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Richard Dawkins - God is evil, pedophilesa not so bad

There are 3147 comments on the Examiner.com story from Sep 14, 2013, titled Richard Dawkins - God is evil, pedophilesa not so bad. In it, Examiner.com reports that:

"The God of the Qur'an is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.

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Quadratus

Federal Way, WA

#1151 Dec 1, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Your god needs to grow up.
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How does one grow past infinite? Thats the point, if there is a Creator God, reason demands that He be bigger and more powerful than theuniverse He created. How does such a huge holiness pass over sin? You forgive someone for lying to you because you dont see lying as all that bad. In your small holiness you dont forgive someone for murdering people - because you dont murder. Its bad to you. With infinite holiness all sin is bad. And unforgivable. How does that kind of holiness grow up?

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#1152 Dec 1, 2013
Quadratus wrote:
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I am in the northwest corner of the US - Oregon. I am in sales management, what do you do?
What a good location, I heard the nature there is spectacular.

in what field ?! I have a service and maintenance center for Smart phones and computers, the business is good since we got to solve people problems.
Quadratus

Federal Way, WA

#1153 Dec 1, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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What a good location, I heard the nature there is spectacular.
in what field ?! I have a service and maintenance center for Smart phones and computers, the business is good since we got to solve people problems.
When the sun comes out I believe this is the most beautiful place on earth. However, the sun comes out about three months a year, during which time it alternates between drizzle and rain. So I am not sure whether it really is that beautiful or if I am
sunshine deprived.
I work in the home decorating business.
Do you have family? Children?
Thinking

Merthyr Tydfil, UK

#1154 Dec 2, 2013
Your reasoning is very limited.
Georg Cantor explained heirarchies of infinities over a century ago.
Quadratus wrote:
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How does one grow past infinite? Thats the point, if there is a Creator God, reason demands that He be bigger and more powerful than theuniverse He created. How does such a huge holiness pass over sin? You forgive someone for lying to you because you dont see lying as all that bad. In your small holiness you dont forgive someone for murdering people - because you dont murder. Its bad to you. With infinite holiness all sin is bad. And unforgivable. How does that kind of holiness grow up?

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#1155 Dec 2, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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No I didn’t say so, I said that Good actions are obviously seem to be good to all people, but you are trying to prove that good things are bad and bad things are good, you will never be capable of proving it , even if you spend your whole life doing it.
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of course sex is about procreation Among with other things , but Islam teaches us to put it in the right path and the best way, Who told you that animals don’t get married by their own ways..!!!, So many animals have only one partner , some animals even choose a specific partner to procreate with, Most of animals protect their females from other males, in so many types of animals the female get to choose a male to procreate with.
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first of all religion started from the very first day of humans existence, God the creator sent prophets among people with the best teachings and laws that would perfectly suit that time,
my religion say that there isn’t even one nation left with no guidance from Allah.
FYI Quran completely agrees with you because it states that alcohol provides health benefits among with other harms, but the harms of alcohol is way more than its benefits .
2:219 “They ask you about wine and gambling. Say, "In them is great sin and [yet, some] benefit for people. But their sin is greater than their benefit." And they ask you what they should spend. Say, "The excess [beyond needs]." Thus Allah makes clear to you the verses [of revelation] that you might give thought.“
I am not trying to prove anything is good or bad, I am showing that everyone, including you, is an individual. Just because you believe having sex outside religion is bad does not mean that the rest of the world thinks it’s bad, it just means that you are indoctrinated into a certain belief system, the same goes with alcohol.

I do not really care what Islam teaches, it does not teach me and it does not teach more than 75% of the worlds population. So why are you holding that 75% to account for your belief.

It is true that some (relatively few) animals are monogamous, it is by far the minority. http://www.livescience.com/1135-wild-sex-mono... .

Wrong, religion started as a way to control people a long time after the homo sapiens strain evolved.

Don’t talk such utter bollocks, how can religious belief outweigh health benefits?

How can the phrase “excess [beyond needs]" be seen as a clear ban on alcohol consumption?

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#1156 Dec 2, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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You are married …!!!! You really shocked me I thought you were completely against marriage,
I never questioned your morals, I only discussed the ideas you were trying to promote under the term FREEDOM,…
Why would you think that? Is it because you do not really have any concept of the meaning of the word freedom? Freedom under your terms is not freedom but dictatorship.

No you didn’t but I am questioning your interpretation of the word morality, morality is a human (and other animals) concept, not a religious concept, they (the religions) simply choose to steal the word and tailor is as an excuse to vomit hatred on those who don’t believe like them.

Of course I understand your religion, it really is not difficult to understand that anyone without the will to think for themselves can follow a god book. However as I have been attempting to show you for some weeks there is a thing called freedom of choice and EVERYONE is free to make their own choice, no matter what your religion dictates. This is where it all gets a bit woolly as it does with ALL religions because you have the choice to do things your way, however you seem to be unwilling to allow other people the same privilege. What seems right to you may not seem right to other people. However you claim the morality of your claim of right because you think your god is on your side and so show no consideration to the other persons rights. First off there are over 3700 claimed for gods throughout known history, 2400+ omnipotent one gods and the followers of every single one of them knew without doubt that their god was right. Then there is the fact that I have no god crutch to bolster my morality, any decisions I make are mine alone and hence I will always be a more moral (in the true sense of the word) person than you.

Wrong, most species (if not all) have the ability to choose. They may not choose what you want or even choose in the way you want but that’s just your own intolerance doing the dictating.

I choose to live the way I live with my husband because it is right for us, it has nothing to do with how any god dictates and really you would be surprised, no shocked at some of what we do together – hell I even walk in front of him sometimes. Does that make what we do wrong? In your eyes certainly but that has nothing to do with it, You are not me, you are not my husband and neither of us are in any way religious so both you or your god have no say whatsoever in our relationship

No it is not, it is a religious custom that mutilates a male from the way he was born, in your understanding from the way Allah made him. Whassup do you not think that you god got the foreskin idea right? So you must think your god is fallible then?

It may be easier but that does not excuse the fact that the owner for said foreskin had NOT given permission to have it removed.

Oh dear, has no one ever told you that you should never stick your fooking big fat nose into a mothers care for her children? Do not ever try and threaten me with what YOUR religion thinks is best for my son and what he will do because he has the freedom of choice over his own body? That is pure intolerant ignorance of the highest order.

You thick moron, have you actually ever fed a child? Probably not considering that you are macho, better than woman Muslim male so it’s beyond your capabilities. I can assure you that if a child does not want to eat vegetables then the person doing the feeding gets a face full of part chewed vegetables, The child has the choice over what they will eat. The same cannot beside for forced circumcision.

In short, that freedom of choice that you choose to steal from a Muslim male child is your decision and you have to justify your own excuses for your barbaric act.

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#1157 Dec 2, 2013
Quadratus wrote:
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When the sun comes out I believe this is the most beautiful place on earth. However, the sun comes out about three months a year, during which time it alternates between drizzle and rain. So I am not sure whether it really is that beautiful or if I am
sunshine deprived.
I work in the home decorating business.
Do you have family? Children?
where I live the sun is Almost out the whole year, we nearly notice the full four seasons, I think the weather is the best and the only good thing we have in here.
I have plans to get married but still couldn't find the right girl if you know what I mean, how about you ?!

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#1158 Dec 2, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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Jewish faith will never become mainstream in any country because simply there are only 15 millions Jewish in the whole world and no one can convert to Judaism, so you cannot become a Jew unless you had a Jewish mother on the other hand Islam is the fastest growing religion, depending on Fertility rate, tens of thousands converting to Islam and Muslims immigrants to western countries , Europe for instance needs manpower because the birthrate is low, they need those immigrants that seek to change the religious identity of the continent; so basically it’s a matter of time and you will be surrounded by Muslims.
You really have no understanding of anywhere except the middle east do you?…Dream on, the magic word is freedom and your faith does not understand its consequences or power.

The Jewish faith is pretty mainstream in the country now called Israel. And although it’s a more exclusive god club than yours there is no problem in converting to Judaism so don’t lie. You want citations please ask.

No way that short of massacre* will Islam become mainstream in countries that know freedom.
* It seems that Islamists are good at massacre as a valid means to spread their religion, It’s sure worked for you in the past and is the reason Islam is so prevalent now but those days are long gone.

You are as bad as U.S. christians claiming their church is growing without taking account of the fact that the human population of the world is growing too. Islam has growth at a rate of around 1.8% over the last 10 years and it is true that it is said to be the fasted growing religion however world population is growing by about the same rate of 1.8% and 1.8% of 1.6 billion is a lot less than 1.8% of 7.1 billion. It seems that all religions including Islam are shrinking in real terms.

The Islamic population of Europe is growing slowly, however so is the general population of Europe (see above). It is projected that by the mid 2030’s the Muslim population of the EU will reach 8%. So are you saying that by the end of the next millennium it should be up around 16%. Ok, I won’t hold my breath for 1000 years or so for the Islamic take over, your faith will have gone the way of the cult of Cybele by then, funnily enough that cult also mutated the male genitalia.

Note: Throughout history every single religion that has existed (except one, Hinduism) has grown, reached a peak and then diminished or is diminishing. And every single one (except Hinduism) during the times of plenty has claimed that their religion is on target to rule the world. Also note that every single one has failed.

I live in the North west of the UK (Lancashire), relatively high Muslim population at about 9 or 10% so I am pretty surrounded by Muslims. However most do not want to take over the world with the iron rod of allah as their weapon of choice. Most simply want to get on with their lives and look after their family and of course the important bit,‘while abiding by the laws of the country they reside in’

Note the manpower to drive Europe seems to be coming from the new EC countries,(eastern Europe) you have no idea of the consternation this is causing in some right wing quarters.

Since: May 10

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#1159 Dec 2, 2013
Mahmood wrote:
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I am an apostate. If allah claims to be the almighty creator of the universe then he is a liar. In my opinion, I believe he happens to be someone's alter ego. When allah says "we sent down the Koran" what does he mean by "we", are there more than one allah? And you are right, I dont trust the Koran which is full of plagiarizm. The Koran if anything, is an effusion of Mohammad's emotions and a reflection of his ideas. Koran has little merit. Koran is a declamation, repetition, a lack of logic and coherence, and a mediocre piece of literature. Millions of people are wasting time absorbing it.
The orthodox position concerning the collection & codification of the Koran is motivated by dogmatic factors and cannot be supported by historical evidence. Concept of prophethood is an integral tradtion of Middle Eastern culture. All prophets somehow emerged out of the dessert region. Mohammad was the Johnny come lately of the Abrahamic faith.
The Koran incoherent rhapsody of fables, plagiarized from pre-Islamic sources. I can show you several examples where authors have borrowed narratives from ancient rabbinical and Xtian literature. I do not rely on non-muslim sources for anything, I only read the Koran and I ask questions. I also read tafsirs, but I do not rely on them either because they were all written by 13th and 14th century scholars.
I'm curious, MooMoo.

Do you pronounce "Mahmood" by making that sound like your hocking up a big bolus of snot in your throat?

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#1160 Dec 2, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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I have plans to get married but still couldn't find the right girl if you know what I mean,...?!
Well, Hazel. It might be that dried goat shit stuck in your beard.

Since: Oct 13

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#1161 Dec 2, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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I am not trying to prove anything is good or bad, I am showing that everyone, including you, is an individual. Just because you believe having sex outside religion is bad does not mean that the rest of the world thinks it’s bad, it just means that you are indoctrinated into a certain belief system, the same goes with alcohol.
Lets put my religion aside and think of the consequences of having sex before and outside marriage; We cannot ignore the fact that sex is the number one source of STDS, We Cannot ignore the fact that sex makes having a long term relationship more difficult, We cannot ignore the fact that sex may lower your self esteem, we cannot ignore the fact that sex before and outside marriage may hunt you in your future relationships in some cases , some studies show that sex may cause depression.

you completely have the freedom to choice, Islam only tells you what is right and what is wrong and show you the right path to follow.

88:21 "So remind,[O Muhammad]; you are only a reminder.
88:22 You are not over them a controller."

Sharia laws can only be applied when all other parts of the religion were delivered perfectly and already applied in the community such as the ease of marriage, Zakkah and many more..., even under sharia law people would still have the freedom of choice, because common who have sex in front of 4 witnesses ..!! so most of the rules and punishments would be applied only under full confession.

Alcohol is pretty much the same case.
ChristineM wrote:
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I do not really care what Islam teaches, it does not teach me and it does not teach more than 75% of the worlds population.
Well, you heard about it and the warnings were delivered to you now you have the choice to whether follow it or follow your lusts, that is the the actual test.
ChristineM wrote:
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Wrong, religion started as a way to control people a long time after the homo sapiens strain evolved.
different prophets and messengers were sent to deliver different teachings and messages that would suit people needs and guarantee their survival, There is a hadith says that 124,000 prophets were sent by the creator starting from the first day of mankind till Mohammed the last prophet and messenger.
ChristineM wrote:
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Don’t talk such utter bollocks, how can religious belief outweigh health benefits?
How can the phrase “excess [beyond needs]" be seen as a clear ban on alcohol consumption?
You said that alcohol may have some benefits I said that we already know that, because the verse clearly says "In them is great sin and [yet, some] benefit for people "

2:219 "They ask you about wine and gambling. Say, "In them is great sin and [yet, some] benefit for people. But their sin is greater than their benefit." And they ask you what they should spend. Say, "The excess [beyond needs]." Thus Allah makes clear to you the verses [of revelation] that you might give thought."

The ban of alcohol is in another verse and hadiths.

Since: May 10

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#1162 Dec 2, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Your reasoning is very limited.
Georg Cantor explained heirarchies of infinities over a century ago.
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And I explained to you, Tinky, that no infinity exists in reality.

It's not just that none exists, it is impossible that one could exist.

Learn it, or live stupid.

(I will cover all wagers - he chooses the latter)

Since: May 10

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#1163 Dec 2, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Like you and me, Hazem is descended from the Supraprimates.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euarchontoglires
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No, Tinky.

There was a train wreck and you fell out of a hobo's ass.

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#1164 Dec 2, 2013
Quadratus wrote:
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The God I worship, the One I believe is the true God, as represented in the Bible, does not lightly forgive any sin. He Only forgives those He saves from sin. If you reject His salvation from sin - you need more than luck.
I think it’s hilarious how every single monotheistic god worshipper thinks their god is the one true god. As has every single monotheist since Pharaoh Akhenaten had a crazy idea about the sun.

No evidence, no proof whatsoever and absolutely no chance of confirming the claim and yet the claim is made without reservation. Sounds a bid dodgey and weak minded to me.

Nope what you need is morality, real morality, not threats that anyone who does not follow your bronze age myth of power to the priests is going to burn in the hell of your imagination

Salvation from sin, what does this mean? Does this mean that paedophile priest, those guilty of genocide, child murderers and rapists will get to your version of heaven because they say a prayer or two (and psychologically mean it because they are sh|t scared of their own imagination). Honey if that’s the sort of two faced barbaric criminal you like to welcome to your heaven you are welcome to it.

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#1165 Dec 2, 2013
Quadratus wrote:
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How does one grow past infinite? Thats the point, if there is a Creator God, reason demands that He be bigger and more powerful than theuniverse He created. How does such a huge holiness pass over sin? You forgive someone for lying to you because you dont see lying as all that bad. In your small holiness you dont forgive someone for murdering people - because you dont murder. Its bad to you. With infinite holiness all sin is bad. And unforgivable. How does that kind of holiness grow up?
Your god cannot be infinite (certainly not as described in Revelation 19:6) because you exist.

E=MC^2, a fundamental fact of life in the atomic domain and you live in the atomic domain.

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#1166 Dec 2, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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where I live the sun is Almost out the whole year, we nearly notice the full four seasons, I think the weather is the best and the only good thing we have in here.
I have plans to get married but still couldn't find the right girl if you know what I mean, how about you ?!
Yup it’s kind of hard to find the right girl when you won’t socialise with those of the female persuasion.

Since: Oct 13

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#1167 Dec 2, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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You really have no understanding of anywhere except the middle east do you?…Dream on, the magic word is freedom and your faith does not understand its consequences or power.
Check my previous response.
ChristineM wrote:
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The Jewish faith is pretty mainstream in the country now called Israel. And although it’s a more exclusive god club than yours there is no problem in converting to Judaism so don’t lie. You want citations please ask.
I really think that you cannot be considered as a true Jewish unless you had a Jewish mother, you may live in Israel but wouldn't have all the rights, Are you sure that anyone can become a Jew ?!!
ChristineM wrote:
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No way that short of massacre* will Islam become mainstream in countries that know freedom.
* It seems that Islamists are good at massacre as a valid means to spread their religion, It’s sure worked for you in the past and is the reason Islam is so prevalent now but those days are long gone.
You are as bad as U.S. christians claiming their church is growing without taking account of the fact that the human population of the world is growing too. Islam has growth at a rate of around 1.8% over the last 10 years and it is true that it is said to be the fasted growing religion however world population is growing by about the same rate of 1.8% and 1.8% of 1.6 billion is a lot less than 1.8% of 7.1 billion. It seems that all religions including Islam are shrinking in real terms.
The actual and true Islam is full of peace not to do a massacre anywhere or to anyone , the fertility rate for Muslims is way higher than others, the fertility rate for Arabs is beyond 2.4, not to mention if we truly started to have up to 4 wives, we'll even get more and more.

in your country alone over 7,000 people convert to Islam a year, Not to mention those who hide their Islam because of fear, Islam is growing again, and guess what, a lot of people converted after 9/11.

8:30 "And [remember, O Muhammad], when those who disbelieved plotted against you to restrain you or kill you or evict you [from Makkah]. But they plan, and Allah plans. And Allah is the best of planners. "

the enemies of Islam spent billions to ruin our reputation but in fact they spread the message of Islam without even knowing it.

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#1168 Dec 2, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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Check my previous response.
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I really think that you cannot be considered as a true Jewish unless you had a Jewish mother, you may live in Israel but wouldn't have all the rights, Are you sure that anyone can become a Jew ?!!
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The actual and true Islam is full of peace not to do a massacre anywhere or to anyone , the fertility rate for Muslims is way higher than others, the fertility rate for Arabs is beyond 2.4, not to mention if we truly started to have up to 4 wives, we'll even get more and more.
in your country alone over 7,000 people convert to Islam a year, Not to mention those who hide their Islam because of fear, Islam is growing again, and guess what, a lot of people converted after 9/11.
8:30 "And [remember, O Muhammad], when those who disbelieved plotted against you to restrain you or kill you or evict you [from Makkah]. But they plan, and Allah plans. And Allah is the best of planners. "
the enemies of Islam spent billions to ruin our reputation but in fact they spread the message of Islam without even knowing it.
Why? you have proven that you know nothing about free, democratic countries and you are not even willing to attempt to understand them.

What you think is irrelevant to the FACTs, yes I am sure, as I said you want citations feel free to ask.

Yes I know that many people say the Quran is a book of peace, that of course shows their selective ignorance and it has never stopped the massacres and the suicide bombing and the hatred of anything not Islamic has it?

Bollocks, the fertility rate is the same, because you are human, however just because you cannot control your breeding is no ones fault but your own.

Yes and in my county alone there are over 50 million people (excluding the rest of the UK), so 7000 is less gnats p|ss in comparison

If that is so regarding 9/11 then it shows that cowardly murder and destruction excite would be muslims, are you surprised?

Nope the Quran and the Islamic massacres throughout history and the 9/11 (and 7/7) bombers ruined the reputation of Islam

We had no need to even try to ruin your reputation,

Since: May 10

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#1169 Dec 2, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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I think it’s hilarious how every single monotheistic god worshipper thinks their god is the one true god. As has every single monotheist since Pharaoh Akhenaten had a crazy idea about the sun.
No evidence, no proof whatsoever and absolutely no chance of confirming the claim and yet the claim is made without reservation. Sounds a bid dodgey and weak minded to me.
Nope what you need is morality, real morality, not threats that anyone who does not follow your bronze age myth of power to the priests is going to burn in the hell of your imagination
Salvation from sin, what does this mean? Does this mean that paedophile priest, those guilty of genocide, child murderers and rapists will get to your version of heaven because they say a prayer or two (and psychologically mean it because they are sh|t scared of their own imagination). Honey if that’s the sort of two faced barbaric criminal you like to welcome to your heaven you are welcome to it.
You find it hilarious??

But you don't seem amused.

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#1170 Dec 2, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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You find it hilarious??
But you don't seem amused.
Honey, you must be deaf as well as blind, it’s absolutely hilarious that you think yours is the only one and every one else is wrong. Shows a complete ignorance of human nature that can only be experience by godbots

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