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Richard Dawkins - God is evil, pedophilesa not so bad

There are 3147 comments on the Examiner.com story from Sep 14, 2013, titled Richard Dawkins - God is evil, pedophilesa not so bad. In it, Examiner.com reports that:

"The God of the Qur'an is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.

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EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#659 Nov 10, 2013
Quadratus wrote:
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Fair enough. My previous posts are genuine questions I have about a materialistic only universe. They represent questions I have never seen adequately answered. Do you have an
answer, or just more presuppositions?
Religion is just superstition.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell 's_teapot
Can you define and prove a god scientifically, or do you just have more "questions" and "thoughts"? I was raised a Christian and am sick to the back teeth of "theology" (i.e. Abrahamic mythologies).

As I said, you offer nothing but superstition, Quadratus - like all religionists.

Religion = superstition
Theology = mythology
LCNLin

United States

#660 Nov 10, 2013
Quadratus wrote:
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Fair enough. My previous posts are genuine questions I have about a materialistic only universe. They represent questions I have never seen adequately answered. Do you have an
answer, or just more presuppositions?
Quantitative world of the atheists is amusing.
They miss the quality of life and are quite defensive about it.
LOL
Thinking

Royston, UK

#661 Nov 10, 2013
Assuming your bible is to be believed - why did your god create evil?
Quadratus wrote:
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This is one of the primary reasons I believe in tge God of the Bible. The death and resurrction of Jesus Christ is the most powerful force against evil I am aware of. The standard power against evil is found in all other relligions and philosphies - including atheism. That is the power to keep a good man good. Hence you have people of all religions who more or less follow the dictates of their conscience. But who has the answer for the evil man? How do you take a man marinated in evil, and make him good? Atheism cannot answer that, neither can Islam, or any other of the 3000 religions on this planet. New Birth theology does however. Those who repent of their sins, and trust Jesus alone for their salvation from sin discover a new power over the principle of evil in them that translates to a complete change in behavior. This is a common occurrance in our churches. This has real practical value for curing some of societies most troubling problems.
I have a friend who used to be a Hamas soldier, or terrorist, depending on one's point of view. He was addicted to killing and violence. He trusted Jesus as his Savior from sin, and as he put it, something brand new was planted in his heart. He threw away his guns, renounced violence, relearned to lovr, married, had children, and became a productive member of society.
I have another friend who was an agnostic, who was also addicted to rage and violence. He heard how Jesus died for his sins and rose again, and he trusted Jesus a his Savior - the very first thing he noticed was that his rage was gone.
The true God has power over evil that man does not. One would expect that His religion would then have a greater power than man's religions.

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#662 Nov 11, 2013
Quadratus wrote:
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And atheists dont have varying degrees of latent God consciousness? I met a preacher in Bremerton who once was a strident atheist. An old fashioned Baptist pteacher visited him one day, and asked him if he knew for sure that he was going to heaven. The predictable conversation ensued - point - counterpoint. Floyd McElveen, the preacher, saw it was going nowhere, and the Holy Spirit gave him strange words. He told the atheist - I am going to tell you the gospel, and in five minutes you are going to trust Jesus as your Savior. He told him that Jesus Christ was the Son of God, that He died for our sins, that He rose from the dead, and offerred a very real salvation from sin to all who trust Him. After the presentation, the atheist bowed his head and trusted Jesus Christ as his Savior. He met God that day, and when I met him he had beena Baptist preacher for about 20 years. You might be surprised whats latent Iin you.
Very nice, heart warming to the typical christian but a basic and fundamental lie and a totally BS story.

A 5 minute ear bashing by some godbot preacher is not going to convince any atheist to disavow his long held beliefs. In exactly the same way that a 5 minutes telling you about proven and evidential facts of your mythology is not going convince you that you that you believe in nothing more than a bronze age myth.

If preachers could convert atheist so easily than for sure there would be hoards, in fact whole armies of the fools going from to door, rather like jehovas witnesses, all employed to increase there flock of sheep.

Sure conversion to christianity can and does happen, usually of confused, lost or in some way mentally ill individuals but never, ever in just 5 minutes, the human brain just does not work that way. But hey if you want to believe such lying BS it does explain a lot about your gullibility

And what has this deliberate obfuscation got to do with you wrongly classifying ALL homosexuals as 100% same gender? I’ll tell you what it has to do witj the subject under discussion, nothing but it seems you have nothing to add anyway so changing the subject seems like such a good idea eh?

And you too may be surprised at what is latent in you, you are most likely to be gay to some degree yourself

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#663 Nov 11, 2013
LCNLin wrote:
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Quantitative world of the atheists is amusing.
They miss the quality of life and are quite defensive about it.
LOL
Why do godbots always lie about what they don’t understand?

I can assure you that my quality of life is at least comparable to you vision of what quality of life means and I don’t need to waste a couple of hours every Sunday going to church when I could be spending quality and personal time with my family and friends.

We are only offensive in response to ignorant godbots like you who lie offensively.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#664 Nov 11, 2013
LCNLin wrote:
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Quantitative world of the atheists is amusing.
They miss the quality of life and are quite defensive about it.
LOL
Says the desperate creationist troll who has become the laughing stock - for continuing to comment while having no proof of god!!!

Go on, try attacking Dawkins again instead of atheism, and see if that works?

You're seriously stupid.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#665 Nov 11, 2013
Quadratus wrote:
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And atheists dont have varying degrees of latent God consciousness? I met a preacher in Bremerton who once was a strident atheist. An old fashioned Baptist pteacher visited him one day, and asked him if he knew for sure that he was going to heaven. The predictable conversation ensued - point - counterpoint. Floyd McElveen, the preacher, saw it was going nowhere, and the Holy Spirit gave him strange words. He told the atheist - I am going to tell you the gospel, and in five minutes you are going to trust Jesus as your Savior. He told him that Jesus Christ was the Son of God, that He died for our sins, that He rose from the dead, and offerred a very real salvation from sin to all who trust Him. After the presentation, the atheist bowed his head and trusted Jesus Christ as his Savior. He met God that day, and when I met him he had beena Baptist preacher for about 20 years. You might be surprised whats latent Iin you.
This is the stupid creationist sh*t that is meant to convert atheists these days?

Your mental illness has taken you further from society than first thought..
LCNLin

United States

#666 Nov 11, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Why do godbots always lie about what they don’t understand?
I can assure you that my quality of life is at least comparable to you vision of what quality of life means and I don’t need to waste a couple of hours every Sunday going to church when I could be spending quality and personal time with my family and friends.
We are only offensive in response to ignorant godbots like you who lie offensively.
Atheist dodge 103

Name calling and smug references to "superior understanding".
Straw-man fallacy used in frustration? ;-)
Still no proof of his philosophy...

we can expect next a mention of evolution. LOL

Since: Jul 11

Portland, OR

#667 Nov 11, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Very nice, heart warming to the typical christian but a basic and fundamental lie and a totally BS story.
A 5 minute ear bashing by some godbot preacher is not going to convince any atheist to disavow his long held beliefs. In exactly the same way that a 5 minutes telling you about proven and evidential facts of your mythology is not going convince you that you that you believe in nothing more than a
bronze age myth.
If preachers could convert atheist so easily than for sure there would be hoards, in fact whole armies of the fools going from to door, rather like jehovas witnesses, all employed to increase there flock of sheep.
Sure conversion to christianity can and does happen, usually of confused, lost or in some way mentally ill individuals but never, ever in just 5
minutes, the human brain just does not work that way. But hey if you want to believe such lying BS it does explain a lot about your gullibility
And what has this deliberate obfuscation got to do with you wrongly classifying ALL homosexuals as 100% same gender? I’ll tell you what it has to do witj the subject under discussion, nothing but it seems you have nothing to add anyway so changing the subject seems like such a good idea eh?
And you too may be surprised at what is latent in you, you are most likely to be gay to some degree yourself
I thought it was unlikely too when I read McElveens book, so I contacted him and asked for more info. Then I called the guy and got the story straight from him.
Gay, no, not likely at all. For one thing Im not stridently anti homosexual. That seems to be one of the signs. Thats why I suggested you check your latent meter - youre pretty strident against religion.
spudgun

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#668 Nov 11, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Assuming your bible is to be believed - why did your god create evil?
<quoted text>
Because of the God of the Bible and the Quran is evil. Simples.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#669 Nov 11, 2013
LCNLin wrote:
<quoted text>
Atheist dodge 103
Name calling and smug references to "superior understanding".
Straw-man fallacy used in frustration? ;-)
Still no proof of his philosophy...
we can expect next a mention of evolution. LOL
What can an idiot creationist troll really say in the age of science?

Can he prove his god? nope. Can he disprove evolution using facts? nope.

We are left with a bitter troll who can't take his cult being exposed so obviously full of lies, fraud and deceit!

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#670 Nov 11, 2013
LCNLin wrote:
<quoted text>
Atheist dodge 103
Name calling and smug references to "superior understanding".
Straw-man fallacy used in frustration? ;-)
Still no proof of his philosophy...
we can expect next a mention of evolution. LOL
You started it – nar, hah na narh na

You badmouthed my quality of life from ignorance and used lies to prove your ignorance and you are too sh|t scared to admit your foul mouth screw up so instead you go on the attack with weapons of more BS and more lies. How very christian of you.

Calling you a godbot is not name calling, it is fact
Calling you a lair is not name calling, it is fact
Calling you ignorant is not name calling, it is fact

Nope, not straw man but real fact used in determination

Loads of proof, your problem is that you ignore it in favour of the proofless bronze age god did it by magic fallacy

Only when you lie about it, otherwise no point in wasting energy of your ignorance.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#671 Nov 11, 2013
Quadratus wrote:
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youre pretty strident against religion.
Says the religious liar with no proof of god and no sense of responsibity for the factless crap he types.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#672 Nov 11, 2013
Quadratus wrote:
<quoted text>
I thought it was unlikely too when I read McElveens book, so I contacted him and asked for more info. Then I called the guy and got the story straight from him.
Gay, no, not likely at all. For one thing Im not stridently anti homosexual. That seems to be one of the signs. Thats why I suggested you check your latent meter - youre pretty strident against religion.
Give up. Faith based mental illness simply cannot be defended using facts.

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#673 Nov 11, 2013
Quadratus wrote:
<quoted text>
I thought it was unlikely too when I read McElveens book, so I contacted him and asked for more info. Then I called the guy and got the story straight from him.
Gay, no, not likely at all. For one thing Im not stridently anti homosexual. That seems to be one of the signs. Thats why I suggested you check your latent meter - youre pretty strident against religion.
And you think the story as told 30 years later and with particular axes to grind is actually what happened? Consider workings of the human mind and feel free to re-evaluate given the facts. I would go as far as to say given what I know of the psychology of the human being then at least one, if not both participants in the story are lying. But hey, if you want to believe the story then that’s up to you.

Nope, that is only one of the signs in the sort of homophobic and bigoted circle that many christians frequent. It is a sign of ignorance of the human psyche and of the facts and a sign that you yourself have given, hence the reason I pointed you to the Kinsey work.

I know exactly what I hold against religion, no latency involved and in actual fact, it’s not religion but individuals who abuse their religion who p|ss me off.

I think religion is fine, in it’s place, it can certainly be a comfort to some, I would also like you to know that my best friend is about as high up in the BAC church here in the UK as any woman is likely to get. So believe me when I say that most of what I list below is understood and accepted by the higher echelons of church hierarchy

What I am stridently against is abuse of religion, violence in the name of religion, the lying BS based on the ignorance of religious dogma and the rampant intolerance displayed by many religious people (LCNLin is a prime example). Consider the religious influence of the dark ages for an example of what too much religion can do to society. You will notice that some of the US babble belt is physically regressing to a comparable state of intolerance. Consider the influence of religion in ethic cleansing in Eastern Europe, Africa and India. Consider the influence of religion in the horrific and inhuman treatment and abuse of Palestinians. Consider the influence of religion in the subjugation and abuse of women. Consider the religious influence on terrorists such as the IRA, the NLFT, the KKK and those anti abortionists in the US

I also come out very strongly against deliberate ignorance and have no tolerance for lies so there are another couple of reasons why I take the attitude I do to the abuse of religion.

Although religion teaches intolerance, deliberate ignorance, introvertion and inhumane treatment of those of a different belief, I realise that it is up to the individual to rise above such teaching.

In my experience, many, many religious people, particularly christians are unable to rise above their teaching.
LCNLin

United States

#674 Nov 11, 2013
In my experience,
In my experience,
In my experience,
In my experience,
In my experience, LOL


many, many religious people, particularly christians are unable to rise above their teaching.

Atheism 101 Smug, self centered and funny.

Since: Jul 11

Portland, OR

#675 Nov 11, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Assuming your bible is to be believed - why did your god create evil?
<quoted text>
God created beings other than Himself. By definition, they must have free will, else they would not be "other." As "other" they had the opportunity to choose good or evil - God would not intervene. Man chose evil, and evil grew. Did God have the right to create beings other than Himself? I would wonder at that. But if im created with a lesser version of the logic God uses, I cannot judge Him. He, witha greater logic has already jydged Himself innocent.
Thinking

Royston, UK

#676 Nov 11, 2013
Why did your god create evil?
Quadratus wrote:
<quoted text>
God created beings other than Himself. By definition, they must have free will, else they would not be "other." As "other" they had the opportunity to choose good or evil - God would not intervene. Man chose evil, and evil grew. Did God have the right to create beings other than Himself? I would wonder at that. But if im created with a lesser version of the logic God uses, I cannot judge Him. He, witha greater logic has already jydged Himself innocent.

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#677 Nov 11, 2013
LCNLin wrote:
In my experience,
In my experience,
In my experience,
In my experience,
In my experience, LOL
many, many religious people, particularly christians are unable to rise above their teaching.
Atheism 101 Smug, self centered and funny.
Why to you laugh at fact?

Too much wacky backy or an overdose of goddidt with magic?

It’s almost as bad as saying “the god us godbots worship is the first recorded mass murderer in history – LOL – so funny”

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#678 Nov 11, 2013
Quadratus wrote:
<quoted text>
God created beings other than Himself. By definition, they must have free will, else they would not be "other." As "other" they had the opportunity to choose good or evil - God would not intervene. Man chose evil, and evil grew. Did God have the right to create beings other than Himself? I would wonder at that. But if im created with a lesser version of the logic God uses, I cannot judge Him. He, witha greater logic has already jydged Himself innocent.
Do you have any evidence that a god created anything?

This is one of my problems with some godbots, they make definitive statements and expect everyone else not to question those statements

If you said that you believe that god created beings other than himself. That would have demoted you from full blown liar to actual fact, i.e. the fact that you believe but have no evidence to back up you belief.

Why do you assume that if your god made anything it must have free will? Do you have an inside line to your gods thought? Yet you say you cannot judge him although you are doing exactly that in making your statement

The law does not work like that, what you are implying is that your god can judge himself innocent of mass murder but no other can? Go figure the “higher” logic here…

I really do not think you have thought this god logic through properly

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