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There are 3147 comments on the Examiner.com story from Sep 14, 2013, titled Richard Dawkins - God is evil, pedophilesa not so bad. In it, Examiner.com reports that:

"The God of the Qur'an is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.

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#887 Nov 21, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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Christine I am not ignorant and I am not funnymentalist either,
All I was trying to do for the past 10 days is to tell you that you misunderstood Islam and never gave me the chance to explain anything, Sharia laws and Islam is very wide and contain so many topics and laws,thus its not as easy as it looks to discuss 10 topic at the same time.
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Thank you for highlighting a specific subject, Christine Islam and Quran was revealed to Mohammed 1400 years ago, in that period women were mistreated, they literally had no rights, they were treated like objects and maybe less, even some of Arabs used to bury their own daughters to hide their disgrace, Islam gave rights to women centuries before western countries.
The bombardment of stones to the head is for both women and men who commits adultery but only to married people (a cheating husband or wife), yet in order to get bombarded to the head, the cheater whether a man or a woman should do it in front of 4 witnesses or with a complete confession, do you know that if one of the 4 witnesses hesitated in front of the judge ; the 4 of them will get a 100 or 80 lashes for accusing an innocent man or woman.
So if a husband or a wife cheated and committed adultery they have to do it in front of 4 witnesses, the 4 witnesses should actually see the inner course action (sorry for using this language)...!!!! its not enough to see a man and a women in a room alone, so its almost impossible to get caught, stoning to death happened only 2 times during Mohammed's life and both cases were with complete confession.
the punishment of unmarried men and women if committed fornication,
is to get 100 lashes but also there should be 4 witnesses who saw the whole thing or with complete confession.
if a man accused a girl of ….
Oh you are extremely funnymentalist, there is no doubt, it really does not matter how hard you stamp your foot.

I know exactly what you were trying to do, you were assuming that I am a woman and that I am unable to think for myself and therefore tried to impose Islamic belief on me.

I know Islam and sharia has a wide scope. That does not mitigate the restrictions and barbarism sharia law offers. Islam itself is generally fine and a comfort to a lot of people, however it’s the sharia law that screws it up.

You are the one who wanted to discuss Islam on topix, do not blame the tool for the faults of the user.

Does the fact that stoning is reserved for both men and women make it right in your eyes? Funny really that in recent times, certainly in my memory it is only women that have been reported as being stoned to death. Perhaps it’s because the weight of a woman’s testimony ids only half that of a mans. A fact I notice you omitted from your reply

The number of witnesses makes no difference to the law and are you trying to entice me into Islam with the fact that under sharia law people can still be whipped? The last western place in which whipping was allowed by law was a small, semi independent island off the coast of England with a population of less than my nearest town.. The court of human rights put paid to that atrocity

I do not have to bare in mind anything to do with Sharia law, it is a barbaric system that belongs in the dark ages

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#888 Nov 21, 2013
Siro wrote:
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Thats all you deserve, insults.
I didnt have a religious upbringing so up yours
Skeptic does nothing but insults and hes your intellectual superior
^^^^^This is why no one takes you seriously^^^^^

Then again, maybe the dingo ate your baby.
Thinking

Merthyr Tydfil, UK

#889 Nov 21, 2013
Four less muslims will be claiming benefits in the UK.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-new...

Less stupid facial hair on Britain's streets.
MrDesoto1 wrote:
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This Cult of Cowards do not care who they kill as long as they get the attention. This religion comes with a sword, is dangerous, and needs to be eradicated from Earth since they cannot live peacefully with anyone.

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#890 Nov 21, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Four less muslims will be claiming benefits in the UK.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-new...
Less stupid facial hair on Britain's streets.
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Four less extremists, and only about 112 million to go. If only they would stay in the Middle East and kill each other off there without their Cult of Violence spilling over onto civilized peoples, I say let them have at it.
Thinking

Merthyr Tydfil, UK

#891 Nov 21, 2013
Hopefully they'll grow out of it.
MrDesoto1 wrote:
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Four less extremists, and only about 112 million to go. If only they would stay in the Middle East and kill each other off there without their Cult of Violence spilling over onto civilized peoples, I say let them have at it.

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#892 Nov 21, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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I know exactly what you were trying to do, you were assuming that I am a woman and that I am unable to think for myself and therefore tried to impose Islamic belief on me.
I never said you are unable to think for yourself, you Assumed that
I think so, because from the first time I knew you are an educated woman who knows what she is talking about, beside Aisha (The mother of muslims) and Mohammed's wife taught thousands of Muslims and narrated over 2000 Hadith about Mohammed, those Hadiths have numerous rules that Muslims apply in their daily life , so basically you are the one who assumed that Muslims underestimate women.
ChristineM wrote:
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I know Islam and sharia has a wide scope. That does not mitigate the restrictions and barbarism sharia law offers. Islam itself is generally fine and a comfort to a lot of people, however it’s the sharia law that screws it up.
It all comes together, A Muslim cannot say I will take something from it and leave something else, A Muslim basically If believed in god and in Mohammed's prophecy he would know for sure that all these rules came down from a merciful god who knows the best for us.
ChristineM wrote:
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Does the fact that stoning is reserved for both men and women make it right in your eyes? Funny really that in recent times, certainly in my memory it iomen thats only w have been reported as being stoned to death.
yes actually it does look right in my eyes, because we previously discussed the results of a community with no red lines, beside Islam educates its followers to do good in the first place (its all about dos and don'ts), but there still would be a percentage in the community who want to break the rules thus we need punishments for the sake of the public, even those who want to break the rules should be punished in a specific way, and each case has its special circumstances.

for the testimony, women in Islam have so many duties and they are responsible for numerous things, most of women are responsible of raising the kids, that responsibility by itself is very hard and may Confuses things.

2:282 "And bring to witness two witnesses from among your men. And if there are not two men [available], then a man and two women from those whom you accept as witnesses - so that if one of the women errs, then the other can remind her "

in your memory certainly only women were reported to be stoned to death because you already assumed that Islam underestimate and mistreat women.
ChristineM wrote:
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The number of witnesses makes no difference to the law and are you trying to entice me into Islam with the fact that under sharia law people can still be whipped?
The punishment of a thief who stole to get richer is to cut his hand, I already mentioned Zimbabwe as one of the poorest countries in the world because of the corruption among the government, There are men who literally stole the country and left thousands of people to die out of hunger, so yeah definitely they deserve the punishment of getting one of their hands cut.

and yes whipping someone who wanted to send another to get stoned to death or accused an innocent girl of committing adultery or called her a whore to ruin her life and her reputation deserves to be whipped in public, and it is also a lesson for others not to do it.
These punishments should be applied after giving people their rights and guarantee to them a Decent life, that's why you cannot cut someone's hand for stealing to survive.

in Islam nobody has an excuse to do anything bad, so instead of fornication you can simply get married, if you cannot afford marriage ,your family is responsible to pay expenses, and if your family cannot afford it, some of Zakkah (2.5% what wealthy Muslims should pay every year) should be specified to guarantee marriage for young men and women.

Islam doesn't leave a room for coincidences.

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#893 Nov 21, 2013
Thinking wrote:
What gives you the right to say the shiites are wrong but the sunnis are right? It's just the opinion of some bronze age wankers. It is not peer reviewed science.
Yet another reason that I think all scripture is abject bollocks.
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you are twisting words, you previously accused me of lying, and claimed that I practice Taqqiyah on you, I just showed you that Sunni -Muslims don't have such a thing, besides I am not saying who is right or wrong, authentic Islamic teachings have a specific rules and criteria and Shiites scholars and scientists are not following this criteria, lets say for instance you decided to leave one of the 5 pillars of Islam or change on of them that would instantly take you out of Islam, and shiites are fabricating and changing some of the most important rules in Islam, and I was clear that there are also numerous sects within shiite sect itself.

big and important Muslim scholars say that the scientists (Mulla or Imam) are infidels but the followers are ignorant and were miss leaded by those Imams who obviously and intentionally changed the most important beliefs in Islam for their own interest.

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#894 Nov 21, 2013
Thinking wrote:
The majority of victims of suicide bombings are...
...muslims.
Don't you see how dumb that looks to me?
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I don't discuss people actions, its pretty obvious that some extremists use Islam to justify their own action.

if you want this discussion to get longer, get some actual and authentic teachings of Islam that order to kill civilians and other Muslims, otherwise we'll be only wasting time.

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#895 Nov 21, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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So the twin towers were crowded with US military personnel and the streets of london were awash with invaders – go figure?
If course you can compare, the only difference is the reason and that reason has obviously not been thought out very well. 72 virgins. Have you ever considered the havoc and squabbling and childish yapping you would have to put up with in a crowd of 72 immature girls. And of course where did allah magically produce 72 virgins from anyway?
In the end both the suicide bomber and the od’s junky end up dead
as I told your friend I don't discuss people actions who intentionally use the name of Islam to justify their own actions.

on the other hand I Always wondered how come nobody calls Americans terrorists although they killed hundreds of thousand of innocent people in Afghanistan, Iraq and Somalia ??!!

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#896 Nov 21, 2013
Thinking wrote:
islamists must mainly be cowards then.
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so those who blow themselves up in a crowd of invaders are cowards while killing civilians, women and children by fighter aircraft is not?!! please try to use some logic next time.
Thinking

Merthyr Tydfil, UK

#897 Nov 21, 2013
The majority of victims of suicide bombings are...

...muslims.

Don't you see how dumb that looks to me?
hazem selawi wrote:
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I don't discuss people actions, its pretty obvious that some extremists use Islam to justify their own action.
if you want this discussion to get longer, get some actual and authentic teachings of Islam that order to kill civilians and other Muslims, otherwise we'll be only wasting time.
Thinking

Merthyr Tydfil, UK

#898 Nov 21, 2013
The majority of victims of suicide bombings are...

...muslims.

Don't you see how dumb that looks to me?
hazem selawi wrote:
<quoted text>
so those who blow themselves up in a crowd of invaders are cowards while killing civilians, women and children by fighter aircraft is not?!! please try to use some logic next time.

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#899 Nov 22, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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What do you know about Afghanistan and Taliban movement ?!! you gotta stop believing what your screwed media show.
Well the Taliban seems to love to boast of their gruesome activities.

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#900 Nov 22, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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“As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them.”
That is the Islamic teaching aimed to subdue women to the will of him with the quickest fist or biggest stick
Hazem & co. seems to think this is the way women should be treated. Even how women want to be treated. It is indoctrinated from birth and ingrained into their every fibre. You cannot tell them this is the 21st century because they live in the violence and hatred of the dark ages and so do not understand. The society and civilisation of today would seem like magic to the 19th century observer, imagine how it seems to one living with 9th century attitudes years previously.
Any attempt to educate funnymentalist like Hazem and they pull the incredulous card and shout the age old cry that only they are right because their mythical god told them so.
The quran is a dark age verson of bronze age myth and so tempered with even more intolerance and hatred than the bronze age Tanakh from which it was copied
Too bad we in the west are told that we must be tolerant of an intolerant book.

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#901 Nov 22, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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I never said you are unable to think for yourself, you Assumed that
I think so, because from the first time I knew you are an educated woman who knows what she is talking about, beside …

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You are intolerant and condescending to women, certainly to me anyway you make guesses about me and have lied about me. Your god book teaches you women are inferior and so you feel this it is natural to the extent that you do not even comprehend you own attitude. But hey don’t feel bad, you are intolerant and condescending to anyone who does not care to bow down to your god five times a day.

A persons personal opinions are not “know for sure”, a persons personal opinions are opinion.

It may look right in your eyes, which says a lot about your primitive barbarism. I suppose it will take a few centuries of civilised education will make you realise.

Islam teaches some good, however it also teaches horrendous bad. Intolerance, stoning and other barbaric dark age punishments, suicide bombing, murder of people who do not believe your way.

Are you saying that the laws in the US and UK and France and Germany etc. etc. In fact ALL those democratic countries who uphold their democratic laws and incidentally consider human rights to be paramount do not punish wrongdoers?

There you go again,“most of women are responsible of raising the kids”. Yet you happily rejoice that the “ownership” of those kids should revert to the man once the women have done the dirty work of raising them as babies and toddlers. Have you ever thought that perhaps YOU bare half the responsibility for the babies you sire too? No of course you haven’t, screw humanity, screw morality, it’s simply not the Muslim way,

No those responsible for the corruption in Zimbabwe deserve the punishment of the law of the land in which they committed the crimes. If the country has no suitable laws to prosecute the crime then the UN can brought in.

More middle age barbarism, removing limbs is not any answer. Think on the consequences of disabling a person for life. Who will employ a person wearing the emblazoned and disfiguring tattoo of his crime? That person will only by necessity of your version of “just” punishment return to theft to maintain his family and himself. The punishment is self defeating.

Also whipping is no answer either or are you saying the threat of whipping prevents such malicious gossip from occurring? Funny how it continues to occur then isn’t it?

In any law-abiding country no one has any excuse to do anything bad, that does not stop bad happening. However bad is a relative term, for example, in a civilised society stoning and deliberate physical mutation are seen as bad and yet you welcome those acts. Whereas what you consider fornication, others consider love or freedom or pleasure even necessity.

Coincidences happen and million to one coincidence happen nine times out of ten. Islam does not leave room for individual freedom.

I do notice that you have only addressed one of my points, unsatisfactorily in my view and TOTALLY ignored the fact that the quran teaches that women are inferior and that a womans testimony under sharia law is worth only half of a mans testimony. Nor have you addressed the marriage laws and divorce laws or child custody laws.

I wonder why?

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#902 Nov 22, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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as I told your friend I don't discuss people actions who intentionally use the name of Islam to justify their own actions.
on the other hand I Always wondered how come nobody calls Americans terrorists although they killed hundreds of thousand of innocent people in Afghanistan, Iraq and Somalia ??!!
Cop out.

You made a statement that Muslims to not murder civilians yet when such MASS murder is pointed out to you (big time) you shrug you shoulders and say “not me officer must have been someone else with a different religion”

What makes you think that no one calls US soldiers terrorist, in some situations I agree that they act like terrorist, however generally they do not act without UN sanction.

Actually not hundreds of thousands but certainly tens of thousands.

Although not an excuse certainly it is a mitigation that NATO have restricted the barbaric actions of the Taliban for several years in Afghanistan and arguably saved thousands of lives. There is now a democratic (if shakey) government in place and the country is rapidly dragging itself into the 21st century. You also must remember that the action in Afghanistan was primarily the result of the 7/11 attacks in order to dismantle the al-Qaeda terrorist organisation.

The reasons given for both in the US and UK for the intervention in Iraq were pure lies. However I believe the vast majority of Iranian citizens welcomed the US and partners intervention against saddam after he had murdered at least 100,000 Kurdish Iraqis and more than half a million Shiite people and the more than half a million deaths when he invaded Iran and Kuwait. That is an average of 13750 deaths PER DAY that saddam was directly responsible for. Most certainly the Muslims I know (including 3 Iranians) are glad for the intervention.

Both actions were sanctioned by UN resolution. Jordan (your country I believe, correct me if I am wrong). Is a long time member of the UN General Assembly and is currently seeking a term on the UN security council. Note that the Arab League. Jordan, and the UAE are all instrumental in fulfilling the mission in Iraq.

Somalia was a different kettle of fish it was originally an UN humanitarian action monitoring a cease fire. After some time the US took oversight of the mission. Following the broadcast of murdered US peace keeping soldiers being dragged through the streets the US reacted typically. However they did wait for a US resolution this making their actions legal.

Tell me were al qaeda UN sanctioned when they killed thousands in the twin towers?

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treat you they get offended.

#903 Nov 22, 2013
emperorjohn wrote:
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Too bad we in the west are told that we must be tolerant of an intolerant book.
Hmm, it;’s not all quran. As you know the babble book and tanakh also teach intolerance.
Thinking

Merthyr Tydfil, UK

#904 Nov 22, 2013
If al qaeeda is so successful why do they still use VHS?
Is optical disc haram?
emperorjohn wrote:
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Well the Taliban seems to love to boast of their gruesome activities.

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#905 Nov 22, 2013
Thinking wrote:
If al qaeeda is so successful why do they still use VHS?
Is optical disc haram?
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"why do they still use VHS?"

They could not figure out how to open the top cover of their Betamax.
Thinking

Merthyr Tydfil, UK

#906 Nov 22, 2013
This charity song went out when Bin Laden was hiding in Pakistan. The style is a parody of an old 50s comedian called George Formby. It's where I got the VHS line from.

MrDesoto1 wrote:
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"why do they still use VHS?"
They could not figure out how to open the top cover of their Betamax.

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