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Richard Dawkins - God is evil, pedophilesa not so bad

There are 3049 comments on the Examiner.com story from Sep 14, 2013, titled Richard Dawkins - God is evil, pedophilesa not so bad. In it, Examiner.com reports that:

"The God of the Qur'an is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.

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LCNLin

United States

#1226 Dec 3, 2013
Some atheist trolls,
unlike thinking atheists,
are amusing when they assume
that Agnostics are
fundamentalist Christians.

LOL

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#1227 Dec 3, 2013
LCNLin wrote:
Some atheist trolls,
unlike thinking atheists,
are amusing when they assume
that Agnostics are
fundamentalist Christians.
LOL
You don’t need to be christian to be funnymentalist

I really hoped you would know that
Mahmood

Markham, Canada

#1228 Dec 3, 2013
Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, and he'll fish for the rest of his life. Give a man religion, and he'll die praying for a fish.
Quadratus

Vancouver, WA

#1229 Dec 3, 2013
Mahmood wrote:
Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, and he'll fish for the rest of his life. Give a man religion, and he'll die praying for a fish.
The Protestant work ethic was pretty impressive. Still is among staunch Calvinists.
Quadratus

Vancouver, WA

#1230 Dec 3, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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I think a fair minded (and unbiased) observer would read what was actually written and read an ancient Hebrew lexicon then decide based on fact and not on interpretation and persons dreams.
What new birth, your “re-birth” as in born again or the new birth of a child?
Any tests you can provide or suggest that there is actually a god (or gods) rather than the personal belief of a god (or gods) without evidence.
Oh wait a moment, just like when I you made the statement and I questioned it I don’t believe you can provide any..
So all youre good for is negative sarcasm? Cmon put on your thinking cap. Suppose you have someone who is certain He has experienced God. You are certain that whatever he has experienced is imaginatory. Surely you can come up with a test to prove or falsify the opinions.

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#1231 Dec 3, 2013
Mahmood wrote:
Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, and he'll fish for the rest of his life. Give a man religion, and he'll die praying for a fish.
“Give a man a fire and he's warm for a day, but set fire to him and he's warm for the rest of his life.”
&#8213; Terry Pratchett, Jingo

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#1232 Dec 3, 2013
Quadratus wrote:
<quoted text>
So all youre good for is negative sarcasm? Cmon put on your thinking cap. Suppose you have someone who is certain He has experienced God. You are certain that whatever he has experienced is imaginatory. Surely you can come up with a test to prove or falsify the opinions.
I can prove your god cannot exist in this universe as described in revelation 19:4 (KJV) at the same time as you exist but I cannot test what you are imagining.

Certain is not evidence. The other makes the claim then it is up to the other to provide the evidence. Then that evidence can be tested. As it stands there is no evidence, there has been no evidence from the beginning of time.

However if you can come up with evidence than I suggest you publish it, you would have done what no religion has ever done before in the history of human kind and you would be famous beyond avarice.

Note, I won’t hold my breath while waiting.
LCNLin

United States

#1233 Dec 3, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>
I can prove your god cannot exist in this universe as described in revelation 19:4 (KJV) at the same time as you exist but I cannot test what you are imagining.
Certain is not evidence. The other makes the claim then it is up to the other to provide the evidence. Then that evidence can be tested. As it stands there is no evidence, there has been no evidence from the beginning of time.
However if you can come up with evidence than I suggest you publish it, you would have done what no religion has ever done before in the history of human kind and you would be famous beyond avarice.
Note, I won’t hold my breath while waiting.
Quantitative Materialists - if you can't measure it or weigh it, then it does not exist. LOL

Is He still hold his breath ....?
not to worry,
life goes on outside his ego.

“Evil Atheist :-)”

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#1234 Dec 3, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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AL NASIKH WA AL MANSUKH only happened during Mohammed's (PBUH) life,
we cannot apply it anymore, so there are multiple known cases of Al NASIKH WAL MANSUKH and they all were replied during MOHAMMED'S LIFE and under his agreement.
So is there a hadith abrogating the verse on stoning? I doubt it.

Why would stoning be removed from the Quran if it is the correct punishment?

Hadiths may add to the Quran but they surely don't replace it?

“Quite Contrary”

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#1235 Dec 3, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>
I think a fair minded (and unbiased) observer would read what was actually written and read an ancient Hebrew lexicon then decide based on fact and not on interpretation and persons dreams.
What new birth, your “re-birth” as in born again or the new birth of a child?
Any tests you can provide or suggest that there is actually a god (or gods) rather than the personal belief of a god (or gods) without evidence.
Oh wait a moment, just like when I you made the statement and I questioned it I don’t believe you can provide any..
What is more difficult, to be born or to rise again; that what has never been should be, or that what has been should be again?

Blaise Pascal

“Evil Atheist :-)”

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#1236 Dec 3, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
<quoted text>
No they cannot, an Imam should study for years and should be accepted and should be certified by a group of scientists, consider their Job as doctors, they cannot go to the hospital and open up somebody's stomach before accomplishing a specific criteria.
This wouldn't be true of the earliest scholars. It would be many years before a proper system was developed. This was also true of doctors.
Also you gave an example which clearly showed there are major disagreements between scholars on many issues.
hazem selawi wrote:
that's exactly the case I've been trying to explain it to you for days, 5 prayers a day is the second pillar in the five pillars of Islam, thus you cannot extract rules and laws out of Quran unless you Followed an accurate steps.
Hadiths are there to help with issues which are not in the Quran not to replace the verses of the Quran.
hazem selawi wrote:
Yes of course he can make you what ever he wants you to be, but he left you the freedom of choice, you decided to become an atheist, you made this choice completely by yourself, but you dont know whats going to happen in the next 5 minutes or the next day, Maybe you'll wake up tomorrow believing in god and on either cases you still make choices by yourself.
So he gives me freedom of thought and then sends me to hell for using it?
Why would I believe in a religion that comes down to the word of just one man or a book that says the sun sets in a muddy spring when I have freedom of thought?
hazem selawi wrote:
he wants us to worship him because we need to worship him, you cannot imagine what prayers do to us on the spiritual, physical and the physiological aspects.
Apparently yoga is really good too.
hazem selawi wrote:
there should be an eternal Hell, because there are people who deserves to go to hell, there are murderers, rapists , criminals ...etc the martyr in Islam can have all his sins removed except people's rights , there should an eternal hell to give back the Oppressed people their rights.
Except that all sins are forgiveable except shirk, that is worshipping other Gods.
Surely that's logically the wrong way round?

“Evil Atheist :-)”

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#1237 Dec 3, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
<quoted text>
this doesn't change the fact that you have the choice to do whatever you want and even can tell by yourself deep down if what you did is wrong or right.
Yes I can tell right from wrong and I know it's wrong to ignore evidence that disagrees with my beliefs. That's why I can't ignore the flaws with religion.
hazem selawi wrote:
although I haven't heard of any of these false gods but Zeus, I think its completely natural, because people need to have a god, then it comes to you to use your mind and find out which religion is a true religion and which one of them really shows the true path, as long as you are Mentally capable you are responsible to choose the right path.
You don't know Osiris? He's the reason you have a tourist industry!

The vast number of false Gods would rather suggest there's no reason to believe there's any God, certainly not one who cares if we worship him.
hazem selawi wrote:
67:6 "And for those who disbelieved in their Lord is the punishment of Hell, and wretched is the destination."
67:7 "When they are thrown into it, they hear from it a [dreadful] inhaling while it boils up."
67:8 "It almost bursts with rage. Every time a company is thrown into it, its keepers ask them, "Did there not come to you a warner?"
67:9 "They will say," Yes, a warner had come to us, but we denied and said,' Allah has not sent down anything. You are not but in great error.' "
67:10 "And they will say, "If only we had been listening or reasoning, we would not be among the companions of the Blaze."
these verses prove that disbelievers when dragged to hell they admit that they were wrong, they say "if only we had been listening or reasoning we would not be among the companions of Hell.
unfortunately it would be too late because the test would be already finished and they cannot come back to change their minds and believe again, they had their chance so many times during there life.
You're quoting a book that says the sun sets in a muddy spring and claiming it proves I'm going to hell?

A real God could do a lot better.

Since: Oct 13

Location hidden

#1238 Dec 3, 2013
Mahmood wrote:
<quoted text>
Going good.
And according to your new religion, what is the purpose of your existing ?? if you believe in a creator how do you worship him ?

Since: Oct 13

Location hidden

#1239 Dec 3, 2013
Igor Trip wrote:
<quoted text>
So is there a hadith abrogating the verse on stoning? I doubt it.
Why would stoning be removed from the Quran if it is the correct punishment?
Hadiths may add to the Quran but they surely don't replace it?
it doesn't matter, the verse was abrogated but the Law stayed valid, Mohammed did it and all his companions and caliphs did it after his death.
you will find multiple authentic Hadiths regarding this issue.

Since: Oct 13

Location hidden

#1240 Dec 3, 2013
Igor Trip wrote:
<quoted text>
This wouldn't be true of the earliest scholars. It would be many years before a proper system was developed. This was also true of doctors.
Also you gave an example which clearly showed there are major disagreements between scholars on many issues.
its exactly the opposite because the earliest scholar was Mohammed because he made it clear through his actions and saying that extracting rules and laws should be done by following specific steps, his companions followed him, thats why nowadays scholars should go back to the Quran, Mohammed's saying (Hadith) and his actions and finally the actions of his companions and early caliphs.

there isn't a major disagreement between Sunni scholars, there might be some sort of disagreement and they all get clues and evidence from The Quran and Authentic Hadiths of Mohammed, this disagreement is a mercy because if they all had one opinion, that one opinion wouldn't pay attention to different circumstances of each case, besides Mohammed dealt with each case solely, the disagreement is healthy, if there was no disagreement at all, I would question Islam.
All Sunni scholars totally agree on the basics and the most important issues of Islam.
If a scholar came and told you that Zakkah is 6% not 2.5% you can instantly tell that he is a kaffir and should make Tawbah , if another Scholar said you should only pray 4 times instead of 5, you instantly know he is a liar and knows nothing and a Kaffir as well.
Igor Trip wrote:
<quoted text>
Hadiths are there to help with issues which are not in the Quran not to replace the verses of the Quran.
Yes exactly Hadiths of Mohammed help and completes Quran, But there are also some of laws and rules were extracted from Hadiths, and in few cases Hadiths abrogated a verse.
you can take Mohammed's life as an actual example of applying the Quran, and we have to bare in mind that every word of Mohammed was revealed not only Quran.

53:3 "Nor does he speak from [his own] inclination.
53:4 "It is not but a revelation revealed,
Igor Trip wrote:
<quoted text>
So he gives me freedom of thought and then sends me to hell for using it?
he doesnt send you to hell for using your mind, he may send anyone to hell for not taking the right path and for the bad deeds.
Igor Trip wrote:
<quoted text>
Why would I believe in a religion that comes down to the word of just one man or a book that says the sun sets in a muddy spring when I have freedom of thought?
you have the freedom of thinking and making choices but that means you should read accurately while you are looking for the truth instead of jumping to conclusions, regarding tafsir of verse 18:86
I think you only read Al-Jalalayn because its the only one available in english for this verse , there are so many Tafsirs (explanations regarding this specific verse) in Arabic , there is a disagreement of explaining the word Aynon Hame'aa , some say its not Hame'aa its Hameya , others say its Hamea'a .
Hameya means with great heat, It was translated as muddy spring.
anyways there is an obvious metaphor in this verse; Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, until when he (thul qarnayn) reached the maximum west.
Igor Trip wrote:
<quoted text>
Except that all sins are forgiveable except shirk, that is worshipping other Gods.
Surely that's logically the wrong way round?
any human can still have the chance till he dies, if he died it would be too late, Allah is merciful and forgiving but you still cannot be sure that all other things will be forgiven, even if somebody was worshiping other gods and made Tawbah he might be forgiven, but if he died before going back to the right path he cannot be forgiven, Shirk is the biggest sin.
warner

Ireland

#1241 Dec 3, 2013
Muslims don't need Yahweh to take their sins away, a black stone forgives their sins, and that is why the stone is black because it's full of sins! ha,ha,ha!

Muslims don't believe Yahweh came to Earth to be with man, so Muslims will build a great big tower to climb up to God!

Muslims say that God is not their Father!
warner

Ireland

#1242 Dec 3, 2013
God is not the Father of Muslims! I agree! God is the Father of Christians!

Since: Oct 13

Location hidden

#1243 Dec 3, 2013
warner wrote:
Muslims don't need Yahweh to take their sins away, a black stone forgives their sins, and that is why the stone is black because it's full of sins! ha,ha,ha!
Muslims don't believe Yahweh came to Earth to be with man, so Muslims will build a great big tower to climb up to God!
Muslims say that God is not their Father!
Have you ever read the Bible in ancient Hebrew ?!
Because a 5 years old Arab can notice the difference between Quran in Arabic and translations to English, If I were you I would learn ancient Hebrew and reread the Bible.

Since: Oct 13

Location hidden

#1244 Dec 3, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes I have, go figure…
What do you consider the classic way and is marriage easy for you?
The word easily implies that you would not be committed to such a marriage
the Classic Islamic way means if I liked a girl I Should directly go and talk with her parents and tell them that I have the intention to get married, then me and the girl get to sit down and talk together with the absence of her mother and/or brother and/or father, uncle ..etc , and after multiple meetings me and the girls decide if we'd like to carry on and write a marriage contract or not, the marriage contract should be written by agreement to both sides and in front of 2 witnesses, the contract mainly outlines the rights and responsibilities of the groom and bride.

I live in a free country and Unfortunately so many guys play around with girls , go to bars, caffes and clubs and trick girls into bed
by promising those girls of marriage under the name of love (fake love), I went to a mixed high school and university and trust me 99% of guys I knew my entire life talk to girls with the intention to get laid and that's it, when they get what they want the start to come up with a good excuse to break up with their girls.

By easily I meant there are many acceptable Islamic ways to find a wife, and dafinetly having a girlfriend before marriage isn't one of them, I think that there are numerous consequences to illegal relations for both males and females.

you told me that you are married, do you have any kids yet ?!

Since: Apr 12

Martinez, CA

#1245 Dec 3, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
I live in a free country and Unfortunately so many guys play around with girls , go to bars, caffes and clubs and trick girls into bed
by promising those girls of marriage under the name of love (fake love), I went to a mixed high school and university and trust me 99% of guys I knew my entire life talk to girls with the intention to get laid and that's it, when they get what they want the start to come up with a good excuse to break up with their girls.
Out of curiosity which "free country" do you live in that has 99% of guys like that, or are you simply be in the wrong company?

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