Richard Dawkins - God is evil, pedophilesa not so bad

Sep 14, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Examiner.com

"The God of the Qur'an is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.

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So where does a morally upright atheist go when he dies?
Oklahoma with Bob the Quantum-Bot?

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A person owned by another is a slave by definition.
If slaves were soon freed then slavery would have ended centuries ago but it still existed into the 20th century and most of those slaves were captives rather than prisoners of war.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_slave_trade...
you are right, but Islam came down on time where slavery was an ordinary thing, so things were supposed to be taken care of gradually, at First Islam encouraged its followers to free slaves by telling them how noble thing it is and by promising them of numerous rewards in the after life.
Second- Islam has numerous rules and teachings to treat slaves very well and to feed them with the same food you eat and to dress them from your own clothes and also to pray with them in the mosque as an ordinary people in the community, So it made it easier for people to understand that slaves are just like us.
third- the Quran and Sunnah state that the penalty of numerous actions is to free your slave and if you didnít have one you had to go and buy a slave and set him free, many of these actions can happen hundreds of time in a normal person life.
Fourth- its not Mohammed nor Islamís fault if muslims didnít follow the Islamic and quranic teachings correctly and perfectly, I donít discuss peopleís actions, I only discuss the true religion and its obvious teachings and rules.
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Hindu Gods produced many miracles yet you don't believe in them.
Could it be because you think those stories are inventions?
There's a serious lack of evidence for miracles. For example not one Roman or Rabbi of Jerusalem ever recorded anyone being cured by Jesus.
The Quran and my religion state that Allah sent so many prophets from the beginning of humans existence, unfortunately so many religions was changed and fabricated , we can easily tell so by using logic, the thing is that different times mean different teachings and different rules, thus different teachings and different messages with the same core should be sent according to the time to show people the right path, I think that all religions have the same source which is Allah the creator, Budha for instance may be a prophet according to some scholars opinion because his teachings have so many mutual things with Islam but unfortunately people lost his way and started to worship Budha instead of worshiping the creator, Jesus may be the same case because people lost the true message and started worshipping Him instead of worshiping the creator who chose him to show his people the right path.
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The Quran clearly states that anyone who thinks Jesus is the son of God is guilty of idolatry and will thus burn in hell. That's nearly all Christians. So you should believe that too.
Yes of course I Believe in that too, but each case should be dealt with on its own, because some people received Islam distorted, some have never even heard of Islam, but the act of worshiping someone other than god the creator is unforgivable.

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I've read the Quran twice. It should be impressive even after translation but I wasn't impressed.
I might have been impressed if all over the world and through out time the same basic beliefs existed, but instead everywhere has different beliefs. Islam is a very simple religion, one God, heaven, hell and the resurrection. That should survive even the most determined attempts at corruption. Instead it just comes down to the word of one man and that's not enough.
if you read quran accuretly you would notice that Allah chose a lot of people (prophets ) to show other the right path, but as I previously mentioned the teachings and rules of each message may be different because times and locations are different, but most of the religions we still have these days at least share the same core, what if the full message of Islam as we have today was sent 5000 thousands year ago, would people accept the fact that they can have only up to 4 wives ?!! would they accept that there are specific rules of inheritance ?! would they accept the rule of zakat ?! would they accept to treat their slaves in a good way or to free them ? would they accept the prohibition of Alcohol ?! we have to understand the changes and improvements of humans through history.

Why was Mohamed the last prophet?! Because his religion covers each aspect in life and can be applied easily till the end of days. Any question has an answer in Islam, just name it.

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In any other circumstances other than religious dogma the perpetrators would be imprisoned. This is perhaps one of the major reasons why your faith and the Jewish faith will never become mainstream in countries that understand freedom.
Jewish faith will never become mainstream in any country because simply there are only 15 millions Jewish in the whole world and no one can convert to Judaism, so you cannot become a Jew unless you had a Jewish mother on the other hand Islam is the fastest growing religion, depending on Fertility rate, tens of thousands converting to Islam and Muslims immigrants to western countries , Europe for instance needs manpower because the birthrate is low, they need those immigrants that seek to change the religious identity of the continent; so basically itís a matter of time and you will be surrounded by Muslims.
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I think You can find the original and first copy of Quran in Istanbul -Turkey in a Museum, I am not sure but the first copy is dafinetly available.
The Topkapi & Samarkand copies date back to early 9th century. The earliest manuscripts we know of are the Sana (Yemen)fragments which date back early 8th century. There is not a single copy of the Koran dating back to 632 AD.

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The Topkapi & Samarkand copies date back to early 9th century. The earliest manuscripts we know of are the Sana (Yemen)fragments which date back early 8th century. There is not a single copy of the Koran dating back to 632 AD.
take a look at a Printed Copy of First Holy Quran of Caliph Uthman Bin Affan, its held at the topkapi palace in turkey
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you are right, but Islam came down on time where slavery was an ordinary thing, so things were supposed to be taken care of gradually, at First Islam encouraged its followers to free slaves by telling them how noble thing it is and by promising them of numerous rewards in the after life.
Second- Islam has numerous rules and teachings to treat slaves very well and to feed them with the same food you eat and to dress them from your own clothes and also to pray with them in the mosque as an ordinary people in the community, So it made it easier for people to understand that slaves are just like us.
third- the Quran and Sunnah state that the penalty of numerous actions is to free your slave and if you didnít have one you had to go and buy a slave and set him free, many of these actions can happen hundreds of time in a normal person life.
Fourth- its not Mohammed nor Islamís fault if muslims didnít follow the Islamic and quranic teachings correctly and perfectly, I donít discuss peopleís actions, I only discuss the true religion and its obvious teachings and rules.
The Quran may encourage the freeing of slaves but of course you can't free slaves unless you have slaves in the first place and the Quran clearly states a man can have sex with his slaves.
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The Quran and my religion state that Allah sent so many prophets from the beginning of humans existence, unfortunately so many religions was changed and fabricated , we can easily tell so by using logic, the thing is that different times mean different teachings and different rules, thus different teachings and different messages with the same core should be sent according to the time to show people the right path, I think that all religions have the same source which is Allah the creator, Budha for instance may be a prophet according to some scholars opinion because his teachings have so many mutual things with Islam but unfortunately people lost his way and started to worship Budha instead of worshiping the creator, Jesus may be the same case because people lost the true message and started worshipping Him instead of worshiping the creator who chose him to show his people the right path.
I just don't believe the basic message of Islam couldn't survive uncorrupted.
We have multiple religions because many different people from all over the world invented them.
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Yes of course I Believe in that too, but each case should be dealt with on its own, because some people received Islam distorted, some have never even heard of Islam, but the act of worshiping someone other than god the creator is unforgivable.
If Jesus had written down or had a scribe write down his message and had had multiple copies made and distributed to his followers then his message would never have been corrupted. That Jesus failed in such a simple task is all the evidence I need to reject the idea he was a messenger of any religion.

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I really wonder why do you defend those people ??! you really should read about their history, of course they didnít welcome that religion, they had over 365 idols to worship, they were swimming in ignorance.
They were as equally ignorant in their beliefs as you are.
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Islam dealt with the slavery issue, it was a very big issue 1400 years ago, slavery was a normal thing that time, so Islam solved that problem Gradually,,
Islam did not deal rightly with the slave issue. In fact, contrary to your lies, slavery increased under the Sultans and Caliphs.
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<quoted text>so Islam started to put specific rules for slavery which eventually will stop slavery within a very short period of time, you have to remember that Islam ended slavery centuries before western countries,
You are a liar. Islam did not end slavery until the Brits pressured them to do so in 1800s. Saudi Arabia did not abolish it until the 1960s. When the Ottomans Turks, under British pressure, abolished slavery in the 1800s, the ruler of Mecca refused to abide by the rule because he said that the sultan had n right to ban what is not banned by the quran and that slavery was legal in the quran.
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I wash better than someone from the 600s.

Circumcision removes a lot of sensitivity and therefore control, but I guess your culture isn't interested in how the woman will feel.

The foreskin generates a lot of anti bacterial agents, but religitards think foreskins are dirty because they get their information from bronze age scripture.
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You cannot say all wrong, you cannot ignore the fact that Circumcision have various health benefits, you cannot ignore the fact that urinating while sitting guarantees a better hygiene as we previously discussed , you cannot ignore the fact that washing after Sh!!ing is a must, its very good that now you know how to wash using modern methods, for me some of these methods isn't modern at all, its 1400 years old.
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I saw a bunch of imams praying 24x7 in Topkapi over mohammed's alleged actual whiskers. It made me think of all those catholic saint's fingers and assorted viscera. Some of those saints must have had over fifty fingers.
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I think You can find the original and first copy of Quran in Istanbul -Turkey in a Museum, I am not sure but the first copy is dafinetly available.
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If your god is good, I'll be just fine then.

There is no need for me to take up arms because a supposedly all powerful being doesn't need my help.

There is no need to make my wife wear a bag on her head because that really isn't needed to make a supposedly all powerful being's magic work.
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I don't get to decide who goes to hell and who goes to heaven, I think it depends on the case and everyone will be questioned for his/her actions starting from the very same day he started to know the difference between right and wrong.
To be honest I dont actually believe that there are true atheists who really deny the existence of a creator, you may have decided to leave Christianity because you couldn't understand it or couldn't believe the spiritual message in it, you may have received Islam distorted or you may haven't received or heard about it at all.
I cannot tell who goes to hell and who goes to heaven at the day of judgment, but I can assure you one thing which is the creator is Just, merciful and forgiving and will never be unjust to anyone.
this verse talks about hell
67:8
"It almost bursts with rage. Every time a company is thrown into it, its keepers ask them, "Did there not come to you a warner?"
This verse confirms that noone will go to hell unless he was warned by a warner.
So where do you stand from this equation ?!!

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if you read quran accuretly you would notice that Allah chose a lot of people (prophets ) to show other the right path, but as I previously mentioned the teachings and rules of each message may be different because times and locations are different, but most of the religions we still have these days at least share the same core, what if the full message of Islam as we have today was sent 5000 thousands year ago, would people accept the fact that they can have only up to 4 wives ?!! would they accept that there are specific rules of inheritance ?! would they accept the rule of zakat ?! would they accept to treat their slaves in a good way or to free them ? would they accept the prohibition of Alcohol ?! we have to understand the changes and improvements of humans through history.
I can't think of a single ruling from the Quran that couldn't have been preached 5000 years ago including all those examples you gave.
It's only in the last few hundred years the society has really changed.

The religions of the world are different. They disagree over everything. Are there Gods, how many, is there an afterlife, reincarnation, what do the God s actually want from us?
The basics of Islam are very simple. They should have survived.
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Why was Mohamed the last prophet?! Because his religion covers each aspect in life and can be applied easily till the end of days. Any question has an answer in Islam, just name it.
All religions cover all aspects of life because people ask prophets, gurus and priests about every aspect of life and they have to give answers.

Ok, here's a question. What's the purpose of life? I've yet to read an answer I that makes any sense.

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Igor Trip wrote:
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The Quran may encourage the freeing of slaves but of course you can't free slaves unless you have slaves in the first place and the Quran clearly states a man can have sex with his slaves.
you can free slaves by buying them from others to set them free, so the penalty rules can work even if you dont have a slave.
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If Jesus had written down or had a scribe write down his message and had had multiple copies made and distributed to his followers then his message would never have been corrupted. That Jesus failed in such a simple task is all the evidence I need to reject the idea he was a messenger of any religion.
It wasn't Jesus Fault maybe because the scriptures were written in Hebrew and other languages and were miss translated, besides there is a high responsibility for others to misuse the message of Christianity for their interests, political interests precisely.

The Quran was impossible to be fabricated or manipulated because it was revealed in Arabic and still with the same original language even after 1400 years
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I don't get to decide who goes to hell and who goes to heaven, I think it depends on the case and everyone will be questioned for his/her actions starting from the very same day he started to know the difference between right and wrong.
To be honest I dont actually believe that there are true atheists who really deny the existence of a creator, you may have decided to leave Christianity because you couldn't understand it or
couldn't believe the spiritual message in it, you may have received Islam distorted or you may haven't received or heard about it at all.
I cannot tell who goes to hell and who goes to heaven at the day of judgment, but I can assure you one thing which is the creator is Just, merciful and forgiving and will never be unjust to anyone.
this verse talks about hell
67:8
"It almost bursts with rage. Every time a company is thrown into it, its keepers ask them, "Did there
not come to you a warner?"
This verse confirms that noone will go to hell unless he was warned by a warner.
So where do you stand from this equation ?!!
My view on hell is harsher than yours. I believe that God is infinitely holy. That He does not tolerate sin at all. That all sin will be punished eternally. Either one will bear his own punishment, or his sin will be punished through the sacrifice of the Savior, Jesus Christ. That salvation from sin comes only through faith in Jesus Christ as the Son of God, and the Savior.

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They were as equally ignorant in their beliefs as you are.
I am not worshiping stones and statues, we only worship who is worthy of worshiping which is the creator of everything, how is does that seem ignorant to you ?!!
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Islam did not deal rightly with the slave issue. In fact, contrary to your lies, slavery increased under the Sultans and Caliphs.

I dont discuss people actions, its not islam's fault, I only care about Quranic teachings and authentic teachings and hadiths of Mohammed.
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You are a liar. Islam did not end slavery until the Brits pressured them to do so in 1800s. Saudi Arabia did not abolish it until the 1960s. When the Ottomans Turks, under British pressure, abolished slavery in the 1800s, the ruler of Mecca refused to abide by the rule because he said that the sultan had n right to ban what is not banned by the quran and that slavery was legal in the quran.
check my previous response.

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I wash better than someone from the 600s.
Circumcision removes a lot of sensitivity and therefore control, but I guess your culture isn't interested in how the woman will feel.
The foreskin generates a lot of anti bacterial agents, but religitards think foreskins are dirty because they get their information from bronze age scripture.
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Actually we didn't get our information from a bronze age scripture,
we knew it recently from your doctors who highly encourage circumcision.
the sensitivity has nothing to do with the foreskin, the foreskin doesn't generate anti bacterial agents its a very good place for bacteria to grow and FYI that foreskin also reduces the pleasure for both the male and the female during sex.
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Igor Trip wrote:
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The Quran may encourage the freeing of slaves but of course you can't free slaves unless you have slaves in the first place and the Quran clearly states a man can have sex with his slaves.
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I just don't believe the basic message of Islam couldn't survive uncorrupted.
We have multiple religions because many different people from all over the world invented them.
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If Jesus had written down or had a scribe write
down his message and had had multiple copies made and distributed to his followers then his message would never have been corrupted. That Jesus failed in such a simple task is all the evidence I need to reject the idea he was a messenger of any religion.
I think you assume some here, Igor. I believe that Jesus did write down His message, that it was disseminated early enough and widely enough to make it uncorruptible.
If Jesus did rise from the dead, and send His Holy Spirit to inspire His apostles to write His complete teachings accurately - then He wrote the New Testament.
That it was widely disseminated after that is certain. The early church was very mission minded, and sent copies of the gospels with their missionaries. Very quickly there were copies that were copied which were themselves copied throughout the world.
Now, two thousand years later, we find fourth and fifth generation copies from all over. The Bogomil copies from Russia agree with the copies from England, which agree with the copies from Egypt.
That strongly states that we can know the certainty of the message of Jesus.

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Thinking wrote:
I saw a bunch of imams praying 24x7 in Topkapi over mohammed's alleged actual whiskers. It made me think of all those catholic saint's fingers and assorted viscera. Some of those saints must have had over fifty fingers.
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those Imams you saw were praying for Allah not over Mohammeds whiskers , FYI Saudis destroyed Mohammed's house in Mekkah, because we dont care about these things, we only follow teachings of Mohammed and respect and love him for delivering the message thats all, and its clear that all humans are servants to one god Allah the creator.
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I saw a bunch of imams praying 24x7 in Topkapi over mohammed's alleged actual whiskers. It made me think of all those catholic saint's fingers and assorted viscera. Some of those saints must have had over fifty fingers.
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Can you imagine what life was like back in those days, epecially where personal hygine mattered? No showers, no soap, scarcity of water in the dessert, and travelling on camels for days on end in the gruelling heat. No wonder someone came up with a brillant idea (bronze age technology ofcourse), of travelling between cities on horse with a female's head named Baraq - not Jumbo Jet. The almighty creator and sustainer of the universe 1400 years back, had no clue about air travel.
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take a look at a Printed Copy of First Holy Quran of Caliph Uthman Bin Affan, its held at the topkapi palace in turkey
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Neither the Topkapi or the Samarkand copies date back to Usman. Please do you research before you write such rubbish. Both those copies date back to early 8th century. This fact has been acknowledged by the Islamic Awareness team as well.

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