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"The God of the Qur'an is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.

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“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#1313 Dec 6, 2013
Thinking wrote:
In fact you can ask a believer why they care so much. After losing a boss fight, their dead babies still go onto level 2 or level infinity depending on your religion.
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I really cannot understand the godbot attitude to a new-born death, it seems they say something along the lines of:-

It’s ok if my child dies because they will go to heaven because I have said I am born again and that makes up for all the misery of loosing a child and they will go to heaven because I said I believe. But if someone who does not believe exactly in my cult beliefs has a child who dies then that child will go to … whatever their cult believes.

It really is quite sad to know that religions washes out all the humanity they possessed before getting brainwashed
Thinking

Merthyr Tydfil, UK

#1314 Dec 6, 2013
If only they knew of an all powerful deity that could treat all babies compassionately.
ChristineM wrote:
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I really cannot understand the godbot attitude to a new-born death, it seems they say something along the lines of:-
It’s ok if my child dies because they will go to heaven because I have said I am born again and that makes up for all the misery of loosing a child and they will go to heaven because I said I believe. But if someone who does not believe exactly in my cult beliefs has a child who dies then that child will go to … whatever their cult believes.
It really is quite sad to know that religions washes out all the humanity they possessed before getting brainwashed

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#1315 Dec 6, 2013
Thinking wrote:
If only they knew of an all powerful deity that could treat all babies compassionately.
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If is perhaps the biggest word of all
LCNLin

United States

#1316 Dec 6, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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There are over 2400 gods that their followers have claimed exactly the same thing so I ask again which of that 2400?
You have posted this many times before.
We are disappointed that you have Not Named the first 500.

Would you please, take time from your valuable day,
and name the first 500 Gods?

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#1317 Dec 6, 2013
LCNLin wrote:
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You have posted this many times before.
We are disappointed that you have Not Named the first 500.
Would you please, take time from your valuable day,
and name the first 500 Gods?
Never mind 500, here are a few thousand…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_deities
LCNLin

United States

#1318 Dec 6, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Never mind 500, here are a few thousand…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_deities
Many thanks....

Do you have any favourites?

Since: Oct 13

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#1319 Dec 6, 2013
Igor Trip wrote:
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No, hadith scientists have to guess which hadiths are reliable because they weren't written down until over a hundred years after the events they describe and they all rely on a chain of narrators. Thus there's plenty of room for errors, embellishments or even frauds (and some Muslims were accused of inventing hadiths).
Hadith scientists cannot guess, yes there is a room for fraud and errors and we do have thousands of weak and false Hadiths, thats why Hadiths were classified into many categories, we only take the good and authentic Hadiths, if you want to know more about al Hadith science check this website http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Hadith/Ulum/

Igor Trip wrote:
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And I've shown that those claims for scientific miracles are either weak or false.
you never responded to the inner waves in the seas and oceans subject.
Igor Trip wrote:
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Whilst science can't yet explain why there is a universe, just inserting a God solves nothing as you now need to explain why there's a God and that's just a big a problem as the unexplained existence of the universe.
And your God still has an ego problem.
it seems like you and the Quran finally agree on something

18:51 "I did not make them witness to the creation of the heavens and the earth or to the creation of themselves, and I would not have taken the misguiders as assistants. "

Allah says that he didnt make us witness the creation of the universe or the creation of ourselves, so now its up to the mankind and scientists to look for clues and evidences, the Quran in numerous verses encourage us to seek for knowledge.

Allah doesnt have an ego problem, he is perfect, he is beyond time and place, he created the rules that guarantee our life on this planet .

17:70 "And We have certainly honored the children of Adam and carried them on the land and sea and provided for them of the good things and preferred them over much of what We have created, with [definite] preference."

Allah doesn't literally carry us on the land and the sea, he created all the physical rules, so when a scientist invent something he actually discovers what goes along with the rules Allah created.

Abbas Ibn Firna was the first man who ever thought of flying, he succeeded way before wright brothers, he always thought of a verse in Quran which is 67:19 "Do they not see the birds above them with wings outspread and [sometimes] folded in? None holds them [aloft] except the Most Merciful. Indeed He is, of all things, Seeing. "

he attached a couple of wings to his body and covered himself with feathers and jumped , he flew a considerable distance but after that fell down and hurt his back because he forgot to put a tale for landing, so no matter how much we improve our lives; we as humans by a way or another use the rules he created within our world, our cars, our planes, our homes and everything, we wouldnt be able to live unless we had those rules and laws created by god to give us the ability to invent and improve our lives.

there is a story about a man at the day of judgment who made a lot of good deeds within his life, Allah asks him if he is going to heaven ?! will he enter the heaven because of his good deeds or because of Allah's mercy, the man said I will go to heaven because of my good deeds, Allah said I will only withdraw one of my blessings to you which is the bless of seeing...!! most of his good deeds vanished because without this bless he would never be able to do most of those good deeds, he again said Allah you are merciful and i will only enter heaven because of your mercy.
thus thats not ego , thats god the creator who is above everything the one we need and could never live without his mercy, he also gave humans the privilege to choose over all other creatures.

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#1320 Dec 6, 2013
Igor Trip wrote:
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You are aware that surah 18 was a test don't you?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Kahf#Circumst...
“The rabbis told the men to ask Muhammad three questions:
They [the rabbis] said, "Ask him about three things which we will tell you to ask, and if he answers them then he is a Prophet who has been sent; if he does not, then he is saying things that are not true, in which case how you will deal with him will be up to you. Ask him about some young men in ancient times, what was their story For theirs is a strange and wondrous tale. Ask him about a man who travelled a great deal and reached the east and the west of the earth. What was his story And ask him about the Ruh (soul or spirit)– what is it? If he tells you about these things, then he is a Prophet, so follow him, but if he does not tell you, then he is a man who is making things up, so deal with him as you see fit."[7]”
Presumably the rabbis asked questions they thought they knew the answers too, so we just need to ask them (and they think Thul Qarnayn was Alexander the Great).
some parts of Surat al Kahf were revealed to answer Rabbis questions but not all of it, surat al Kahf contains 110 verses and covers so many aspects and subjects beside the answers of these 3 questions.

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#1321 Dec 6, 2013
Mahmood wrote:
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How many times do I have to tell you that I do not have a religion. Dont put words in my mouth.
I meant your new beliefs

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#1322 Dec 6, 2013
Mahmood wrote:
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If there is a creator and he happens to be Allah, then he is unjust. He is Rehman and Rahim only on his own terms. The world is full of suffering and misery. If a god is all-loving, merciful, kind, compassionate and the like, how can he tolerate pain, misery and arbitrary suffering, independent of the merits of the sufferer? If you questions do not make sense, I have counter-question.
if you are referring to bad people actions, I already showed you how Islam offers prevention of such actions and punishments to guarantee a fair life to all people, and if you are referring to Natural disasters I think its Allah the creator reminds us that this life is only a temporary life and that we cannot have an immortal life except at the hereafter, Sometimes natural disasters may be a Punishment from God for those people who continuously break all the rules which Alah made it clear not to, we have so many examples in the quran about such nations and tribes.

Your Lord is Forgiver, full o f Mercy. If He were to take them to task, for what they earn, He would hasten on the doom for them; but they have an appointed term from which they will find no escape. And those townships! We destroyed them when they did wrong, and We appointed a fixed time for their destruction.(Surah al-Kahf, 18:58-59)

Messengers indeed have been denied before you, but they were patient under the denial and prosecution till Our help reached them. There is none to alter the words of Allah (the conditions of His promises). Already there have reached you some reports about the Messengers.(Surah al-An'am, 6:34)

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#1323 Dec 6, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Ehm, as I remember I agreed with you about the inhuman treatment of Palestinians, and only in some of the relevance of history did we disagree.
yes we did agree on this specific subject,Finally ..!!
ChristineM wrote:
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It is not up to me so solve the problems of the world, that is the job of diplomats and politicians. However I can recommend one suggestion made by Edward de Bono, he originated the term lateral thinking and takes the problems of the middle east very seriously.
His thinking was
1 - There is much strife, anger and aggression in the middle east
2 – Lack of zinc in the body is known to increase strife, anger and aggression
3 – Most civilisations get adequate zinc from the staple food, bread however the bread made in the middle east is low in zinc
Solution, send Marmite, rich in zinc.
Oh sorry, was it me or was it you who came on this thread evangelising the cause of Islam. Just give me a moment to think. OK, I’ve got it, it was …..
There will never be a perfect world while minority groups turn terrorist and kill people indiscriminately. It seems for your previous posts that you advocate terrorism. I have been a victim of terrorism (no, not muslim terrorism but christian, however besides the point, an indiscriminate terrorist killer is still a killer no matter what his faith) so as you say we will never agree.
Thank you for the outstanding solution, I guess if we just increased the zinc in our bread we'll be fine, anyways our original conversation focused on finding solution to all world problems, I never mentioned problems of middle east.

I wonder what did diplomats and politicians offered so far to solve problems like the Global Economy, Proliferation of weapons of mass destruction, poverty, Species Extinction, the high rate of crimes,
and the list goes on.

most people think that Islam is only a religion that offers solutions On a personal level while there are numerous teachings to guarantee a perfect life even for animals and trees ..!!
Islam isnt only a religion; it a complete code of life.

When we read the Quran or the Prophetic traditions, we find instructions regarding all aspects of life: political, social, economic, material, ethical, national and international. These instructions provide us with all the details needed to perform a certain act.

I know its not your job to find solution but I am sure that you care about your fellow humans.
Quadratus

Enumclaw, WA

#1324 Dec 6, 2013
Thinking wrote:
In fact you can ask a believer why they care so much. After losing a boss fight, their dead babies still go onto level 2 or level infinity depending on your religion.
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We care - same as you. According to our beliefs the death of a baby means he or she is in Heaven in the presence of their Creator. We believe they are in a better place - but they are gone and we miss them. When my son almost died from burst appendix, I told him before he went into surgery to trust Jesus and he said he was. I believed he would go to heaven with all my heart. Yet I was ripped apart with agony at the thought of losing him. This is one of the more stupid conversations on topix right now.
Quadratus

Enumclaw, WA

#1325 Dec 6, 2013
Mahmood wrote:
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Bloody bronze age dogmas. Stories that didn't happen can be infinitely more powerful than stories that did happen. The is no key to unlock oral traditions.
He that will not reason is a bigot, he that cannot reason is a fool, he that dares not to reason is a slave - William Drummond.
You asked I answered.
It seems to me that there is an emotional need in people to worship God or gods. The fact that you dont feel the need does not negate its existence in the overwhelming majority of people on this planet.
To me it seems deeper than learned behavior - more along the lines of instinct.
An instinct planted in our genome to seek our God.
Thinking

Merthyr Tydfil, UK

#1326 Dec 7, 2013
I've helped a few friends through bereavements and believers cope just as badly as non-believers.

This is why I know religion is a crock.
Quadratus wrote:
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We care - same as you. According to our beliefs the death of a baby means he or she is in Heaven in the presence of their Creator. We believe they are in a better place - but they are gone and we miss them. When my son almost died from burst appendix, I told him before he went into surgery to trust Jesus and he said he was. I believed he would go to heaven with all my heart. Yet I was ripped apart with agony at the thought of losing him. This is one of the more stupid conversations on topix right now.
LCNLin

United States

#1327 Dec 7, 2013
"I've helped a few friends through bereavements and believers cope just as badly as non-believers."-thinking-

It is a credit to you that you helped others as many atheist do.

"This is why I know religion is a crock." -thinking-

Your first statement does not
lead logically to your second.

Point?

Have a good day
Mahmood

Keswick, Canada

#1328 Dec 7, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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if you are referring to bad people actions, I already showed you how Islam offers prevention of such actions and punishments to guarantee a fair life to all people, and if you are referring to Natural disasters I think its Allah the creator reminds us that this life is only a temporary life and that we cannot have an immortal life except at the hereafter, Sometimes natural disasters may be a Punishment from God for those people who continuously break all the rules which Alah made it clear not to, we have so many examples in the quran about such nations and tribes.
Your Lord is Forgiver, full o f Mercy. If He were to take them to task, for what they earn, He would hasten on the doom for them; but they have an appointed term from which they will find no escape. And those townships! We destroyed them when they did wrong, and We appointed a fixed time for their destruction.(Surah al-Kahf, 18:58-59)
Messengers indeed have been denied before you, but they were patient under the denial and prosecution till Our help reached them. There is none to alter the words of Allah (the conditions of His promises). Already there have reached you some reports about the Messengers.(Surah al-An'am, 6:34)
Bad actions are done by Allah's will. If allah created me with the foreknowledge that I would be an evil person, then it is his fault for creating me at all.

Islam prevented nothing. The world isn't a better place because of Islam? In fact Islam led to bloodshed in a much larger scale. Islam is a militant doctrine. Its a religion of peace only on its own terms. If Islamic history is believable, Mohammad was a consumate general with an expansionist agenda even at the expense of human lives. And people like you refer to him as Rasool Allah, shame on you. Most of his wars were not defensive, you want to talk about it?

As for natural disasters, this life in the hereafter is self consoling illusion. What I do know for sure is that our bodies turn to dust and bones when we die. Hatred of intelligence and knowledge, the requirement to obey rather than think, the role licit/illicit, pure/impure & eliciting obedience and submission rather than thinking for ourselves is what Islam is about.

The Koran tells us "those who resist God and His Apostle will be among those most humiliated" - 58:20

Islam is basically a religon of victory. 48:28 says "It is he who has sent his messenger with guidance and the religion of truth, to proclaim it over all religion....".

When you read into the Koran, it becomes clear that Allah is Mohammad's alter ego:

48:17 tells us "If you obey God and HIS Apostle, you will be admitted to paradise..." This is a classic example of mind control in order to enhance his cult.

Looking foward to your response.

Since: Oct 13

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#1329 Dec 7, 2013
Mahmood wrote:
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Bad actions are done by Allah's will. If allah created me with the foreknowledge that I would be an evil person, then it is his fault for creating me at all.
you have to put aside Allah's foreknowledge that anyone would be an evil person, and admit that its us who choose to do bad or good, So you cannot go and kill someone and simply say I killed because Allah knew that I would kill, its you who killed by your complete choice, its you who decided to do this and that and you never will be able to know what was written for you anyways, so you cannot take that as an excuse, everyone stands responsible for his own actions, not to mention that Duaa and prayers may change your Destiny.
Mahmood wrote:
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Islam prevented nothing. The world isn't a better place because of Islam? In fact Islam led to bloodshed in a much larger scale. Islam is a militant doctrine. Its a religion of peace only on its own terms.
for the million time I don't discuss people actions , some people take advantage of Islam to justify their own actions, I only care about the authentic teachings of Quran and Mohammed thats it...!!!
Mahmood wrote:
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If Islamic history is believable, Mohammad was a consumate general with an expansionist agenda even at the expense of human lives. And people like you refer to him as Rasool Allah, shame on you. Most of his wars were not defensive, you want to talk about it?
yes he is rasool Allah, he is also for me and for hundreds of millions of Muslims the best man ever walked on this earth, and yes there is an expansionist agenda for Islam, the purpose of this agenda is to spread justice but you are too blind to see the truth of it.
Mahmood wrote:
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As for natural disasters, this life in the hereafter is self consoling illusion. What I do know for sure is that our bodies turn to dust and bones when we die.
thats exactly what people of Quraysh said.
36:78 "And he presents for Us an example and forgets his [own] creation. He says, "Who will give life to bones while they are disintegrated?"

Allah "Say, "He will give them life who produced them the first time; and He is, of all creation, Knowing."

36:81 "Is not He who created the heavens and the earth Able to create the likes of them? Yes,[it is so]; and He is the Knowing Creator. "
Mahmood wrote:
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Hatred of intelligence and knowledge, the requirement to obey rather than think, the role licit/illicit, pure/impure & eliciting obedience and submission rather than thinking for ourselves is what Islam is about.
actually no, Islam is the exact opposite, its all about free well, Islam only shows you the right path and the wrong path and the consequences of each path, after that it would up to you to choose.

8:21 "So remind,[O Muhammad]; you are only a reminder. "
8:22 "You are not over them a controller. "

Islam is a message to deliver the good news and the warnings.
Mahmood wrote:
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The Koran tells us "those who resist God and His Apostle will
Islam is basically a religon of victory. 48:28 says "It is he who has sent his messenger with guidance and the religion of truth, to proclaim it over all religion....".
Yes of course the true message of Allah will be proclaimed over all religion, the victory will be for Islam whether you liked it or not, Mahmoud you have to bare in mind that the Quran affect different types of people, some people will never see the right path unless they read the torture,fear,regret, hell and fire verses , other people are strongly affected by rewards, paradise and heaven, there is a physiological wisdom behind all these verses.
if you counted the verses about hell and verses about heaven you'll find out that the verses are completely equal, Allah is clearly showing us that there are two ways in this life and its up to us to choose.
Quadratus

United States

#1330 Dec 7, 2013
Thinking wrote:
I've helped a few friends through bereavements and believers cope just as badly as non-believers.
This is why I know religion is a crock.
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When my mom died of cancer two decades ago, I was faced with the doubt riddled belief I would see her again, contrasted with the reality that she was gone.
I had a kind of faith, but one that had been heavily influenced by humanists. Its like the time when the outspoken agnostic Samuel Clemens,(Mark
Twain) child died. His wife, a Christian, and he grieved bitterly. Samuel asked his wife why she was so upset. "Where is your faith?" He questioned. Her answer was simply, "You destroyed it."
My faith wasnt destroyed, but I was very surprised how fragile it was. How little comfort it provided. That spurred me to reexamine it. And the result was a certainty of the truth of Jesus Christ.
I think there are many Christians whose faith has been shot full of holes by secular media, and that is why they seem to have little strength to face trials.
I suspect that if the average Christian were to be transported back 150 years, and he freely discussed his beliefs, he would be considered close to agnostic by the Christians of that era.
Thinking

Merthyr Tydfil, UK

#1331 Dec 7, 2013
If we hadn't lost a thousand years of progress in the christian imposed Dark Ages I wouldn't have lost people to cancer either.
Quadratus wrote:
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When my mom died of cancer two decades ago, I was faced with the doubt riddled belief I would see her again, contrasted with the reality that she was gone.
I had a kind of faith, but one that had been heavily influenced by humanists. Its like the time when the outspoken agnostic Samuel Clemens,(Mark
Twain) child died. His wife, a Christian, and he grieved bitterly. Samuel asked his wife why she was so upset. "Where is your faith?" He questioned. Her answer was simply, "You destroyed it."
My faith wasnt destroyed, but I was very surprised how fragile it was. How little comfort it provided. That spurred me to reexamine it. And the result was a certainty of the truth of Jesus Christ.
I think there are many Christians whose faith has been shot full of holes by secular media, and that is why they seem to have little strength to face trials.
I suspect that if the average Christian were to be transported back 150 years, and he freely discussed his beliefs, he would be considered close to agnostic by the Christians of that era.
Quadratus

United States

#1332 Dec 7, 2013
Thinking wrote:
If we hadn't lost a thousand years of progress in the christian imposed Dark Ages I wouldn't have lost people to cancer either.
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Agreed -
If you are using the term Christian in a loose manner.
I would say a thousand years of Catholic imposed dark ages.
My heritage is not Catholic , but new birth theology Christian. When Constantine assumed headship over the church it split it into two camps, the legitimate and illegitimate church. The illegitimate church was forced underground and hunted and persecuted by the inquistion.
As the Catholic church grew in power, it attracted young upwardly mobile ambitious men into its ranks. Not because they sought God, but because they sought advancement.
And in the name of God they sought to control and expand their kingdoms - in exactly the same way they would have done it anyway had they been born to power.
Im sorry for your loss. I hate cancer. I lost my mom when I was eight, my stepmom at 30.

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