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Richard Dawkins - God is evil, pedophilesa not so bad

There are 3147 comments on the Examiner.com story from Sep 14, 2013, titled Richard Dawkins - God is evil, pedophilesa not so bad. In it, Examiner.com reports that:

"The God of the Qur'an is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.

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victoria

Newton Abbot, UK

#762 Nov 18, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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you keep saying that I know my cult is a lie !!! why would I believe in it and apply it in my life if I knew it was a Lie , I could simply leave Islam, its not like I was forced to be a Muslim.
2:256 : "There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion..."
18:29 "And say, "The truth is from your Lord, so whoever wills - let him believe; and whoever wills - let him disbelieve..."
88:21-22 "So remind,[O Muhammad]; you are only a reminder, You are not over them a controller. "
if I had a 1% doubts that Islam is a lie I would have left it years ago.
You say if you believed islam was a cult and indeed s lie you would just leave and no one forced you to be muslim. Might i inquire were you born into it or are you a convert,And if you were born into it you are by a muslimaa right not supposed to leave your family disowns you and want you dead for leaving islam i think thata big incentive to making you stay and af for force force of the sord sound familiar to you.There have been islamic fanatice broadcasting to the whole of that they better all convert if they dont want to get bombed that sounds somewhat trying to force to me.the fact is muslims do force and make sure there damn hardest to make sure if you are born muslim then you die a muslim or otherwise they can just kill you and if you converted well you sre obviously mentally ill and needed help which unfortunately you did not get.I mean yes i could run off and be a muslim tomorrow and what would i have to do to be one.Give up mt job because i work where men are give up my car give uo my boyfriend give up the freedom of where i go when i go and who i go with have to ask permission to leave my house nad be expexted to serve men in evrything the ask simply because they are men and women dont matter that is what islam tecahes so you see eitheir you were born into it and have no cloice or your just a person who is an moron to join this sham of a religion.If you want to find god there sre so many better eays of doing it try one of them at least with them you wont face open hostility.

Since: Jun 07

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#763 Nov 18, 2013
LCNLin wrote:
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Those addicted to "Atheist Cult Syndrome" , which ridicules, mocks, scorns and satirizes the idea of the existence of a deity or deities seems to express itself on threads rather than real life.
With Richard Dawkins moving from atheism to agnostic point of view , the atheist philosophy loses one of its' members.
Failed creationist trolls like Lincoln will attack Dawkins, because they've realised they can't attack Atheism.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#764 Nov 18, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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so now you claim that your american laws are doing well ?!! i'll give you a hint
1-HIV : CDC estimates that 1,148,200 persons aged 13 years and older are living with HIV infection, including 207,600 (18.1%) who are unaware of their infection. http://aids.gov/hiv-aids-basics/hiv-aids-101/...
your well designed laws were able to prevent HIV, and apparently is capable of curing all these people who are now waiting for death...!!!!!
2- according to Economic policy Journal the murders of each year in America are indicated as : 2009 2010
13,752 12,996
http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2012/12/...
your well designed laws certainly were capable of preventing crimes, a killer could easily go to prison for 5 to 7 years and will be free again, we need some prevention and punishment laws...!!
3-illegitimacy or bastardy: In 2011, 39.5% of all births in the 27 EU countries were extramarital. In that year, births outside marriage represented a majority in Iceland (65.0%), Estonia (59.7%), Slovenia (56.8%), Bulgaria (56.1%), France (55.8%), Norway (55.0%), Sweden (54.3%), and Belgium (50%). The proportion of extramarital births is also approaching half in Denmark (49%), the United Kingdom (47.3%) and the Netherlands (45.3%).[18] Other European countries with a high rate of extramarital births for the year 2011 are Latvia (44.6%), Hungary (42.3%), Czech Republic (41.8%), Finland (40.9%), Austria (40.4%), Luxembourg (34.1%), Slovakia (34.0%), Germany (33.5%).[19] The lowest proportion of births outside marriage was found in Greece (7.4%) and Cyprus (16.9%).[20]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legitimacy_ (law)
The consequences of illegitimacy have pertained mainly to a child's rights of inheritance to the putative father's estate and the child's right to bear the father's surname or title. Illegitimacy has also had consequences for the mother's and child's right to support from the putative father not to mention the social consequences the illegitimate child would face during his life.
4- Divorce :In 2002 (latest survey data as of 2012),[13] 29% of first marriages among women aged 15–44 were disrupted (ended in separation, divorce or annulment) within 10 years, PolitiFact.com estimated in 2012 that the lifelong probability of a marriage ending in divorce is 40%–50%
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divorce_in_the_U...
again your well designed laws were capable of preventing divorce and save millions of families...!!! your community is failing, once you lose the family the community will tear apart.
I am not going to discuss the Sharia laws and the solutions of all world problems, I will just discuss these problems with you and see what man made laws will offer in the next 10 years.
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so my sharia laws are harsh and violent but I hope you are not comparing it to your lovely man made laws because so far we witnessed nothing but injustice, destruction, demolition, death
, Loss of rights, sadness and Diseases brought to the community by your lovely laws.
the Sharia Law offers prevention and punishments, the prevention in Islam by itself may be enough to stop 90% the destruction, after that we need punishments to maintain a perfect community.
care to comment
You're just another simple minded liar with no proof of god at the end of the day.

Your cult is worthless and can't be defended. Mentally ill people like you need to seek help instead of getting validated by ignorant and dangerous cults.
Thinking

Royston, UK

#765 Nov 18, 2013
When you ignore Lincunt he posts something desperately facile like "England has ducks living in it", anything he thinks will have some link to you. Odd!
ChristineM wrote:
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Nope, in real life too, the thing is you are never around in real life to see.
Dawkins is perfectly entitled to believe whatever he feels like believing, just as you are, this is where it all seems to fall over for you, you are never happy when other people believe what they want, you are only happy when they believe what you want them to believe
Professor Dawkins said:'On a scale of seven, where one means I know he exists, and seven I know he doesn't, I call myself a six.'
He is a scientist and in the true nature of science he is unwilling to believe 100% in either eventuality unless falsifiable evidence can be provided.
However using that logic then everyone is agnostic because no one can prove his existence. Wooppeee time for LCNLin to jump with joy, he is agnostic.
Anyway, atheism does not really work like that, Unlike godbots like you, an atheist does not generally gloat over numbers, they tend to believe what can be proved and have no belief in what cannot be proved, and your god cannot be proved, hence Dawkins statement – end of story.

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#766 Nov 18, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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so now you claim that your american laws are doing well ?!! i'll give you a hint
Blah, Blah, blah…
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Blah, Blah, blah…
care to comment
You childish fool, how very wrong you are and you don’t even realise how foolish your are -. I live in the UK and am not concerned by US law unless I visit the US, then I am bound by the laws of that country in just the same way as I am bound by the laws of any country I visit while I am in that country.

However as it stands my statement stands for the US too, the laws were implemented under a democratic government.

HIV has nothing to do with the law, however you should note that in Africa (a largely Moslim continent with a population 3 times that of the US) approximately 8% of the population have HIV. And of course you could argue that your claim that your god created the universe, therefore everything contained in this universe must logically have been created by your god, including HIV, child leukaemia and Ebola etc.

Note that Africa and parts of Asia have a far higher murder rate than the US,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countrie...

As I was saying about mitigating circumstances, yes it is possible under the laws of many countries for a killer to serve a relatively few years in prison. It is also probable when given no mitigating circumstances for a killer to serve life, of in the case in the US, multiple consecutive life sentences. You are also forgetting the controversial 3 strikes and you’re out law of the US.

So you are saying that Muslims do not commit murder and rape? Wow, you are a liar too.

Although marriage and morality have been hijacked by various religions as the god way to do it – how the hell do these godbots assume they know what their gods way is?- People were having sex and children a long, long time before your god was even thought of, long before marriage became an institution so that sick old religutard preachers could get a cheep thrill on the wedding night. And as I have said before it is fook all to do with you or your religion who I have sex with and how many children I bare. My life, my body, not yours so keep your perverted mind off.

Say what? Your spite and venom allow you to bitch about laws (and other crap that you call laws) and yet you are not willing to discuss sharia law, you really are a pathetic wanker.

You have just claimed that US law is too lenient and now in the very same posts you claim injustice, destruction, demolition, death. WTF is wrong with you? Are you really this ignorant to boldly vomit two separate and hateful view points of exactly the same subject in one post – wow, that must be a record.

Loss of rights, for the most part the laws of EU countries and the US are created with the rights of the individual in mind, certainly in modern times with an eye to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

Sadness? A relative term and nothing to do with the law however the United Nations General Assembly's second World Happiness Report appears to list the predominantly atheist Northern European countries as happiest, followed Israel then at #14 came the first Muslim country of UAE, then a bunch more predominantly catholic countries the next happiest Muslim county is Oman at #23
http://www.livescience.com/39489-the-happiest...

Disease? FYI HIV was originally found in Africa, a continent with a considerable Muslim influence. Just because most Islamic states do not recognise HIV does not mean HIV does not exist in Islamic states, it just means they are ignorant of fact.

So sharia law would have stopped the 7/11 destruction and deaths in the US and the 7/7 bombings and deaths in the UK. And the Muslim grooming gangs that roam the UK streets looking for innocent children to rape and torture. Go figure I would not have guessed that.

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#767 Nov 18, 2013
Thinking wrote:
When you ignore Lincunt he posts something desperately facile like "England has ducks living in it", anything he thinks will have some link to you. Odd!
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Yup, is this a hint?

He’s done it before and I know he will do it again, why is this I ask myself?

Its because he has nothing so he must cling on to irrelevancies
Thinking

Royston, UK

#768 Nov 18, 2013
e.g. "BBC did a documentary on irrelevancies once"
ChristineM wrote:
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Yup, is this a hint?
He’s done it before and I know he will do it again, why is this I ask myself?
Its because he has nothing so he must cling on to irrelevancies

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#769 Nov 18, 2013
Thinking wrote:
e.g. "BBC did a documentary on irrelevancies once"
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Talking about the BBC, did you watch the Brian Cox Science of Dr Who?
Thinking

Merthyr Tydfil, UK

#770 Nov 18, 2013
Just watched it - and I think Brian made a mistake on Jim's foray to space. I think 94% of the speed of light makes 10 years feel like 29 years to those left behind, but Brian said 99.4%.

Sorry I'm a maths geek.

Loved the programme, though.
ChristineM wrote:
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Talking about the BBC, did you watch the Brian Cox Science of Dr Who?
Amused

Lowell, MA

#771 Nov 18, 2013
Siro wrote:
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So how can you claim nobody did it?
How could it be witnessed (no humans then)?
And there are no written or oral records from the pre-humans (where you and evolutionists claim everyone came from chimps)
You cannot absolutely rule out a Creator nor can you simply discount as to how existence works to a non random pattern.
You chimpy faced jiggabboo
"Passionate hatred can give meaning and purpose to an empty life. Thus people haunted by the purposelessness of their lives try to find a new content not only by dedicating themselves to a holy cause but also by nursing a fanatical grievance. A mass movement offers them unlimited opportunities for both."

- Eric Hoffer in "The True Believer: Thoughts On The Nature Of Mass Movements"(1951)

Siro explained in three sentences.

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#772 Nov 18, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Just watched it - and I think Brian made a mistake on Jim's foray to space. I think 94% of the speed of light makes 10 years feel like 29 years to those left behind, but Brian said 99.4%.
Sorry I'm a maths geek.
Loved the programme, though.
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I must admit I never spotted so never questioned it and it’s beyond me anyway, I just thought it was interesting, I love the ease Brian explains such subjects
Thinking

Merthyr Tydfil, UK

#773 Nov 18, 2013
Correction: Brian said 99.94% but I believe he meant to say 94%.

I guess you were never taught time dilation but I'm sure it's not beyond you because you listen to the Infinite Monkey Cage and other smart things.

Brian said 99.94% which equals 0.9994

If you put this in Excel or whatever you use:=(1-0.9994^2)^-0.5 you get, to the nearest whole number, 29. So Jim's 10 years would feel like 290 years for us left on Earth.

But Brian said Jim's 10 years would feel like 29.

If instead on 99.94% you put in 94%:=(1-0.94^2)^-0.5 gives you roughly 2.9 - which would make 10 years feel like 29 years and gives the 2042 return date Brian quoted.

This formula is simply Pythagoras' theorem applied to the Jim moving up and down a light whilst on a trolley demo. It's just right angled triangles. You can change the 0.94 figure to any fraction of the speed of light you like to calculate the magnitude of the resulting time dilation.
ChristineM wrote:
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I must admit I never spotted so never questioned it and it’s beyond me anyway, I just thought it was interesting, I love the ease Brian explains such subjects

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#774 Nov 18, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Correction: Brian said 99.94% but I believe he meant to say 94%.
I guess you were never taught time dilation but I'm sure it's not beyond you because you listen to the Infinite Monkey Cage and other smart things.
Brian said 99.94% which equals 0.9994
If you put this in Excel or whatever you use:=(1-0.9994^2)^-0.5 you get, to the nearest whole number, 29. So Jim's 10 years would feel like 290 years for us left on Earth.
But Brian said Jim's 10 years would feel like 29.
If instead on 99.94% you put in 94%:=(1-0.94^2)^-0.5 gives you roughly 2.9 - which would make 10 years feel like 29 years and gives the 2042 return date Brian quoted.
This formula is simply Pythagoras' theorem applied to the Jim moving up and down a light whilst on a trolley demo. It's just right angled triangles. You can change the 0.94 figure to any fraction of the speed of light you like to calculate the magnitude of the resulting time dilation.
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I think you should write in to the BBC and complain
Thinking

Merthyr Tydfil, UK

#775 Nov 18, 2013
Will do, but I'll compliment them on a great show too.

I've already got a complaint going in to the Trust governors next month regarding the removal of a 3rd party's radio downloader service.

I was also on Radio 4's Feedback programme to the same end.

This is the final escalation of a very long process, the BBC is still quite labyrinthine.
ChristineM wrote:
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I think you should write in to the BBC and complain

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#776 Nov 18, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Will do, but I'll compliment them on a great show too.
I've already got a complaint going in to the Trust governors next month regarding the removal of a 3rd party's radio downloader service.
I was also on Radio 4's Feedback programme to the same end.
This is the final escalation of a very long process, the BBC is still quite labyrinthine.
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Best of luck with that
Thinking

Merthyr Tydfil, UK

#777 Nov 18, 2013
Since 1988 UK license payers have had the right to time shift broadcasts however they see fit. Up until then, using a video recorder for taping the TV or a cassette recorder for taping the radio was actually not legal.

In 2014, the BBC plan to put radio programmes into iPlayer so they will time out like TV programmes. This is a real pain, because I want to listen to a series of e.g. The Infinite Monkey Cage or Cabin Pressure when I'm distance driving with my wife. We don't want to find that half of the episodes have gone and deleted themselves before we get to them.

I'll just take the new DRM off them and convert to .mp3 as I do today - I have the law on my side and an upgraded to 240GB iPod full of BBC Radio 4. The BBC keep quoting rights issues back at me but I am quite sure of my legal ground.

Going to watch Prof Cox again. Rufus Hound - next time you fall into a black hole, take your jacket off first!
ChristineM wrote:
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Best of luck with that

Since: Oct 13

Location hidden

#778 Nov 18, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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You childish fool, how very wrong you are and you don’t even realise how foolish your are -. I live in the UK and am not concerned by US law unless I visit the US, then I am bound by the laws of that country in just the same way as I am bound by the laws of any country I visit while I am in that country.
However as it stands my statement stands for the US too, the laws were implemented under a democratic government.
HIV has nothing to do with the law, however you should note that in Africa (a largely Moslim continent with a population 3 times that of the US) approximately 8% of the population have HIV. And of course you could argue that your claim that your god created the universe, therefore everything contained in this universe must logically have been created by your god, including HIV, child leukaemia and Ebola etc.
Note that Africa and parts of Asia have a far higher murder rate than the US,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countrie...
As I was saying about mitigating circumstances, yes it is possible under the laws of many countries for a killer to serve a relatively few years in prison. It is also probable when given no mitigating circumstances for a killer to serve life, of in the case in the US, multiple consecutive life sentences. You are also forgetting the controversial 3 strikes and you’re out law of the US.
So you are saying that Muslims do not commit murder and rape? Wow, you are a liar too.
Although marriage and morality have been hijacked by various religions as the god way to do it – how the hell do these godbots assume they know what their gods way is?- People were having sex and children a long, long time before your god was even thought of, long before marriage became an institution so that sick old religutard preachers could get a cheep thrill on the wedding night. And as I have said before it is fook all to do with you or your religion who I have sex with and how many children I bare. My life, my body, not yours so keep your perverted mind off.
Say what? Your spite and venom allow you to bitch about laws (and other crap that you call laws) and yet you are not willing to discuss sharia law, you really are a pathetic wanker.
You have just claimed that US law is too lenient and now in the very same posts you claim injustice, destruction, demolition, death. WTF is wrong with you? Are you really this ignorant to boldly vomit two separate and hateful view points of exactly the same subject in one post – wow, that must be a record.
Loss of rights, for the most part the laws of EU countries and the US are created with the rights of the individual in mind, certainly in modern times with an eye to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
you didn't get any of my points, and I am not willing to explain anything, I still haven't showed what Sharia law offers yet you are mocking it.

you cannot compare Arabic countries to western countries because the Arabic governments are not applying the sharia law anymore and decided to follow the west...!!

you always miss my points Intentionally, and mock the very little words to Embarrass me.
mocking and making fun of the other party will never prove that you are right.
Thinking

Merthyr Tydfil, UK

#779 Nov 18, 2013
sharia law is bronze age bollocks.
hazem selawi wrote:
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you didn't get any of my points, and I am not willing to explain anything, I still haven't showed what Sharia law offers yet you are mocking it.
you cannot compare Arabic countries to western countries because the Arabic governments are not applying the sharia law anymore and decided to follow the west...!!
you always miss my points Intentionally, and mock the very little words to Embarrass me.
mocking and making fun of the other party will never prove that you are right.

Since: Oct 13

Location hidden

#780 Nov 18, 2013
victoria wrote:
<quoted text>You say if you believed islam was a cult and indeed s lie you would just leave and no one forced you to be muslim. Might i inquire were you born into it or are you a convert,And if you were born into it you are by a muslimaa right not supposed to leave your family disowns you and want you dead for leaving islam i think thata big incentive to making you stay and af for force force of the sord sound familiar to you.There have been islamic fanatice broadcasting to the whole of that they better all convert if they dont want to get bombed that sounds somewhat trying to force to me.the fact is muslims do force and make sure there damn hardest to make sure if you are born muslim then you die a muslim or otherwise they can just kill you and if you converted well you sre obviously mentally ill and needed help which unfortunately you did not get.I mean yes i could run off and be a muslim tomorrow and what would i have to do to be one.Give up mt job because i work where men are give up my car give uo my boyfriend give up the freedom of where i go when i go and who i go with have to ask permission to leave my house nad be expexted to serve men in evrything the ask simply because they are men and women dont matter that is what islam tecahes so you see eitheir you were born into it and have no cloice or your just a person who is an moron to join this sham of a religion.If you want to find god there sre so many better eays of doing it try one of them at least with them you wont face open hostility.
I was born as a Muslim and left Islam when I was 19 and decided not to follow any religion till I became 24 and got back to Islam, its not that hard, "bearing witness that nothing worthy of worshiping except Allah and bearing witness that Mohammed is his messenger and servant " will instantly get me back to Islam ", So I just stopped believing in that for a while till I Found out that Islam is Perfect in every aspect , it has a specific method and rules which made my life easier, after a long study to Quran and Sunnah (Hadith) of Mohammed I found out that every rule and every word is for a specific reason.
So no I wasn't afraid of my family, because : 1) nobody knew I left Islam.
2) I am not living in a country that apply Islamic sharia law.
3) even if I was living in a complete islamic country it turned out that there are specific rules for apostates, circumstances of each case should be taken in consideration, in my case I was ignorant of Islam, so Islam should be explained to me in details, besides if we were applying Sharia law nobody could leave Islam simply because he/she will be able to see actual results in the community, under the proper applying of Sharia Law there will be no poverty or at least everybody will get his essential rights, Islam ideology is way complicated than you think it is.
just name the problem and I'll tell what Islam offers.

“Evil Atheist :-)”

Since: Mar 07

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#781 Nov 18, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
you cannot compare Arabic countries to western countries because the Arabic governments are not applying the sharia law anymore and decided to follow the west...!!
Is that because it doesn't work?

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