Richard Dawkins - God is evil, pedophilesa not so bad

There are 20 comments on the Sep 14, 2013, Examiner.com story titled Richard Dawkins - God is evil, pedophilesa not so bad. In it, Examiner.com reports that:

"The God of the Qur'an is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.

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#1267 Dec 4, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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No brainer, how many people have died saying I believe? And how many still die in child birth?
Methinks statistics tell the storey here.
You either didn't fully read, or you did not comprehend the question Pascal was asking.

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#1268 Dec 4, 2013
NinaRocks wrote:
What is more difficult, to be born or to rise again; that what has never been should be, or that what has been should be again?
Blaise Pascal
If I may answer, I think that both are equally difficult for mere-mortals like us, but equally easy for god.

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#1269 Dec 4, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
99% of guys I knew and still know are like that and may be even worse , and thats Jordan-Middle east
You call Jordon "free country"?(perhaps in relation to Saudi)

If that if how 99% of guys think (quoting from your post: "99% of guys I knew my entire life talk to girls with the intention to get laid and that's it"), wouldn't it be an empirical proof that Islam does nothing to make people moral? It isn't just an Arab issue, the country where I come from also has this statistic that the most Islamic of all states has the highest Porn-surfing rate on internet:

http://www.topix.com/forum/tr/istanbul/TKAEKS...

http://mymalaysia.wordpress.com/2006/12/11/is...

And this report from the birth place of Islam does not help a bit:

http://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2013/07/1...
LCNLin

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#1270 Dec 4, 2013
Rusty Tin Can wrote:
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You call Jordon "free country"?(perhaps in relation to Saudi)
If that if how 99% of guys think (quoting from your post: "99% of guys I knew my entire life talk to girls with the intention to get laid and that's it"), wouldn't it be an empirical proof that Islam does nothing to make people moral? It isn't just an Arab issue, the country where I come from also has this statistic that the most Islamic of all states has the highest Porn-surfing rate on internet:
http://www.topix.com/forum/tr/istanbul/TKAEKS...
http://mymalaysia.wordpress.com/2006/12/11/is...
And this report from the birth place of Islam does not help a bit:
http://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2013/07/1...
An excellent post !

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#1271 Dec 4, 2013
Rusty Tin Can wrote:
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If I may answer, I think that both are equally difficult for mere-mortals like us, but equally easy for god.
I think the point is that it would seem easier for something that already is to be remade than for something to come into being from nothing at all.

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#1272 Dec 4, 2013
LCNLin wrote:
An excellent post !
Bob would probably agree this time?

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#1273 Dec 4, 2013
NinaRocks wrote:
I think the point is that it would seem easier for something that already is to be remade than for something to come into being from nothing at all.
I think that was Pascal's point as well, I just looked up the complete quote:

"What reason have they for saying that we cannot rise from the dead? What is more difficult, to be born or to rise again; that what has never been should be, or that what has been should be again? Is it more difficult to come into existence than to return to it? Habit makes the one appear easy to us; want of habit makes the other impossible. A popular way of thinking!"

http://dailychristianquote.com/dcqfaith5.html

However, humanly thinking, they are both "impossible" to achieve by human alone - so they are equally difficult.

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#1274 Dec 4, 2013
Rusty Tin Can wrote:
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I think that was Pascal's point as well, I just looked up the complete quote:
"What reason have they for saying that we cannot rise from the dead? What is more difficult, to be born or to rise again; that what has never been should be, or that what has been should be again? Is it more difficult to come into existence than to return to it? Habit makes the one appear easy to us; want of habit makes the other impossible. A popular way of thinking!"
http://dailychristianquote.com/dcqfaith5.html
However, humanly thinking, they are both "impossible" to achieve by human alone - so they are equally difficult.
True. This is one of my favorite quotes.
Quadratus

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#1275 Dec 4, 2013
Rusty Tin Can wrote:
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I think that was Pascal's point as well, I just looked up the complete quote:
"What reason have they for saying that we cannot rise from the dead? What is more difficult, to be born or to rise again; that what has never been should be, or that what has been should be again? Is it more difficult to come into existence than to return to it? Habit makes the one appear easy to us; want of habit makes the other impossible. A
popular way of thinking!"
http://dailychristianquote.com/dcqfaith5.html
However, humanly thinking, they are both "impossible" to achieve by human alone - so they are equally difficult.
I think he was saying the liklihood of the resurrection is no less than that of life arising in the first place.

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#1276 Dec 4, 2013
Rusty Tin Can wrote:
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You call Jordon "free country"?(perhaps in relation to Saudi)
If that if how 99% of guys think (quoting from your post: "99% of guys I knew my entire life talk to girls with the intention to get laid and that's it"), wouldn't it be an empirical proof that Islam does nothing to make people moral? It isn't just an Arab issue,
No that of course wouldn't be a proof that Islam does nothing to make people moral, Islam has so many teachings, rules and laws, its all connected like one piece , it starts by teachings people morals and Stimulate its followers to do good deeds in different aspects of life; that would be the prevention method from any problem in the community, after prevention we need laws and punishments to guarantee a perfect community, The problem of my country and apparently yours is that they are not applying Sharia law, Islam covers The cultural, educational, economical and social aspects, its a way of life, so you cannot say Islam fails when you only apply less than 10% of it...!!
Rusty Tin Can wrote:
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the country where I come from also has this statistic that the most Islamic of all states has the highest Porn-surfing rate on internet:
http://www.topix.com/forum/tr/istanbul/TKAEKS...
http://mymalaysia.wordpress.com/2006/12/11/is...
And this report from the birth place of Islam does not help a bit:
http://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2013/07/1...
Although these statistics cannot be proved, I think its logical since a lot of Muslims forgot about the obvious and clear teachings of their religion and decided to follow their desires,

"If he whose character and deen (practice of religion) pleases you, approaches you in marriage, then marry him, for if you don't, their will be fitna in the land and vast corruption".(Tirmidhi and others) Hadith

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#1277 Dec 4, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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Jordan played in the mid-west, not the mid-east, Hazel.
LOL!! A classic one, Butt ;)

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#1278 Dec 4, 2013
Igor Trip wrote:
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Do you have any evidence the verse was abrogated rather than just forgotten?
And no, there is no good reason for a quranic verse to be replaced by hadiths written down a hundred or more years later.
It doesn't matter as long as Mohammed and his companions after his death applied the punishment of stoning, that would make it as a law, its Sunnah.

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#1279 Dec 4, 2013
Igor Trip wrote:
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But hadiths especially, are still open to a lot of interpretation.
Yes of course there are still open to a lot of interpretation, thats why we have Hadith scientists (Ulama'a) Al Hadith, we have numerous types of Hadiths and can easily tell which one is authentic and which is weak or even unavailable.
Igor Trip wrote:
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That's close to what I said.
There's still plenty of room for interpretation.
Hadiths are Classified through numerous rules such as the Biographical evaluation of the narrators among with other Standards .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biographical_eva...
al Jarh wa al ta'dil
http://en.islamtoday.net/node/1568
Igor Trip wrote:
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How can the word of Muhammad usurp the word of Allah?
we already discussed the scientific facts in Quran, although such facts completely prove the honesty of Mohammed and his prophecy you seemed not to like any of them.
Igor Trip wrote:
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So he gives us free will and then sends us to hell if we get it wrong?
yes exactly he sends us to hell if we got it wrong, but we should feel that what we did is wrong, and in your case you cannot be right when you say that the universe came out of nothing, you yourself dont think its logical.
Igor Trip wrote:
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I thought the Quran was supposed to be clear?
There are two statements about the sun in verse 18:86.
Firstly “Until, when he reached the setting of the sun,”. We can travel towards the setting sun but we can't reach it. There must be thousands of possible verses that are highly poetic and way more accurate so there's no reason for such an error.
Secondly “he found it setting in a spring of dark mud,”
This is very clear and utterly absurd.“He found it”,“setting in”,“a spring of dark mud”.
There are numerous verses which was memorized and read by Muslims through hundreds of years, they just read it and explained it generally, some of these verses were found out to be holding a complicated facts which were proved recently by modern science,
this verse may be talking about a scientific fact that we still haven't discovered yet, you have to bare in mind that the Quran should fit at anytime and anywhere since its supposed to be the last true message, yesterday I watched a video of a scholar who talks about that Surah Al Kahf and he thinks that thul qarnayn (the one who saw the sun setting) may had the ability to to travel through planets and these metaphors explain other planets' structures, Remember the Dam he built out of copper and melted iron , the scholar thinks that this explanation may be referring to a planet, 18:90 " Until, when he came to the rising of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had not made against it any shield. " whom we had not made against it any shield means that those people probably had the sun up all the time and never had night, the Quran is pointing to a specific location which is the location of Gog and magog, all these explanations remain as theories only.

The story of Thul Qarnayn in Surat Al Kahf Carry a lot of metaphysical issues.
Gog and Magog according to Quran and Sunnah is a very weird kind of people who will come out at the end of days and spread corruption, in order to come out they have to destroy the dam Thul qarnayn built, so many scholars tried to determine the location of these people, some even said they are already out and controlling the world, if you are interested in such issues I recommend scholar Imran Hussain he is from Malaysia and consider himself as specialized in Gog and magog and the hidden messages of Surat al Kahf, he participated in making a project called the Wake up project its a series of 52 videos on Youtube that try to explain the hidden messages of Surat Al Kahf and our modern age.
http://www.youtube.com/user/ArrivalsHD

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#1280 Dec 4, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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All very wonderful except for the last phase, once again you are assuming that a woman has no rights and responsibilities. You bestow on her the right to be fooked by you and to bare your children and to nurture those children until they are old enough for you to say,‘you have done the easy stuff now it’s my turn to do the hard bit and show them how to pray for the rest of their life’.
I can assure you there is no trick involved, if the woman wanted sex with the man it is the womans decision unless of course you consider rape to be sex? As it seems so many Mulsims do (certainly in the UK anyway)
Perhaps that 99% have the better idea, certainly there are considerably more than 1% who don’t. It is the natural way and the way that has been in existence since the first multi celled life began on this planet
Or alternatively the girls break up with there boys, there are as many reasons as there are partnerships, it happens all the time.
Ahh I though you meant easily as in no consideration given, just go out, grab a suitable woman and make her into a breeding machine in the classic way. Tell me how well do you think that a person should know their proposed partner before the decision of marriage is made? I can assure you that a few chaste chats are not enough to get to know a person well enough to commit you life to them
It seems like you and I are just like the arab leaders; we agreed to disagree.
ChristineM wrote:
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Three, twins (boy, girl) and a younger daughter
Mashallahh May allah keep them safe for you, Just out of curiosity if anyone of them asked you about god what do you say ?!

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#1281 Dec 5, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Ahh but they think ‘bad’ sounds so much more christian than ‘evil’.
It’s ok for their god to create bad but if they think he created evil that’s a whole new ballgame
That is apart of their game. They love to be all sentimental when it comes to preaching "god's love" but when they are confronted with the evil verses in the bible, they become lawyer like and will attempt to find any technicality they can to wiggle themselves out of trouble.
"Oh, is the past." "Oh, we listen to the NT, not the OT."
They are defense lawyers for their god.
ChristineM wrote:
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They also forget that by their own belief their god created it all, there can be no copout, If they want to claim the new blooms of spring and comfortable roaring fire on christmas day then they must accept childhood leukaemia, Ebola, mine disasters, brain cancer, evil etc
Anytime something good goes on,they praise God and say that he was responsible. When anything bad goes on, it's either the devil or the fault of humans.

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#1282 Dec 5, 2013
Mahmood wrote:
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I have no religion. This purpose of life is a stupid question as far as I am concerned. Abide by the golden rule and that is my purpose. I worship no one, no holy books, no prophets, no prayers, no fasting, & no Hajj.
if you believe that there is no purpose of life, no Holy Books, No prayers, No fasting no nothing you are clearly saying that there is no god, no creator and if there was one he wouldn't sent any prophets nor books to show people the right path, and dafinetly the whole universe was created out of chaos and for no specific reason, you could simply say I am an atheist.

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#1283 Dec 5, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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That's different than what you said before.
Just want to let you know your improvement is noticed.
Well you see words are like that, take for example ‘except’ and ‘but’, they are different words with essentially very similar meanings. This aspect of the English language seems to be something you have some serious problems understanding, hence your pedantic stance on your narrow and limiting interpretation of the word atheism. You simply do not have the breadth of imagination to comprehend.

Actually no, you just thought you would have a bitch like a pedantic old maid because it makes you feel all big and macho and egotestical (correct spelling). But that’s exactly what we expect of you my dear…

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#1284 Dec 5, 2013
Quadratus wrote:
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The distinction seems clear to me.
God did not create sin, but He did create the wages of sin.
As far as your last point:
Jesus said (paraphrase) Think ye those in whom the tower of Siloam fell were sinners above all the dwellers in Jerusalem? I telk you nay, except ye repent ye shall all likewise perish.
What seems clear to you is beside the point, several versions of the babble contradict your claim. All this tells us is that you do not actually read the babble but cherry pick what best suites your personal belief.

So are you threatening me or what? Because if you are then I suggest you read the topix TOCs before continuing with biblical rants predicting death to non believers in exactly your interpretation of the babble.

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#1285 Dec 5, 2013
NinaRocks wrote:
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You either didn't fully read, or you did not comprehend the question Pascal was asking.
Oh I read exactly what you wrote several times because I did not really believe it in the context of the ongoing discussion the first couple of times, and I responded in a perfectly logical and factual way.

Fact - More babies die in birth than godbots die saying “”look everyone I am saved because I believe”(in a bronze age myth). In fact I know of three couples who have lost children during child birth (or in the last days of pregnancy). Yet despite my best fiend being a highly respected BAC who is quite high up in the church hierarchy, I can honestly say that I have never heard of anyone dying while being “born again”

Logic – Are the documented death rates for deaths during birth higher than the documented death rates for godbots dying while saying “”look everyone I am saved because I believe in a bronze age myth. Yes they are hence a logically sound argument.

Unless you can prove a 400 year old quote by an (admittedly brilliant) theologian correct and prove me wrong. I eagerly await your response.

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#1286 Dec 5, 2013
Rusty Tin Can wrote:
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If I may answer, I think that both are equally difficult for mere-mortals like us, but equally easy for god.
Which god? there are over 3700 claimed gods, 2400+ of them are claimed to be omnipotent one gods

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