Richard Dawkins - God is evil, pedophilesa not so bad

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"The God of the Qur'an is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.

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#436 Nov 2, 2013
No-Doubt wrote:
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You have to decrease time off fucking so you will use this ward less
Then you will become polite
No wonder atheist has no ethics
U suffer from severe lack of knowledge
Poor you
Watch ;in coming out from his leg
http://m.youtube.com/watch...
Do u want to claim this is not true
http://m.youtube.com/watch...
Are u mad because I am revealing what you trying to hide lol
Claim it is Supernatural
Call it whatever / doesn't mean it happen by it self
If not
So why they ask certain people to kill..... in dessert
Oh
It is supernatural who asking for
I mean jin
U have to read magic book
They have something called pre inviting ghosts
Some people eyes turn red because jin tolerate them
They confeSsed
Atheism is a simple disbelief in the stupid sh*t invented by cults.

Atheists do have ethics, we have the ethics to point out when you are a simple minded religious liars with no proof of god. Lying to society and yourselves with no shame or responsibility..

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#437 Nov 2, 2013
No-Doubt wrote:
By the way it was proved scientifically
In DR OZ show
So stop acting idiot
There was huge audience
Trying to find victims
Science shows us that you're idiots who don't understand basic science.

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#438 Nov 2, 2013
No-Doubt wrote:
Skeyptic
Know the truth but he acting as if he doesn't
Huraira reported that The Prophet (PBUH) said: "All what of son of Adam will (be eaten???) by the earthexcept the coccyx from which he was created and from which he will be resurrected "
Proved
The German scientist started his experiments on the amphibians by implanting the primary organiser in a second foetus, which led to the growth of a secondary embryo. The implantation of the cut primary organiser was in another foetus of the same age under the Epiblast layer and lead to the apparition of a secondary embryonic anlage.
In 1931, when Spemann crushed the primary organiser and implanted it again, the crushing did not affect the experiment as again, a secondary embryonic anlage grew.
They even put it in chemical but didn't dissolve
More cult bullsh*t you are a stupid enough to believe. None of this proves your god, it just shows us how idiotic and gullible you fearful cowards really are when it comes to proving your god.

Run away from the question!
Meh

Saskatoon, Canada

#439 Nov 2, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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I think you don't know much of the Islamic history, at the time Europe was living in Dark ages , Islamic nations were applying Sharia Law, the Muslims were living in golden ages, everything improved, there were so many muslim scientists in different categories, now its widely acceptable that most of the Industrial Revolution depended on sciences were discovered by Muslims, if you know a little bit about astronomy you will notice that most of the stars have Arabic names because they were carefully studied and Recorded by Muslims, even mathematics (ALGEBRA) was discovered by an Arabic Muslim and the list goes on ....
Algebra the word was invented by muslims but not the math, i wouldnt even be bold enough to say greeks invented it, because who know they could have gotten the math from others. If you would have said muslims made great strides in algebra then i would agree. About the golden age of muslims you forget how much you guys got from the east, trade to europe was almost totally destroyed when islam took over the middle east.
And dont try to say islam is the best for astronomy, it was around way before islam, Chinese used to tell omens, same with the europe. Just because thier names used are arab doesnt mean an arab discovered them. It was just the best chose to keep existing names, while islam would try to change the name so they could be thought the better for it. Alot of the so called stars that you say were named by islam had names before hand, just not used after the name was changed. But whatever, you can think they invented everything for all i care, i just wont agree with you.

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#440 Nov 2, 2013
Meh wrote:
<quoted text> Algebra the word was invented by muslims but not the math, i wouldnt even be bold enough to say greeks invented it, because who know they could have gotten the math from others. If you would have said muslims made great strides in algebra then i would agree. About the golden age of muslims you forget how much you guys got from the east, trade to europe was almost totally destroyed when islam took over the middle east.
And dont try to say islam is the best for astronomy, it was around way before islam, Chinese used to tell omens, same with the europe. Just because thier names used are arab doesnt mean an arab discovered them. It was just the best chose to keep existing names, while islam would try to change the name so they could be thought the better for it. Alot of the so called stars that you say were named by islam had names before hand, just not used after the name was changed. But whatever, you can think they invented everything for all i care, i just wont agree with you.
Hello, I just wanted to make a point which is the Islamic nations were at its peak when they applied the Islamic sharia law , in other words Islam encourage science and good work, while Europe was ruled by church and caused what you call the Dark ages,you cannot imagine how many scientists were killed during that time only because their studies would contradict with the church teachings, so that's why people now hate religions and started to invent new ways to live their lives.
Meh

Saskatoon, Canada

#441 Nov 2, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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Hello, I just wanted to make a point which is the Islamic nations were at its peak when they applied the Islamic sharia law , in other words Islam encourage science and good work, while Europe was ruled by church and caused what you call the Dark ages,you cannot imagine how many scientists were killed during that time only because their studies would contradict with the church teachings, so that's why people now hate religions and started to invent new ways to live their lives.
Yes and no, sharia law worked for many during that time, but not all. Even during your peak alot of scientist were considered heretics within islam. And i know how bad the church was for europe, and alot of muslims think islam will help that void. To me that would be going back to being under the yoke of church, grant that it would be a mosque.
I appreciate that your comment was well spoken without any hostility and anger. You read my points and didnt bash at them you took them into consideration and didnt take offense to what my point of view was. Thanks and have a good day. May we argue and talk more in this civilized manner.
Meh

Saskatoon, Canada

#442 Nov 2, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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Hello, I just wanted to make a point which is the Islamic nations were at its peak when they applied the Islamic sharia law , in other words Islam encourage science and good work, while Europe was ruled by church and caused what you call the Dark ages,you cannot imagine how many scientists were killed during that time only because their studies would contradict with the church teachings, so that's why people now hate religions and started to invent new ways to live their lives.
I will give this to islam and many muslims, if it wasnt for them keeping medical history of other civs and thier contribution to the medical science while europe was in control of greedy religous nuts. And for others that might say something on this, yes i know the chinese also did great strides too.

“When religion and politics travel in the same cart, the riders believe nothing can stand in their way. Their movements become headlong - faster and faster and faster. They put aside all thoughts of obstacles and forget the precipice does not show itself to the man in a blind rush until it's to late.”

&#8213; Frank Herbert, Dune
Again have a good day, and glad to have a person that can be civil even when we dont see eye to eye.

“Evil Atheist :-)”

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#443 Nov 2, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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Part 1
Hello "Igor trip" I would be more than happy to talk to you again, at first I was not trying to prove anything, I started to explain Islam and its ideology in short words, the relationship between the creator and humans is certainly not Just about heaven and paradise, because we have a detailed lets call it a "manual" in life and believe it or not the creator want you to live your own life but within specific rules to maintain Justice in this world, you are free to live your own life as long as you are not doing any harm to anything (Humans, environment, animals...etc) around you and as you said the purpose of life is to worship god, but what does worshiping god means ?!! worshiping god certainly doesn't mean to keep praying 24/7 ; worshiping god means you believe that there is nothing worthy of worship except him thus you have to live your life according to that which means you'll try to please him in everything you do simply because you know any action you do during this life will have consequences in this life and the after life, good news and warnings were delivered by prophets because after all we are humans and the human nature needs a motivation to do good and sometimes a punishment to stay away from bad actions, there is a Psychology wisdom behind that.
It still comes down to obey the God of Islam or burn.
The problem is I don't believe in Islam and most people never have which means most people are going to burn (including billions of Christians who believe in the trinity). A real all knowing God could have easily ensured that the vast majority of the peoples of the world would at least know the basics of Islam (one God, heaven, hell, resurrection).
It shouldn't come down to the word of just one man.

Yes we do need the threat of consequences to help keep our base instincts under control but all societies know that.
hazem selawi wrote:
you got me wrong regarding the other religions and prophets, I do know that all religions have commandments but these commandments are vague and only tell you to do good different things like feeding the poor, dont steal ...etc and to not to commit any sin, but what if I stole ?!! what if I committed adultery ?!! how shall I feed the poor ? what if I committed a murder ?!
in Islam its different because according to Mohammed teachings (Hadith or Sunnah) and the Quran everything is obvious and can be applied easily with specific and accurate numbers and percentage ,
one of the five pillars of Islam is to pay 2.5% of your wealth yearly if you were rich (with specific details) you can google (Zakkah), and even this zakkah should go for specific people not only the poor and orphans , in other words there is a detailed rules to maintain a very strong economy and a very strong community at the same time, Mohammed teachings organize family and social relations also in a specific and accurate method, the heritage is also explained very well and with specific percentages
There are very few specific rules in the Quran and the hadiths are hardly detailed enough and were written down way to long after the events they describe to be reliable.
This means that Sharia laws involve a lot of interpretation of old texts by scholars.

“Evil Atheist :-)”

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#444 Nov 2, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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Part 2
I will continue explaining that Islamic law covers all aspects of life, from matters of state, like governance and foreign relations, to issues of daily living. The Qur'an defines the punishments for five specific crimes: unlawful intercourse, false accusation of unlawful intercourse, consumption of alcohol, theft, and highway robbery. The Qur'an and Sunnah also contain laws of inheritance, marriage, and restitution for injuries and murder, as well as rules for fasting, charity, and prayer, Islamic Sharia has specific Rules to maintain a better life even to trees, environment and animals (literally everything is covered and was taught by prophet Mohammed).
Didn't the original Arabic society also have such rules?
I just don't find the hadith specific enough to be useful for developing a complete law system without scholars having to literally fill in the gaps themselves.

Do you know there's a hadith ordering the killing of all dogs?
From Sahih Muslim
#3813 - Abu Zubair heard Jabir Abdullah saying: Allah's messenger ordered us
to kill dogs and we carried out this order so much so that we also killed
the dog roaming with a women from the desert. Then Allah's apostle forbade
their killing. He said: "It is your duty to kill the jet-black (dog)
having two spots (on the eyes) for it is a devil.
hazem selawi wrote:
yes I have tried the inheritance rules and they work perfectly, recently I lost my grandfather he was a very rich man who has 4 sons, 2 daughters and a wife by the time we continued the paper work, the judge told us that even Christians apply the Islamic inheritance rules to prevent any problems between the Heirs although they don't have to but obviously the church doesn't offer any specific inheritance rules, anyways it turned out that there are so many cases to apply the inheritance rules, when the dead has 2 sons and no wife its different, when the dead has 1 son its different, there are so many cases and each case is accurately calculated and explained in Mohammed teachings (Hadith and Sunnah), so the statement you wrote ("Have you tried working out the inheritance rules (4:11/12 & 4:176)? Unless there's a son the numbers don't add up.") doesn't make any sense and the Quran should be complemented by Sunnah and teachings of Mohammed, for instance the Quran only say pray and pay charity (Zakkah) but it was explained by Mohammed how exactly to pray and how to pay Zakkah.
As I said, if there is a son the inheritance system works. This is because it deals in portions with the males getting twice the portion of the females.
But if there are no males the it deals in fractions and they don't always add up.

4:11 Allah charges you, concerning your children:
to the male the like of the portion of two females,
and if they be women above two, then for them two-thirds of what he leaves,
but if she be one then to her a half;...

For example if there is only one daughter she will get Half the inheritance but who gets the rest? The Quran doesn't say.

Too much inheritance can also be awarded.

If there are 3 daughters (2/3) both parents of deceased (1/3) and wife (1/8) that's an 1/8th to much.

To solve these dilemmas two basic rules were added. Either the nearest male relative gets any excess or the portions are adjusted equally. These two rules solve the problems but they are not in the Quran or hadiths.

“Evil Atheist :-)”

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#445 Nov 2, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
I cannot prove to you that people didn't go hungry in the Islamic world because not all of the Islamic previous leaders applied the Islamic Sharia law accurately, some of them failed but you can easily compare the Islamic nations now and back then, and we can get you the authentic Rules and teachings of Quran and Sunnah and theoretically apply it to the new world problems Just name the problem and I will explain what Islamic sharia offers.
have you ever considered the difference between Halal Meat (slaughtered according to teachings of Mohammed) and other meat ?!!
even animals should be slaughtered in a specific way to guarantee
the least pain and the easiest way for animals (for further details you can read this article http://quran-m.com/firas/en1/index.php... )
the list goes on for everything, Just name anything and i'll tell what Islam offers.
"Igor Trip" I want you to understand that me being a believer certainly doesn't guarantee me the paradise,we know that even believers will be questioned for everything, Its the creator choice to whether put me in heaven or Hell, he is the only Judge, we try to do good deeds as much as we can and hope to please the creator ..thats it!! there is a Hadith From Mohammed which tells a story about a woman who will go to paradise only for giving water to a thirsty dog in the dessert.
God is merciful and just; before anyone goes to hell he/she will be asked whether he received the warning or not, and whether he received this message was it explained enough for him or not.
In a perfect world with perfect people and perfect laws everything would be perfect (though probably very dull) but we don't and never have.
Islams golden age was still full of wars, plagues, poverty and slavery as well as improvements in education, medicine and science.

I still haven't seen anything that tells me Islam is true.

“Evil Atheist :-)”

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#446 Nov 2, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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Hello, I just wanted to make a point which is the Islamic nations were at its peak when they applied the Islamic sharia law , in other words Islam encourage science and good work, while Europe was ruled by church and caused what you call the Dark ages,you cannot imagine how many scientists were killed during that time only because their studies would contradict with the church teachings, so that's why people now hate religions and started to invent new ways to live their lives.
Actually only western Europe had a dark age, eastern Europe under the Byzantines continued to flourish and they helped preserve the old Greek knowledge.
The Dark ages refers to the collapse of the Roman empire and thus Christianity in the west and ended once Christianity and order had been restored.

What did happen in the East is that because there was no early authority there were many Christian sects many of which where considered heretical by the now Christian Roman rulers. This led to the oppression of all decent including the closing of Greek philosophical schools, but Christian scholars did try and use Greek logic and philosophy to explain Christianity.

Since: Sep 13

Dubai, UAE

#447 Nov 2, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
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Atheism is a simple disbelief in the stupid sh*t invented by cults.
Atheists do have ethics, we have the ethics to point out when you are a simple minded religious liars with no proof of god. Lying to society and yourselves with no shame or responsibility..
Ya I know you have kind of shallow ethics

Insulting, committing adultery, homosexual

All these called ethics

And catogrized as bad ethics

You want to claim scientist also bullshit

You only one who understand

Those scientist crazy

Every one see other as if he seeing his self

Since: Sep 13

Dubai, UAE

#448 Nov 2, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
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Science shows us that you're idiots who don't understand basic science.
Ok let us claim I don't understand basic claims

Well

Then what about Dr oz who brought proffession
He also doesn't understand

He stated clearly Ghosts Esxit

So don't run from truth

Since: Sep 13

Dubai, UAE

#449 Nov 2, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
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More cult bullsh*t you are a stupid enough to believe. None of this proves your god, it just shows us how idiotic and gullible you fearful cowards really are when it comes to proving your god.
Run away from the question!
It is prove for what happen after life

I didn't mentioned God

Psycho

Since: Sep 13

Dubai, UAE

#450 Nov 2, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
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More cult bullsh*t you are a stupid enough to believe. None of this proves your god, it just shows us how idiotic and gullible you fearful cowards really are when it comes to proving your god.
Run away from the question!
More cult bullsh*t you are stupid enough to believe there is no god

You didn't even brought logical prove

It show us how idiotc and guillble your fearful cowards really really when it come to prove there is no God

Oh

I have learned something from u insulting

Since: Sep 13

Dubai, UAE

#451 Nov 2, 2013
You r clear prove for God

There is no creation without creator

Even no one will believe,

There is no God

Then if you believe that my house built by itself
I will believe there is no creator

Which is impossible to be proved

“Evil Atheist :-)”

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#452 Nov 2, 2013
No-Doubt wrote:
You r clear prove for God
There is no creation without creator
Even no one will believe,
There is no God
Then if you believe that my house built by itself
I will believe there is no creator
Which is impossible to be proved
So who created God?

If the universe needs a creator then the creator needs a creator.
If the creator doesn't need a creator then why should the universe?

Theists have this weird idea that God doesn't need to be explained. He does.

Since: Jul 11

Portland, OR

#453 Nov 2, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
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The rest of the world does not stop, simply because you had "a feeling".
You need evidence to prove god is real, and you liars don't have it.
You dont know me and you call me a liar. And you want us to think your judgment is unbiased. Actually the atheistic world does stop the moment anyone meets God. It stops for the person who encounters God. You say that cant happen
because God doesnt exist - thats just begging the question. Its interesting. Of the two groups, only the Christian knows. The atheist can only assume. You cant know a universal negative, but if God
reveals Himself to someone that person knows.
You say God is unscientific. Yet science knows that something out there unscientific. You cant get to the singularity that caused the big bang by our
laws of science. So something unscientifically created science. Suppose that something were God, would He have to reveal Himself through science? No. He is greater than science, He can reveal Himself however He chooses. If He wanted to He could remain invisible to scientific testing, and reveal Himself only through personal encounters. He seems to imply that idea in 1 Corinthians. When the world by wisdom knew not
God, it pleased God through the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

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#454 Nov 2, 2013
Igor Trip wrote:
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So who created God?
If the universe needs a creator then the creator needs a creator.
If the creator doesn't need a creator then why should the universe?
Theists have this weird idea that God doesn't need to be explained. He does.
That is the best question I've ever read in this forum, if a creator created the universe then he should have a creator who created him,
that's when you should know the attributes of the creator, we believe that god the creator is infinite, he has no beginning and no end. Say, "He is Allah ,[who is] One,Allah , the Eternal Refuge, He neither begets nor is born,Nor is there to Him any equivalent." surah 112

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#455 Nov 2, 2013
Igor Trip wrote:
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It still comes down to obey the God of Islam or burn.
The problem is I don't believe in Islam and most people never have which means most people are going to burn (including billions of Christians who believe in the trinity). A real all knowing God could have easily ensured that the vast majority of the peoples of the world would at least know the basics of Islam (one God, heaven, hell, resurrection).
It shouldn't come down to the word of just one man.
Yes we do need the threat of consequences to help keep our base instincts under control but all societies know that.
<quoted text>
There are very few specific rules in the Quran and the hadiths are hardly detailed enough and were written down way to long after the events they describe to be reliable.
This means that Sharia laws involve a lot of interpretation of old texts by scholars.
we believe that all prophets and messengers are Muslims and they all delivered the same message (one God) monotheism is the most important issue, the actual teachings of Jesus (Issa in Arabic) was to worship only one god, he never claimed to be god or a son of god .
There a numerous rules in The Quran and Hadith, more than you can imagine, and you should know that there 3 types of Hadith and these types are also categorized, we only take what is called Sahih (100% authentic), there is a special and very complicated method to categorize Hadith, so you cannot just simply say Hadith was written way long after the death of Mohammed, The Sahih Hadith should be narrated by a specific number of narrators and companions, lets assume that one of these narrators were known to have a short memory this may take down the Hadith from being Sahih into Hasan (less accurate), and The authentic Hadith should be supported by another Hadith, lets assume that one of the narrators was known to be A Liar this will instantly take the Hadith down to weak , there are so many details regarding the science of Hadith, for further details you can check this link http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Hadith/Ulum/

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