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"The God of the Qur'an is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.

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#1014 Nov 27, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
Islam dealt with the slavery issue, it was a very big issue 1400 years ago, slavery was a normal thing that time, so Islam solved that problem Gradually, A lot of companions of Mohammed after conversion to Islam started to buy slaves in order to set them free Like Bilal Bin Rabah who was horribly tortured by his owner because he converted, so Abu Bakr Mohammed’s companion bought him and set him free, he was the first slave in Mekkah who had his freedom, so Islam started to put specific rules for slavery which eventually will stop slavery within a very short period of time, you have to remember that Islam ended slavery centuries before western countries, it is obvious in Mohammed teachings that each problem should be solved gradually, even alcoholism was solved slowly , until the verse of prohibition of alcohol was revealed.
you will find a lot of mistakes that can be done by Muslims in the daily life like not being able to fast in Ramadan, the penalty would be to set free a slave if you had one, or like a false swearing to god the penalty also would be to free your slave along with numerous mistakes , not to mention that there is an oath might be between the slave and his owner, like working for a specific period of Time for a specific amount of money, Islam doesn’t want to set slaves for free and leave them in poverty, there were accurate solutions and steps to set slaves free.
we have to Admit that Islam succeeded to end slavery centuries before western countries.
The Quran and Mohammed's hadith encourage muslims for freeing slaves and promise them with big rewards in the after life
http://www.khilafah.com/index.php/the-khilafa...
I think you need to read up on slavery in Islam.

“It was in the early 20th century (post World War I) that slavery gradually became outlawed and suppressed in Muslim lands, largely due to pressure exerted by Western nations such as Britain and France.[11]
In 1925 slaves were still being bought and sold at Mecca in the ordinary way of trade.[122] The slave market there consisted of the offspring of local slaves as well as those imported from the Yemen, Africa, and Asia Minor.
By the Treaty of Jeddah, May 1927 (art.7), concluded between the British Government and Ibn Sa'ud (King of Nejd and the Hijaz) it was finally agreed to suppress the slave trade in Saudi Arabia. Then by a decree issued in 1936 the importation of slaves into Saudi Arabia was prohibited unless it could be proved that they were slaves at that date.[123]
In 1953, sheikhs from Qatar attending the coronation of Queen Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom included slaves in their retinues, and they did so again on another visit five years later.[124]”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_views_on...

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#1015 Nov 27, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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Islam is not a game, there is a specific method and criteria to explain verses, you cannot just simply take a verse out of its original context, people study the Quran and Hadith for years and still may not be able to extract laws and rules, its like physics you cannot jump to a law before knowing the basics.
this specific criteria was applied since the day of Mohammed, sometimes a verse complete a Hadith, sometimes a specific Hadith completes the meaning of a verse, As I Told you we couldnt know how to pray without Hadith and teachings of Mohammed.
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The Quran is the last living miracle in the world, because Mohammed is the last prophet (as we believe), so we do believe that Islam works perfectly at different times and locations, simply because its flexible, as I told you if you spent years studying Quran and Hadith you may be able to make an opinion regarding a specific issue, like the praying issue some scientists say quitting prayers take you of Islam , other scientists say quitting may not take you of Islam but only if you quit because of laziness, all scientists agreed that quitting the 5 prayers because of not believing in those prayers would take you out of Islam and will become an infidel.
Muslim scientists and big scholars agree on the big and the most important issues, then we find some Differences among other issues, hmm like praying during a journey...etc its a very wide scope, and every question that may cross your mind have an answer, Just name it ..!!
is praying meaningless to a christian or a Buddhist or a Hindu?
Chrsitians gave god a partner which is an unforgivable sin, they consider me as an infidel and I do the same, I am not the judge and I cannot say who is going to hell and who is going to heaven but My religion clearly states that there some actions will take you to hell, they think that Islamic prayers are meaningless, I say if they prayed for god the creator not Jesus the man their prayers may not be meaningless.

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Then don’t treat is as a game of guesswork and interpretation.

A verse is written, it has nothing to do with context, it is how it was written. Just because some bod some years later thought “oh sh|t this is a bit dodgy, I’ll write something to modify it” makes no difference to what was originally written. You may be comfortable in picking and choosing carefully selected verses to suit your personal belief but that makes no difference the original meaning the a verse.

So you are saying that before the first Hadith was written then followers of the quran did not know how to pray?

Religion s nothing like physics, physics learns from experience, religions does not.

You can believe in whatever miracles best turn you on, what best fuels your intolerance and hatred of whom s oever does not believe in your god magic

Just name it? ok , pray for me in getting dark age muslims like you to join the 21st century

It is not like me to defend christianity but their ”partner” was invented hundreds of years before your god book was even thought of, who are you to say their belief is a sin, it’s nothing more than your own intolerance driving your belief.

Wrong, Christians consider you as a Muslim, some may hate the Muslim as much as you hate the christians however, not all. Of course infidel is a word most used in the Arabic world and has little meaning to the christian, a christian would use the term atheist in a derogatory manner to mean the same thing. However you do misuse the word infidel in the same way that christians misuse the word morality but hey, ho, we are used to such stupidity from the religious – look up the definition.

What some Muslim scholar said is irrelevant

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#1016 Nov 27, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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I dont personally consider your muslim friend to be no longer muslims, its what big scholars says and what the religion of Islam states, they could embrace a different society and keep their beliefs at the same time, but maybe they are too weak or may have a very high Sense of inferiority, the one who sells his principles and beliefs to please others for me is no more than a Weak and a coward, if you saw any of them just ask them why did they quit prayers, If the answer was because of laziness ..blaah blaah they may still be considered as Muslims according to one scholar opinion, if the answer was we don't believe in praying you can instantly tell them that they are infidels and no longer Muslims.
this is religion, its a way of life and has specific rules , its not a game you cannot just come and say your opinion about those friend of yours, quitting prayers is prohibited whether they liked it or not.
Religion is a matter of faith, not a matter of praying 5 times a day or what some “scholar” with no experience of the world outside his ivory tower has to say.

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#1017 Nov 27, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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I told you numerous times, Islam prohibits killings civilians and innocents, killing an innocent soul is like killing the whole man kind.
5:32 "...whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. "
so please remind how is it possible to kill the entire man kind be rewarded for doing so ?!!
It really does not matter how many times you have told me IT STILL HAPPENS. Perhaps you should have a word with your local group of terrorist and tell them, maybe it would have more effect on the real world as opposed to your dream world
Mahmood

Peterborough, Canada

#1020 Nov 27, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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The Quran impressed them, but they thought that Mohammed was a magician and practiced magic by Quran, some of them as I told you used to put their fingers in their ears to avoid Quranic Magic..!!! Not to mention that they failed to fulfill god’s challenge which is to get a book like the quran , they even failed to produce a chapter like of the Quran, the quran states that this challenge is still valid and the good news that anyone claims that he can produce one chapter like of the Quran can bring up his friends to witness, its 2013 and this challenge is still valid but of course in Arabic Language, because the translations of Quran only give general meanings , and the actual beauty and miraculous ways of Quran cannot be understood properly except in Arabic.
2:23 “And if you are in doubt about what We have sent down upon Our Servant [Muhammad], then produce a surah the like thereof and call upon your witnesses other than Allah , if you should be truthful.”
17:88 “Say, "If mankind and the jinn gathered in order to produce the like of this Qur'an, they could not produce the like of it, even if they were to each other assistants."
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And that is the miraculous thing of it, if he pretended it would count because obviously you cannot know who is pretending and who is not , Abu Lahab didn’t even pretend to be a muslim, he was very stubborn and was afraid of his reputation, he could destroy the whole religion and he knew it but decided not to be on the same level of the weak people in Mekkah, he had the chance for years , but this Surah shows us that it is from god who knows the future .
in Arabic its obvious that Abu Lahab will go to hell, Yusuf ali translation may be clearer to you
Abu Lahab was his nickname , which means the father of flame , he was a very rich man and very arrogant who would do anything to keep the religion of worshiping statues and Idols
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“Perish the hands of the Father of Flame! Perish he!
No profit to him from all his wealth, and all his gains!
Burnt soon will he be in a Fire of Blazing Flame!
His wife shall carry the (crackling) wood - As fuel!-
A twisted rope of palm-leaf fibre round her (own) neck!”
Hi Hazem,

How can you verify if the Koran we have today is verbatim the same Koran that was dictated by Mohammad?

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#1022 Nov 27, 2013
Igor Trip wrote:
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I think you need to read up on slavery in Islam.
“It was in the early 20th century (post World War I) that slavery gradually became outlawed and suppressed in Muslim lands, largely due to pressure exerted by Western nations such as Britain and France.[11]
In 1925 slaves were still being bought and sold at Mecca in the ordinary way of trade.[122] The slave market there consisted of the offspring of local slaves as well as those imported from the Yemen, Africa, and Asia Minor.
By the Treaty of Jeddah, May 1927 (art.7), concluded between the British Government and Ibn Sa'ud (King of Nejd and the Hijaz) it was finally agreed to suppress the slave trade in Saudi Arabia. Then by a decree issued in 1936 the importation of slaves into Saudi Arabia was prohibited unless it could be proved that they were slaves at that date.[123]
In 1953, sheikhs from Qatar attending the coronation of Queen Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom included slaves in their retinues, and they did so again on another visit five years later.[124]”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_views_on...
that was when slavery was a world-wide structure and which was conducted amongst Muslims and their enemies in the form of enslaving of prisoners of war. And it was necessary for Islam to adopt a similar line of practise until the world devised a new code of practise during war other than enslavement, so you cannot attack a free man and enslave him/her, and actual slaves will eventually be set free because of numerous reasons: 1- freeing a slave as a favor and to Allah only is Highly encouraged in Islam , there are numerous verses that explain the greatness of rewards for those who do so.

2- Some of Zakkah money should go to free slaves and improve their lives after they are free .

3- the penalty of any usual mistake which can be easily done during a daily life of a Muslim is to free a slave if he had one.
4- not anyone can be taken as a slave, like married woman or women with children, a father..etc

5-A Muslim's slave back then is more like a house keeper in these days, they used to take money or at least would have an oath to work only for a specific time of period to be free, A slave cannot be called a slave because we are all slaves to the god Mohammed said, The slave or the servant should wear just like what his owner wears, he eats what his owner eats.
the last words Mohammed said seconds before he is dead was "Ma Malakat aimanukum " Ma Malakat Aimanukum means slaves or servants , so Mohammed was very worried about Slaves that it was the last words he said , last word after Salah (prayers ),(Prayes ) and Ma Malakat Aimanukum (Slaves) so these Recommendations and commandments are very important, its not mohamme fault if people after him Kept slaving other people, Islamic teachings and Mohammed made it clear that this issue was supposed to be dealt with gradually to eventually end it.

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#1023 Nov 27, 2013
Mahmood wrote:
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Hi Hazem,
How can you verify if the Koran we have today is verbatim the same Koran that was dictated by Mohammad?
Indeed, those who disbelieve in the message after it has come to them... And indeed, it is a mighty Book.
Falsehood cannot approach it from before it or from behind it; [it is] a revelation from a [Lord who is] Wise and Praiseworthy.

Quran never contradicts, not to mention the numerous scientific miracles in it .

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#1024 Nov 27, 2013
Thinking wrote:
muslims kill many civilians - so islam doesn't work.
islam is broken.
islam is nonsense.
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you cannot put the blame on Islam, those people you keep mentioning them are not following it, its their fault not Islam's fault

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#1025 Nov 27, 2013
Igor Trip wrote:
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Replacing 365 false Gods with one false God is not progress.
You still have to prove Islam is true.
I am not trying to prove anything, I was only answering Many of the questions.
Igor Trip wrote:
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How can slaves be equal to their master when they are owned by their master?
they are equal and cannot be called slaves, and after all when performing prayers, a servant and his manager pray together, That servant wears from his master clothes and eat with him and will surely be free very soon, slavery was a very normal thing back then
so Islam put specific rules to assure the end of slavery by away or another.
Igor Trip wrote:
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You are presuming they believed but were arrogant. That's not provable.
Its doesn't really matter why they didn't believe , all prophets had believers and disbelievers, why do you think that there are rewards , Heaven and Hell ?!!!!
there are numerous stories about prophets and messengers in The
Quran and Hadith, some of these prophets according to Quran had a very obvious miracles, but people would still deny their prophecies and would prefer to worship the Sun, Moon, Idols, statues, Stars , Fire ...etc
Igor Trip wrote:
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Christianity has 2 billion followers yet you still think they're misled and are all going to hell.
I see Islam as the result of the evolution of religion from many Gods to one and from tribal Gods to a universal God. It works better than most but it's still flawed.
I dont get to say who goes to hell or who goes to heaven, its not my Job and certainly don't have the authority to.

I can only deliver the good news and warnings, Islam is mainly a relationship between humans and the creator, who chose specific people (prophets and messengers)through history and from the beginning of Life to show other people the right path, he also gave those people miracles to make it easier for those around prophets to believe and follow them.
But Igor trip didn't witness any miracle ..!! how could you believe in a creator ?!!! its not fair that you didnt have the right to see any miracles, But Allah tells you that Mohammed is the last prophet and that his message is the last message, Mohammed's miracle is the Quran, thus you have a miracle between your hands but you are just too lazy to read it and you are not willing to see obvious facts objectively.
Thinking

Merthyr Tydfil, UK

#1026 Nov 27, 2013
I blame islam.
hazem selawi wrote:
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you cannot put the blame on Islam, those people you keep mentioning them are not following it, its their fault not Islam's fault

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#1027 Nov 27, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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Indeed, those who disbelieve in the message after it has come to them... And indeed, it is a mighty Book.
Falsehood cannot approach it from before it or from behind it; [it is] a revelation from a [Lord who is] Wise and Praiseworthy.
Quran never contradicts, not to mention the numerous scientific miracles in it .
Who Was the First Muslim

Adam - Quran 2:37
Abraham - Quran 2:127-133, 3:67
Muhammad - Quran 6:14, 163
Moses - Quran 7:143
A bunch of Egyptians - Quran 26:51

Sounds like a series of contradictions to me

The Quran forbids believers to marry idolatrous women - Sura 2:221
The Quran calls Christians idolaters and unbelievers Quran 9:28-33
But in 5:5 the Quran allows Muslims to marry Christian women.

Go figure the contradiction there.

And as for scientific errors/contradictions there are 123,000 sites listed on google for the search term “scientific contradiction in quran”

You are welcome to your belief but lying only makes you a liar,

“Evil Atheist :-)”

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#1028 Nov 27, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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that was when slavery was a world-wide structure and which was conducted amongst Muslims and their enemies in the form of enslaving of prisoners of war. And it was necessary for Islam to adopt a similar line of practise until the world devised a new code of practise during war other than enslavement, so you cannot attack a free man and enslave him/her, and actual slaves will eventually be set free because of numerous reasons: 1- freeing a slave as a favor and to Allah only is Highly encouraged in Islam , there are numerous verses that explain the greatness of rewards for those who do so.
2- Some of Zakkah money should go to free slaves and improve their lives after they are free .
3- the penalty of any usual mistake which can be easily done during a daily life of a Muslim is to free a slave if he had one.
4- not anyone can be taken as a slave, like married woman or women with children, a father..etc
5-A Muslim's slave back then is more like a house keeper in these days, they used to take money or at least would have an oath to work only for a specific time of period to be free, A slave cannot be called a slave because we are all slaves to the god Mohammed said, The slave or the servant should wear just like what his owner wears, he eats what his owner eats.
the last words Mohammed said seconds before he is dead was "Ma Malakat aimanukum " Ma Malakat Aimanukum means slaves or servants , so Mohammed was very worried about Slaves that it was the last words he said , last word after Salah (prayers ),(Prayes ) and Ma Malakat Aimanukum (Slaves) so these Recommendations and commandments are very important, its not mohamme fault if people after him Kept slaving other people, Islamic teachings and Mohammed made it clear that this issue was supposed to be dealt with gradually to eventually end it.
Historians estimate that between 650 and 1900, 10 to 18 million peoples were enslaved by Arab slave traders and taken from Africa across the Red Sea, Indian Ocean, and Sahara desert.[4][5][6][7] The term Arab when used in historical documents often represented an ethnic term, as many of the "Arab" slave traders, such as Tippu Tip and others, were physically indistinguishable from the "Africans" whom they enslaved and sold. Due to the nature of the Arab slave trade, it is impossible to be precise about actual numbers.[8][9][10]
To a smaller degree, Arabs also enslaved Europeans. According to Robert Davis, between 1 million and 1.25 million Europeans were captured between the 16th and 19th centuries by Barbary corsairs, who were vassals of the Ottoman Empire, and sold as slaves.[11][12] These slaves were captured mainly from seaside villages from Italy, Spain, Portugal and also from more distant places like France or England, the Netherlands, Ireland and even Iceland. They were also taken from ships stopped by the pirates.[13] The effects of these attacks was devastating: France, England, and Spain each lost thousands of ships. Long stretches of the Spanish and Italian coasts were almost completely abandoned by their inhabitants, because of frequent pirate attacks. Pirate raids discouraged settlement along the coast until the 19th century.[14][15]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_slave_trade...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_pirates

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#1029 Nov 27, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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I am not trying to prove anything, I was only answering Many of the questions.
True but many of your answers depend on Islam being true.
As I don't believe in Islam those answers aren't very convincing to me.
hazem selawi wrote:
they are equal and cannot be called slaves, and after all when performing prayers, a servant and his manager pray together, That servant wears from his master clothes and eat with him and will surely be free very soon, slavery was a very normal thing back then
so Islam put specific rules to assure the end of slavery by away or another.
A person owned by another is a slave by definition.
If slaves were soon freed then slavery would have ended centuries ago but it still existed into the 20th century and most of those slaves were captives rather than prisoners of war.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_slave_trade...
hazem selawi wrote:
Its doesn't really matter why they didn't believe , all prophets had believers and disbelievers, why do you think that there are rewards , Heaven and Hell ?!!!!
there are numerous stories about prophets and messengers in The
Quran and Hadith, some of these prophets according to Quran had a very obvious miracles, but people would still deny their prophecies and would prefer to worship the Sun, Moon, Idols, statues, Stars , Fire ...etc
Hindu Gods produced many miracles yet you don't believe in them.
Could it be because you think those stories are inventions?
There's a serious lack of evidence for miracles. For example not one Roman or Rabbi of Jerusalem ever recorded anyone being cured by Jesus.
hazem selawi wrote:
I dont get to say who goes to hell or who goes to heaven, its not my Job and certainly don't have the authority to.
The Quran clearly states that anyone who thinks Jesus is the son of God is guilty of idolatry and will thus burn in hell. That's nearly all Christians. So you should believe that too.
hazem selawi wrote:
I can only deliver the good news and warnings, Islam is mainly a relationship between humans and the creator, who chose specific people (prophets and messengers)through history and from the beginning of Life to show other people the right path, he also gave those people miracles to make it easier for those around prophets to believe and follow them.
But Igor trip didn't witness any miracle ..!! how could you believe in a creator ?!!! its not fair that you didnt have the right to see any miracles, But Allah tells you that Mohammed is the last prophet and that his message is the last message, Mohammed's miracle is the Quran, thus you have a miracle between your hands but you are just too lazy to read it and you are not willing to see obvious facts objectively.
I've read the Quran twice. It should be impressive even after translation but I wasn't impressed.

I might have been impressed if all over the world and through out time the same basic beliefs existed, but instead everywhere has different beliefs. Islam is a very simple religion, one God, heaven, hell and the resurrection. That should survive even the most determined attempts at corruption. Instead it just comes down to the word of one man and that's not enough.
Mahmood

Peterborough, Canada

#1030 Nov 27, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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Indeed, those who disbelieve in the message after it has come to them... And indeed, it is a mighty Book.
Falsehood cannot approach it from before it or from behind it; [it is] a revelation from a [Lord who is] Wise and Praiseworthy.
Quran never contradicts, not to mention the numerous scientific miracles in it .
I believe you and I have been through this business of contradictions so I don't want to dwell on it. However, none of what you have written proves that the Koran we today is verbatim the same Koran that was "authored" by Mohammad or if it's a product of a later scholarship.
Mahmood

Peterborough, Canada

#1031 Nov 27, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Who Was the First Muslim
Adam - Quran 2:37
Abraham - Quran 2:127-133, 3:67
Muhammad - Quran 6:14, 163
Moses - Quran 7:143
A bunch of Egyptians - Quran 26:51
Sounds like a series of contradictions to me
The Quran forbids believers to marry idolatrous women - Sura 2:221
The Quran calls Christians idolaters and unbelievers Quran 9:28-33
But in 5:5 the Quran allows Muslims to marry Christian women.
Go figure the contradiction there.
And as for scientific errors/contradictions there are 123,000 sites listed on google for the search term “scientific contradiction in quran”
You are welcome to your belief but lying only makes you a liar,
This who was the first muslim may not be a contradiction. What the Koran means is that all these prophets were the first muslim during their era.

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#1032 Nov 27, 2013
Thinking wrote:
I blame islam.
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the situation in Syria is different, you cannot blame Islam, because it is simply a list of teachings, rules and laws.

Those people you keep mentioning violate the obvious teachings of their religion, thus their actions should not represent Islam.

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#1033 Nov 27, 2013
Mahmood wrote:
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I believe you and I have been through this business of contradictions so I don't want to dwell on it. However, none of what you have written proves that the Koran we today is verbatim the same Koran that was "authored" by Mohammad or if it's a product of a later scholarship.
The Quran came through 23 years, it was memorized and written down during the life of Mohammed by some of his companions who could read and write (Katabat al Wahi), so when Mohammed died the Quran was already written and memorized and his companion Abu Bakr the first khalif only gathered the papers in one book exactly The same order it was revealed, now if you compare a copy of Quran (Arabic language) in India to another copy in Canda it will be exactly the same, not a single letter will be different.

Hadith of mohammed is a different case because we have different types of Hadith, Authentic, very good and weak, depending on the narrators and numerous other factors.

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#1034 Nov 27, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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So because you don’t agree with cowardly killing of civilians it is going to stop it happening? Grow up. If you condone suicide bombings then you condone cowardly murder, a bomb is indiscriminate in who it kills and maims. Having survived an IRA bombing in Manchester I can assure you that this is FACT.
we cannot blame Islam because of some people's actions who keep violating the direct and clear teachings of it.
ChristineM wrote:
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Depends on the county, So you are saying that the women in Afghanistan would have the right to attend school,(never mind university) under a taliban government? You are saying that women in Saudi have the right to drive? You are saying that female Muslim students can freely associates with male students?
have you ever been to Afghanistan ?!!
Women in Saudi Arabia are banned to drive because of what is called
stupid traditions, it has nothing to do with Islamic teachings.
Mohammed teachings and Islam not only encourage but insist on education for both males and females, I dont care what other countries are doing, you can blame them but certainly cannot blame the religion.
ChristineM wrote:
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None of this makes any difference to the segregation and discrimination and restriction of womens rights and the treatment of women by your faith. You may claim any privileges you feel best suites your belief but it makes no difference to the facts of life. No brain washing involved, It can bee seen in the streets anywherre where there is a Muslim community, hell I can look out of my office window right now .
Stop stereotyping, the actual question should always be what does Islam say and teaches instead of what a muslim did, Christine I never claimed that all Muslims are angels.
not all Muslims are certainly going straightforward to heaven, everyone is responsible of his/her actions, Muslims will also be questioned for everything they did in their lives.
ChristineM wrote:
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You have already stated several aspects of your faiths that impinge on my freedoms and you consider such restrictions to be perfectly normal.
there are numerous teachings in my religion that tie up what you call freedom for both males and females, you cannot imagine the huge responsibilities on males.
I think these restrictions of freedom are better for us and better for the entire Community, besides Islam always show people the right thing to do at the same time,the banning of alcohol for instance; Islam teach us that its not okay to ruin your own body, its not okay to get drunk and make a fool of yourself, its not okay to drive under influence and threaten other people's life.

the banning of what some people may call making love outside marriage; Islam teach us that you cannot play with other people feelings, you cannot do this or that and harm yourself or anyone around you in anyway, if anyone wants to make love there is a right path to do it, Islam teach its followers to take in consideration the consequences of their actions.

women are supposed to wear Hijab and men are supposed to grow beards although not doing so doesnt take you out of the religion,
its a way of life and the improvement of science will prove the accuracy and benefits of all rules and teachings of Islam which were taught by Mohammed 1400 years ago.

Muslims for the 1400 years ago put a piece of a softened date on the finger and rub it from left to right in the mouth of their new born baby, they did it because Mohammed did it and taught them to do it they never asked why, recent studies proved beyond any doubt the benefit of giving a new-born child sugar, in order to reduce the feeling of any painful procedure like heel pricking for a blood sample or before circumcision.

there are so many teachings and rules were only proved recently and certainly will keep coming till the end of days.

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#1035 Nov 27, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Who Was the First Muslim
Adam - Quran 2:37
Abraham - Quran 2:127-133, 3:67
Muhammad - Quran 6:14, 163
Moses - Quran 7:143
A bunch of Egyptians - Quran 26:51
Sounds like a series of contradictions to me
we believe that Islam is the true religion of all previous prophets and as Mahmood said What the Koran means is that all these prophets were the first muslim during their era.
ChristineM wrote:
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The Quran forbids believers to marry idolatrous women - Sura 2:221
The Quran calls Christians idolaters and unbelievers Quran 9:28-33
But in 5:5 the Quran allows Muslims to marry Christian women.
Go figure the contradiction there.
see I think that is enough for you to understand that explaining one verse by itself is not enough To extract different Rules and teachings of Islam , there is a specific criteria and numerous factors to be taken in consideration.
ChristineM wrote:
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And as for scientific errors/contradictions there are 123,000 sites listed on Google for the search term “scientific contradiction in quran”
You are welcome to your belief but lying only makes you a liar,
you are more than welcome to discuss with me any of these contradictions.
Washington

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#1036 Nov 27, 2013
Igor Trip wrote:
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Historians estimate that between 650 and 1900, 10 to 18 million peoples were enslaved by Arab slave traders and taken from Africa across the Red Sea, Indian Ocean, and Sahara desert.[4][5][6][7] The term Arab when used in historical documents often represented an ethnic term, as many of the "Arab" slave traders, such as Tippu Tip and others, were physically indistinguishable from the "Africans" whom they enslaved and sold. Due to the nature of the Arab slave trade, it is impossible to be precise about actual numbers.[8][9][10]
To a smaller degree, Arabs also enslaved Europeans. According to Robert Davis, between 1 million and 1.25 million Europeans were captured between the 16th and 19th centuries by Barbary corsairs, who were vassals of the Ottoman Empire, and sold as slaves.[11][12] These slaves were captured mainly from seaside villages from Italy, Spain, Portugal and also from more distant places like France or England, the Netherlands, Ireland and even Iceland. They were also taken from ships stopped by the pirates.[13] The effects of these attacks was devastating: France, England, and Spain each lost thousands of ships. Long stretches of the Spanish and Italian coasts were almost completely abandoned by their inhabitants, because of frequent pirate attacks. Pirate raids discouraged settlement along the coast until the 19th century.[14][15]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_slave_trade...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_pirates
The Arabs weren't the only ones who enslaved people (not that I'm belittling that fact.)the English also had big problems with slavery. The slave treatment was absolutely horrific.

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