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Richard Dawkins - God is evil, pedophilesa not so bad

There are 3146 comments on the Examiner.com story from Sep 14, 2013, titled Richard Dawkins - God is evil, pedophilesa not so bad. In it, Examiner.com reports that:

"The God of the Qur'an is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.

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Quadratus

Federal Way, WA

#1171 Dec 2, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Your reasoning is very limited.
Georg Cantor explained heirarchies of infinities over a century ago.
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Yeah I know, once you guys answer something - thats the answer. Forgive me if I dont give up on infinite yet.
For sake of argument though lets go with finite but really big. A holiness that is as big as Gods creative genius. From our perspective it wouldnt look a whole lot different than infinite.
Such a holiness does not need to grow up. Intolerance for evil is not a bad thing - exept in the eyes of those who have some evil in us and like it. And such a God would laugh at the impudence of such to judge Him.
An intolerance fo evil of such a magnitude could easily result in a hell like punishment. Even without the Bible that thought could cros my mind.
Quadratus

Federal Way, WA

#1172 Dec 2, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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where I live the sun is Almost out the whole year, we nearly notice the full four seasons, I think the weather is the best and the only good thing we have in here.
I have plans to get married but still couldn't find the right girl if you know what I mean, how about you ?!
Married 25 years. 12 children. No grandkids yet.
Mahmood

Peterborough, Canada

#1173 Dec 2, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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Check my previous response.
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I really think that you cannot be considered as a true Jewish unless you had a Jewish mother, you may live in Israel but wouldn't have all the rights, Are you sure that anyone can become a Jew ?!!
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The actual and true Islam is full of peace not to do a massacre anywhere or to anyone , the fertility rate for Muslims is way higher than others, the fertility rate for Arabs is beyond 2.4, not to mention if we truly started to have up to 4 wives, we'll even get more and more.
in your country alone over 7,000 people convert to Islam a year, Not to mention those who hide their Islam because of fear, Islam is growing again, and guess what, a lot of people converted after 9/11.
8:30 "And [remember, O Muhammad], when those who disbelieved plotted against you to restrain you or kill you or evict you [from Makkah]. But they plan, and Allah plans. And Allah is the best of planners. "
the enemies of Islam spent billions to ruin our reputation but in fact they spread the message of Islam without even knowing it.
What about conversion from Islam, have you kept track of it as well? I know several people like myself who no longer consider themselves muslims.

“Evil Atheist :-)”

Since: Mar 07

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#1174 Dec 2, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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The verse was dafinetly abrogated not lost, a verse can be abrogated by a Hadith, and there are numerous authentic hadiths about stoning to death.
2:106 "None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause it to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: knowest thou that God has power over all things? "
If you want to know more about Al Nasikh wa Al Mansukh you have to ask a specialized scholar, if you know any.
there are multiple examples of this method, Sunnah completes the Quran and anyways Mohammeds words (Hadiths) were also revealed to him not only Quran.
How can a hadith, the word of Muhammad,(which was written down a hundred or more years after Muhammad's death) possible replace a verse in the Quran, the word of God?
This is especially true as you are saying stoning is the law.
Abrogation means the verses rulings no longer apply. This is a ruling that still applies.

Since: Oct 13

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#1175 Dec 2, 2013
Igor Trip wrote:
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How can a hadith, the word of Muhammad,(which was written down a hundred or more years after Muhammad's death) possible replace a verse in the Quran, the word of God?
This is especially true as you are saying stoning is the law.
Abrogation means the verses rulings no longer apply. This is a ruling that still applies.
AL NASIKH WA AL MANSUKH only happened during Mohammed's (PBUH) life,
we cannot apply it anymore, so there are multiple known cases of Al NASIKH WAL MANSUKH and they all were replied during MOHAMMED'S LIFE and under his agreement.

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#1176 Dec 2, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Yup it’s kind of hard to find the right girl when you won’t socialise with those of the female persuasion.
hahah I think you have a point, but I can easily get married the classic way.

“Evil Atheist :-)”

Since: Mar 07

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#1177 Dec 2, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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No not any Imam or muslim scholar can make up rules , because already most of rules and laws were agreed by the big scholars and the four MADHHABS long time ago,
Then that's when their interpretation of the hadiths and Quran became law.
hazem selawi wrote:
the scientists disagree with a few rules and each one of them has his own opinion regarding a specific issue, but they all have to follow a specific method, So After all different opinions make it easier for people because there are different circumstances , If Islam was very solid it cannot survive thus disagreement and multiple opinions make Islam more flexible.
Like the marriage contract for instance, Some Madhhabs say that you cannot add a term that give the wife the right to say Talliq instead of the Husband , another madhhab say its okay if the man agreed of such a term, so different opinions is important as long as the scholar is following the accurate method to extract rules (Al IJTIHAD.)
So Imans can make up their own interpretation of the rules.
Presumably this is because they can also be ignored.
hazem selawi wrote:
what if "Igor trip" Studied Fiqh and Tafsir, and came up saying we shouldnt pray 5 prayers a day, we only have to pray 4 times a day only, nobody will even listen to you because saying so means that you ignored numerous Hadiths and actions of Mohammed.
Do you know that the Quran never tells you to pray five times a day?
It only ever mentions three prayers.
hazem selawi wrote:
the creator knows what you are going to do in the next 5 seconds, tomorrow and even for your whole life, but what if the creator Skipped all life and just brought you back to life at the day of resurrection and said that he will put you in eternal hell, that will be unfair, that's why he knows what your going to do and already knows what you are gonna choose but at the same time gave you the ability to choose, and the good thing about it is that you don't know what is will happen in the future, So the creator took care if you while you were in your mother's womb, brought you to this life and gave you parents to take care of you, gave you eyes, ears and mind to make choices and gave you the right to believe or disbelieve.
A God who knows everything I'm going to do before I'm even born can create me any way he likes. Thus he made me as an atheist when he could have made me a believer but didn't, and then he's going to burn me in hell for eternity?

Or more likely everything you posted is unprovable, unknowable nonsense.
hazem selawi wrote:
Allah mentioned that he doesn't need our worshiping,
Then why would he want us to worship him?
hazem selawi wrote:
its we who need to worship him, Worshiping god will benefit us in this life and the hereafter.
You mean that if we do worship him he won't throw a hissy fit and burn us in hell?

“Evil Atheist :-)”

Since: Mar 07

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#1178 Dec 2, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
mankind is like a bunch of mosquitoes who will head directly to the mosquito killer lamp no matter how hard you try to prevent them not to, Humans most of the time follow their lusts which will eventually kill or harm them just like that mosquito which likes the glowing lamp that will kill it.
Humans don't like restrictions, Allah tells us through his prophets not to commit adultery, not to drink alcohol not to kill ..etc but we do the exact opposite thus we will spread corruption and eventually destroy ourselves, our Planet and most of us wont survive in the afterlife.
2:30 "when your Lord said to the angels, "Indeed, I will make upon the earth a successive authority." They said, "Will You place upon it one who causes corruption therein and sheds blood, while we declare Your praise and sanctify You?" Allah said, "Indeed, I know that which you do not know."
Allah decided to make upon the earth a successive authority which is the human beings, the angels said will you place upon it who causes corruption and sheds blood while we declare your praise and sanctify you ?!! The difference between us and the angels is that we have the ability to choose, we have the freedom of choice, thus Allah knows that there are good people who will follow the right path.
So your God made us imperfect and then complains when we aren't perfect?
hazem selawi wrote:
If god was so bad at spreading his message you wouldn't know about Mohammed, Moses ,Issa and other previous prophets, and we wouldnt be discussing Islam in the middle of the night.
If your God wasn't so bad at spreading his message you wouldn't have heard about Brahma, Krishna, Thor, Zeus, Orisis, Tiamat or the thousands of other Gods and Goddesses. There would have been no St Paul and no Christianity, no Buddhism, Hinduism or paganism.

Of course some religions grow in popularity as others fade away but that doesn't make them any more true.

Since: Oct 13

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#1179 Dec 2, 2013
Quadratus wrote:
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Married 25 years. 12 children. No grandkids yet.
WOW MASHALLAH, 12 children you are Just like the Arabs :P
you can have your own soccer team, I am planning to get 11 children Inchalla, maybe someday my team can play against yours LOL!!

Since: Oct 13

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#1180 Dec 2, 2013
Mahmood wrote:
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What about conversion from Islam, have you kept track of it as well? I know several people like myself who no longer consider themselves muslims.
did you become a christian ? or became an atheist ?!

Since: Oct 13

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#1181 Dec 2, 2013
Igor Trip wrote:
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So Imans can make up their own interpretation of the rules.
Presumably this is because they can also be ignored.
No they cannot, an Imam should study for years and should be accepted and should be certified by a group of scientists, consider their Job as doctors, they cannot go to the hospital and open up somebody's stomach before accomplishing a specific criteria.
Igor Trip wrote:
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Do you know that the Quran never tells you to pray five times a day?
It only ever mentions three prayers.
that's exactly the case I've been trying to explain it to you for days, 5 prayers a day is the second pillar in the five pillars of Islam, thus you cannot extract rules and laws out of Quran unless you Followed an accurate steps.
Igor Trip wrote:
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A God who knows everything I'm going to do before I'm even born can create me any way he likes. Thus he made me as an atheist when he could have made me a believer but didn't, and then he's going to burn me in hell for eternity?
Or more likely everything you posted is unprovable, unknowable nonsense.
Yes of course he can make you what ever he wants you to be, but he left you the freedom of choice, you decided to become an atheist, you made this choice completely by yourself, but you dont know whats going to happen in the next 5 minutes or the next day, Maybe you'll wake up tomorrow believing in god and on either cases you still make choices by yourself.
Igor Trip wrote:
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Then why would he want us to worship him?
You mean that if we do worship him he won't throw a hissy fit and burn us in hell?
he wants us to worship him because we need to worship him, you cannot imagine what prayers do to us on the spiritual, physical and the physiological aspects.

there should be an eternal Hell, because there are people who deserves to go to hell, there are murderers, rapists , criminals ...etc the martyr in Islam can have all his sins removed except people's rights , there should an eternal hell to give back the Oppressed people their rights.

Since: Oct 13

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#1182 Dec 2, 2013
Igor Trip wrote:
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So your God made us imperfect and then complains when we aren't perfect?
this doesn't change the fact that you have the choice to do whatever you want and even can tell by yourself deep down if what you did is wrong or right.
Igor Trip wrote:
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If your God wasn't so bad at spreading his message you wouldn't have heard about Brahma, Krishna, Thor, Zeus, Orisis, Tiamat or the thousands of other Gods and Goddesses. There would have been no St Paul and no Christianity, no Buddhism, Hinduism or paganism.
Of course some religions grow in popularity as others fade away but that doesn't make them any more true.
although I haven't heard of any of these false gods but Zeus, I think its completely natural, because people need to have a god, then it comes to you to use your mind and find out which religion is a true religion and which one of them really shows the true path, as long as you are Mentally capable you are responsible to choose the right path.

67:6 "And for those who disbelieved in their Lord is the punishment of Hell, and wretched is the destination."

67:7 "When they are thrown into it, they hear from it a [dreadful] inhaling while it boils up."
67:8 "It almost bursts with rage. Every time a company is thrown into it, its keepers ask them, "Did there not come to you a warner?"

67:9 "They will say," Yes, a warner had come to us, but we denied and said,' Allah has not sent down anything. You are not but in great error.' "

67:10 "And they will say, "If only we had been listening or reasoning, we would not be among the companions of the Blaze."

these verses prove that disbelievers when dragged to hell they admit that they were wrong, they say "if only we had been listening or reasoning we would not be among the companions of Hell.

unfortunately it would be too late because the test would be already finished and they cannot come back to change their minds and believe again, they had their chance so many times during there life.

Since: Apr 12

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#1183 Dec 2, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
WOW MASHALLAH, 12 children you are Just like the Arabs :P
you can have your own soccer team, I am planning to get 11 children Inchalla, maybe someday my team can play against yours LOL!!
Unless you want a mixed sex team, you'll probably need to plan for about 22 children :)
Quadratus

Bothell, WA

#1184 Dec 2, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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WOW MASHALLAH, 12 children you are Just like the Arabs :P
you can have your own soccer team, I am planning to get 11 children Inchalla, maybe someday my team can play against yours LOL!!
I come from a large family and so does my wife. I have seven siblings and my wife has 14. This thanksgiving we all got together at my father in laws place and there were 82 of us not counting the new babies. It was really great.
Quadratus

Bothell, WA

#1185 Dec 2, 2013
As far as sports go, we dont do much of that, except hunting. My boys usually get an elk every yeat and a couple deer. We live a ways from town and organized sports really arent an option. I miss it somewhat, I really enjoyed basketball in high school.

“Quite Contrary”

Since: Nov 12

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#1186 Dec 2, 2013
Justin wrote:
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The Old Testament documents the slavery, fornnication, and mass murder of Hebrew kings. Many people mistakingly hold these men up as examples of following God's will, despite that God explicitly forbid things like murder, theft, and adultry in the Ten Commandments. Many of the so called "Men Of God", were anything but.
That's part of the reason why Christ came with a "New Testament", to deliver a clear message about what God expects of us. Unfortunately the Catholic Church bundled the testaments of Christ along with the Old Hebrew Testaments into one Bible.
When did you ever read the entire OT? Nowhere does it advocate slavery or fornication or any of the evils you think it does. Those kings are not held up as "men of God", but as cautionary examples. Jeremiah was commanded as a prophet not to marry or have children because he would have had to watch them succumb to secularity and punishment with the rest of his people. That was a man of God. Herod, who married the evil Jezabel, and worshipped Ashterath and Baal(evil cults based on sex and the slaughter of children)was a king, but not a man of God, and both they and their followers suffered most severe punishment for those things. He was slaughtered and left unburied, and she was thrown out of her tower and devoured by dogs.
If you are going to argue a case, you should know of what you speak. True men of God were rare in the OT, but the point of it is that God keeps His promises, but does not excuse the unrighteous. The NT is the fulfillment of those promises.
Thinking

Merthyr Tydfil, UK

#1187 Dec 2, 2013
Your bible says god created evil. Why create something you are intolerant of?
Quadratus wrote:
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Yeah I know, once you guys answer something - thats the answer. Forgive me if I dont give up on infinite yet.
For sake of argument though lets go with finite but really big. A holiness that is as big as Gods creative genius. From our perspective it wouldnt look a whole lot different than infinite.
Such a holiness does not need to grow up. Intolerance for evil is not a bad thing - exept in the eyes of those who have some evil in us and like it. And such a God would laugh at the impudence of such to judge Him.
An intolerance fo evil of such a magnitude could easily result in a hell like punishment. Even without the Bible that thought could cros my mind.

Since: Oct 13

Location hidden

#1188 Dec 2, 2013
Rusty Tin Can wrote:
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Unless you want a mixed sex team, you'll probably need to plan for about 22 children :)
LOL! Even better

Since: Oct 13

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#1189 Dec 2, 2013
Quadratus wrote:
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I come from a large family and so does my wife. I have seven siblings and my wife has 14. This thanksgiving we all got together at my father in laws place and there were 82 of us not counting the new babies. It was really great.
Hahah I am sure it was great, Are you sure you are not Arabic :)??
Nice now you have a soccer team and A loyal audience..Lol
Quadratus

Bothell, WA

#1190 Dec 2, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Your bible says god created evil. Why create something you are intolerant of?
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Where does the Bible say God created evil?

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