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Richard Dawkins - God is evil, pedophilesa not so bad

There are 3147 comments on the Examiner.com story from Sep 14, 2013, titled Richard Dawkins - God is evil, pedophilesa not so bad. In it, Examiner.com reports that:

"The God of the Qur'an is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.

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Since: Jul 11

Portland, OR

#539 Nov 7, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Nor from any god.
However just because the BB event occurred who knows how is no reason to say “doh we don’t know so it must be a god wot done it by magic”.
FYI, The concept of a singularity is convenient based on current knowledge but that concept may be incorrect. There are at least 27 mathematical valid theories of what caused the BB, perhaps one is correct perhaps not, maybe we will never know
simply because knowledge of the effects of the event stops prior to the universal laws of this universe forming.
Hence faith.
If it were caused by God, as He created the scientific laws - He is greater than thise laws. As He would be greater, He would not have to reveal Himself through them. He could remain invisible to science, and reveal Himself personally, individually, and privately.
That is as valid a possibility as any of the other models.
Agnostics I can understand, not atheists.
I cannot prove God exists to you. God does that through the New Birth, individually, personally, and very powefully.
You can call it imagination. But you are as to me, a blind person telling the seeing, sight doesnt exist.
The sad thing is, you can know God too.
spudgun

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#540 Nov 7, 2013
Quadratus, your "God" sound very male with all those "HE"s.

We know all we need to know about God from the Bible. For example drowning the whole in a global flood, genocides and insane laws. Erm, yeah, nice bloke, this "God" :)) eh?
spudgun

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#541 Nov 7, 2013
Quadratus wrote:
Skeptic:
God,
Your view on Him is as faith based as mine - but with substantially less evidence.
Having a warm fuzzy feelings is not evidence. Yes, we KNOW the "evidence" and from what we can tell, it is all in the mind.
Thinking

Royston, UK

#542 Nov 7, 2013
If your god can transcend causality why is it always putting off defeating satan to a later date?
Quadratus wrote:
<quoted text> Hence faith.
If it were caused by God, as He created the scientific laws - He is greater than thise laws. As He would be greater, He would not have to reveal Himself through them. He could remain invisible to science, and reveal Himself personally, individually, and privately.
That is as valid a possibility as any of the other models.
Agnostics I can understand, not atheists.
I cannot prove God exists to you. God does that through the New Birth, individually, personally, and very powefully.
You can call it imagination. But you are as to me, a blind person telling the seeing, sight doesnt exist.
The sad thing is, you can know God too.

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#543 Nov 7, 2013
Quadratus wrote:
<quoted text> Hence faith.
If it were caused by God, as He created the scientific laws - He is greater than thise laws. As He would be greater, He would not have to reveal Himself through them. He could remain invisible to science, and reveal Himself personally, individually, and privately.
That is as valid a possibility as any of the other models.
Agnostics I can understand, not atheists.
I cannot prove God exists to you. God does that through the New Birth, individually, personally, and very powefully.
You can call it imagination. But you are as to me, a blind person telling the seeing, sight doesnt exist.
The sad thing is, you can know God too.
That’s a big if.

Nope the universal laws began to form in the first 10^-34th of a second following the initial event as a consequence of the expansion of the fledgling universe. This is scientifically proven and evidential, no god involved.

Convenient, hiding behind excuses of invisibility when there is no proof anyway.

Nope it is not valid, as a leading cosmologist recently said,”we don’t know what caused the event but we do know that no god did it”

And I can’t understand godbots, belief in a bronze age myth with no provenance and no evidence for and considerable evidence against in preference to fact is beyond my comprehension, however I do appreciate the inner strength (or stubborn incredulity and deliberate stupidity) required to hold on to such believe in the face of facts.

This is true, you can’t prove a god or any of the 3700+ gods that humans have claimed to be real because you cannot prove imagination.

The sad thing is you can know truth and fact too, however you choose to ignore them because it’s easier for you.

Since: Jul 11

Portland, OR

#544 Nov 7, 2013
spudgun wrote:
Quadratus, your "God" sound very male with all those "HE"s.
We know all we need to know about God from the Bible. For example drowning the whole in a global flood, genocides and insane laws. Erm, yeah, nice bloke, this "God" :)) eh?
Who said He was nice?
According to Him, in regards to man, the primary characteristic we should be concerned about is His infinite holiness.
It took both the OT and the NT to adequately describe God. The OT describes the infinitely holy judge - God.
The NT to describe the infinitely loving Savior.
While He is both those things - He is not a nice guy. Ever read what Jesus actually said about Hell?

Since: Jul 11

Portland, OR

#545 Nov 7, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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That’s a big if.
Nope the universal laws began to form in the first 10^-34th of a second following the initial event as a consequence of the expansion of the fledgling universe. This is scientifically proven and evidential, no god involved.
Convenient, hiding behind excuses of invisibility when there is no proof anyway.
Nope it is not valid, as a leading cosmologist recently said,”we don’t know what caused the event but we do know that no god did it”
And I can’t understand godbots, belief in a bronze age myth with no provenance and no evidence for and considerable evidence against in preference to fact is beyond my comprehension, however I do appreciate the inner strength (or stubborn incredulity and deliberate stupidity) required to hold on to such believe in the face of facts.
This is true, you can’t prove a god or any of the
3700+ gods that humans have claimed to be real because you cannot prove imagination.
The sad thing is you can know truth and fact too, however you choose to ignore them because it’s easier for you.
K
As I described to an atheist friend of mine, when I was born again it was as if a window opened in my soul - a consciousness of God as my Savior. Laugh - but it happened, and He's stayed with me for thirty years.
You only assume the five senses are all there are. There is one more.

Since: Jul 11

Portland, OR

#546 Nov 7, 2013
Thinking wrote:
If your god can transcend causality why is it always putting off defeating satan to a later date?
<quoted text>
I do not know that one.

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#547 Nov 8, 2013
Quadratus wrote:
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K
As I described to an atheist friend of mine, when I was born again it was as if a window opened in my soul - a consciousness of God as my Savior. Laugh - but it happened, and He's stayed with me for thirty years.
You only assume the five senses are all there are. There is one more.
So you weren’t satisfied with being born the natural way, you had to get your gods approval. How telling.

You were not born again, you were accepted into a religious cult and choose to big it up as though it’s something miraculous like childbirth.

Yes that extra sense is called imagination

Since: Oct 13

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#548 Nov 8, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
<quoted text>
Probably never even happened - human like to lie a lot to get attention - as you demonstrate.
Congratulations Skeptic, becoming an atheist after being a christian is the first step to Islam

Since: Oct 13

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#549 Nov 8, 2013
Shamma wrote:
When you study the five pillars of Islam you find that Islam is a Cult religion.
cult.
1.A religion or religious sect generally considered to be under the guidance of an authoritarian, charismatic leader.
The names of Allah and Muhammad often occur side by side -- God and His Prophet. Muhammad serves both as God's human instrument in bearing His revelation and as the model or ideal whom all believers should emulate.
Islam is under the guidance of Muhammad who fills in on earth as Gods personal ruler over all peoples.
If you are not a believer in Muhammad one cannot receive the benefits of the five Pillars listed below.
The Five Pillars Of Islam
Islam has five primary obligations, or pillars of faith, that each Muslim must fulfill in his or her lifetime. They are as follows:
Shahadah, profession of faith, is the first pillar of Islam. Muslims bear witness to the oneness of God by reciting the creed "There is no God but God and Muhammad is the Messenger of God." This simple yet profound statement expresses a Muslim's complete acceptance of and total commitment to Islam.
Salah, prayer, is the second pillar. The Islamic faith is based on the belief that individuals have a direct relationship with God. The world's Muslims turn individually and collectively to Makkah, Islam's holiest city, to offer five daily prayers at dawn, noon, mid-afternoon, sunset and evening. In addition, Friday congregational service is also required. Although salah can he performed alone, it is meritorious to perform it with another or with a group. It is permissible to pray at home, at work, or even outdoors; however it is recommended that Muslims perform salah in a mosque.
Zakat, almsgiving, is the third pillar. Social responsibility is considered part of one's service to God; the obligatory act of zakat enshrines this duty. Zakat prescribes payment of fixed proportions of a Muslim's possessions for the welfare of the entire community and in particular for its neediest members. It is equal to 2.5 percent of an individual's total net worth, excluding obligations and family expenses.
Sawm, fasting during the holy month of Ramadan, is the fourth pillar of Islam. Ordained in the Holy Qur'an, the fast is an act of deep personal worship in which Muslims seek a richer perception of God. Fasting is also an exercise in self-control whereby one's sensitivity is heightened to the sufferings of the poor. Ramadan, the month during which the Holy Qur'an was revealed to the Prophet Muhammad, begins with the sighting of the new moon, after which abstention from eating, drinking and other sensual pleasures is obligatory from dawn to sunset. Ramadan is also a joyful month. Muslims break their fast at sunset with a special meal, iftar, perform additional nocturnal worship, tarawih, after evening prayer; and throng the streets in moods that are festive and communal. The end of Ramadan is observed by three days of celebration called Eid Al-Fitr, the feast of the breaking of the fast. Customarily, it is a time for family reunion and the favored holiday for children who receive new clothing and gifts.
Hajj, the pilgrimage to Makkah, is the fifth pillar and the most significant manifestation of Islamic faith and unity in the world. For those Muslims who are physically and financially able to make the journey to Makkah, the Hajj is a once in a lifetime duty that is the peak of their religious life. The Hajj is a remarkable spiritual gathering of over two million Muslims from all over the world to the holy city. In performing the Hajj, a pilgrim follows the order of ritual that the Prophet Muhammad performed during his last pilgrimage.
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Thank you Shamma you explained the 5 pillars of Islam perfectly,
But you should know that there are 6 pillars of faith also.

Since: Oct 13

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#550 Nov 8, 2013
Quadratus wrote:
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The prophet Abel offerred sacrifices for a sin offering in Genesis chapter 4.
The prophet Noah offerred sacrifices immediately after the flood.
The prophet Job offerred sacrifices as a sin offering for the sins of hos family.
The prophet Abraham offered sacrifices.
The prophet Moses specifically said that a sacrifice was necessary to atone for sins. In fact he wrote more about the sacrificial system than he did about the moral law.
The prophet Samuel offered sacrifices.
The prophet Isaiah wrote that one day God would send a Savior Who would die for the sins of mankind so that we could be forgiven our sins and be righteous before God.
If all the prophets believed this way, why did Mohammed believe differently?
So you Believe that Jesus is the son of god or god and sacrificed himself or his only son to atone people's sins ?
Does that really make sense to you ?!
spudgun

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#551 Nov 8, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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Congratulations Skeptic, becoming an atheist after being a christian is the first step to Islam
No it isnt, it is realising that ALL religions are false and man made. Questioning everything, and believing in nothing unless there is evidence.
spudgun

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#552 Nov 8, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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But you should know that there are 6 pillars of faith also.
Muhammed married to 6 yo Aisha. How sick.
spudgun

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#553 Nov 8, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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So you Believe that Jesus is the son of god or god and sacrificed himself or his only son to atone people's sins ?
Does that really make sense to you ?!
If you were born in a Christian family you would likely believe this to. This is how delusion works.

Imaginary sky people do not exist
spudgun

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#554 Nov 8, 2013
There is a common theme going amongst theists. Each one thinks they have the "truth" and other religions are false. Without realising that their own brand of priestcraft is just as absurd. There is nothing "holy" about the Bible or the Quran, once the God glasses come off. People with critical thinking skills can think for themselves without the need of delusional thinking, myths and superstition.

Since: Oct 13

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#555 Nov 8, 2013
spudgun wrote:
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No it isnt, it is realising that ALL religions are false and man made. Questioning everything, and believing in nothing unless there is evidence.
not necessarily, some religions were manipulated and changed for someone interest, some religions like Christianity was mixed with Greek myths, no wonder so many Christians are becoming atheists, The babble has so many contradictions and full of spiritual nonsense stuff, the whole concept of Christianity doesn't make sense.

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#556 Nov 8, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
<quoted text>
So you Believe that Jesus is the son of god or god and sacrificed himself or his only son to atone people's sins ?
Does that really make sense to you ?!
As a christian it makes more sense to him than anything in the quran and you must admit that even after two re-writes there are still several contradictions and inconsistencies for you to explain away

Since: Oct 13

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#557 Nov 8, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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As a christian it makes more sense to him than anything in the quran and you must admit that even after two re-writes there are still several contradictions and inconsistencies for you to explain away
he cannot claim that everything in the Quran doesn't make sense to him that might take him out of Christianity, Because the Quran in so many verses Confirms some of the Bible stories and teachings, beside nobody mentioned any contradictions in the Quran that I should explain.
spudgun

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#558 Nov 8, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
<quoted text>.., no wonder so many Christians are becoming atheists, The babble has so many contradictions and full of spiritual nonsense stuff, the whole concept of Christianity doesn't make sense.
I agree in part Christianity is the most absurd religion. However Islam is also absurd.

In the Bible Elijah goes to heaven on a firey chariot. In the New Testament Jesus raised from the dead and goes to heaven on a cloud. In the Quran/Hadith Muhammed goes to heaven on a winged horse.

ALL of these stories are silly. The writers clearly believed in sky god/s.

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