Richard Dawkins - God is evil, pedophilesa not so bad

There are 20 comments on the Examiner.com story from Sep 14, 2013, titled Richard Dawkins - God is evil, pedophilesa not so bad. In it, Examiner.com reports that:

"The God of the Qur'an is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.

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#949 Nov 25, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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As I told your fellow “Igor trip”…
Not my fellow, I think I have only ever communicated with him a couple of times at most. However on the subjects of funnymentalist terrorism (and several other topics) we seem to agree.

Yes I am cherry picking a particular selected verse. So do YOU, you have done it from day one in our communication so don’t be surprised when I use the same tactic. So do many, many muslim funnymentalist used such cherry picking as and excuse for their hatred of the west. Do not take this as an insult to Islam, christian funnymentalist do exactly the same thing.

What has praying 5 times a day got to do with anything? I know christians who pray several times a day, nothing special for a religious person. I also know Muslims who do not pray. I also know that although women are not actually banned from worship on the mosque, if one is brave enough to face the resentment you men offer then they are segregated to the back or side, out of the way, like the second class person you quoran teaches.

You also should take into consideration humanity, yet you don’t, you ignore it in favour of dark age rhetoric .

Being emotional is not a duty and you see plenty of women working as taxi drivers and in construction. But maybe not in the middle east where women are treated as second class citizens and in some countries are not even allowed to drive. Oh yes and you also see emotional men.

So you are saying that men are in charge of women because they can hit harder? Honey most women are capable of looking after themselves and many do. Do you really think that you are dominant over me? You have shown again and again that of the two of us you are the weaker mentality.

Yes there are several rules, so it is no coincidence that in Islam men crave dominance over women.

There you go again with the emotion cop out. You are saying that it’s ok for a guy to say screw you and screw the family that he has helped create because he is not emotional yet not ok for women to have the same rights? You are saying that men have more control over their feeling than women? Tell me which gender most goes out murdering and suicide bombing? Are you saying that emotion is not involved there? Which gender has the higher tolerance to pain? Oh look, women come out on top again. Honey your emotion argument is a poor argument.

There you go again, different rules for women and you don’t see the double standards you employ here?

Honey, anyone claiming that a god exists is a liar, so don’t think you are unique. Yes feel free to explain Islamic rules but do not cherry pick those rules to suite your personal interpretation.

I agree that it would not be beneficial but it still does not stop the preaching and threats and murders on all sides.

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#950 Nov 25, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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Wallahi I respect you skepctic for being the only one who focused from the very beginning on a specific subject which is proving the existence of A creator.
Hang in there, your insistence really shows that you are on the right path to find the truth.
Only one? Methinks you have a selective reading problem or perhaps a selective memory.

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#951 Nov 25, 2013
Thinking wrote:
You're trying to sell me sh!t I neither need nor believe in.
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It’s what he does best.
Thinking

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#952 Nov 25, 2013
Haram Salami reminds me of a child trying to explain how amazing his Transformer robot is. Of course I would not shatter the dreams of a child.
ChristineM wrote:
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It’s what he does best.

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#953 Nov 25, 2013
Igor Trip wrote:
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Wouldn't a list of hadiths be more reliable than the opinion of a Tafsir writer?
Quran should be explained within a specific Methodology, depending on The Quran itself (sommetimes verses can be explained from other verses), Mohammeds saying and actions; the definition Tafsir of Quran (explaining verses)includes;
determining the style of the text and its eloquence
defining unknown or otherwise less used words
the clarification of the meanings of verses
extraction of laws and rulings
explaining the underlying thoughts in metaphors and figurative speech
reconciling verses that seem contradictory
finding out the underlying reasons for parables

you can find more about this Methodology
http://www.islamweb.net/emainpage/index.php...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tafsir_w...

even if the verse is saying strike women , we should take in consideration the prevention steps in the very same verse , before striking we see that there should be first ; 1 [first] advise them; [then if they persist] advising in Islam should be by the best possible ways , 2-forsake them in bed ; this may happen by stopping the intimacy thus the two husband and wife will remember that they need each other , 3-after that we should know the method of striking in Islam (Mohammed never hit any of his wives nor anyone)

Muslim Book 30, Number 5756:'A'isha reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) never beat anyone with his hand, neither a woman nor a servant, but only, in the case when he had been fighting in the cause of Allah and he never took revenge for anything unless the things made inviolable by Allah were made violable; he then took revenge for Allah, the Exalted and Glorious.

the next step if problems were not solved between the husband and wife we can find in verse 4:35

"And if you fear dissension between the two, send an arbitrator from his people and an arbitrator from her people. If they both desire reconciliation, Allah will cause it between them. Indeed, Allah is ever Knowing and Acquainted [with all things]."

if problems were still not solved after all these steps done,divorce may occur between the two , Islam doesnt prohibit divorce specially after trying all these solutions maybe because a marriage full of problems and disagreement between husband and wife may produce a very bad environment for their kids and thus producing other problems in the society.

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#954 Nov 25, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Haram Salami reminds me of a child trying to explain how amazing his Transformer robot is. Of course I would not shatter the dreams of a child.
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Of this particular child, I would.

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#955 Nov 25, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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Quran should be explained within a specific Methodology, depending on The Quran itself (sommetimes verses can be explained from other verses), Mohammeds saying and actions; the definition Tafsir of Quran (explaining verses)includes;
determining the style of the text and its eloquence
defining unknown or otherwise less used words
the clarification of the meanings of verses
extraction of laws and rulings
explaining the underlying thoughts in metaphors and figurative speech
reconciling verses that seem contradictory
finding out the underlying reasons for parables
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That is called interpretation, i.e. I think this verse means this because that verse means that. The same thing happens in christianity only they assume a time machine was available to the babble writers

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#956 Nov 25, 2013
Igor Trip wrote:
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After all those who disliked Muhammad had been expelled or killed, then only those who love Muhammad would be left won't they?
The little fact that his followers were entitled to 4/5th of the war booty and the Arabs known love of raiding certainly helped here.
This does raise the question of just how many of his followers fought for loot rather than Islam.
who told you that all those who disliked Muhammad had been expelled or killed ?!!
Muslims left Mekkah and most of them immigrated secretly because they were afraid of their lives, years after the
expansion of Islam and when Muslims gained More power they returned to Mekkah with power, Quraysh and non believers in Mekkah thought that Mohammed would kill everyone after what all Muslims faced In Mekkah, Mohammed said after freeing the Holy land of Mekkah ,'Today there is no reproach against you. Go, you are all free'.
http://www.inter-islam.org/Seerah/TheConquest...
you can find numerous Hadiths and verses about how muslims shouldn't fight for loot or any other reason, otherwise if anyone fights for loot or any other reason he will not be rewarded in the after life and if he died during the Battle he certainly wouldnt be a true martyr, Fighting should be only for the sake of Allah and spreading Justice, besides all spoils after a Battle should be divided to all Muslims Equally.
Igor Trip wrote:
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There doesn't seem to be any evidence for Mecca being a major city pre Islam,
“Mecca was a barren place, and barren places do not make natural halts, and least of all when they are found at a short distance from famously green environments. Why should caravans have made a steep descent to the barren lands of Mecca when they could have stopped at T&#257;’if? Mecca did, of course, have both a well and a sanctuary, but so did T&#257;’if, which had food supplies, too”.(Crone, 1987 page 6-7; Crone-Cook, 1977, page 22)
“One would expect that a major merchant city in Arabia would be mentioned on early maps. Such maps never claimed to show every village and settlement, but certainly sought to place significant and famous cities. Surprising as it may seem, not one map before 900 AD even mentions Mecca. This is 300 years after Mu&#7717;ammad’s death.”
http://nabataea.net/MeccaProblems.html
you may forgot that Mekkah is way old, and Ka'aba is considered to be the first temple in the world, Abraham Peace be upon him built that place and people used to go to Mekkah to perform different Rituals even so it is a false Rituals and they were worshiping false idols and Statues (there were over 360 Statues worshiped as gods by different tribes ), people used to come to Mekkah from different places and countries since the day of Abraham, so it would be very Profitable for those who ruled Mekkah.
Igor Trip wrote:
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Firstly that Muhammad was a prophet of God and secondly that the people or Mecca knew he was but still rejected him for personal gain.
Maybe they just thought he was mad as the Quran states.
First of all God gave Mohammed a miracle which is the Quran, it would make no sense and no one would believed Mohammed without a miracle, Mohammed's miracle was the Quran, people of Quraysh were the best in Arabic language, Eloquence and poetry, Allah challenged Quraish through Mohammed to produce a book like Quran at first after that challenged them again to produce 10 chapters like Quran, the last challenge was to get only 1 chapter like Quran, they failed to produce even one chapter although they are the best in Arabic language.
Quraish accused Mohammed of being a liar and a magician not mad , and thought that he practiced magic over them as Quran was to them something weird and couldn't accept, some of them used to put their fingers in their ears to avoid listening to the Quranic verses.
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Miracl...
the Quran doesnt state that Mohammed is mad.
Thinking

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#957 Nov 25, 2013
Only by the ignorant.

Here is one example of a temple many thousands of years older.

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history-archaeo...
hazem selawi wrote:
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...and Ka'aba is considered to be the first temple in the world...

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#958 Nov 25, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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who told you that all those who disliked Muhammad had been expelled or killed ?!!
Remember the Jewish tribes of Medina?

Mohammed Attacks Jews.

Finally Mohammed began to use actual violence toward the Medina Jews. After the battle of Bedr a woman called Asma, said by some to be a Jewess, wrote satirical verses, and was killed in her sleep, probably with Mohammed's consent. Not long before, Abu 'Afak of the Banu Amr, who had been converted to Judaism, had been assassinated for having displeased Mohammed by writing verses ridiculing the new religion. Mohammed then seems to have decided to get rid of the Jews in a body, since they were a constant menace to his cause. He began with the Banu Kainuka', who were goldsmiths, and lived by themselves in a fortified suburb. He first summoned them to accept his religion, and they refused. Soon a pretext was found for an open attack. A Moslem girl was insulted by a Jew of the Banu Kainuka'; the Jew was killed by a Moslem, and the latter in turn was killed by the brothers of the murdered Jew. Mohammed immediately marched against the Banu Kainuka' and besieged them in their stronghold. After a siege of fifteen days they surrendered, and their lives were spared only at the urgent request of Abdallah ibn Ubai, the influential leader of the Arab opposition, whose pleading Mohammed dared not ignore. Being allowed to leave the country, they emigrated toward the north. Their departure weakened the Jews, who if they had been united might have withstood Mohammed's attacks.

About a month after the emigration of the Kainuka', Abu Sufyan, the leader of the Meccan opposition, visited Huyayy of the Banu al-Nad ir, but, being refused admittance by him, spent the night with another influential man of the same tribe and obtained information from him concerning the state of Medina. Another Jewish poet was assassinated about this time at Mohammed's desire. This was Ka'b ibn al-Ashraf of the Banu Nair, who had been stirring up the Quraish at Mecca by his verses after the battle of Bedr. Ibn Sanina, a Jewish merchant, was killed on the day after Ka'b; and the Jews now began to fear to leave their houses. In the summer of 625 Mohammed attacked and besieged the Banu al-Nad ir. There appears to have been no satisfactory pretext for the attack. Mohammed claimed that he had received a revelation telling him of the treachery of the Jews. After a siege of fifteen or twenty days Abdallah ibn Ubai prevailed on the Nad ir to surrender. They were exiled, being allowed to take their goods with them, and emigrated toward the north, settling in Khaibar and in Syria.

Fate of Medina Jews.

There were now left only the Banu Kuraiz a, and Mohammed soon found a pretext to attack them. Some of the Jewish exiles, chief among them being the above-mentioned Huyayy, had stirred up the Kuraish and other Arab tribes against Mohammed, and they persuaded the Banu Kuraiz a to join them in their plans. Mohammed, however, succeeded in making the Jews and their Arab allies suspicious of each other; and the allies, who had been besieging Medina, suddenly departed in the midst of a storm, thus leaving the Kuraiz a unsupported. Mohammed marched against them, claiming to have received a special revelation to that effect, and laid siege to their fortress, which was a few miles to the southeast of the city. They surrendered after a month's siege, without having risked a fight. Their fate was left to the decision of Sa'd ibn Mu'adh of the tribe of Aus, who, in spite of the pleading of his own tribe, condemned the men to death and the women and children to slavery. The sentence was executed; and 750 Jews were killed in cold blood. Huyayy was the last to die, with his last breath denouncing Mohammed as an impostor...
http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/10...

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#959 Nov 25, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
you can find numerous Hadiths and verses about how muslims shouldn't fight for loot or any other reason, otherwise if anyone fights for loot or any other reason he will not be rewarded in the after life and if he died during the Battle he certainly wouldnt be a true martyr, Fighting should be only for the sake of Allah and spreading Justice, besides all spoils after a Battle should be divided to all Muslims Equally.
Just because they were supposed to be fighting for Islam doesn't mean they didn't also like the idea of the loot.
I thought only those who fought received booty?
hazem selawi wrote:
you may forgot that Mekkah is way old, and Ka'aba is considered to be the first temple in the world,
I don't think historians agree with you on that.

“Islam claims that is an ancient historical city which existed long before Christ, dating as far back as the time of Abraham. A powerful argument against this claim is the absence of any inscriptions found on monuments, or in any archaeological records dating back to those times. The ancient cities and kingdoms of do have rich histories which survive to this day through monuments, the inscriptions they bear, and in other archaeological documents. These historical records have given archaeologists a highly-integrated and, in some cases, complete record of the names of kings who ruled these cities and kingdoms. These records have also given archaeologists important information about the history of the wars fought over the kingdoms and cities of . In most cases, inscriptions and monuments in various cities – especially in the western and southwestern portions of – even give the names of coregents who ruled with the kings. Yet, even with this rich collection of historical and archaeological information, there are no inscriptions or monuments, or other archaeological findings whatsoever, that mention Mecca.”
http://religionresearchinstitute.org/mecca/ar...
hazem selawi wrote:
Abraham Peace be upon him built that place and people used to go to Mekkah to perform different Rituals even so it is a false Rituals and they were worshiping false idols and Statues (there were over 360 Statues worshiped as gods by different tribes ), people used to come to Mekkah from different places and countries since the day of Abraham, so it would be very Profitable for those who ruled Mekkah.
What evidence do you have that Abraham ever went to Mecca apart from the Quran?(There's actually no evidence outside of the Bible and Quran that he even existed.)
Wouldn't the simple fact that the Kaaba was used as a pagan temple suggest it was built as a pagan temple?
hazem selawi wrote:
First of all God gave Mohammed a miracle which is the Quran, it would make no sense and no one would believed Mohammed without a miracle, Mohammed's miracle was the Quran, people of Quraysh were the best in Arabic language, Eloquence and poetry, Allah challenged Quraish through Mohammed to produce a book like Quran at first after that challenged them again to produce 10 chapters like Quran, the last challenge was to get only 1 chapter like Quran, they failed to produce even one chapter although they are the best in Arabic language.
The problem with tests like this is that it's all subjective. Who judges?
Also it doesn't translate well.

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#960 Nov 25, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
Quraish accused Mohammed of being a liar and a magician not mad , and thought that he practiced magic over them as Quran was to them something weird and couldn't accept, some of them used to put their fingers in their ears to avoid listening to the Quranic verses.
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Miracl...
the Quran doesnt state that Mohammed is mad.
I do check most of my claims.

15:6 And yet, they [who deny the truth] say: "O thou unto whom this reminder has [allegedly] been bestowed from on high: verily, thou art mad!

68:51 Hence,[be patient,] even though they who are bent on denying the truth would all but kill thee with their eyes whenever they hear this reminder, and [though] they say, "[As for Mubammad,] behold, most surely he is a madman!"

34:8 Does he [knowingly] attribute his own lying inventions to God - or is he a madman?” Nay,[there is no madness in this Prophet -] but they who will not believe in the life to come are [bound to lose themselves] in suffering and in a profound aberration.

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#961 Nov 25, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Only by the ignorant.
Here is one example of a temple many thousands of years older.
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history-archaeo...
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that temple is only 11,000 years old, Ka'aba was built by Abraham ..!!!! some scholars say that Abraham even rebuilt it
Thinking

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#962 Nov 25, 2013
Remind me again why sod all islamists win Nobel prizes these days?
hazem selawi wrote:
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that temple is only 11,000 years old, Ka'aba was built by Abraham ..!!!! some scholars say that Abraham even rebuilt it

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#963 Nov 25, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Saddam invaded Iran and I can assure you that crimes were committed then.
Saddam invaded Kuwait and I can assure you that crimes were committed then. Saddam committed genocide against Iraqi Kurds and I can assure you that crimes were committed then.
Saddam tortured and murders thousands of Shiite Muslims, and I can assure you that crimes were committed then.
First of all I told you that i am not a big fan of Saddam, I am against putting Saddam's regime as an excuse to invade Iraq.
America Invaded Iraq, Afghanistan and the whole world can assure you that crimes against Women, childs and civilians were committed and on a big scale.
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well certainly not factual history anyway. So, not the next day, you seem to be forgetting a whole raft of time starting with the original slow decline of the Ottoman empire in the 16/17/18 hundreds. Then the end of WW1 when the Ottoman empire was finally broken up in 1918 to the end of WW2 and beyond to 1948 when Palestine was turned into Israel because the Israelis were on the winning side. There is a whole lot of politics there that you claim is not your favourite subject (and it shows). That is not so say that I agree with the situation in Palestine but it is the situation I have to accept.
I think it was obvious that I didnt mean the actual next day, and it seems like you forgot or dont know about Balfour Declaration (1917)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declarat...
the balfour declaration was a letter from the United Kingdom's Foreign Secretary Arthur James Balfour to Baron Rothschild,
in that letter balfour promised the Jews to establish in Palestine a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object

-I hope you are aware of Sykes–Picot Agreement (1916)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sykes%E2%80%93Pi...

this agreement effectively divided the Arab provinces of the Ottoman Empire outside the Arabian peninsula into areas of future British and French control or influence.

before 1948 there was not an actual Isreal, they were only a bunch of immigrants under the protection of British Army, So Basically the British tricked Arabs ; that Sykes–Picot Agreement divided the Arab provinces into areas of future British and French control.

you should also read about McMahon–Hussein Correspondence (1916),
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McMahon%E2%80%93...
The letters declared that the Arabs would revolt in alliance with the United Kingdom, and in return the UK would recognize Arab independence. Later, the 1917 Sykes–Picot Agreement between France and UK was exposed showing that the two countries were planning to split and occupy parts of the promised Arab country.

so its whether Hussein (the son of Arab leader that time ) was a betrayer or just got tricked, anyways he and his father decided to become allies with UK against Muslims, that is enough for me to say that they betrayed Islam and Muslims, the King of my country is the great grandson of Al Shareef Hussein (Leader of Arab revolt), So dont come and tell me your country did this or that, I expect nothing from my country but continual betrayal to Muslims.

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#964 Nov 25, 2013
Igor Trip wrote:
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As the Quran never mentions anyone dying in Mecca I'm suspicious of that claim, though the Quran does mention persecution.
How would their treatment compare to people of other religions preaching against Islam in Islamic countries? How do you think such people should be treated?
If someone was to start preaching a strange religion you might ignore him but if your neighbours, friends or even family started to convert to his faith then how would you react?
you should read Mohammed's biography, yes they werent comfortable with Mohammed's religion it was an obvious Threat to their interests and way of life, but their way of life was wrong , and after all Allah gave Muslims victory and that is the most important thing, not to mention that there was a lot of People who welcomed Mohammed and were ready to die to spread the message of Islam.
good people would certainly welcome a religion that give rights to women, make people equal, encourage family relations, put slaves in the same degree with their owners....etc , besides Mohammed's miracle the Quran which was obvious to them that this book cannot be made up by humans taking in consideration that people of Mekkah were very interested in poetry and the accuracy of Arabic language.
those who saw the actual religion and witnessed the Miracle of Quran with their own eyes and still wouldn't believe are way more different than nowadays disbelievers , there is a chapter in the Quran specially for one of the Quraysh leaders , he fought Muslims , tortured them with the best possible ways , even his wife helped him .
Al Masad 111
"May the hands of Abu Lahab be ruined, and ruined is he.
His wealth will not avail him or that which he gained.
He will [enter to] burn in a Fire of [blazing] flame
And his wife [as well]- the carrier of firewood.
Around her neck is a rope of [twisted] fiber."
this Sura was revealed years before the death of Abu Lahab, if Abu Lahab converted to Islam he could ruin the whole Quran and destroy the religion of Islam , because this Surah obviously indicates that Abu Lahab will go to Hell, thus if he converted Quran will be wrong and he knew it but still didnt convert.

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#965 Nov 25, 2013
Igor Trip wrote:
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I do check most of my claims.
15:6 And yet, they [who deny the truth] say: "O thou unto whom this reminder has [allegedly] been bestowed from on high: verily, thou art mad!
68:51 Hence,[be patient,] even though they who are bent on denying the truth would all but kill thee with their eyes whenever they hear this reminder, and [though] they say, "[As for Mubammad,] behold, most surely he is a madman!"
34:8 Does he [knowingly] attribute his own lying inventions to God - or is he a madman?” Nay,[there is no madness in this Prophet -] but they who will not believe in the life to come are [bound to lose themselves] in suffering and in a profound aberration.
yes the Quran mentioned what People of Quraysh accused Mohammed, they accused him of being mad,liar, magician among with other names, even previous prophets were mistreated horribly by their people, some of previous prophets were killed by the most brutal ways.

sorry for the misunderstanding, I thought you meant Quran states that mohammed is Mad, while Quran states what disbelievers accused Mohammed to be.
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#966 Nov 25, 2013
Religion = superstition
Theology = mythology

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#967 Nov 25, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Not my fellow, I think I have only ever communicated with him a couple of times at most. However on the subjects of funnymentalist terrorism (and several other topics) we seem to agree.
Yes I am cherry picking a particular selected verse. So do YOU, you have done it from day one in our communication so don’t be surprised when I use the same tactic. So do many, many muslim funnymentalist used such cherry picking as and excuse for their hatred of the west. Do not take this as an insult to Islam, christian funnymentalist do exactly the same thing.
What has praying 5 times a day got to do with anything? I know christians who pray several times a day, nothing special for a religious person.
I am sorry for saying that "Igor Trip" is your fellow, you dont have to make a big deal out of it, your cherry picking is way different than my cherry picking, you take verses out of context while I don't, I take in consideration other teachings that are directly linked to these different verses.

regarding praying 5 times a day with a specific terms Steps and accurate movements is one of the 5 pillars of Islam, so Basically praying is a huge part in the Islamic religion, while in the Quran you will only find verses order us to pray without any details, I wanted to make a point which is you cannot explain verses of Quran without taking in consideration the Teachings of Mohammed, if we did so Muslims would still dont know how to pray or to make Wudu before prayers.
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I also know Muslims who do not pray. I also know that although women are not actually banned from worship on the mosque, if one is brave enough to face the resentment you men offer then they are segregated to the back or side, out of the way, like the second class person you Quran teaches.
women are not banned from worshiping and praying on the mosque but its preferred for them to pray at their homes, there are specific prayers during the year encourage women to go to the mosque, Like Eid prayer, I dont know what made you assume that women praying in the back was made to make them like second class in the community ?!! why didnt you think that Islam made women pray in the back to protect them from men who might check them up during getting up and kneeling ?!!
Islam protects women from bad people who may take advantage of them even in mosque, even the Education in universities and schools should be done within separated places, Although my country is not applying any of these teachings but I have to tell what Islam actually teaches.
Islam prohibits the mingling of males and females for fun, You cannot talk to a guy for fun , there should be a reason and a very good reason behind it.
I have christian friends who said that they go to church to hook up girls.
those Muslims you know and who don't pray, please tell them that they are no longer Muslims, they lost Islam the second they stopped praying, so tell them to make Wudu say Shahada and go back to Islam.

if they quit praying because of laziness, some scholars say that wouldn't take them out of Islam but of course is a very big sin.
I prefer to go with the first opinion.

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#968 Nov 25, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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You also should take into consideration humanity, yet you don’t, you ignore it in favour of dark age rhetoric .
Being emotional is not a duty and you see plenty of women working as taxi drivers and in construction. But maybe not in the middle east where women are treated as second class citizens and in some countries are not even allowed to drive. Oh yes and you also see emotional men.
Islam is all about humanity and applying the best ways of life, Islam take in consideration everything and the consequences of every action, I never said that being emotional is a duty, it’s the nature of women , so women and men complete each other, how could men succeed without women …!!!! Yes I do know that there are women working as taxi drivers but still a very few percentage, forgive me if I find specific Job inappropriate for women.
Islam takes in consideration the nature of women’s body and structure; it would be really hard for a woman during a specific time in the month to work in a construction field or jobs that require a very big physical effort.
Now you may jump and say there are now pills to stop period, I say there are very dangerous side effects.
ChristineM wrote:
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So you are saying that men are in charge of women because they can hit harder? Honey most women are capable of looking after themselves and many do. Do you really think that you are dominant over me? You have shown again and again that of the two of us you are the weaker mentality.
Yes there are several rules, so it is no coincidence that in Islam men crave dominance over women.
I never claimed to be dominant over you, you assumed so, I think that women and men complete each other, besides why the hell would I be dominant over you?!!

Do you actually think that Islam allows men to be dominant over women, men have responsibilities as well as women.
ChristineM wrote:
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There you go again with the emotion cop out. You are saying that it’s ok for a guy to say screw you and screw the family that he has helped create because he is not emotional yet not ok for women to have the same rights? You are saying that men have more control over their feeling than women? Tell me which gender most goes out murdering and suicide bombing? Are you saying that emotion is not involved there? Which gender has the higher tolerance to pain? Oh look, women come out on top again. Honey your emotion argument is a poor argument.
There you go again, different rules for women and you don’t see the double standards you employ here?
If a man wanted a divorce he doesn’t say Screw you, he says “Talliq”, screw you is way different than “Talliq”, Screw you may be told by a boy friend to his girlfriend, Talliq means responsibilities and rights to the divorced woman, the husband cannot simply say Talliq to his Wife before the completion of multiple steps, Islam is flexible and marriage rules can be written down in the marriage contract.
ChristineM wrote:
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Honey, anyone claiming that a god exists is a liar, so don’t think you are unique. Yes feel free to explain Islamic rules but do not cherry pick those rules to suite your personal interpretation.
I agree that it would not be beneficial but it still does not stop the preaching and threats and murders on all sides.
what do you have to lose ?!! you may get a closer look to 1.6 billion muslims’ beliefs.

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