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"The God of the Qur'an is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.

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Thinking

Merthyr Tydfil, UK

#1063 Nov 29, 2013
All wrong. Mind you, I know how to wash using modern methods.
hazem selawi wrote:
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Then I am so glad that I was abused by my parents because it was proved that circumcision have various health benefits such as; Easier hygiene, Decreased risk of urinary tract infections, Decreased risk of sexually transmitted infections, Prevention of penile problems, Decreased risk of penile cancer and many more, just Google the benefits of circumcision.

“Be strong ...”

Since: Nov 10

...I whispered to my coffee

#1064 Nov 29, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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It would be …
So you say that no one other that a Muslim knows right form wrong? christ on a crutch, you are as bad as christrians hijacking the word morality and claiming it for their own. Morality, the ability for animals, including humans to know right from wrong is far older than religion, without it you would still be living in the stone age and killing everyone you met that weren’t related to – ok wait a moment…

Sorry, you have me confused with someone else, I know no such thing so stop trying to say your god gave you the ability to read minds.

Sex: Sex is nothing to do with marriage, sex is about procreation and (in humans) mutual pleasure. In humans sex is a beautiful thing when done properly, however it can be abused and it seems that many Muslim men are keen on such abuse (see the links I have already provided)

Marriage: What other animals get married other than humans? When was the institution of marriage first conceived? Marriage was born out of jealousy and the male need of ownership and control, nothing more. Priest’s and Imam’s particularly have forced their influence into marriage out of the desire to control and made it a religious institution. Their interference is irrelevant to anyone not of their faith

Alcohol: Humans have been fermenting fruit far longer than any religion you know about ever existed. I know for certain that alcohol was produced in the Neolithic period and there are indications in the Cro-Magnon period at least 38,000 years ago. Why should the modern, 1600 year old interpretation of a bronze age myth spoil peoples health and enjoyment? Yes health, it is scientifically proven that alcohol, in moderation provides health benefits, promotes a healthier heart and longer life. Your scientific quran did not see that one coming eh? However I agree that alcohol in excess is antisocial and dangerous to the abuser and those who cross his/her path.

Having said that, you should know that I am married, our relationship is a full partnership in every sense of the word. I am probably a far more moral person than you will ever be, I would never do anything that effected my husband without his agreement, but this it the big thing, he offers me exactly the same regard. Also I rarely drink alcohol, not because it is against my belief but because I don’t want to. The thing here is that I have freedom of choice

So you are saying that the mutilation of a child in the name of religion is right? wow, you really are twisted, how about carving a big M for Muslim or A for Allah in their forehead at the same time? Now I understand why you condone suicide bombers and ignore the subjugation of women.

Once again you are trying to insult my intelligence, Yes I do know the health benefits of circumcision, and personally I find the shape of a circumcised penis to be more aesthetically pleasing however that is beside the point. FREEDOM OF CHOICE is the term – again, just in case you missed it… freedom of choice. My argument is that a baby does not have that freedom of choice? The baby has not been informed of the procedure nor has he been given the freedom to chose. The mutilation of anyone without their consent (or without sound medical justification) is immoral and barbaric. In any other circumstances other than religious dogma the perpetrators would be imprisoned. This is perhaps one of the major reasons why your faith and the Jewish faith will never become mainstream in countries that understand freedom.

To paraphrase Terry Pratchett,‘Million to one coincidences turn up 9 times out of 10’. Feel free to post as many hundreds as you like and for every coincidence you show I will provide scientific evidence and facts about how that evidence was obtained and I will also provide a quranic contradiction, surely that is something you say cannot exist. Tell me, do you think that lying is moral?
LCNLin

United States

#1065 Nov 29, 2013
Rusty Tin Can wrote:
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here we call that Tax, not charity.
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Interesting logic you have. Couldn't you have concluded that they're already on a "right path" that is other than Islam?
interesting observation - s-eptic has new observations on theology which may amuse.
Mahmood

Peterborough, Canada

#1070 Nov 29, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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The Quran came through 23 years, it was memorized and written down during the life of Mohammed by some of his companions who could read and write (Katabat al Wahi), so when Mohammed died the Quran was already written and memorized and his companion Abu Bakr the first khalif only gathered the papers in one book exactly The same order it was revealed, now if you compare a copy of Quran (Arabic language) in India to another copy in Canda it will be exactly the same, not a single letter will be different.
Hadith of mohammed is a different case because we have different types of Hadith, Authentic, very good and weak, depending on the narrators and numerous other factors.
And where are those papers that were gathered by Abu Bakr? What happened to the original copies of the Koran?

What you are doing is rehashing popular Islamic traditions. What I want to see is a complete copy of the Koran dating back to Mohammad's lifetime. And sure the Koran in India will be the same as the one in Canada because all of us are reading the 1924 Cairo edition of the Koran.

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#1071 Nov 29, 2013
Quadratus wrote:
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So are you saying a person can be a good Muslim without acknowledging Allah or Mohammed?
No thats not what I meant, "THINKING" said that he gladly violate the laws of Islam, while on a way or another he is applying the essence of Islam in his daily life, So obviously he cannot violate the laws of Islam.

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#1072 Nov 29, 2013
Thinking wrote:
All wrong. Mind you, I know how to wash using modern methods.
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You cannot say all wrong, you cannot ignore the fact that Circumcision have various health benefits, you cannot ignore the fact that urinating while sitting guarantees a better hygiene as we previously discussed , you cannot ignore the fact that washing after Sh!!ing is a must, its very good that now you know how to wash using modern methods, for me some of these methods isn't modern at all, its 1400 years old.

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#1073 Nov 29, 2013
Mahmood wrote:
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And where are those papers that were gathered by Abu Bakr? What happened to the original copies of the Koran?
What you are doing is rehashing popular Islamic traditions. What I want to see is a complete copy of the Koran dating back to Mohammad's lifetime. And sure the Koran in India will be the same as the one in Canada because all of us are reading the 1924 Cairo edition of the Koran.
I think You can find the original and first copy of Quran in Istanbul -Turkey in a Museum, I am not sure but the first copy is dafinetly available.
LCNLin

United States

#1074 Nov 29, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Other way around.
Morality predates all religion.
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Interesting to watch you try to prove that?

What about plain Engliah? Yes do use that!
Quadratus

Puyallup, WA

#1075 Nov 29, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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No thats not what I meant, "THINKING" said that he gladly violate the laws of Islam, while on a way or another he is applying the essence of Islam in his daily life, So obviously he cannot violate the laws of Islam.
You lost me. If basic morality is the essence of Islam, couldnt then one be a Muslim if he is simply a genuinely good person? If that is the case, if one is a genuinely good person and an honest atheist, would it follow that he is a Muslim?

Since: Oct 13

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#1076 Nov 29, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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So you say that no one other that a Muslim knows right form wrong? christ on a crutch, you are as bad as christrians hijacking the word morality and claiming it for their own. Morality, the ability for animals, including humans to know right from wrong is far older than religion, without it you would still be living in the stone age and killing everyone you met that weren’t related to – ok wait a moment…
No I didn’t say so, I said that Good actions are obviously seem to be good to all people, but you are trying to prove that good things are bad and bad things are good, you will never be capable of proving it , even if you spend your whole life doing it.
ChristineM wrote:
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Sorry, you have me confused with someone else, I know no such thing so stop trying to say your god gave you the ability to read minds.
Sex: Sex is nothing to do with marriage, sex is about procreation and (in humans) mutual pleasure. In humans sex is a beautiful thing when done properly, however it can be abused and it seems that many Muslim men are keen on such abuse (see the links I have already provided)
Marriage: What other animals get married other than humans? When was the institution of marriage first conceived? Marriage was born out of jealousy and the male need of ownership and control, nothing more. Priest’s and Imam’s particularly have forced their influence into marriage out of the desire to control and made it a religious institution. Their interference is irrelevant to anyone not of their faith
of course sex is about procreation Among with other things , but Islam teaches us to put it in the right path and the best way, Who told you that animals don’t get married by their own ways..!!!, So many animals have only one partner , some animals even choose a specific partner to procreate with, Most of animals protect their females from other males, in so many types of animals the female get to choose a male to procreate with.
ChristineM wrote:
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Alcohol: Humans have been fermenting fruit far longer than any religion you know about ever existed. I know for certain that alcohol was produced in the Neolithic period and there are indications in the Cro-Magnon period at least 38,000 years ago. Why should the modern, 1600 year old interpretation of a bronze age myth spoil peoples health and enjoyment? Yes health, it is scientifically proven that alcohol, in moderation provides health benefits, promotes a healthier heart and longer life. Your scientific quran did not see that one coming eh? However I agree that alcohol in excess is antisocial and dangerous to the abuser and those who cross his/her path.
first of all religion started from the very first day of humans existence, God the creator sent prophets among people with the best teachings and laws that would perfectly suit that time,
my religion say that there isn’t even one nation left with no guidance from Allah.
FYI Quran completely agrees with you because it states that alcohol provides health benefits among with other harms, but the harms of alcohol is way more than its benefits .

2:219 “They ask you about wine and gambling. Say, "In them is great sin and [yet, some] benefit for people. But their sin is greater than their benefit." And they ask you what they should spend. Say, "The excess [beyond needs]." Thus Allah makes clear to you the verses [of revelation] that you might give thought.“

Since: Oct 13

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#1077 Nov 29, 2013
Quadratus wrote:
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You lost me. If basic morality is the essence of Islam, couldnt then one be a Muslim if he is simply a genuinely good person? If that is the case, if one is a genuinely good person and an honest atheist, would it follow that he is a Muslim?
yes morality is the essence of Islam, thus a good person and an honest atheist will approve and accept Islamic teachings, but he cannot be considered as a muslim because there are 5 pillars of Islam and 6 pillars of faith without those you cannot be a Muslim.
Some scholars says that good non Muslim people may only be rewarded during this life because of their good deeds and noble actions.

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#1078 Nov 29, 2013
Rusty Tin Can wrote:
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here we call that Tax, not charity.
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Interesting logic you have. Couldn't you have concluded that they're already on a "right path" that is other than Islam?
Zakkah is way different than Taxes, Zakat refers to spending a fixed portion of one's wealth (2.5% for unused extra money) for the poor, needy, zakat collectors, people whose hearts need to be reconciled, slaves, those in debt, in the way of Allah, and the travelers in the society , zakat is a way to redistribute the wealth, thus increasing the flow of cash in the economy with a particular interest in the poor and the dispossessed Muslims, Zakat can be a very successful economical tool, under sharia law you dont pay taxes, muslims have to pay Zakat and non muslims pay whats called Jizya.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zakat

- Islam shows us the right path on all aspects, so we have to take in consideration everything, they may be doing good and pay for charity ...etc but how about inner peace and happiness ?!!
Quadratus

Puyallup, WA

#1079 Nov 29, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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yes morality is the essence of Islam, thus a good person and an honest atheist will approve and accept Islamic teachings, but he cannot be considered as a muslim because there are 5 pillars of Islam and 6 pillars of faith without those you cannot be a Muslim.
Some scholars says that good non Muslim people may only be rewarded during this life because of their good deeds and noble actions.
So where does a morally upright atheist go when he dies?

Since: Oct 13

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#1084 Nov 29, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Having said that, you should know that I am married, our relationship is a full partnership in every sense of the word. I am probably a far more moral person than you will ever be, I would never do anything that effected my husband without his agreement, but this it the big thing, he offers me exactly the same regard. Also I rarely drink alcohol, not because it is against my belief but because I don’t want to. The thing here is that I have freedom of choice
So you are saying that the mutilation of a child in the name of religion is right? wow, you really are twisted, how about carving a big M for Muslim or A for Allah in their forehead at the same time? Now I understand why you condone suicide bombers and ignore the subjugation of women.
You are married …!!!! You really shocked me I thought you were completely against marriage,
I never questioned your morals, I only discussed the ideas you were trying to promote under the term FREEDOM, you really don’t understand the essence of my religion, you are saying that you have the choice to do anything , and that is exactly what Quran states in numerous verses, we always have the choice to do wrong or right, this whole life is only a test, the ability to choose is what makes humans different than other species.
you chose to be good to your husband and your husband chose to be good to you because that is the right thing to do, 67:2 "[He] who created death and life to test you [as to] which of you is best in deed - and He is the Exalted in Might, the Forgiving "

the Quran also states
30:21 "And of His signs is that He created for you from yourselves mates that you may find tranquillity in them; and He placed between you affection and mercy. Indeed in that are signs for a people who give thought."
there is an affection and mercy between you and your husband, that is a bless and instead of thanking god for it you are denying his existence.
ChristineM wrote:
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Once again you are trying to insult my intelligence, Yes I do know the health benefits of circumcision, and personally I find the shape of a circumcised penis to be more pleasing however that is beside the point. FREEDOM OF CHOICE is the term – again, just in case you missed it… freedom of choice. My argument is that a baby does not have that freedom of choice? The baby has not been informed of the procedure nor has he been given the freedom to chose. The mutilation of anyone without their consent (or without sound medical justification) is immoral and barbaric.
Circumcision is way different than mutilation; Parents tend to choose the best for their Kids,
besides circumcision is way easier to be done at a very young age than an adult after 18 years because apparently its painful thus your son may bear a grudge on you because you missed the chance to choose the best for him.
I don’t see your logic, I would definitely choose the best for my son as long as he is too young to decide, according to your logic we shouldn’t feed our children vegetables because sometimes they choose not to eat vegetables and would prefer to eat popcorn and Sweets, and we shouldn’t force our Childs to brush their teeth or to study or even to go to school.

In short words Circumcision was proved to be good for males in so many aspects, and Muslims have been doing it for the last 1400 years Just because Mohammed (PBUH) ordered them to.

Since: Oct 13

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#1085 Nov 29, 2013
Quadratus wrote:
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So where does a morally upright atheist go when he dies?
I don't get to decide who goes to hell and who goes to heaven, I think it depends on the case and everyone will be questioned for his/her actions starting from the very same day he started to know the difference between right and wrong.
To be honest I dont actually believe that there are true atheists who really deny the existence of a creator, you may have decided to leave Christianity because you couldn't understand it or couldn't believe the spiritual message in it, you may have received Islam distorted or you may haven't received or heard about it at all.

I cannot tell who goes to hell and who goes to heaven at the day of judgment, but I can assure you one thing which is the creator is Just, merciful and forgiving and will never be unjust to anyone.

this verse talks about hell
67:8
"It almost bursts with rage. Every time a company is thrown into it, its keepers ask them, "Did there not come to you a warner?"
This verse confirms that noone will go to hell unless he was warned by a warner.
So where do you stand from this equation ?!!
LCNLin

United States

#1086 Nov 29, 2013
Quadratus wrote:
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So where does a morally upright atheist go when he dies?
Oklahoma with Bob the Quantum-Bot?

Since: Oct 13

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#1087 Nov 29, 2013
Igor Trip wrote:
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A person owned by another is a slave by definition.
If slaves were soon freed then slavery would have ended centuries ago but it still existed into the 20th century and most of those slaves were captives rather than prisoners of war.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_slave_trade...
you are right, but Islam came down on time where slavery was an ordinary thing, so things were supposed to be taken care of gradually, at First Islam encouraged its followers to free slaves by telling them how noble thing it is and by promising them of numerous rewards in the after life.
Second- Islam has numerous rules and teachings to treat slaves very well and to feed them with the same food you eat and to dress them from your own clothes and also to pray with them in the mosque as an ordinary people in the community, So it made it easier for people to understand that slaves are just like us.
third- the Quran and Sunnah state that the penalty of numerous actions is to free your slave and if you didn’t have one you had to go and buy a slave and set him free, many of these actions can happen hundreds of time in a normal person life.
Fourth- its not Mohammed nor Islam’s fault if muslims didn’t follow the Islamic and quranic teachings correctly and perfectly, I don’t discuss people’s actions, I only discuss the true religion and its obvious teachings and rules.
Igor Trip wrote:
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Hindu Gods produced many miracles yet you don't believe in them.
Could it be because you think those stories are inventions?
There's a serious lack of evidence for miracles. For example not one Roman or Rabbi of Jerusalem ever recorded anyone being cured by Jesus.
The Quran and my religion state that Allah sent so many prophets from the beginning of humans existence, unfortunately so many religions was changed and fabricated , we can easily tell so by using logic, the thing is that different times mean different teachings and different rules, thus different teachings and different messages with the same core should be sent according to the time to show people the right path, I think that all religions have the same source which is Allah the creator, Budha for instance may be a prophet according to some scholars opinion because his teachings have so many mutual things with Islam but unfortunately people lost his way and started to worship Budha instead of worshiping the creator, Jesus may be the same case because people lost the true message and started worshipping Him instead of worshiping the creator who chose him to show his people the right path.
Igor Trip wrote:
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The Quran clearly states that anyone who thinks Jesus is the son of God is guilty of idolatry and will thus burn in hell. That's nearly all Christians. So you should believe that too.
Yes of course I Believe in that too, but each case should be dealt with on its own, because some people received Islam distorted, some have never even heard of Islam, but the act of worshiping someone other than god the creator is unforgivable.

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#1088 Nov 29, 2013
Igor Trip wrote:
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I've read the Quran twice. It should be impressive even after translation but I wasn't impressed.
I might have been impressed if all over the world and through out time the same basic beliefs existed, but instead everywhere has different beliefs. Islam is a very simple religion, one God, heaven, hell and the resurrection. That should survive even the most determined attempts at corruption. Instead it just comes down to the word of one man and that's not enough.
if you read quran accuretly you would notice that Allah chose a lot of people (prophets ) to show other the right path, but as I previously mentioned the teachings and rules of each message may be different because times and locations are different, but most of the religions we still have these days at least share the same core, what if the full message of Islam as we have today was sent 5000 thousands year ago, would people accept the fact that they can have only up to 4 wives ?!! would they accept that there are specific rules of inheritance ?! would they accept the rule of zakat ?! would they accept to treat their slaves in a good way or to free them ? would they accept the prohibition of Alcohol ?! we have to understand the changes and improvements of humans through history.

Why was Mohamed the last prophet?! Because his religion covers each aspect in life and can be applied easily till the end of days. Any question has an answer in Islam, just name it.

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#1089 Nov 29, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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In any other circumstances other than religious dogma the perpetrators would be imprisoned. This is perhaps one of the major reasons why your faith and the Jewish faith will never become mainstream in countries that understand freedom.
Jewish faith will never become mainstream in any country because simply there are only 15 millions Jewish in the whole world and no one can convert to Judaism, so you cannot become a Jew unless you had a Jewish mother on the other hand Islam is the fastest growing religion, depending on Fertility rate, tens of thousands converting to Islam and Muslims immigrants to western countries , Europe for instance needs manpower because the birthrate is low, they need those immigrants that seek to change the religious identity of the continent; so basically it’s a matter of time and you will be surrounded by Muslims.
Mahmood

Keswick, Canada

#1090 Nov 29, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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I think You can find the original and first copy of Quran in Istanbul -Turkey in a Museum, I am not sure but the first copy is dafinetly available.
The Topkapi & Samarkand copies date back to early 9th century. The earliest manuscripts we know of are the Sana (Yemen)fragments which date back early 8th century. There is not a single copy of the Koran dating back to 632 AD.

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