Richard Dawkins - God is evil, pedophilesa not so bad

Sep 14, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Examiner.com

"The God of the Qur'an is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.

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Nov 12, 2013
 
Since lesbians get the least STDs, they must be god's chosen people.
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So you are saying that your god is not omniscient, that your god is not omnipotent and that your god DID NOT create all things but only the stuff you want to believe he created?
How about HIV? Was that one of his better creations designed to keep the gay population in check?
Sounds like the sort of thing your god would do eh?

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whats your problem with Mr. Bean converting ?!! haha i never mentioned anything about him, I am really sorry if you got bullied at high school , that lousy attitude wont get you a thing
The problem is that he didn't and you said he did.

But that's the least of your problems, considering you are a liar for your failed cult that has no proof of god.

Dishonesty will never replace atheism.

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Since lesbians get the least STDs, they must be god's chosen people.
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Hmm, never though of it that way but you have a point.

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Well donít, I have replied by message and it wonít happen again
is it my bad luck or most of the atheists have shitty attitudes ?!!

you are ignorant and always miss my points, regarding the issue of who should be blamed for our sins you can test it by yourself, the Creator gave us the choice to whether do good or bad even though some verses says that god already knows what we are going to do, but that what makes him god and we still always have the choice , in other words how could a god without a Prescience powers be worthy of worshiping ?!!

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The problem is that he didn't and you said he did.
But that's the least of your problems, considering you are a liar for your failed cult that has no proof of god.
Dishonesty will never replace atheism.
Skeptic I never said a thing about Mr. Bean, I always say it doesn't matter who converts to Islam even if queen Elizabeth !! converted I wouldn't care, I may have failed to prove the existence of god to you but i was clear that I would prove that the Quran is the true word of god thats it..!!

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Sorry but I really don't believe that basic ideas about the universe can't be easily translated from Arabic into English.
Verses 41:9/12 give a timeline for the creation of the Earth and heavens that is simply wrong and no other verse changes that.
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Man there are numerous verses regarding this issue, even the Islamic rules are gathered from different verses in different chapters, in so many cases the Sunnah (Hadith of prophet Mohammed explains some verses), and of course itís different in Arabic ; some Arabic words have different meanings depending on the context and the grammar , the same word in some verse may have a complete different meaning in other verse.

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I didn't argue this point, but surely Arabs of the 7th century would presume Youm meant a 24 hour day unless it was clearly stated otherwise.
So Allah only finds out what's happened on earth a thousand years late? No wonder the worlds a mess! <quoted text>

as you said the Arabs of the 7th century would presume that youm meant a 24 hours, but that is the beauty of Quran because it works perfectly in different times, the Quran is believed to be Mohammedís miracle to the end of days, there are numerous verses which were not understood 1400 years ago and were only fully explained recently, and I am sure when the science improve more some verses will be explained better.

[QUOTE who="Igor Trip"]<quoted text>
I'm sure this verse is actually referring to distance not time. Muhammad was a caravan trader and as such would measure the distances between cities by how many days they took to travel.
So the distance travelled in one day would take us a thousand years to walk.
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Muslims have their own calendar and months, so certainly would know the difference between the distance and time.
I think from now own we should focus on a specific subject to discuss, because itís not as easy as it seems to discuss a huge number of verses

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Man there are numerous verses regarding this issue, even the Islamic rules are gathered from different verses in different chapters, in so many cases the Sunnah (Hadith of prophet Mohammed explains some verses), and of course itís different in Arabic ; some Arabic words have different meanings depending on the context and the grammar , the same word in some verse may have a complete different meaning in other verse.
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This is where translators come in. It's their job to make sure the verses do translate as accurately as possible.
If there is confusion about a verse then that's a problem with the Quran, not the translators.

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as you said the Arabs of the 7th century would presume that youm meant a 24 hours, but that is the beauty of Quran because it works perfectly in different times, the Quran is believed to be Mohammedís miracle to the end of days, there are numerous verses which were not understood 1400 years ago and were only fully explained recently, and I am sure when the science improve more some verses will be explained better.
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If a word can mean anything it means nothing.

It makes no sense to change the perceived meanings of words to suit the latest ideas.

The Quran could just as easily have said the Earth was created in six stages.

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Muslims have their own calendar and months, so certainly would know the difference between the distance and time.
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Maybe they did understand the verse and it's later scholars who don't.
To me the verse still makes more sense as a measure of distance rather than time.

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I think from now own we should focus on a specific subject to discuss, because itís not as easy as it seems to discuss a huge number of verses
Fine. I'll let you choose them.

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Oops! I messed up too!
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Man there are numerous verses regarding this issue, even the Islamic rules are gathered from different verses in different chapters, in so many cases the Sunnah (Hadith of prophet Mohammed explains some verses), and of course itís different in Arabic ; some Arabic words have different meanings depending on the context and the grammar , the same word in some verse may have a complete different meaning in other verse.
This is where translators come in. It's their job to make sure the verses do translate as accurately as possible.
If there is confusion about a verse then that's a problem with the Quran, not the translators.
hazem selawi wrote:
as you said the Arabs of the 7th century would presume that youm meant a 24 hours, but that is the beauty of Quran because it works perfectly in different times, the Quran is believed to be Mohammedís miracle to the end of days, there are numerous verses which were not understood 1400 years ago and were only fully explained recently, and I am sure when the science improve more some verses will be explained better.
If a word can mean anything it means nothing.

It makes no sense to change the perceived meanings of words to suit the latest ideas.

The Quran could just as easily have said the Earth was created in six stages.
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Muslims have their own calendar and months, so certainly would know the difference between the distance and time.
Maybe they did understand the verse and it's later scholars who don't.
To me the verse still makes more sense as a measure of distance rather than time.
hazem selawi wrote:
I think from now own we should focus on a specific subject to discuss, because itís not as easy as it seems to discuss a huge number of verses
Fine. I'll let you choose them.

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Igor Trip wrote:
Oops! I messed up too!
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hahah it happens
Igor Trip wrote:
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This is where translators come in. It's their job to make sure the verses do translate as accurately as possible.
If there is confusion about a verse then that's a problem with the Quran, not the translators.
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actually the translators did a great job to deliver the general meaning of Quran, it wasn't a coincidence that quran was revealed in Arabic, it is a very accurate language.
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Maybe they did understand the verse and it's later scholars who don't.
To me the verse still makes more sense as a measure of distance rather than time.
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you previously said that it takes allah a thousand year to know whats happening on earth and thats why the earth is on mess ..!!
in numerous verses god tells us that the end of earth and the universe is near , 70:4-7
70:4 The angels and the Spirit will ascend to Him during a Day the extent of which is fifty thousand years.
70:5 So be patient with gracious patience.
70 :6 Indeed, they see it [as] distant
70:7 But We see it [as] near.
those verses are talking at the day of judgment which will be as a fifty thousand years of extent , and later on tells us to be patient because the disbelievers think that the day of judgment is very far away but to Allah its near (Indeed, they see it [as] distant, But We see it [as] near ) that's because timing is different to Allah than his creators, now we know that if we could exceed the speed of light the time becomes different , so the point is what we calculate as a thousand year to the creator its only one day.

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you previously said that it takes allah a thousand year to know whats happening on earth and thats why the earth is on mess ..!!
I was joking, but also showing the problem with the verse if it's referring to time rather than distance.
32.5 (Allah) Rules the cosmic affair from the heavens to the Earth. Then this affair travels to Him a distance in one day, at a measure of one thousand years of what you count.

If an affair reaches him 1000 years after it's happened then he will deal with it a 1000 years to late.
The verse can't be about time.
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in numerous verses god tells us that the end of earth and the universe is near , 70:4-7
1400 years is hardly ďnearĒ from our perspective.
hazem selawi wrote:
70:4 The angels and the Spirit will ascend to Him during a Day the extent of which is fifty thousand years.
70:5 So be patient with gracious patience.
70 :6 Indeed, they see it [as] distant
70:7 But We see it [as] near.
70:4 The angels and the Spirit will ascend to Him during a Day the extent of which is fifty thousand years.

Still think this is just saying Allah is a long way above us.
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those verses are talking at the day of judgment which will be as a fifty thousand years of extent , and later on tells us to be patient because the disbelievers think that the day of judgment is very far away but to Allah its near (Indeed, they see it [as] distant, But We see it [as] near ) that's because timing is different to Allah than his creators, now we know that if we could exceed the speed of light the time becomes different , so the point is what we calculate as a thousand year to the creator its only one day.
I don't have a problem with God perceiving time differently to us, I just think that when the Quran says the Earth was created in 6 days it should be clear in those verses if it's not referring to 24 hour days.

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is it my bad luck or most of the atheists have shitty attitudes ?!!
you are ignorant and always miss my points, regarding the issue of who should be blamed for our sins you can test it by yourself, the Creator gave us the choice to whether do good or bad even though some verses says that god already knows what we are going to do, but that what makes him god and we still always have the choice , in other words how could a god without a Prescience powers be worthy of worshiping ?!!
What attitude? You donít like my attitude when you attempt to interfere with my personal life then thatís your problem. You donít like my attitude when you attempt to tell me what I can do with my own body then thatís your problem. You donít like my attitude when you tell me that facts are wrong and mythology is ďTruthĒ to be worshiped, then thatís your problem. You donít like my attitude then you have a choice, this is a public thread.

I may be ignorant in some subjects, we canít all be 100% informed in 100% of subjects. My guess is you are ignorant of 3D matrix mathematics, vectors and operator j transformations but hey hoÖ I do not miss your points sunny jim, I simply do not agree with your points and so you feign the incredulity of any funnymentalist. Not accepting that someone else can have different views to you, that my dear is what is ignorance of humanity.

The creator gave us nothing because the creator is a myth. A myth that you choose to worship but once again, thatís your problem. People are responsible for their own actions no matter what the quoran teaches

So you are saying that because your god canít be bothered correcting the wrongs of humanity, the humanity you say he created and you claim prescience for him so such correction is a task that he should be eminently capable of, then he deserves to be worshipped? Hmmm, right, methinks, like the 72 virgins thing, this is something you have not thought this trough properly

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is it my bad luck or most of the atheists have shitty attitudes ?!!
This is the attitude you will get when you try to shamelessly lie to people about god.

its the mental illness of faith that you suffer from that makes you think you are right in doing what you are doing, by lying and rejecting science that exposes your cult as fraud.

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I may have failed to prove the existence of god to you
This means you need to f*ck off and stop lying, but the mental illness of faith compells you to keep opening your mouth and feeding us more made up garbage from your cult...

When you cannot even accept science, you try to claim science proves your cult!!

You have no shame or honesty whatsoever, go away you cult joke!

Nobody is converting to your stupid disproven beliefs anytime soon here...

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hahah it happens
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actually the translators did a great job to deliver the general meaning of Quran, it wasn't a coincidence that quran was revealed in Arabic, it is a very accurate language.
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you previously said that it takes allah a thousand year to know whats happening on earth and thats why the earth is on mess ..!!
in numerous verses god tells us that the end of earth and the universe is near , 70:4-7
70:4 The angels and the Spirit will ascend to Him during a Day the extent of which is fifty thousand years.
70:5 So be patient with gracious patience.
70 :6 Indeed, they see it [as] distant
70:7 But We see it [as] near.
those verses are talking at the day of judgment which will be as a fifty thousand years of extent , and later on tells us to be patient because the disbelievers think that the day of judgment is very far away but to Allah its near (Indeed, they see it [as] distant, But We see it [as] near ) that's because timing is different to Allah than his creators, now we know that if we could exceed the speed of light the time becomes different , so the point is what we calculate as a thousand year to the creator its only one day.
You are too used to people lying down and accepting your religious bullsh*T

This is will be a wake up call. YOur religious propaganda only serves as evidence of the lies that your cult tries to make society accept.

Your cult is fearful, cowardly and worthless because it cannot use words to convince your fellow humans.

You are cowardly, scared people, afraid of being found out for lying all this time.
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'I can't be sure God DOES NOT exist': World's most notorious atheist

Richard Dawkins admits he is in fact agnostic

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-21058...

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'I can't be sure God DOES NOT exist': World's most notorious atheist
Richard Dawkins admits he is in fact agnostic
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-21058...
There's a little problem with logic in that it's impossible to prove a negative. That is, it's impossible to prove something doesn't exist somewhere.
For example it can't be proven that there isn't a teapot orbiting saturn. There's no reason why one should be, but you can't prove logically that it's not there.

Richard Dawkins takes the same view about God. He can't prove there's no God, or Bigfoot or yeti or lockness monster, there's just no good reason to believe there is.
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Dawkins also can't prove 100% you don't f**k kids.
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'I can't be sure God DOES NOT exist': World's most notorious atheist
Richard Dawkins admits he is in fact agnostic
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-21058...
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Dawkins also can't prove 100% you don't f**k kids.
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"Scratch an atheist and out pops an agnostic"
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I see you don't refute the claim.

I would never abuse a child, but then I am not religious.
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"Scratch an atheist and out pops an agnostic"

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LCNLin wrote:
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"Scratch an atheist and out pops an agnostic"
Wrong!
What pops out is a rationalist. That is, someone who takes logic seriously.

An Atheist isn't someone who KNOWS there isn't a God (that's logically impossible even if God doesn't exist) but rather someone who sees no evidence for a God.

The real difference between those who call themselves Agnostics and Atheists is that Agnostics take the idea of God seriously whilst Atheists don't.

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