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Richard Dawkins - God is evil, pedophilesa not so bad

There are 3147 comments on the Examiner.com story from Sep 14, 2013, titled Richard Dawkins - God is evil, pedophilesa not so bad. In it, Examiner.com reports that:

"The God of the Qur'an is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.

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LCNLin

United States

#639 Nov 9, 2013
Quadratus wrote:
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Ah, you sound like a preacher - an atheist preacher, but a preacher nonetheless. You are
missing my point. Why did the concept of God get so deeply ingrained in our psyche as to be almost an emotional need? I can believe a materialistic universe can produce the concept of God to some people - but that doesnt explain its deep collective marinated ingraining.
Natural selection produces that kind of instinct ONLY on the basis of need. Man needs to reproduce - so natural selection (assuming it wasnt God) produced the "falling in love" mechanism. Mankind needs to survive emergencies - so natural selection produced the fight or flight adrenalin rush. Why was the God instinct produced in the first place, and why didnt natural selection destroy it as inefficient?
Evangelistic atheists are all over these threads.
Science is silent on atheism.
S^eptic is not
LOL
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#640 Nov 9, 2013
EdSed wrote:
There are no such things as gods or pixies.
not fair to lump them together! pixies are harmless fictions for children, usually. many versions of gods have extremely harmful elements - though sometimes there is a good enough ethic somewhere within various faiths. good enough by the secular philosophical standards not dependent upon superstion, and dependent essentially upon the combination of pain and empathy, along with enlightened self-interest. there is plenty of variety among Christians - some are far worse than others - and within other faiths also. I am only an agnostic atheist - do not know and do not believe. I am open to new and interesting definitions of a god or gods, not to think them to be true, but mostly to think them possibly less harmful than the existing fables. I think a version of "the all is God" could be useful, if it includes humans as a very important part of the all, and thus puts on us a big responsibility to make the world we can influence a better place for living beings. There is a line in a poem by Don Marquis, I think (not sure of spelling) "the god that is not god if it is not we".
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#641 Nov 9, 2013
LCNLin wrote:
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Evangelistic atheists are all over these threads.
Science is silent on atheism.
S^eptic is not
LOL
If you mean the poster Skeptic, he seems to be an atheist who claims to know. Sensible atheists are agnostic atheists, who do not believe but do not claim to know. I think that the notion of agnosticism, as defined by some - as the doctrine that one can never know whethere there is a God or anything about it if there is one - is sort of contrary to a more general attitude of an agnostic, in not making a knowledge claim. I tend to think that humans can never know, but to claim that we know that we cannot know, seems to be sort of non-agnostic in attitude. I certainly don't think anyone knows, and I certainly think that non-belief is more sensible than belief, but those are opinions.

Since: Jul 11

Portland, OR

#642 Nov 9, 2013
Igor Trip wrote:
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Because the idea of God or Gods provides an easy answer to the questions of how and why this amazing yet frightening world exists.
Cmon Igor, Youre better than this.
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#643 Nov 9, 2013
on the pedophile issue, I suspect a significant portion of them are that way because of being abused by religious persons in their youth. I think the interesting question is why so many rightwing types are not nearly as militant about that as they are about gay people wanting to marry each other. Apparently rape is more acceptable to them than romance!

“Evil Atheist :-)”

Since: Mar 07

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#644 Nov 9, 2013
Quadratus wrote:
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Cmon Igor, Youre better than this.
Ok then.

1) There are lots of people who hear voices in their head. It's easy to see why people would think this is down to invisible spirits rather than just bad wiring of the brain.

2) Things that go bang in the night leading people to presume there are strange things out there they can't see.

3) People looking around at this world and concluding that it must have been made which obviously means a creator of some sort.

4) God is often portrayed as a father figure. As children we look up to our fathers to guide us and protect us and God would be seen the same way.

5) Promises of help from the spirit world is an easy way for conmen to make money from the desperate.
LCNLin

United States

#645 Nov 9, 2013
havent forgotten wrote:
<quoted text> If you mean the poster Skeptic, he seems to be an atheist who claims to know. Sensible atheists are agnostic atheists, who do not believe but do not claim to know. I think that the notion of agnosticism, as defined by some - as the doctrine that one can never know whethere there is a God or anything about it if there is one - is sort of contrary to a more general attitude of an agnostic, in not making a knowledge claim. I tend to think that humans can never know, but to claim that we know that we cannot know, seems to be sort of non-agnostic in attitude. I certainly don't think anyone knows, and I certainly think that non-belief is more sensible than belief, but those are opinions.
Yes!
Seem to be more thinking agnostics
than evangelical atheists...
except, possibly,
on the atheist threads.

Since: Jul 11

Portland, OR

#646 Nov 9, 2013
Igor Trip wrote:
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Ok then.
1) There are lots of people who hear voices in their head. It's easy to see why people would think this is down to invisible spirits rather than just bad wiring of the brain.
2) Things that go bang in the night leading people to presume there are strange things out there they can't see.
3) People looking around at this world and
concluding that it must have been made which obviously means a creator of some sort.
4) God is often portrayed as a father figure. As children we look up to our fathers to guide us and protect us and God would be seen the same way.
5) Promises of help from the spirit world is an easy way for conmen to make money from the desperate.
Thanks.
All this still seems to me to lack the foot pounds to insert the God need into our instincts - or at least close to instinct level.
A materialistic universe should produce life forms that have materialistic needs. We didnt evolve a fight or flight mechanism that relies on the flapping of our arms to escape predators. We didnt evolve reproductive need of intimacy with 7 legged green aliens. Yet we did evolve a God need. I see your point, but to me it lacks explaining power.

Since: Jun 07

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#647 Nov 9, 2013
Quadratus wrote:
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Ah, you sound like a preacher - an atheist preacher, but a preacher nonetheless. You are
Another example of a creationist fail - your comment assumes preachers are bad and wrong. A fact that atheists agree with!!!!

You can't rubbish atheism by calling it a religion, because you automatically insult your religion by doing this and admitting that religions are bad!!!

FAIL

What next? Dawkins, yeah he's such a Jesus figure...oh wait, I insulted faith instead of atheism again!!!'

Since: Jun 07

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#648 Nov 9, 2013
LCNLin wrote:
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Yes!
Seem to be more thinking agnostics
than evangelical atheists...
except, possibly,
on the atheist threads.
Now that you've buried your cult, you are poking sticks at its carcass with every ignorant comment you make here

Since: Jun 07

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#649 Nov 9, 2013
LCNLin wrote:
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Evangelistic atheists are all over these threads.
Science is silent on atheism.
S^eptic is not
LOL
Who invented evangelism? Where does e word come from? It's your cults you stupid f*ck. if evangelism is bad! ask your cult why it invented it!!!

fAIL

Since: Jun 07

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#650 Nov 9, 2013
Quadratus wrote:
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Cmon Igor, Youre better than this.
Says the liar with no proof of god. We thought you were better, but then you lied.

“Evil Atheist :-)”

Since: Mar 07

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#651 Nov 9, 2013
Quadratus wrote:
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Thanks.
All this still seems to me to lack the foot pounds to insert the God need into our instincts - or at least close to instinct level.
A materialistic universe should produce life forms that have materialistic needs. We didnt evolve a fight or flight mechanism that relies on the flapping of our arms to escape predators. We didnt evolve reproductive need of intimacy with 7 legged green aliens. Yet we did evolve a God need. I see your point, but to me it lacks explaining power.
I have no instinct for any God.

Since: Jul 11

Portland, OR

#652 Nov 9, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
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Another example of a creationist fail - your comment assumes preachers are bad and wrong. A fact that atheists agree with!!!!
You can't rubbish atheism by calling it a religion, because you automatically insult your religion by doing this and admitting that religions are bad!!!
FAIL
What next? Dawkins, yeah he's such a Jesus
figure...oh wait, I insulted faith instead of atheism again!!!'
How in heaven did you read all that into my post? I was being facetious, not slamming you. Your probably a nice guy - we'd probably get along.

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#653 Nov 10, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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I dont know where you have seen these statistical validations, but I can assure you that there are over 1.8 Billion Muslims around the world that makes Muslims more than Catholics.
you keep mentioning contradictions that I have to explain away,what contradictions I tried to read your previous posts but couldn't find any and already asked you to tell me the post number
That logic makes no since, if you want to compare a single sect of christianity then you must use a single sect of Islam to compare it with.

Also note that I have seen figures ranging from 1.3 billion the highest of 1.8 billion for the total number of Muslims in the world, I think I understand why you selected the highest possible number.

Anyway, compare like with like, the whole Christian faith with the whole Islamic faith, that’s 3.3 billion against 1.8 (your figure) billion (more likely around 1.6 billion). By the by, there can be no argument to that even from someone as obtuse and single minded as you.

The post number in which I fist mentioned that there were contradictions is #556 – as I have posted already. I have not posted a list of contradictions because topix has a character count of 4000, not enough to list the myriad contradictions. That does not mean those contradictions do not exist it just means you, as a good funny-mentalist appear to be denying that they exist or manage to reconcile your faith with any and all options available to you. Try a search on google (or whatever your faith allows you to use) for “Quran contradictions”. I just did it and there are almost over 400,000 listings. Don’t worry though, I did the same for bible contradictions and there were over 3.5 million listings.

Anyway, it does not really matter, you have effectively denied 4 times now that those contradictions (some listed below) do not exist

A few of the myriad contradictions from the Quran:-

How many days did it take Allah to create heaven and earth? The quran mostly says six days (as copied from the Tanakh) however there are other verses that state both 2 days and 4 days.

How the sex of an embryo is determined has two possible and completely different accounts, funnily enough neither are valid in modern scientific terms

What enters Paradise, the Soul, the Body or Both?. There are 4 possibilities

Who has to be blamed for wrongs? From verses 35:8, 16:93, 74:31, 2:142, is Allah who has to be blamed for all misguidance. While 30:9, 4:79 holds man responsible for the wrongs done.

Is the earth flat, the quran seems to say it is?

And hundreds more. Care to comment?

Since: Jul 11

Portland, OR

#654 Nov 10, 2013
Igor Trip wrote:
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I have no instinct for any God.
Homosexuals have no instinct for the opposite sex. That does not disprove the premise of the norm. It just shows that there are aberrations to the norm.

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#655 Nov 10, 2013
Quadratus wrote:
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Homosexuals have no instinct for the opposite sex. That does not disprove the premise of the norm. It just shows that there are aberrations to the norm.
You don’t seem to know much about homosexuals.

Perhaps what your preacher has told you but little else.

Only about 10% of homosexuals are strict same sex, just like 80% of humanity the remainder are inclined either way to varying degrees

See the Kinsey scale

Since: Jul 11

Portland, OR

#656 Nov 10, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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You don’t seem to know much about homosexuals.
Perhaps what your preacher has told you but little else.
Only about 10% of homosexuals are strict same sex, just like 80% of humanity the remainder are inclined either way to varying degrees
See the Kinsey scale
And atheists dont have varying degrees of latent God consciousness? I met a preacher in Bremerton who once was a strident atheist. An old fashioned Baptist pteacher visited him one day, and asked him if he knew for sure that he was going to heaven. The predictable conversation ensued - point - counterpoint. Floyd McElveen, the preacher, saw it was going nowhere, and the Holy Spirit gave him strange words. He told the atheist - I am going to tell you the gospel, and in five minutes you are going to trust Jesus as your Savior. He told him that Jesus Christ was the Son of God, that He died for our sins, that He rose from the dead, and offerred a very real salvation from sin to all who trust Him. After the presentation, the atheist bowed his head and trusted Jesus Christ as his Savior. He met God that day, and when I met him he had beena Baptist preacher for about 20 years. You might be surprised whats latent Iin you.
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#657 Nov 10, 2013
Quadratus wrote:
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And atheists dont have varying degrees of latent God consciousness?....
I don't think so. God isn't something to be 'conscious of', it is a matter of definition and proof.

People who 'sense god' should be treated with skepticism, like anyone who 'senses' ghosts or spirits.

Since: Jul 11

Portland, OR

#658 Nov 10, 2013
EdSed wrote:
<quoted text>I don't think so. God isn't something to be 'conscious of', it is a matter of definition and proof.
People who 'sense god' should be treated with skepticism, like anyone who 'senses' ghosts or spirits.
Fair enough. My previous posts are genuine questions I have about a materialistic only universe. They represent questions I have never seen adequately answered. Do you have an
answer, or just more presuppositions?

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