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Richard Dawkins - God is evil, pedophilesa not so bad

There are 3147 comments on the Examiner.com story from Sep 14, 2013, titled Richard Dawkins - God is evil, pedophilesa not so bad. In it, Examiner.com reports that:

"The God of the Qur'an is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.

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EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#519 Nov 5, 2013
Thinking wrote:
1. On many Dawkins thread some christard will try to rewrite history and say Hitler was an Atheist.
2. You are the one that used the word religion.
3. "gott mit uns" was worn by German soldiers - not "Odin".
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Who really knows what Hitler thought about god(s)?

Like many people, it seems he came to see the absurdity of religion and the idea of an Abrahamic god(s). Just because a politician or dictator is overtly religious, it doesn't automatically follow that he believes in god(s). Politicians like many non-believers of his time found it politic to couch their language in religious language sometimes. From what I've read, Hitler had more interest in using Christianity as a means to help manipulate and influence voters than any interest he had in god(s) or religion. His fanaticism was motivated more by racism and ideology than religion.

One practical effect of religion is that politicians and clerics use it as a means to control or direct the ignorant and the slow-witted.
Thinking

Royston, UK

#520 Nov 5, 2013
Hitler believed in a lot of bollocks, including god and the occult.
The scientific method was weak in that one.
EdSed wrote:
<quoted text>Who really knows what Hitler thought about god(s)?
Like many people, it seems he came to see the absurdity of religion and the idea of an Abrahamic god(s). Just because a politician or dictator is overtly religious, it doesn't automatically follow that he believes in god(s). Politicians like many non-believers of his time found it politic to couch their language in religious language sometimes. From what I've read, Hitler had more interest in using Christianity as a means to help manipulate and influence voters than any interest he had in god(s) or religion. His fanaticism was motivated more by racism and ideology than religion.
One practical effect of religion is that politicians and clerics use it as a means to control or direct the ignorant and the slow-witted.

Since: Oct 13

Location hidden

#521 Nov 5, 2013
Quadratus wrote:
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I understand your perception of the crucifixion, but before Jesus there are I think 26 prophets Islam recognizes. A look into their writings show they did not believe man could stand before God in their good works alone, but that the sacrifice of an innocent halal animal was necessary to atone for sins. Moses for example, wrote as much about the sacrifices as he did the moral commandments. It was a very well established part of patriarchal theology. Why would God abandon the need for sacrifices when Mohammed arrived? It appears to me that Mohammed cut out half of the true religion of God, and renamed it Islam.
what is your perception of the Crucifixion ?!

sacrificing animals on Eid Al Adha is originally taken from Prophet Abraham (Peace be Upon Him), and for that sacrifice we don't only slaughter animals to atone our sins we should give this meat to the poor as well so there is an obvious interest to the community, and it was proved recently that Halal meat and slaughtering animals according to Islamic method is the best way to slaughter an animal with the least pain, you can read this article for more info http://miracle-truths.webs.com/090-Islamic_me...
Amused

Lowell, MA

#522 Nov 5, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter....
Pearls before swine. LCN has absolutely no interest in the truth. He is merely a troll, and his goal is not to engage in honest discussion, but just to throw out little disruptions of serious discussion to derail serious debate. No matter how much factual matter you cite showing he is wrong, he will be back soon asserting the same nonsense, as if the rebuttal never happened.

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#523 Nov 5, 2013
Amused wrote:
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Pearls before swine. LCN has absolutely no interest in the truth. He is merely a troll, and his goal is not to engage in honest discussion, but just to throw out little disruptions of serious discussion to derail serious debate. No matter how much factual matter you cite showing he is wrong, he will be back soon asserting the same nonsense, as if the rebuttal never happened.
That is the fundy way, get shown the facts, the evidence the truth, pretend you were not shown facts, evidence and truth and start all over again

Still it’s fun to watch then going round in circles

Since: Jul 11

Portland, OR

#524 Nov 5, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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what is your perception of the Crucifixion ?!
sacrificing animals on Eid Al Adha is originally taken from Prophet Abraham (Peace be Upon Him), and for that sacrifice we don't only slaughter animals to atone our sins we should give this meat to the poor as well so there is an obvious interest to the community, and it was proved recently that Halal meat and slaughtering animals according to Islamic method is the best way to slaughter an
animal with the least pain, you can read this article for more info http://miracle-truths.webs.com/090-Islamic_me...
In several conversations with Muslims, you are the first to even partially associate the sacrifice of El Eid as atonement for sin. Do you have documementation that such is the official Islamic tradition.
My interpretation of the crucifixion comes primarily from Isaiah 53. He (God's Servant ) was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquity, the chastisement of our peace (with God) was upon him, and by his stripes we are healed.
Civician

Dixon, CA

#525 Nov 5, 2013
Quadratus wrote:
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Actually I got a lot of it from William Lane Craig, a Christian philosopher who whipped the socks off the president of American Atheists in a public
debate. But thats neither here nor there.
A nano second before the big bang, an environment existed outside all known parameters of science. All the matter, energy, and time in the universe was compacted into a dot the size of a period at the end of a page. It is called a singularity. Science cannot explain it, yet from it came all the laws of science. So, something existed that created science that science cannot explain.
And...that something is unknown to man, at least those men who use all the evidence afforded them by their natural abilities, and will be unknown until they uncover the science behind it. They won't uncover anything by praying to a mythical creature, they will have to use the tools they have at hand, like science.

Since: Jul 11

Portland, OR

#526 Nov 5, 2013
Civician wrote:
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And...that something is unknown to man, at least those men who use all the evidence afforded them by their natural abilities, and will be unknown until they uncover the science behind it. They won't uncover anything by praying to a mythical creature, they will have to use the tools they have at hand, like science.
You have faith that science will one day explain how all the dirt, energy, and time, of a seemingly infinite universe, popped into existence from a very dense dot, that itself popped into existence from infinite nothing.
I have faith that the infinite God spoke it into existence.
Yet your faith is wise and mine is foolish.
They're both faith.
Science is great for telling us how to build ipods and nuclear bombs, but there are three areas science cannot explain. Pre-science - where we came from. Post - science - where we are going. And a nagging phenomenon in this materialistic world - how do you cure evil?
These are the purvue of God alone.
One of the reasons I believe in the God of the Bible when He tells me where I came from, and where I am going, is because He alone has shown me that He can cure the principle of evil in man.
Civician

Dixon, CA

#527 Nov 5, 2013
Quadratus wrote:
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You have faith that science will one day explain how all the dirt, energy, and time, of a seemingly infinite universe, popped into existence from a very dense dot, that itself popped into existence from infinite nothing.
I have faith that the infinite God spoke it into existence.
Yet your faith is wise and mine is foolish.
They're both faith.
Science is great for telling us how to build ipods and nuclear bombs, but there are three areas science cannot explain. Pre-science - where we came from. Post - science - where we are going. And a nagging phenomenon in this materialistic world - how do you cure evil?
These are the purvue of God alone.
One of the reasons I believe in the God of the Bible when He tells me where I came from, and where I am going, is because He alone has shown me that He can cure the principle of evil in man.
They are not both faith, science is substance, belief in deities is mysticism. One can be explained, the other is simply story telling.
No one knows yet where we came from, but science gives us the best hope of knowing; and as far as where we are going...done. Science already figured that out a long time ago, and it's not pretty. The sun goes boom and takes the entire galaxy along with it. Curing evil is easy, just get rid of mankind. Oh, but wait a minute, turns out there's millions of other earths in the universe, all with perfect conditions for growing more things like us. Bummer.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#528 Nov 5, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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what is your perception of the Crucifixion ?!
sacrificing animals on Eid Al Adha is originally taken from Prophet Abraham (Peace be Upon Him), and for that sacrifice we don't only slaughter animals to atone our sins we should give this meat to the poor as well so there is an obvious interest to the community, and it was proved recently that Halal meat and slaughtering animals according to Islamic method is the best way to slaughter an animal with the least pain, you can read this article for more info http://miracle-truths.webs.com/090-Islamic_me...
Probably never even happened - human like to lie a lot to get attention - as you demonstrate.

Since: Oct 13

Location hidden

#529 Nov 6, 2013
Quadratus wrote:
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In several conversations with Muslims, you are the first to even partially associate the sacrifice of El Eid as atonement for sin. Do you have documementation that such is the official Islamic tradition.
My interpretation of the crucifixion comes primarily from Isaiah 53. He (God's Servant ) was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquity, the chastisement of our peace (with God) was upon him, and by his stripes we are healed.
The sacrificing of animals on Al Eid ( Al Udhiya ) does atone sins but not forever and certainly has a different concept than sacrificing of Jesus in Christianity, sacrificing animals is obviously documented in Quran and Hadith :-

1- Muslims remember and commemorate the trials and triumphs of the Prophet Abraham. The Qur'an describes Abraham as follows:

"Surely Abraham was an example, obedient to Allah, by nature upright, and he was not of the polytheists. He was grateful for Our bounties. We chose him and guided him unto a right path. We gave him good in this world, and in the next he will most surely be among the righteous." (Qur'an 16:120-121)

2-It is very important to understand that the sacrifice itself, as practiced by Muslims, has nothing to do with atoning for our sins or using the blood to wash ourselves from sin as the Christians concept of sacrificing : "It is not their meat nor their blood that reaches Allah; it is your piety that reaches Him." (Qur'an 22:37)

3-Messange of Allah (pbuh) is reported to have said :
“Whoever can afford to offer a sacrifice but does not do so, let him not approach our place for prayer.

A true Muslim, one who submits his or herself completely to the Lord, is willing to follow Allah's commands completely and obediently. It is this strength of heart, purity in faith, and willing obedience that our Lord desires from us.

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#530 Nov 6, 2013
When you study the five pillars of Islam you find that Islam is a Cult religion.
cult.
1.A religion or religious sect generally considered to be under the guidance of an authoritarian, charismatic leader.

The names of Allah and Muhammad often occur side by side -- God and His Prophet. Muhammad serves both as God's human instrument in bearing His revelation and as the model or ideal whom all believers should emulate. Understanding Muhammad and his role in the early Islamic community is crucial for an appreciation of the development of Islam.

Islam is under the guidance of Muhammad who fills in on earth as Gods personal ruler over all peoples.

If you are not a believer in Muhammad one cannot receive the benefits of the five Pillars listed below.

The Five Pillars Of Islam

Islam has five primary obligations, or pillars of faith, that each Muslim must fulfill in his or her lifetime. They are as follows:

Shahadah, profession of faith, is the first pillar of Islam. Muslims bear witness to the oneness of God by reciting the creed "There is no God but God and Muhammad is the Messenger of God." This simple yet profound statement expresses a Muslim's complete acceptance of and total commitment to Islam.

Salah, prayer, is the second pillar. The Islamic faith is based on the belief that individuals have a direct relationship with God. The world's Muslims turn individually and collectively to Makkah, Islam's holiest city, to offer five daily prayers at dawn, noon, mid-afternoon, sunset and evening. In addition, Friday congregational service is also required. Although salah can he performed alone, it is meritorious to perform it with another or with a group. It is permissible to pray at home, at work, or even outdoors; however it is recommended that Muslims perform salah in a mosque.

Zakat, almsgiving, is the third pillar. Social responsibility is considered part of one's service to God; the obligatory act of zakat enshrines this duty. Zakat prescribes payment of fixed proportions of a Muslim's possessions for the welfare of the entire community and in particular for its neediest members. It is equal to 2.5 percent of an individual's total net worth, excluding obligations and family expenses.

Sawm, fasting during the holy month of Ramadan, is the fourth pillar of Islam. Ordained in the Holy Qur'an, the fast is an act of deep personal worship in which Muslims seek a richer perception of God. Fasting is also an exercise in self-control whereby one's sensitivity is heightened to the sufferings of the poor. Ramadan, the month during which the Holy Qur'an was revealed to the Prophet Muhammad, begins with the sighting of the new moon, after which abstention from eating, drinking and other sensual pleasures is obligatory from dawn to sunset. Ramadan is also a joyful month. Muslims break their fast at sunset with a special meal, iftar, perform additional nocturnal worship, tarawih, after evening prayer; and throng the streets in moods that are festive and communal. The end of Ramadan is observed by three days of celebration called Eid Al-Fitr, the feast of the breaking of the fast. Customarily, it is a time for family reunion and the favored holiday for children who receive new clothing and gifts.

Hajj, the pilgrimage to Makkah, is the fifth pillar and the most significant manifestation of Islamic faith and unity in the world. For those Muslims who are physically and financially able to make the journey to Makkah, the Hajj is a once in a lifetime duty that is the peak of their religious life. The Hajj is a remarkable spiritual gathering of over two million Muslims from all over the world to the holy city. In performing the Hajj, a pilgrim follows the order of ritual that the Prophet Muhammad performed during his last pilgrimage.

The five pillars of Islam define the basic identity of Muslims - their faith, beliefs and practices - and bind together a worldwide community of believers into a fellowship of shared values and concerns.+3
Thinking

Royston, UK

#531 Nov 6, 2013
Lincunt is a waste of skin.
Amused wrote:
<quoted text>
Pearls before swine. LCN has absolutely no interest in the truth. He is merely a troll, and his goal is not to engage in honest discussion, but just to throw out little disruptions of serious discussion to derail serious debate. No matter how much factual matter you cite showing he is wrong, he will be back soon asserting the same nonsense, as if the rebuttal never happened.

Since: Jul 11

Portland, OR

#532 Nov 6, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
<quoted text>
The sacrificing of animals on Al Eid ( Al Udhiya ) does atone sins but not forever and certainly has a different concept than sacrificing of Jesus in Christianity, sacrificing animals is obviously documented in Quran and Hadith :-
1- Muslims remember and commemorate the trials and triumphs of the Prophet Abraham. The Qur'an describes Abraham as follows:
"Surely Abraham was an example, obedient to
Allah, by nature upright, and he was not of the polytheists. He was grateful for Our bounties. We chose him and guided him unto a right path. We gave him good in this world, and in the next he will most surely be among the righteous." (Qur'an 16:120-121)
2-It is very important to understand that the sacrifice itself, as practiced by Muslims, has
nothing to do with atoning for our sins or using the blood to wash ourselves from sin as the Christians concept of sacrificing : "It is not their meat nor their blood that reaches Allah; it is your piety that reaches Him." (Qur'an 22:37)
3-Messange of Allah (pbuh) is reported to have said :
“Whoever can afford to offer a sacrifice but does not do so, let him not approach our place for
prayer.
A true Muslim, one who submits his or herself completely to the Lord, is willing to follow Allah's commands completely and obediently. It is this strength of heart, purity in faith, and willing obedience that our Lord desires from us.
The prophet Abel offerred sacrifices for a sin offering in Genesis chapter 4.
The prophet Noah offerred sacrifices immediately after the flood.
The prophet Job offerred sacrifices as a sin offering for the sins of hos family.
The prophet Abraham offered sacrifices.
The prophet Moses specifically said that a sacrifice was necessary to atone for sins. In fact he wrote more about the sacrificial system than he did about the moral law.
The prophet Samuel offered sacrifices.
The prophet Isaiah wrote that one day God would send a Savior Who would die for the sins of mankind so that we could be forgiven our sins and be righteous before God.
If all the prophets believed this way, why did Mohammed believe differently?

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#533 Nov 6, 2013
Quadratus wrote:
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Science is great for telling us how to build ipods and nuclear bombs, but there are three areas science cannot explain. Pre-science - where we came from.
Science discovered Evolution and has already answered this question.

Nothing is pre-science because science addresses the physical universe.
Quadratus wrote:
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Post - science - where we are going.
Nobody knows the future - to even consider this as something science doesn't do is simply stupid.
Quadratus wrote:
<quoted text>
And a nagging phenomenon in this materialistic world - how do you cure evil?
The world is not materialistic. Materism isn't even a "thing" in itself.

materialism is a word that lying religious people use, to describe the REAL WORLD - because their theist fantasy is immaterial - again an invented (lied about) word and never proven.

It shields their delusion from "normal" "material" criticism, while allowing them to lie as much as they like.
Quadratus wrote:
<quoted text>
These are the purvue of God alone.
One of the reasons I believe in the God of the Bible when He tells me where I came from, and where I am going, is because He alone has shown me that He can cure the principle of evil in man.
There's no such thing as god, and you have no evidence of god. Theists must take more responsibility for lying to other people about the basis of their cult.

Since: Jul 11

Portland, OR

#534 Nov 7, 2013
Skeptic:
Pre science = pre evolution.
Where did the singularity that exploded into the big bang come from. It didnt come from any science we know of.

Since: Jul 11

Portland, OR

#535 Nov 7, 2013
Post science, we dont know what happens after death through science. We can assume that there is nothing - but that is itself a faith based worldview.

Since: Jul 11

Portland, OR

#536 Nov 7, 2013
Skeptic:
The problem of evil is vexing. Science works about the same as religion for keeping good men good. But there is a greater power than science at play in this venue. New Birth Christianity has a startling power to make bad people good - something neither science, nor traditional religion can accomplish.

Since: Jul 11

Portland, OR

#537 Nov 7, 2013
Skeptic:
God,
Your view on Him is as faith based as mine - but with substantially less evidence.

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#538 Nov 7, 2013
Quadratus wrote:
Skeptic:
Pre science = pre evolution.
Where did the singularity that exploded into the big bang come from. It didnt come from any science we know of.
Nor from any god.

However just because the BB event occurred who knows how is no reason to say “doh we don’t know so it must be a god wot done it by magic”.

FYI, The concept of a singularity is convenient based on current knowledge but that concept may be incorrect. There are at least 27 mathematical valid theories of what caused the BB, perhaps one is correct perhaps not, maybe we will never know simply because knowledge of the effects of the event stops prior to the universal laws of this universe forming.

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