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Richard Dawkins - God is evil, pedophilesa not so bad

There are 3146 comments on the Examiner.com story from Sep 14, 2013, titled Richard Dawkins - God is evil, pedophilesa not so bad. In it, Examiner.com reports that:

"The God of the Qur'an is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.

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#1251 Dec 4, 2013
NinaRocks wrote:
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What is more difficult, to be born or to rise again; that what has never been should be, or that what has been should be again?
Blaise Pascal
No brainer, how many people have died saying I believe? And how many still die in child birth?

Methinks statistics tell the storey here.

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#1252 Dec 4, 2013
warner wrote:
God is not the Father of Muslims! I agree! God is the Father of Christians!
Actually the deity of the Hebrews, stolen by christians, in their usual way and by Muslims because if a christian can steal it they can too

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#1253 Dec 4, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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the Classic Islamic way means if I liked a girl I Should directly go and talk with her parents and tell them that I have the intention to get married, then me and the girl get to sit down and talk together with the absence of her mother and/or brother and/or father, uncle ..etc , and after multiple meetings me and the girls decide if we'd like to carry on and write a marriage contract or not, the marriage contract should be written by agreement to both sides and in front of 2 witnesses, the contract mainly outlines the rights and responsibilities of the groom and bride.
I live in a free country and Unfortunately so many guys play around with girls , go to bars, caffes and clubs and trick girls into bed
by promising those girls of marriage under the name of love (fake love), I went to a mixed high school and university and trust me 99% of guys I knew my entire life talk to girls with the intention to get laid and that's it, when they get what they want the start to come up with a good excuse to break up with their girls.
By easily I meant there are many acceptable Islamic ways to find a wife, and dafinetly having a girlfriend before marriage isn't one of them, I think that there are numerous consequences to illegal relations for both males and females.
you told me that you are married, do you have any kids yet ?!
All very wonderful except for the last phase, once again you are assuming that a woman has no rights and responsibilities. You bestow on her the right to be fooked by you and to bare your children and to nurture those children until they are old enough for you to say,‘you have done the easy stuff now it’s my turn to do the hard bit and show them how to pray for the rest of their life’.

I can assure you there is no trick involved, if the woman wanted sex with the man it is the womans decision unless of course you consider rape to be sex? As it seems so many Mulsims do (certainly in the UK anyway)

Perhaps that 99% have the better idea, certainly there are considerably more than 1% who don’t. It is the natural way and the way that has been in existence since the first multi celled life began on this planet

Or alternatively the girls break up with there boys, there are as many reasons as there are partnerships, it happens all the time.

Ahh I though you meant easily as in no consideration given, just go out, grab a suitable woman and make her into a breeding machine in the classic way. Tell me how well do you think that a person should know their proposed partner before the decision of marriage is made? I can assure you that a few chaste chats are not enough to get to know a person well enough to commit you life to them

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#1254 Dec 4, 2013
emperorjohn wrote:
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It is so sad to see that even in this day and age, the negative effects of uncontrolled patriarchy fueled by religion.
And so understandable why Hazam chose to ignore is

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#1255 Dec 4, 2013
emperorjohn wrote:
<quoted text> To tell you the truth, I don't see the difference. Either way, the skydad is admitting culpability for the bad things/evil in this world.
I just see this as a another Christian trick. To dance and dance in circles again until the atheist just gives up.
Ahh but they think ‘bad’ sounds so much more christian than ‘evil’.

It’s ok for their god to create bad but if they think he created evil that’s a whole new ballgame

They also forget that by their own belief their god created it all, there can be no copout, If they want to claim the new blooms of spring and comfortable roaring fire on christmas day then they must accept childhood leukaemia, Ebola, mine disasters, brain cancer, evil etc

If they think the atheist gives up all they need to do is look as the posters info box, I have been on topix over 3 years now and seen christians come, dance in circles and leave, whereas most of the atheist / non believers are still here and chatting away.

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#1256 Dec 4, 2013
emperorjohn wrote:
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This post is making me laugh.
Glad to be of service…
Mahmood

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#1257 Dec 4, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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And according to your new religion, what is the purpose of your existing ?? if you believe in a creator how do you worship him ?
I have no religion. This purpose of life is a stupid question as far as I am concerned. Abide by the golden rule and that is my purpose. I worship no one, no holy books, no prophets, no prayers, no fasting, & no Hajj.

Buck Crick

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#1258 Dec 4, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Actually the deity of the Hebrews, stolen by christians, in their usual way and by Muslims because if a christian can steal it they can too
They "stole" god?

Where did they hide it?

Must have been a tough investigation.

Did you analyze god's DNA?

I'd love to see the results.

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#1260 Dec 4, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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They "stole" god?
Where did they hide it?
Must have been a tough investigation.
Did you analyze god's DNA?
I'd love to see the results.
I was not the one laying claim to goad as a christian deity , it was warner.

They hoiked use of the mythology and then claim it as there own and they hide it in the open, in every single lie they tell.

You want to test a mythical dna then feel free to try but don’t expect others to do it for you

Buck Crick

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#1261 Dec 4, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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I was not the one laying claim to goad as a christian deity , it was warner.
They hoiked use of the mythology and then claim it as there own and they hide it in the open, in every single lie they tell.
You want to test a mythical dna then feel free to try but don’t expect others to do it for you
That's different than what you said before.

Just want to let you know your improvement is noticed.
Quadratus

United States

#1262 Dec 4, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Ahh but they think ‘bad’ sounds so much more christian than ‘evil’.
It’s ok for their god to create bad but if they think he created evil that’s a whole new ballgame
They also forget that by their own belief their god created it all, there can be no copout, If they want to claim the new blooms of spring and comfortable roaring fire on christmas day then they must accept childhood leukaemia, Ebola,
mine disasters, brain cancer, evil etc
If they think the atheist gives up all they need to do is look as the posters info box, I have been on topix over 3 years now and seen christians come, dance in circles and leave, whereas most of the atheist / non believers are still here and chatting
away.
The distinction seems clear to me.
God did not create sin, but He did create the wages of sin.
As far as your last point:
Jesus said (paraphrase) Think ye those in whom the tower of Siloam fell were sinners above all the dwellers in Jerusalem? I telk you nay, except ye repent ye shall all likewise perish.

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#1263 Dec 4, 2013
Rusty Tin Can wrote:
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Out of curiosity which "free country" do you live in that has 99% of guys like that, or are you simply be in the wrong company?
99% of guys I knew and still know are like that and may be even worse , and thats Jordan-Middle east

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#1264 Dec 4, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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it doesn't matter, the verse was abrogated but the Law stayed valid, Mohammed did it and all his companions and caliphs did it after his death.
you will find multiple authentic Hadiths regarding this issue.
Do you have any evidence the verse was abrogated rather than just forgotten?

And no, there is no good reason for a quranic verse to be replaced by hadiths written down a hundred or more years later.

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#1265 Dec 4, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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its exactly the opposite because the earliest scholar was Mohammed because he made it clear through his actions and saying that extracting rules and laws should be done by following specific steps, his companions followed him, thats why nowadays scholars should go back to the Quran, Mohammed's saying (Hadith) and his actions and finally the actions of his companions and early caliphs.
But hadiths especially, are still open to a lot of interpretation.
hazem selawi wrote:
there isn't a major disagreement between Sunni scholars, there might be some sort of disagreement and they all get clues and evidence from The Quran and Authentic Hadiths of Mohammed, this disagreement is a mercy because if they all had one opinion, that one opinion wouldn't pay attention to different circumstances of each case, besides Mohammed dealt with each case solely, the disagreement is healthy, if there was no disagreement at all, I would question Islam.
All Sunni scholars totally agree on the basics and the most important issues of Islam.
If a scholar came and told you that Zakkah is 6% not 2.5% you can instantly tell that he is a kaffir and should make Tawbah , if another Scholar said you should only pray 4 times instead of 5, you instantly know he is a liar and knows nothing and a Kaffir as well.
That's close to what I said.
There's still plenty of room for interpretation.
hazem selawi wrote:
Yes exactly Hadiths of Mohammed help and completes Quran, But there are also some of laws and rules were extracted from Hadiths, and in few cases Hadiths abrogated a verse.
you can take Mohammed's life as an actual example of applying the Quran, and we have to bare in mind that every word of Mohammed was revealed not only Quran.
53:3 "Nor does he speak from [his own] inclination.
53:4 "It is not but a revelation revealed,
How can the word of Muhammad usurp the word of Allah?
hazem selawi wrote:
he doesnt send you to hell for using your mind, he may send anyone to hell for not taking the right path and for the bad deeds.
So he gives us free will and then sends us to hell if we get it wrong?
hazem selawi wrote:
you have the freedom of thinking and making choices but that means you should read accurately while you are looking for the truth instead of jumping to conclusions, regarding tafsir of verse 18:86
I think you only read Al-Jalalayn because its the only one available in english for this verse , there are so many Tafsirs (explanations regarding this specific verse) in Arabic , there is a disagreement of explaining the word Aynon Hame'aa , some say its not Hame'aa its Hameya , others say its Hamea'a .
Hameya means with great heat, It was translated as muddy spring.
anyways there is an obvious metaphor in this verse; Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, until when he (thul qarnayn) reached the maximum west.
I thought the Quran was supposed to be clear?

There are two statements about the sun in verse 18:86.

Firstly “Until, when he reached the setting of the sun,”. We can travel towards the setting sun but we can't reach it. There must be thousands of possible verses that are highly poetic and way more accurate so there's no reason for such an error.

Secondly “he found it setting in a spring of dark mud,”
This is very clear and utterly absurd.“He found it”,“setting in”,“a spring of dark mud”.
This doesn't work as a metaphor or simile or anything other than a clear statement of fact.
hazem selawi wrote:
any human can still have the chance till he dies, if he died it would be too late, Allah is merciful and forgiving but you still cannot be sure that all other things will be forgiven, even if somebody was worshiping other gods and made Tawbah he might be forgiven, but if he died before going back to the right path he cannot be forgiven, Shirk is the biggest sin.
Your God has an ego problem.

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#1266 Dec 4, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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99% of guys I knew and still know are like that and may be even worse , and thats Jordan-Middle east

Jordan played in the mid-west, not the mid-east, Hazel.

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#1267 Dec 4, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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No brainer, how many people have died saying I believe? And how many still die in child birth?
Methinks statistics tell the storey here.
You either didn't fully read, or you did not comprehend the question Pascal was asking.

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#1268 Dec 4, 2013
NinaRocks wrote:
What is more difficult, to be born or to rise again; that what has never been should be, or that what has been should be again?
Blaise Pascal
If I may answer, I think that both are equally difficult for mere-mortals like us, but equally easy for god.

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#1269 Dec 4, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
99% of guys I knew and still know are like that and may be even worse , and thats Jordan-Middle east
You call Jordon "free country"?(perhaps in relation to Saudi)

If that if how 99% of guys think (quoting from your post: "99% of guys I knew my entire life talk to girls with the intention to get laid and that's it"), wouldn't it be an empirical proof that Islam does nothing to make people moral? It isn't just an Arab issue, the country where I come from also has this statistic that the most Islamic of all states has the highest Porn-surfing rate on internet:

http://www.topix.com/forum/tr/istanbul/TKAEKS...

http://mymalaysia.wordpress.com/2006/12/11/is...

And this report from the birth place of Islam does not help a bit:

http://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2013/07/1...
LCNLin

United States

#1270 Dec 4, 2013
Rusty Tin Can wrote:
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You call Jordon "free country"?(perhaps in relation to Saudi)
If that if how 99% of guys think (quoting from your post: "99% of guys I knew my entire life talk to girls with the intention to get laid and that's it"), wouldn't it be an empirical proof that Islam does nothing to make people moral? It isn't just an Arab issue, the country where I come from also has this statistic that the most Islamic of all states has the highest Porn-surfing rate on internet:
http://www.topix.com/forum/tr/istanbul/TKAEKS...
http://mymalaysia.wordpress.com/2006/12/11/is...
And this report from the birth place of Islam does not help a bit:
http://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2013/07/1...
An excellent post !

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#1271 Dec 4, 2013
Rusty Tin Can wrote:
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If I may answer, I think that both are equally difficult for mere-mortals like us, but equally easy for god.
I think the point is that it would seem easier for something that already is to be remade than for something to come into being from nothing at all.

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