Richard Dawkins - God is evil, pedophilesa not so bad

Sep 14, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Examiner.com

"The God of the Qur'an is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.

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Dec 1, 2013
 
If your all powerful compassionate god exists, I don't need luck.
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Good luck to ya.

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So Hazem, where are you from?
Jordan-middle east
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Dec 1, 2013
 
Thinking wrote:
If your all powerful compassionate god exists, I don't need luck.
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The God I worship, the One I believe is the true God, as represented in the Bible, does not lightly forgive any sin. He Only forgives those He saves from sin. If you reject His salvation from sin - you need more than luck.
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I am in the northwest corner of the US - Oregon. I am in sales management, what do you do?
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Dec 1, 2013
 
Your god needs to grow up.
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The God I worship, the One I believe is the true God, as represented in the Bible, does not lightly forgive any sin. He Only forgives those He saves from sin. If you reject His salvation from sin - you need more than luck.
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Your god needs to grow up.
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How does one grow past infinite? Thats the point, if there is a Creator God, reason demands that He be bigger and more powerful than theuniverse He created. How does such a huge holiness pass over sin? You forgive someone for lying to you because you dont see lying as all that bad. In your small holiness you dont forgive someone for murdering people - because you dont murder. Its bad to you. With infinite holiness all sin is bad. And unforgivable. How does that kind of holiness grow up?

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I am in the northwest corner of the US - Oregon. I am in sales management, what do you do?
What a good location, I heard the nature there is spectacular.

in what field ?! I have a service and maintenance center for Smart phones and computers, the business is good since we got to solve people problems.
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What a good location, I heard the nature there is spectacular.
in what field ?! I have a service and maintenance center for Smart phones and computers, the business is good since we got to solve people problems.
When the sun comes out I believe this is the most beautiful place on earth. However, the sun comes out about three months a year, during which time it alternates between drizzle and rain. So I am not sure whether it really is that beautiful or if I am
sunshine deprived.
I work in the home decorating business.
Do you have family? Children?
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Your reasoning is very limited.
Georg Cantor explained heirarchies of infinities over a century ago.
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How does one grow past infinite? Thats the point, if there is a Creator God, reason demands that He be bigger and more powerful than theuniverse He created. How does such a huge holiness pass over sin? You forgive someone for lying to you because you dont see lying as all that bad. In your small holiness you dont forgive someone for murdering people - because you dont murder. Its bad to you. With infinite holiness all sin is bad. And unforgivable. How does that kind of holiness grow up?

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No I didnít say so, I said that Good actions are obviously seem to be good to all people, but you are trying to prove that good things are bad and bad things are good, you will never be capable of proving it , even if you spend your whole life doing it.
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of course sex is about procreation Among with other things , but Islam teaches us to put it in the right path and the best way, Who told you that animals donít get married by their own ways..!!!, So many animals have only one partner , some animals even choose a specific partner to procreate with, Most of animals protect their females from other males, in so many types of animals the female get to choose a male to procreate with.
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first of all religion started from the very first day of humans existence, God the creator sent prophets among people with the best teachings and laws that would perfectly suit that time,
my religion say that there isnít even one nation left with no guidance from Allah.
FYI Quran completely agrees with you because it states that alcohol provides health benefits among with other harms, but the harms of alcohol is way more than its benefits .
2:219 ďThey ask you about wine and gambling. Say, "In them is great sin and [yet, some] benefit for people. But their sin is greater than their benefit." And they ask you what they should spend. Say, "The excess [beyond needs]." Thus Allah makes clear to you the verses [of revelation] that you might give thought.ď
I am not trying to prove anything is good or bad, I am showing that everyone, including you, is an individual. Just because you believe having sex outside religion is bad does not mean that the rest of the world thinks itís bad, it just means that you are indoctrinated into a certain belief system, the same goes with alcohol.

I do not really care what Islam teaches, it does not teach me and it does not teach more than 75% of the worlds population. So why are you holding that 75% to account for your belief.

It is true that some (relatively few) animals are monogamous, it is by far the minority. http://www.livescience.com/1135-wild-sex-mono... .

Wrong, religion started as a way to control people a long time after the homo sapiens strain evolved.

Donít talk such utter bollocks, how can religious belief outweigh health benefits?

How can the phrase ďexcess [beyond needs]" be seen as a clear ban on alcohol consumption?

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You are married Ö!!!! You really shocked me I thought you were completely against marriage,
I never questioned your morals, I only discussed the ideas you were trying to promote under the term FREEDOM,Ö
Why would you think that? Is it because you do not really have any concept of the meaning of the word freedom? Freedom under your terms is not freedom but dictatorship.

No you didnít but I am questioning your interpretation of the word morality, morality is a human (and other animals) concept, not a religious concept, they (the religions) simply choose to steal the word and tailor is as an excuse to vomit hatred on those who donít believe like them.

Of course I understand your religion, it really is not difficult to understand that anyone without the will to think for themselves can follow a god book. However as I have been attempting to show you for some weeks there is a thing called freedom of choice and EVERYONE is free to make their own choice, no matter what your religion dictates. This is where it all gets a bit woolly as it does with ALL religions because you have the choice to do things your way, however you seem to be unwilling to allow other people the same privilege. What seems right to you may not seem right to other people. However you claim the morality of your claim of right because you think your god is on your side and so show no consideration to the other persons rights. First off there are over 3700 claimed for gods throughout known history, 2400+ omnipotent one gods and the followers of every single one of them knew without doubt that their god was right. Then there is the fact that I have no god crutch to bolster my morality, any decisions I make are mine alone and hence I will always be a more moral (in the true sense of the word) person than you.

Wrong, most species (if not all) have the ability to choose. They may not choose what you want or even choose in the way you want but thatís just your own intolerance doing the dictating.

I choose to live the way I live with my husband because it is right for us, it has nothing to do with how any god dictates and really you would be surprised, no shocked at some of what we do together Ė hell I even walk in front of him sometimes. Does that make what we do wrong? In your eyes certainly but that has nothing to do with it, You are not me, you are not my husband and neither of us are in any way religious so both you or your god have no say whatsoever in our relationship

No it is not, it is a religious custom that mutilates a male from the way he was born, in your understanding from the way Allah made him. Whassup do you not think that you god got the foreskin idea right? So you must think your god is fallible then?

It may be easier but that does not excuse the fact that the owner for said foreskin had NOT given permission to have it removed.

Oh dear, has no one ever told you that you should never stick your fooking big fat nose into a mothers care for her children? Do not ever try and threaten me with what YOUR religion thinks is best for my son and what he will do because he has the freedom of choice over his own body? That is pure intolerant ignorance of the highest order.

You thick moron, have you actually ever fed a child? Probably not considering that you are macho, better than woman Muslim male so itís beyond your capabilities. I can assure you that if a child does not want to eat vegetables then the person doing the feeding gets a face full of part chewed vegetables, The child has the choice over what they will eat. The same cannot beside for forced circumcision.

In short, that freedom of choice that you choose to steal from a Muslim male child is your decision and you have to justify your own excuses for your barbaric act.

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When the sun comes out I believe this is the most beautiful place on earth. However, the sun comes out about three months a year, during which time it alternates between drizzle and rain. So I am not sure whether it really is that beautiful or if I am
sunshine deprived.
I work in the home decorating business.
Do you have family? Children?
where I live the sun is Almost out the whole year, we nearly notice the full four seasons, I think the weather is the best and the only good thing we have in here.
I have plans to get married but still couldn't find the right girl if you know what I mean, how about you ?!

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Jewish faith will never become mainstream in any country because simply there are only 15 millions Jewish in the whole world and no one can convert to Judaism, so you cannot become a Jew unless you had a Jewish mother on the other hand Islam is the fastest growing religion, depending on Fertility rate, tens of thousands converting to Islam and Muslims immigrants to western countries , Europe for instance needs manpower because the birthrate is low, they need those immigrants that seek to change the religious identity of the continent; so basically itís a matter of time and you will be surrounded by Muslims.
You really have no understanding of anywhere except the middle east do you?ÖDream on, the magic word is freedom and your faith does not understand its consequences or power.

The Jewish faith is pretty mainstream in the country now called Israel. And although itís a more exclusive god club than yours there is no problem in converting to Judaism so donít lie. You want citations please ask.

No way that short of massacre* will Islam become mainstream in countries that know freedom.
* It seems that Islamists are good at massacre as a valid means to spread their religion, Itís sure worked for you in the past and is the reason Islam is so prevalent now but those days are long gone.

You are as bad as U.S. christians claiming their church is growing without taking account of the fact that the human population of the world is growing too. Islam has growth at a rate of around 1.8% over the last 10 years and it is true that it is said to be the fasted growing religion however world population is growing by about the same rate of 1.8% and 1.8% of 1.6 billion is a lot less than 1.8% of 7.1 billion. It seems that all religions including Islam are shrinking in real terms.

The Islamic population of Europe is growing slowly, however so is the general population of Europe (see above). It is projected that by the mid 2030ís the Muslim population of the EU will reach 8%. So are you saying that by the end of the next millennium it should be up around 16%. Ok, I wonít hold my breath for 1000 years or so for the Islamic take over, your faith will have gone the way of the cult of Cybele by then, funnily enough that cult also mutated the male genitalia.

Note: Throughout history every single religion that has existed (except one, Hinduism) has grown, reached a peak and then diminished or is diminishing. And every single one (except Hinduism) during the times of plenty has claimed that their religion is on target to rule the world. Also note that every single one has failed.

I live in the North west of the UK (Lancashire), relatively high Muslim population at about 9 or 10% so I am pretty surrounded by Muslims. However most do not want to take over the world with the iron rod of allah as their weapon of choice. Most simply want to get on with their lives and look after their family and of course the important bit,Ďwhile abiding by the laws of the country they reside iní

Note the manpower to drive Europe seems to be coming from the new EC countries,(eastern Europe) you have no idea of the consternation this is causing in some right wing quarters.

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I am an apostate. If allah claims to be the almighty creator of the universe then he is a liar. In my opinion, I believe he happens to be someone's alter ego. When allah says "we sent down the Koran" what does he mean by "we", are there more than one allah? And you are right, I dont trust the Koran which is full of plagiarizm. The Koran if anything, is an effusion of Mohammad's emotions and a reflection of his ideas. Koran has little merit. Koran is a declamation, repetition, a lack of logic and coherence, and a mediocre piece of literature. Millions of people are wasting time absorbing it.
The orthodox position concerning the collection & codification of the Koran is motivated by dogmatic factors and cannot be supported by historical evidence. Concept of prophethood is an integral tradtion of Middle Eastern culture. All prophets somehow emerged out of the dessert region. Mohammad was the Johnny come lately of the Abrahamic faith.
The Koran incoherent rhapsody of fables, plagiarized from pre-Islamic sources. I can show you several examples where authors have borrowed narratives from ancient rabbinical and Xtian literature. I do not rely on non-muslim sources for anything, I only read the Koran and I ask questions. I also read tafsirs, but I do not rely on them either because they were all written by 13th and 14th century scholars.
I'm curious, MooMoo.

Do you pronounce "Mahmood" by making that sound like your hocking up a big bolus of snot in your throat?

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I have plans to get married but still couldn't find the right girl if you know what I mean,...?!
Well, Hazel. It might be that dried goat shit stuck in your beard.

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I am not trying to prove anything is good or bad, I am showing that everyone, including you, is an individual. Just because you believe having sex outside religion is bad does not mean that the rest of the world thinks itís bad, it just means that you are indoctrinated into a certain belief system, the same goes with alcohol.
Lets put my religion aside and think of the consequences of having sex before and outside marriage; We cannot ignore the fact that sex is the number one source of STDS, We Cannot ignore the fact that sex makes having a long term relationship more difficult, We cannot ignore the fact that sex may lower your self esteem, we cannot ignore the fact that sex before and outside marriage may hunt you in your future relationships in some cases , some studies show that sex may cause depression.

you completely have the freedom to choice, Islam only tells you what is right and what is wrong and show you the right path to follow.

88:21 "So remind,[O Muhammad]; you are only a reminder.
88:22 You are not over them a controller."

Sharia laws can only be applied when all other parts of the religion were delivered perfectly and already applied in the community such as the ease of marriage, Zakkah and many more..., even under sharia law people would still have the freedom of choice, because common who have sex in front of 4 witnesses ..!! so most of the rules and punishments would be applied only under full confession.

Alcohol is pretty much the same case.
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I do not really care what Islam teaches, it does not teach me and it does not teach more than 75% of the worlds population.
Well, you heard about it and the warnings were delivered to you now you have the choice to whether follow it or follow your lusts, that is the the actual test.
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Wrong, religion started as a way to control people a long time after the homo sapiens strain evolved.
different prophets and messengers were sent to deliver different teachings and messages that would suit people needs and guarantee their survival, There is a hadith says that 124,000 prophets were sent by the creator starting from the first day of mankind till Mohammed the last prophet and messenger.
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Donít talk such utter bollocks, how can religious belief outweigh health benefits?
How can the phrase ďexcess [beyond needs]" be seen as a clear ban on alcohol consumption?
You said that alcohol may have some benefits I said that we already know that, because the verse clearly says "In them is great sin and [yet, some] benefit for people "

2:219 "They ask you about wine and gambling. Say, "In them is great sin and [yet, some] benefit for people. But their sin is greater than their benefit." And they ask you what they should spend. Say, "The excess [beyond needs]." Thus Allah makes clear to you the verses [of revelation] that you might give thought."

The ban of alcohol is in another verse and hadiths.

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Your reasoning is very limited.
Georg Cantor explained heirarchies of infinities over a century ago.
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And I explained to you, Tinky, that no infinity exists in reality.

It's not just that none exists, it is impossible that one could exist.

Learn it, or live stupid.

(I will cover all wagers - he chooses the latter)

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Like you and me, Hazem is descended from the Supraprimates.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euarchontoglires
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No, Tinky.

There was a train wreck and you fell out of a hobo's ass.

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The God I worship, the One I believe is the true God, as represented in the Bible, does not lightly forgive any sin. He Only forgives those He saves from sin. If you reject His salvation from sin - you need more than luck.
I think itís hilarious how every single monotheistic god worshipper thinks their god is the one true god. As has every single monotheist since Pharaoh Akhenaten had a crazy idea about the sun.

No evidence, no proof whatsoever and absolutely no chance of confirming the claim and yet the claim is made without reservation. Sounds a bid dodgey and weak minded to me.

Nope what you need is morality, real morality, not threats that anyone who does not follow your bronze age myth of power to the priests is going to burn in the hell of your imagination

Salvation from sin, what does this mean? Does this mean that paedophile priest, those guilty of genocide, child murderers and rapists will get to your version of heaven because they say a prayer or two (and psychologically mean it because they are sh|t scared of their own imagination). Honey if thatís the sort of two faced barbaric criminal you like to welcome to your heaven you are welcome to it.

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How does one grow past infinite? Thats the point, if there is a Creator God, reason demands that He be bigger and more powerful than theuniverse He created. How does such a huge holiness pass over sin? You forgive someone for lying to you because you dont see lying as all that bad. In your small holiness you dont forgive someone for murdering people - because you dont murder. Its bad to you. With infinite holiness all sin is bad. And unforgivable. How does that kind of holiness grow up?
Your god cannot be infinite (certainly not as described in Revelation 19:6) because you exist.

E=MC^2, a fundamental fact of life in the atomic domain and you live in the atomic domain.

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