Richard Dawkins - God is evil, pedophilesa not so bad

Sep 14, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Examiner.com

"The God of the Qur'an is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.

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you can free slaves by buying them from others to set them free, so the penalty rules can work even if you dont have a slave.
As you can only sleep with slaves you own it has to be acceptable for Muslims to own slaves.
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It wasn't Jesus Fault maybe because the scriptures were written in Hebrew and other languages and were miss translated, besides there is a high responsibility for others to misuse the message of Christianity for their interests, political interests precisely.
How can it not be Jesus fault his message was corrupted when all he needed to do was make many copies of his message? One copy might be lost or mistranslated but not many.
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The Quran was impossible to be fabricated or manipulated because it was revealed in Arabic and still with the same original language even after 1400 years
Irrelevant. If it's just man made (as I believe) to begin with then it doesn't matter how accurately it's been preserved.
And there are hadiths claiming it's incomplete.

Sahih Muslim Book 17. Punishments Prescribed By Islam
Bismillah-Hir-Rahman-Nir-Rahee m
Chapter : Stoning of a married adulterer.

... He sent down the Book upon him, and the verse of stoning was included in what was sent down to him. We recited it, retained it in our memory and understood it. Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) awarded the punishment of stoning to death (to the married adulterer and adulteress) and, after him, we also awarded the punishment of stoning, I am afraid that with the lapse of time, the people (may forget it) and may say: We do not find the punishment of stoning in the Book of Allah, and thus go astray by abandoning this duty prescribed by Allah. Stoning is a duty laid down in Allah's Book for married men and women who commit adultery when proof is established, or it there is pregnancy, or a confession.
http://hadithcollection.com/sahihmuslim/145-S...
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More BS from muslim doctors with butchered penises.

Assad is a muslim doctor.
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Actually we didn't get our information from a bronze age scripture,
we knew it recently from your doctors who highly encourage circumcision.
the sensitivity has nothing to do with the foreskin, the foreskin doesn't generate anti bacterial agents its a very good place for bacteria to grow and FYI that foreskin also reduces the pleasure for both the male and the female during sex.

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Irrelevant. If it's just man made (as I believe) to begin with then it doesn't matter how accurately it's been preserved.
And there are hadiths claiming it's incomplete.
Sahih Muslim Book 17. Punishments Prescribed By Islam
Bismillah-Hir-Rahman-Nir-Rahee m
Chapter : Stoning of a married adulterer.
... He sent down the Book upon him, and the verse of stoning was included in what was sent down to him. We recited it, retained it in our memory and understood it. Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) awarded the punishment of stoning to death (to the married adulterer and adulteress) and, after him, we also awarded the punishment of stoning, I am afraid that with the lapse of time, the people (may forget it) and may say: We do not find the punishment of stoning in the Book of Allah, and thus go astray by abandoning this duty prescribed by Allah. Stoning is a duty laid down in Allah's Book for married men and women who commit adultery when proof is established, or it there is pregnancy, or a confession.
http://hadithcollection.com/sahihmuslim/145-S...
Wow man, you found out about this Hadith of Umar Bin Khattab , there is a complicated methox of explaining verses called AL-NASIKH WA AL-MANSUKH Science, if you really want to understand Al Nasikh wa Al Mansukh you gotta ask a specialized scholar, Al NASIKH WA AL-MANSUKH is mainly about putting a verse instead of a Hadith or a A Hadith instead of A Verse.

The Quran on Naskh The principle of naskh (abrogation) is referred to in the Quran itself and is not a later historical development:

2:106 "None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause it to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: knowest thou that God has power over all things? "

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If you wanted to know more about Al NASIKH WA AL MANSUKH you can check out thise article
http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php... -(al-Nasikh-wal-Mansukh)

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Thinking wrote:
If your god is good, I'll be just fine then.
There is no need for me to take up arms because a supposedly all powerful being doesn't need my help.
There is no need to make my wife wear a bag on her head because that really isn't needed to make a supposedly all powerful being's magic work.
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of course your god and my god is good, but I am not sure if you'll be fine because that god gave you a mind to use, he is merciful but also severe in penalty.

5:98 "Know that Allah is severe in penalty and that Allah is Forgiving and Merciful. "

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More BS from muslim doctors with butchered penises.
Assad is a muslim doctor.
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who is Assad ?!

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All religions cover all aspects of life because people ask prophets, gurus and priests about every aspect of life and they have to give answers.
Ok, here's a question. What's the purpose of life? I've yet to read an answer I that makes any sense.
In Islam its different because scholars and imams cannot give answers without evidences and clues from the Quran and/or hadiths of Mohammed, its not like an imam can come up with his own answer, he has to do it depending on a specific method and criteria.

the purpose of life can be found in Quran and in some hadiths;
51:56 "And I did not create the jinn and mankind except to worship Me.
51 :57 "I do not want from them any provision, nor do I want them to feed Me.Indeed, it is Allah who is the [continual] Provider, the firm possessor of strength "

67:2 "[He] who created death and life to test you [as to] which of you is best in deed - and He is the Exalted in Might, the Forgiving "

we have to understand the meaning of worshiping god, worshiping god isnt only about praying, when you worship god the creator you know that "If the whole of mankind gathered to do some thing to help us, they could not help in anything which Allah had not already written for us. And if the whole of mankind gathered together to harm us, then they would not be able to harm with anything which Allah had not already written for us." Hadith

when you worship the creator you know that he is all hearing and all seeing thus you'll live your life according to his rules in order to survive in this life and the afterlife
"There is nothing like him, and he is the hearer and seer of all."

Allah is merciful because he created the mankind with a great sense to know the difference between right and wrong.

91:7-10
And [by] the soul and He who proportioned it
And inspired it [with discernment of] its wickedness and its righteousness
He has succeeded who purifies it
And he has failed who instills it [with corruption].

So basically Allah created mankind to worship him Although he doesn't need our worshiping , he even made it so easy for humans to believe because they already have the sense of knowing right from wrong, besides worshiping makes your current life easier and better in all aspects, it even makes the whole world better and also guarantee your survival in the after life.

2:30 "And [mention, O Muhammad], when your Lord said to the angels, "Indeed, I will make upon the earth a successive authority." They said, "Will You place upon it one who causes corruption therein and sheds blood, while we declare Your praise and sanctify You?" Allah said, "Indeed, I know that which you do not know."
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If you wanted to know more about Al NASIKH WA AL MANSUKH you can check out thise article
http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php... -(al-Nasikh-wal-Mansukh)
Thank you Brother Salawi for a very useful information.
May Allah SWT Bless you for that.
JZK.
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Religion = superstition
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Your neighbour.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bashar_al-Assad
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who is Assad ?!
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Maybe your god rewards non believers better than sycophants like you.

You can't disprove this.
hazem selawi wrote:
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of course your god and my god is good, but I am not sure if you'll be fine because that god gave you a mind to use, he is merciful but also severe in penalty.
5:98 "Know that Allah is severe in penalty and that Allah is Forgiving and Merciful. "
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If I believe in God and I am wrong then I will never know it and neither will you. If you do not believe in God and you are wrong then you will suffer eternally by being separated from God. As Jesus concluded his prayers in the garden by saying "your will be done", God will say to unbelievers in the end, "your will be done". Islam is part of a Satanic deception. It is inherently evil. When Christianity has been misapplied it has been evil as well but only when wrongly understood and applied. Islam in its very foundation has been evil.
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Maybe your god rewards non believers better than sycophants.

You can't disprove this.
The Gambler wrote:
If I believe in God and I am wrong then I will never know it and neither will you. If you do not believe in God and you are wrong then you will suffer eternally by being separated from God. As Jesus concluded his prayers in the garden by saying "your will be done", God will say to unbelievers in the end, "your will be done". Islam is part of a Satanic deception. It is inherently evil. When Christianity has been misapplied it has been evil as well but only when wrongly understood and applied. Islam in its very foundation has been evil.

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I am not worshiping stones and statues, we only worship who is worthy of worshiping which is the creator of everything, how is does that seem ignorant to you ?!!
Because your creator is a figment of your imagination just like their idols were.
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I dont discuss people actions, its not islam's fault, I only care about Quranic teachings and authentic teachings and hadiths of Mohammed.
You just discussed people's actions when you said that Islam set in forth the abolishment of slavery and when you said that Islam abolished slavery before Christianity. Both statements were lies.
The Quran allow and encouraged slavery.
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check my previous response.
Your previous response was a lie.
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Even if we have Usmanís Koran, how do we verify that Usmanís Koran is authentic? Islamic politics became dirty as soon as Mohammad took his last breath. How sincere Usman was in his endeavour remains in doubt. No hard evidence for the existence of the Koran in any form before the last decade of the 7th CE. There is no cogent ground for accepting Islamic traditions. The Koran is strikingly lacking in overall structure, frequently obscure and inconsequential in both language.

No corroborative evidence to substantiate the claim that the Koran existed in its present form during the 7th century. The orthodox position concerning the collection & codification of the Koran is motivated by dogmatic factors and cannot be supported by historical evidence. Truth does not demand belief. Truth has merits on its own.
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Thinking wrote:
Maybe your god rewards non believers better than sycophants.
You can't disprove this.
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There is nothing to disprove. This is nonsense and not based any reasoning or truth. The bible is very clear on who is and who is not to expect eternal damnation. In Islam one never knows until death. But anyone can know.
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Maybe your god rewards non believers better than sycophants.
You can't disprove this.
This position is more reasonable than a slavish belief in an eternal hell.
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There is nothing to disprove. This is nonsense and not based any reasoning or truth. The bible is very clear on who is and who is not to expect eternal damnation. In Islam one never knows until death. But anyone can know.

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Thank you Brother Salawi for a very useful information.
May Allah SWT Bless you for that.
JZK.
Al Salamo alaikum Mujahid, Al Nasekh Wa Al Mansukh is not as easy as it looks, its really complicated, you gotta listen to a trusted scholar or Imam to understand it perfectly.

howz life going with you ?!
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Dirty Islamic Politics:

As soon as Mohammad took his last breath, Islamic politics got dirty. Umar and Abu Bakr in one camp, the Ansars in the other, and then there was the prophets household. Each one of these groups were jostling for power. Islamic tradition states that when Ali Ibn Abi Taleb refused to swear allegiance to Abu Bakr, Umar came to his house threatening to cut his head off. Another tradition states that he broke open the door injuring Fatima (prophet's daughter) resulting in her miscarriage.

Saad Ibn Ubadah an ailing leader of the Ansars refused to give oath of allegiance to Abu Bakr and so did Ali ibn Abi Talib. Some years later, the prophets favourite wife Aisha & Ali fought one another in a bloody battle. Pre-Islamic mode of authority surfaced immediately after Mohammadís death when some of his followers invoked an erstwhile tribal procedure for the selection of a chief. Convening of the tribal council and the selection of Abu Bakr was the re-emergence of pre-Islamic polity.

Shia theory of succession is even narrower and more restricted than that of the Sunni. The Shia also believe that only a person of Arab descent can claim leadership of the Muslim community. In their doctrine, the Arab cannot be any Arab but must prove to be a direct descendant of the Prophetís family from his daughter Fatima. Is it any surprise the Supreme Leaders of Iran have all been men claiming to have Arab ancestry, not Persian?

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Your neighbour.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bashar_al-Assad
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Hahaha Assad of Syria Al Shaytan Al Akbar !!!, unfortunately the situation in Syria is really Fu!!ed up, we no longer can tell who is right and who is wrong, Bashar Al Assad is a Secular, he has nothing to do with Islam while the other party the Syrian opposition or what is called "the free army" is divided into tens of sects and they all claim to be good Muslims although they obviously broke almost every rule in Islam.

we only have theories about what is happening in there, its a big fuc!!ing show, what do you think about the situation there ?!

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