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There are 3146 comments on the Examiner.com story from Sep 14, 2013, titled Richard Dawkins - God is evil, pedophilesa not so bad. In it, Examiner.com reports that:

"The God of the Qur'an is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.

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#1373 Dec 9, 2013
Quadratus wrote:
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The Bible calls Jesus Christ the begotten Son. There is a difference between that and the Jewish phrase son of whatever. In Acts, Barnabus was called Son of Consolation. Meaning that he was known for being a very merciful person. It is I believe what Jesus was referring to in Matthew. Jesus however was called begotten, that means natural born, in His case, from God Himself.
In John 3, Jesus referrs to those who believe in Him as becoming born again into Gods family - literally born from above. In this case the Holy Spirit comes into the believer and literally makes them alive spiritually. In reference to this the Bible teaches that we are literally spiritually born into Gods family and as such are sons and daughters of God. But the Bible doesnt say that we are begotten sons like it says of Jesus.
I once asked a christian guy about the son issue, he told me that Jesus is a Son with Big "S" but the others were mentioned in the bible with small "s" , I found out later that ancients hebrew doesnt have such a thing as Big and small letters.

anyways what is the proof that Jesus is the actual son of god ?! is it because he was born without a father ? as far as I know Adam didnt have a father either.

If we were alive at the time of Jesus and we did not know who he was, how would we know that he was sent by God and was The Messiah?

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#1374 Dec 9, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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I once asked a christian guy about the son issue, he told me that Jesus is a Son with Big "S" but the others were mentioned in the bible with small "s" , I found out later that ancients hebrew doesnt have such a thing as Big and small letters.
anyways what is the proof that Jesus is the actual son of god ?! is it because he was born without a father ? as far as I know Adam didnt have a father either.
If we were alive at the time of Jesus and we did not know who he was, how would we know that he was sent by God and was The Messiah?
Good job that the NT was not written an ancient Hebrew then, it blows your implied theory out of the window eh?

Ahh here we have a problem, I have seen his fathers grave stone http://jesusdynasty.com/blog/wp-content/uploa...
Funnily enough the fact that Pantera was the father of the person christians call jesus is documented in ancient Hebrew, in the Tanakh and also corroborated in roman military archives. Pantera was a roman soldier and was punished and sent to Germany for raping a woman (girl) named Mary.(See the coincidence here?). It is quite a long story but I was peripherally involved in compiling the evidence that has since been used in several books on the subject. Try:-

Sara Reinke - Pantera
Robert Eisenman – James, the brother of Christ,
Hyam Maccobys – The Mythmaker,
Danial Underbank – Judas the Galilean: the flesh and blood Jesus
Paul Cresswell – Jesus the Terrorist

There are also several purely fictions book that drew on the same evidence.

If you were alive at the time of Muhammad and we did not know who he was, how would we know that he was a prophet?

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#1375 Dec 9, 2013
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Whether it my choice or Allahs, we will discuss later. First give me your interpretation of the verses I quoted.
I don't see it that way, because I believe that everything happens by god will and happens for a reason, what ever happens to me in this life I know its eventually for my own good if I was Patient and thanked Allah for everything the bad and the good, I think that the philosophy of the Quran states that bad people are usually not guided to Islam, Like the pharaoh of Egypt who claimed to be a god and finally drowned in the sea when he was trying to follow Moses and the believers, if we studied his life carefully we'll find out that he was a hell of an oppressor; he killed so many people, tortured the believers and claimed to be a god, I do also believe that Allah has a wisdom behind everything and everything happens by his will.

Lets assume that I was driving back to home after a very hard day and suddenly faced a problem with my car, I would thank Allah for that, you never know what will happen in the future, maybe if I didn't have this problem I would carry on to die in a car accident or maybe I avoided a Disaster.

you should understand the philosophy of the Quran, prophet Joseph for instance was thrown by his own brothers, was taken by some people later on and eventually was sold to a ruler in Egypt, yet he again was accused of a sexual harassment and spent many years in prison, after all these unpleasant Events, he became the ruler of Egypt, and met his brothers and his father who was patient all those years and kept waiting to meet his son again.

Al Qada'a wal Qadar is a very wide subject, it gives the believers a complete relaxation and a complete trust in god because we know for sure that Allah made a very good plan for us as long as we are following him and abiding his rules.

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#1376 Dec 9, 2013
Igor Trip wrote:
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Yes I get that the deep dark sea is being used as an example of darkness but we're discussing the seas internal waves here and those waves are transparent. They don't stop light penetrating the deep (though they do refract it).
What the verse actually says is “an unfathomable sea which is covered by waves“. Those have to be surface waves.
It then states “upon which are waves”. So that's waves above surface waves not internal waves, just like in a storm.
Actually no there is a specific depth with no light at all, The Encyclopedia Britannica states that oceans and deep seas are mostly covered by thick cumulus clouds, which hinder a large amount of sun light, as shown in satellite pictures. These clouds reflect most sunrays and prevent some of its light; water reflects some of the light that comes to earth and absorbs the rest that gradually decreases with depth. Thus, levels of darkness in the water in a depth of 200 meters are created and darkness reaches its peak below a depth of 1000 meters; no light can be seen at all.
Igor Trip wrote:
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I'm well aware of such creatures (I love nature films) but they aren't mentioned in the verse and so are irrelevant here.
I think you ignored this part " And he to whom Allah has not granted light - for him there is no light."
we believe that Allah created everything so those creatures were created with the best structure with luminous organs that guarantee their life deep down there in the seas and the oceans.

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#1377 Dec 9, 2013
Igor Trip wrote:
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You have more faith in the accuracy of narrators than I have.
I am not asking you to have faith in the accuracy of narrators like me, I Just want you to see the basics of the method they were following.
Mahmood

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#1378 Dec 9, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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I don't see it that way, because I believe that everything happens by god will and happens for a reason, what ever happens to me in this life I know its eventually for my own good if I was Patient and thanked Allah for everything the bad and the good, I think that the philosophy of the Quran states that bad people are usually not guided to Islam, Like the pharaoh of Egypt who claimed to be a god and finally drowned in the sea when he was trying to follow Moses and the believers, if we studied his life carefully we'll find out that he was a hell of an oppressor; he killed so many people, tortured the believers and claimed to be a god, I do also believe that Allah has a wisdom behind everything and everything happens by his will.
Lets assume that I was driving back to home after a very hard day and suddenly faced a problem with my car, I would thank Allah for that, you never know what will happen in the future, maybe if I didn't have this problem I would carry on to die in a car accident or maybe I avoided a Disaster.
you should understand the philosophy of the Quran, prophet Joseph for instance was thrown by his own brothers, was taken by some people later on and eventually was sold to a ruler in Egypt, yet he again was accused of a sexual harassment and spent many years in prison, after all these unpleasant Events, he became the ruler of Egypt, and met his brothers and his father who was patient all those years and kept waiting to meet his son again.
Al Qada'a wal Qadar is a very wide subject, it gives the believers a complete relaxation and a complete trust in god because we know for sure that Allah made a very good plan for us as long as we are following him and abiding his rules.
You still haven't answered my question. I asked you to give me a simple explanation as to your understanding of verses 6:125 & 28:56 and for some reason, you are shying away from it.

According to you bad people are not guided by Islam. What about those who blow up innocent bystanders along with themselves, are they not bad? Those guys are probably more devout muslims then anyone of you & inspired by Islam.
Mahmood

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#1379 Dec 9, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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I am not 100% sure, which is why I omitted a name but Norman Borlaug comes to mind.
Thanks

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#1380 Dec 9, 2013
Igor Trip wrote:
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If we don't know the answer to a question it's best to just admit it. The worst thing to do is just make something up to fill in the gaps in our knowledge.
Religion is the worst offender here though many scientists have been guilty of this as well.
We need some evidence before we can sure of the answers.
and what is exactly the problem with that ?! you and the scientists
are more than welcome to put theories and that will never change the fact that we didn't create the universe nor ourselves.
Igor Trip wrote:
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Religions only encourage science up to the point where science and religion disagree. They're not so enthusiastic after that.
And there are plenty of errors in the Quran.
67:5 And we have,(from of old), adorned the lowest heaven with Lamps, and We have made such (Lamps)(as) missiles to drive away the Evil Ones, and have prepared for them the Penalty of the Blazing Fire.
Stars are used as missiles?
Islam does encourage the science up to the very end, the difference in opinions makes it easier for humans to live together, even in the religion of Islam there is a space for different opinions.

you are wasting your time reading articles for those who claim to find contradictions in the quran while they dont have any knowledge of it, You read the Quran twice and should understand its way, verses may be revealed for multiple reasons, some verses explain a law or a rule and at the same time explain other spiritual things and deliver different benefits, and you should understand that there is always a room in the Quran for future knowledge, as the humans improve and everyday the knowledge gets better and Quran is supposed to be a miracle till the end of days.

2:7 "It is He who has sent down to you,[O Muhammad], the Book; in it are verses [that are] precise - they are the foundation of the Book - and others unspecific. As for those in whose hearts is deviation [from truth], they will follow that of it which is unspecific, seeking discord and seeking an interpretation [suitable to them]. And no one knows its [true] interpretation except Allah . But those firm in knowledge say, "We believe in it. All [of it] is from our Lord." And no one will be reminded except those of understanding."
Igor Trip wrote:
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Quantum physics which basically says the universe is made from bits of energy of a fixed size (the Plank constant) provides all the structure needed.
How much structure would be needed for a God to just exist?
Quantum physics would still have to be found by someone, bits of energy would still need a source of energy, God is beyond our time, place and rules, what is applied to us and our universe cannot be applied to him, he has no end and no beginning, he is the first and he is the last.

what if tables had minds and were capable of thinking ?!
I think they would probably think that its builder is dafinetly a bigger table and is made out of wood, but the tables would be wrong.
same thing goes for humans we think that our creator should have a structure to be built from, and we would probably be wrong.

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#1381 Dec 9, 2013
Mahmood wrote:
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You still haven't answered my question. I asked you to give me a simple explanation as to your understanding of verses 6:125 & 28:56 and for some reason, you are shying away from it.
According to you bad people are not guided by Islam. What about those who blow up innocent bystanders along with themselves, are they not bad? Those guys are probably more devout muslims then anyone of you & inspired by Islam.
I did give you my own explanation and understanding of those verses, I am not shying away, I think its you who is not reading between lines.

I think you are Just going through a hard phase, we all have been there, but unlike you that phase encouraged me to read more about my religion instead of Just stop believing.

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#1382 Dec 9, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Good job that the NT was not written an ancient Hebrew then, it blows your implied theory out of the window eh?
I was not trying to imply a theory, its a true story about a christian's response to me.
ChristineM wrote:
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Ahh here we have a problem, I have seen his fathers grave stone http://jesusdynasty.com/blog/wp-content/uploa...
Funnily enough the fact that Pantera was the father of the person christians call jesus is documented in ancient Hebrew, in the Tanakh and also corroborated in roman military archives. Pantera was a roman soldier and was punished and sent to Germany for raping a woman (girl) named Mary.(See the coincidence here?). It is quite a long story but I was peripherally involved in compiling the evidence that has since been used in several books on the subject. Try:-
Sara Reinke - Pantera
Robert Eisenman – James, the brother of Christ,
Hyam Maccobys – The Mythmaker,
Danial Underbank – Judas the Galilean: the flesh and blood Jesus
Paul Cresswell – Jesus the Terrorist
There are also several purely fictions book that drew on the same evidence.
its really weird that you believe history only when it agrees with your beliefs, you cannot prove that Pantera was the father of Jesus, I think the problem is that you just cannot understand that miracles happen by god's will, maybe because you forgot that the whole universe was brought out of nothing, so it wouldn't be that hard for Allah to create a soul without a father, Didnt he create us the first time ??!
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If you were alive at the time of Muhammad and we did not know who he was, how would we know that he was a prophet?
by his miracle the Quran, This book is a miracle for numerous reasons, such as :

1.Scientific facts:

It contains scientific facts for example:
-Embryology (Qur'an 23:12-14)
-The Big Bang Theory (“don’t the unbelievers see that the heavens and earth were joined together as one united piece then We parted them?”(21:30))
-Expanding universe
-Construction of mountains
-Pain receptors for burning in the skin
-The position of the stars
- The water cycle

2.Muhammad was unlettered

3.It has remained unchanged:

The book has remained unchanged for 1400 years- see for yourself in the British Library.“It is We who have sent down the Dhikr and surely We will preserve it”(The Qur’an 15:9)

4.Easy to memorize:
The book is easy to memorize that millions of people have done so all over the world even though it’s about the size of a paperback.“…made easy to remember”(44:58).

5. Changes people
The words in the Qur’an have the great effect of changing people’s lives.

6. Unique style
It is written in the Arabic language. Its style is unique and cannot be copied.

7. Contains a challenge:
God says that if all of mankind and jinn-kind (i.e. spirits) got together they couldn’t produce a book like it. In another part of the Qur’an, God says that they couldn’t even produce one Surah like it, The shortest Surah is only three sentences.

8. Does not contain a single contradiction.

there are 114 chapters in the Quran, just choose a random chapter and a random verse number and we'll see what verse you'll get,
consider it as a game, what is your favorite number ?

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#1383 Dec 9, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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Actually no there is a specific depth with no light at all, The Encyclopedia Britannica states that oceans and deep seas are mostly covered by thick cumulus clouds, which hinder a large amount of sun light, as shown in satellite pictures. These clouds reflect most sunrays and prevent some of its light; water reflects some of the light that comes to earth and absorbs the rest that gradually decreases with depth. Thus, levels of darkness in the water in a depth of 200 meters are created and darkness reaches its peak below a depth of 1000 meters; no light can be seen at all.
I've never disputed the deep sea is dark, I've only disputed whether internal waves can be referred to as a layer of darkness. If they can't then the verse can't be referring to them as you claimed.
hazem selawi wrote:
I think you ignored this part " And he to whom Allah has not granted light - for him there is no light."
we believe that Allah created everything so those creatures were created with the best structure with luminous organs that guarantee their life deep down there in the seas and the oceans.
If the Quran is saying the deep sea is dark then it can't be referring to luminous creatures in its depths can it?

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#1384 Dec 9, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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and what is exactly the problem with that ?! you and the scientists are more than welcome to put theories and that will never change the fact that we didn't create the universe nor ourselves.
Has anybody ever claimed we did create the universe?
Why this universe exists is still unknown. Just proclaiming a God did it is not the way to find the truth.
hazem selawi wrote:
Islam does encourage the science up to the very end, the difference in opinions makes it easier for humans to live together, even in the religion of Islam there is a space for different opinions.
you are wasting your time reading articles for those who claim to find contradictions in the quran while they dont have any knowledge of it, You read the Quran twice and should understand its way, verses may be revealed for multiple reasons, some verses explain a law or a rule and at the same time explain other spiritual things and deliver different benefits, and you should understand that there is always a room in the Quran for future knowledge, as the humans improve and everyday the knowledge gets better and Quran is supposed to be a miracle till the end of days.
2:7 "It is He who has sent down to you,[O Muhammad], the Book; in it are verses [that are] precise - they are the foundation of the Book - and others unspecific. As for those in whose hearts is deviation [from truth], they will follow that of it which is unspecific, seeking discord and seeking an interpretation [suitable to them]. And no one knows its [true] interpretation except Allah . But those firm in knowledge say, "We believe in it. All [of it] is from our Lord." And no one will be reminded except those of understanding."
So stars are used as missiles against evil ones then?
hazem selawi wrote:
Quantum physics would still have to be found by someone, bits of energy would still need a source of energy, God is beyond our time, place and rules, what is applied to us and our universe cannot be applied to him, he has no end and no beginning, he is the first and he is the last.
what if tables had minds and were capable of thinking ?!
I think they would probably think that its builder is dafinetly a bigger table and is made out of wood, but the tables would be wrong.
same thing goes for humans we think that our creator should have a structure to be built from, and we would probably be wrong.
The idea that God doesn't need explaining but the universe does is just absurd.
God is not nothing, he's a something. So yes he does need explaining.

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#1385 Dec 9, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
by his miracle the Quran, This book is a miracle for numerous reasons, such as :

1.Scientific facts:

It contains scientific facts for example:
-Embryology (Qur'an 23:12-14)
-The Big Bang Theory (“don’t the unbelievers see that the heavens and earth were joined together as one united piece then We parted them?”(21:30))
-Expanding universe
-Construction of mountains
-Pain receptors for burning in the skin
-The position of the stars
- The water cycle
You're kidding right?

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#1386 Dec 9, 2013
Igor Trip wrote:
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If the Quran is saying the deep sea is dark then it can't be referring to luminous creatures in its depths can it?
and what do you think the Quran is referring to
" And he to whom Allah has not granted light - for him there is no light." ??

In my language the meaning of the verse is pretty obvious, maybe you should check different translations

http://www.alquranverse.com/24/40/Yusuf_Ali

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#1387 Dec 9, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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and what do you think the Quran is referring to
" And he to whom Allah has not granted light - for him there is no light." ??
In my language the meaning of the verse is pretty obvious, maybe you should check different translations
http://www.alquranverse.com/24/40/Yusuf_Ali
The verse is about your God choosing who he will guide into the light and who he will leave in darkness.

So what's that got to do with the next part of your post:
“we believe that Allah created everything so those creatures were created with the best structure with luminous organs that guarantee their life deep down there in the seas and the oceans.“?

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#1388 Dec 9, 2013
Igor Trip wrote:
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Has anybody ever claimed we did create the universe?
Why this universe exists is still unknown. Just proclaiming a God did it is not the way to find the truth.

So stars are used as missiles against evil ones then?
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The idea that God doesn't need explaining but the universe does is just absurd.
God is not nothing, he's a something. So yes he does need explaining.
of course we should try to explain god, but I think we'll never succeed, if we succeeded then that means God can be measured by humans thus God would be limited, if he was limited he would have a beginning and an end and that would make him a creature just like us , then we would need another creator who created god, we'll be running in circles, and again another god.
that's why Allah says
112
Say, "He is Allah ,[who is] One,
Allah , the Eternal Refuge.
He neither begets nor is born,
Nor is there to Him any equivalent."

57:3
"He is the First and the Last, the Ascendant and the Intimate, and He is, of all things, Knowing."
Thinking

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#1389 Dec 9, 2013
It would say that, wouldn't it?
It's scripture.
Did you expect it to say "allah/god is sh!t"?
hazem selawi wrote:
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of course we should try to explain god, but I think we'll never succeed, if we succeeded then that means God can be measured by humans thus God would be limited, if he was limited he would have a beginning and an end and that would make him a creature just like us , then we would need another creator who created god, we'll be running in circles, and again another god.
that's why Allah says
112
Say, "He is Allah ,[who is] One,
Allah , the Eternal Refuge.
He neither begets nor is born,
Nor is there to Him any equivalent."
57:3
"He is the First and the Last, the Ascendant and the Intimate, and He is, of all things, Knowing."

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#1390 Dec 9, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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of course we should try to explain god, but I think we'll never succeed, if we succeeded then that means God can be measured by humans thus God would be limited, if he was limited he would have a beginning and an end and that would make him a creature just like us , then we would need another creator who created god, we'll be running in circles, and again another god.
that's why Allah says
112
Say, "He is Allah ,[who is] One,
Allah , the Eternal Refuge.
He neither begets nor is born,
Nor is there to Him any equivalent."
57:3
"He is the First and the Last, the Ascendant and the Intimate, and He is, of all things, Knowing."
Or there could have been some other cause of the universe.

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#1391 Dec 9, 2013
Igor Trip wrote:
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The verse is about your God choosing who he will guide into the light and who he will leave in darkness.
So what's that got to do with the next part of your post:
“we believe that Allah created everything so those creatures were created with the best structure with luminous organs that guarantee their life deep down there in the seas and the oceans.“?
I meant the Quranic Verses carry more than one meaning, Allah chooses who he will guide into the light and who he will leave in a darkness, its a metaphor about those who disbelieve, if we take a look at the previous verse

24:39 "As for those who disbelieve, their deeds are like a mirage in the desert which the thirsty takes for water till he reaches it to find that there was nothing, and finds God with him who settles his account, for God is swift at the reckoning."
and then continues saying 24:40 "Or (the Unbelievers´ state) is like the depths of darkness in a vast deep ocean "

So we have 2 metaphors ; the first one is those who disbelieve their deeds are like a mirage in the desert , the second one is the Likening between the disbelievers deeds and the depths of darkness in a vast deep ocean but the second verse is obviously paying attention to an exception 24:40 "For him whom God does not give any light, there is no light. " so its like saying the depths of darkness in a vast deep ocean is really dark BUT for whom god didn't give any light, So what about those whom god gave light ?!!

anyways the next verse continues to confirm the fact 24:41 " Hast thou not seen that Allah, He it is Whom all who are in the heavens and the earth praise, and the birds in their flight? Of each He knoweth verily the worship and the praise; and Allah is Aware of what they do. "

so according to Quran whom all who are in the heavens and the earth praise Allah, thus those creatures down deep the seas and oceans praise to Allah So they are not like disbelievers, they are dafinetly believers and praise, and they are among those whom Allah gave light literally and metaphorically.

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#1392 Dec 10, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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I was not trying to imply a theory,…
Implying a theory if the facts are wrong is not such a good idea

Who the hell do you think you are talking to here? Some dumbo godbot who believes in a myth with no COROBORATING evidence because his parents believed in a myth? Grow up.

I believe history when there is COROBORATING evidence. Actually yes I can show the corroborating evidence from 3 independent sources (one of them the very book that your Quran was ‘selectively’ cloned from) that Pantera was the father by rape of the child of Mary who people call Jesus.

I have no need to understand that magic happens because magic does not happen and also I have no need to belive in gods (any of the 3700+ gods) because there is no indication, no evidence, no sighting, no nothing, absolutely nothing to show that gods exists.

Ahh now you are getting somewhere, please advise what your god stood on? Or how you think the universe was born out of nothing? One argument is that the laws of thermodynamics don’t apply to gods, if that is so then gods cannot exists in this universe. Or could it be that that he stood on nothing while he magiced it all out of nothing. Jeez… and you call yourself a thinking man? FYI, there is nothing in quantum science that prevents the universe from spontaneously creating out of nothing, there are at least 27 different and valid scientific theories that can be calculated mathematically of how it happened and not one includes god did it with magic.

1. Embryology plagiarised from ancient Greece and still wrong in so many ways right through initial development to the viability of the foetus and birth

The Big bang, how it developed from 10E-34 of a second (that’s tiny) is known. Prior to that time the very laws that allows things to happen not exists therefore no one can claim to know what happened prior to that time. Anyone who does lay claim to such knowledge is guessing.

Expanding universe, Surely the Quran speaks about an oscillating universe or did you conveniently forget the bounce and do it all over again?

Mountains? Pegs? Placed so the earth will not shake? And you claim this as scientific fact - here are a few instances that prove that idea wrong http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_21st-cen...

Ahh trust a muslim to know how to cause pain. Funny how humans and animals alike have ALWAYS felt pain when burned. This has been known long before even the Tanakh was begun, it’s nothing special in the quran

Stars – it’s called observation. Certainly ancient Mesopotanians had an inkling of astronomy, Stone age peoples of Northern Europe knew not only star positions but seasonal changes of those stars. Again it’s nothing special in the quran.

Water Circle, Partly right, partly wrong and like the quaranic view of embryology missing several basic facts.

2 What does unlettered mean in this context, that he had no name? That he was not a sir or a lord? Was not educated? Most religions are based on similar people. Who gives a damn?

3 Should you be congratulated for having a god book that has not kept up with the times?

4 And other people have better, more productive, more humanitarian things to do with their lives than remember 1400 years old hatreds

5 It’s called indoctrination. Unless you consider the people of 9/11, 7/7, Westgate etc then the quran changes the victims lives in ways that are not welcome.

6, of course it can be copied, snipets and verses and whole books have been copied into the Internet for example. There is also the fact that the entire muslin peoples turn against anyone who attempts to make a document in it’s style. Don’t know about you but I am partial to not being beheaded.

7 spirits don’t exist, and there are god books a plenty.

8 Been there and shown you several contradictions, you seem to ignore them for some reason

Ok how about Surah 8:13-17 or 2:282 or 4:11 or 4:24 and my favourite 4:34

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