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Richard Dawkins - God is evil, pedophilesa not so bad

There are 3147 comments on the Examiner.com story from Sep 14, 2013, titled Richard Dawkins - God is evil, pedophilesa not so bad. In it, Examiner.com reports that:

"The God of the Qur'an is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.

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“Evil Atheist :-)”

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#2592 Mar 11, 2014
hazem selawi wrote:
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of course I know that there are so many kinds of bacteria, that wasn't my point.
lets make things more simple
Bacteria belongs to Monera kingdom (single-celled organisms, without nucleus)
Monera kingdom has several sub-kingdoms or phylums such as :Archaebacteria, Eubacteria,
Anaerobic Phototrophic bacteria, Cyanobacteria, Prochlorophyta and Schizophyta.
Eukaryote is any living thing whose cells contain a nucleus and other structures (organelles) enclosed within membranes.
I am totally confused and don't get your point, are you saying that some Bacteria changed into another species ?? and when exactly did that happen ??
So you accept there are multiple species of bacteria then?
So why don't you accept a bacteria changing into a new species of bacteria, one that can digest nylon?
They don't have to grow legs to be a new species.
hazem selawi wrote:
yeah in your dreams, this whole thing is a big propaganda.
can we agree that Formulae are the only reliable way to test a theory ???!!
Every scientific theory has a formula, except the Theory of Evolution, why is that ??
New or modified genes equal a new variant or species.
hazem selawi wrote:
so you believe that we evolved from the simplest form of bacterial life to way more complex forms of life, I think that the basic bacteria had less than 500 genes; man has over 22 thousands, thus In order for bacteria to evolve into man, organisms would have to be able to add genes. But there is no genetic mechanism that adds a gene.(Mutations change an existing gene but never add a gene.) This means there is no mechanism for Darwinian Evolution and has no formula.
Have you tried searching the internet?

Mechanisms of genome evolution
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genome_evolution...
These include:
Gene duplication.
Whole gene duplication.
Transposable elements.
Mutations.
Pseudogenes.
Exon shuffling.
hazem selawi wrote:
I wanted you to give me one observable evidence of one species changing into another species, so far you gave me examples may happened before 90 or 100 millions of years.
I am sorry but I cannot have faith in that, I need to see a living thing evolving from a species to another in front of my eyes, or otherwise It will be a belief.
Here's a question for which I've never received an answer.
How much would a dog have to change before it's no longer a wolf but a new species?

The problem with your question is that all new species are just modifications of existing species so there's no clear barrier as to when it's different enough to be considered a different species.
Also all life is very similar. All birds have the same basic body plan (even penguins) as do fish, insects, spiders etc. We even share half our dna with a banana.
What dogs prove is just how flexible genes are and that given millions of years all the variations on life we see can evolve from simpler ancestors.

“Evil Atheist :-)”

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#2593 Mar 11, 2014
hazem selawi wrote:
there are so many scientists against the evolution theory but it seems that only the
Evolution scientists know about the numerous flaws within the theory, but they have successfully covered them up with the help of a worldwide Darwin Conspiracy that actively suppresses the fact that Darwinism is not scientific but just an atheist doctrine.
You don't know enough about evolution to claim there's a conspiracy.
Even the Catholic church has had to accept evolution (except for humans).
How do you know it's not the anti evolutionists who are the conspirators? There are many creationists in America who believe the world is just 6000 years old and reject all evidence against it just because they want to believe the Bible is literally true.
hazem selawi wrote:
I don't get it, why is that theory linked strongly with atheism, lets assume that Darwin was right , then what does this theory have to do with the existence of a creator ??
Nothing. That's why there are many religious evolutionists.
Of course if all life can evolve without a God interfering then there's less reason to believe he exist.
hazem selawi wrote:
you see similarities in the genomes of all living things and conclude that there is no creator, on the other hand when I see such similarities I instantly conclude that there is only one Originator for this universe who is the Possessor of All Strength, Allah.
The similarities are essential for evolution but not for creation.
A God could have created all sorts of odd variations of life that had no ancestors.

The real evidence against creation are the apparent mistakes such as the vast differences in genome size amongst similar species, Endo-retro viruses, damaged genes such as the one for vitamin C which is broken in out genome etc. Those are hard to explain.

“Evil Atheist :-)”

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#2594 Mar 11, 2014
hazem selawi wrote:
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and when do you exactly do you get to think for yourself ??
it seems like you are easily dragged to anything, what if the scientific community accepted that the earth is flat ??? that of course happened before and people like you were deceived.
There were no scientist when people first though the world was flat.
It was due to the earliest Greek philosophers carefully studying the evidence of their eyes that they were able to know and prove the world was a sphere.
Mahmood

Peterborough, Canada

#2595 Mar 11, 2014
hazem selawi wrote:
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and when do you exactly do you get to think for yourself ??
it seems like you are easily dragged to anything, what if the scientific community accepted that the earth is flat ??? that of course happened before and people like you were deceived.
I am thinking for myself because unlike you, I am a man of evidence and not faith. Craig Venter who decoded the human genome is an exponent of Darwin's evolution. You on the other hand, has been gripped by Islam so bad that you are unwilling to change the way you think. Scientific community is not mad to think that the earth is flat, the creationist are because they think that the earth is 6000 years old.

“Sombrero Galaxy”

Since: Jan 10

I'm An Illegal Alien

#2596 Mar 11, 2014
ChristineM wrote:
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Hazam, my dearest Hazam. You see my avatar? Look to the left and there is a picture of a skull. Do you think I put it there to scare people? Well actually in a round about way, yes. but only to show creatards that they are talking out of there butt and that usually scares the sh|te out of them.
It is a transitional fossil, between the earlier homo sapiens of the Cro Magnon era and you, moderen homo sapiens. It’s 18,000 years old, the bone structure is thicker than present day humans, the cranial volume is around 6% greater, the ridges over the brow are measurably thicker but it is exactly as human as you are. Luckily I was involved in the dig that discovered it and it now has a prominent position at museum of prehistory in les Eyzies.
This is not the only fossil in which change can be measured. Such profound changes can be seen throughout human history of southern France and Northern Spain. As well as in other human groupings across the world.
Or how about the mainland sloth which on one island has evolved to the pygmy three-toed sloth (Bradypus pygmaeus). This evolution can be accurately measured because the island on which they live was attached to the mainland 10,000 years ago. Rising seas isolated them and the study of skeletons shows how they have evolved over that 10,000 years
But you want to ignore time (as all creatards do) and see something measurably changing in real-time then you only need consider the Langkawi bent-toed gecko (Cyrtodactylus macrotuberculatus). This lizard is changing as we speak on a generation by generation basis, from forest dwelling to cave dwelling which includes evolution of sight, pigmentation, digestion and temperature regulation.
This along with several other rapidly evolving lizards are currently being observed, NOW.
You see, I should have paid more attention in my science classes. They love to think that they can make us look stupid by asking that question(why don't we see the process of evolution going on today) I used to ask the same question back when I was a godbot and didn't read even the most basic of info on evolution.
Now reading your posts and the posts of others here, I can learn new things while laughing at the ridiculous responses of our creationist friends.

“Sombrero Galaxy”

Since: Jan 10

I'm An Illegal Alien

#2597 Mar 11, 2014
Igor Trip wrote:
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The Roman's (actually Byzantines) and the Persians had been fighting each other for centuries. It was not that hard a prediction that the Roman's would regain some of their territories.
Most translators translate 30:3 as the nearest land.
http://www.islamawakened.com/quran/30/3/
There was no battle around the dead sea (the lowest point on the earth). It was Jerusalem that was besieged.
Especially since the Romans had defated the Persians several times over and had always regained their posssesions. In addition, that was probably another prediction that was made after the fact and inserted in to make it look like a prophecy.

“Sombrero Galaxy”

Since: Jan 10

I'm An Illegal Alien

#2598 Mar 11, 2014
hazem selawi wrote:
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what kind of rights did women have in both the Persian and the roman empires at that time ??
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Better than in Islam. When Muhammad heard that the Perisn empire came undder the rule of a woman he bashed them.
Prior to Islam, in non-Arab countries, such as in Persia and Byzantine, women had more rights than in Arab countries. In fact in Iran women could become Queens and monarchs. What did Muhammad think of that?

When the Prophet heard the news that the people of the Persia had made the daughter of Khosrau their Queen (ruler), he said,“Never will succeed such a nation as makes a woman their ruler.”[29]

“Sombrero Galaxy”

Since: Jan 10

I'm An Illegal Alien

#2599 Mar 11, 2014
hazem selawi wrote:
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Adaptation is way different than evolution, in my opinion adaptation refers to changes within the same kind of species, as some sort of bacterias evolved into another form of evolved bacteria but apparently they stayed as bacteria, the giraffes ....etc
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My knowledge of science may be rudimentary, but always thought that in order to evolve into another species, one would have to go through a series of adaptations along the way, hence the process of evolution.

“Sombrero Galaxy”

Since: Jan 10

I'm An Illegal Alien

#2600 Mar 11, 2014
Igor Trip wrote:
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Women in ancient Rome.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_Ancient...
“An emancipated woman legally became sui iuris, or her own person, and could own property and dispose of it as she saw fit. If a pater familias died intestate, the law required the equal division of his estate amongst his children, regardless of their age and sex.”
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From your link
"Roman women were not confined to their house as were Athenian women in the Archaic and Classical periods. Wealthy women traveled around the city in a litter carried by slaves.[133] Women gathered in the streets on a daily basis to meet with friends, attend religious rites at temples, or to visit the baths. The wealthiest families had private baths at home, but most people went to bath houses not only to wash but to socialize, as the larger facilities offered a range of services and recreational activities, among which casual sex was not excluded. One of the most vexed questions of Roman social life is whether the sexes bathed together in public. Until the late Republic, evidence suggests that women usually bathed in a separate wing or facility, or that women and men were scheduled at different times. But there is also clear evidence of mixed bathing from the late Republic until the rise of Christian dominance in the later Empire. Some scholars have thought that only lower-class women bathed with men, or those of dubious moral standing such as entertainers or prostitutes, but Clement of Alexandria observed that women of the highest social classes could be seen naked at the baths. Hadrian prohibited mixed bathing, but the ban seems not to have endured. Most likely, customs varied not only by time and place, but by facility, so that women could choose to segregate themselves by gender or not.[134]

For entertainment women could attend debates at the Forum, the public games (ludi), chariot races, and theatrical performances. By the late Republic, they regularly attended dinner parties, though in earlier times the women of a household dined in private together.[135] Conservatives such as Cato the Elder (234–149 BC) considered it improper for women to take a more active role in public life; his complaints indicated that indeed some women did voice their opinions in the public sphere.[136]

Though the practice was discouraged, Roman generals would sometimes take their wives with them on military campaigns. Caligula's mother Agrippina the Elder often accompanied her husband Germanicus on his campaigns in northern Germania, and the emperor Claudius was born in Gaul for this reason. Wealthy women might tour the empire, often participating or viewing religious ceremonies and sites around the empire.[137] Rich women traveled to the countryside during the summer when Rome became too hot"

In other words, they enjoyed rights that Muslim women never had, like not having to deal with two or three wives, being forced to wear a mask over their faces in public and they had the right to hang out with men not related to them.
The Romans saw it as an honor to introduce their wives to their friends whereas in the Muslim world, the woman is supposed to veil herself and run away to the harem when male guests appear.

“Sombrero Galaxy”

Since: Jan 10

I'm An Illegal Alien

#2601 Mar 11, 2014
hazem selawi wrote:
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if you read the history of Byzantium or Roman empire you'll realize that it was theoretically impossible at that time for them to defeat Persians (specially in a very short period of time )but they did after 7 years of the loss, and the Quran stated that they (the Romans) will be victorious within three to nine years, used the word (beda'e) beda'e in Arabic refers to numbers from 3 to 9.
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So much for a prphecy, he couldn't even correctly guess what year that victory would take place.
Mahmood

Peterborough, Canada

#2602 Mar 11, 2014
hazem selawi wrote:
<quoted text>
as you like professor Einstein.
Hi Brother Hazem,

I am not sure if I have asked this question before. How do you reconcile the contradiction between 2:62 & 4:150-151. Please read these verses and respond - I am waiting to hear from you.
Thinking

Banbury, UK

#2603 Mar 11, 2014
I've had a lot of fun times in Blackpool. But for some it is an acquired taste. I remember being called a poof for asking for rice with a 4am curry near the North Pier. We settled on half chips half rice.
ChristineM wrote:
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I’m not sure if it’s still there, not been for a couple of years and the way things have been going, the street may now be a run down and deserted wasteland of to let signs.
Anyway if it is still there then it’s the best kebab shop ever, Chris’s in north Blackpool. Took the kids through the illuminations and stopped,(as you do) they wanted fish and chips. They were quite disappointed with their haul but from a little further up the road Paul and I had kebabs. Oh wow, I would recommend it to anyone.
Heading north through the lights, when they end turn tight at the traffic lights, Bispham station I think it’s called. There are long rows of shops on both sides of the road. About 50 yards up on the right is a small and typically dingy looking kebab shop. A genuine Cypriot kebab shop that’s well worth a try if you ever fancy an a little outing up north.

Since: Oct 13

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#2604 Mar 11, 2014
Mahmood wrote:
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Hi Brother Hazem,
I am not sure if I have asked this question before. How do you reconcile the contradiction between 2:62 & 4:150-151. Please read these verses and respond - I am waiting to hear from you.
we discussed those verses for a very long time, but you chose to interpret the Quran the way you like it.

for the million time considering your very light knowledge in Quran, you are not in a position to say Quran contradicts.

Since: Oct 13

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#2605 Mar 11, 2014
emperorjohn wrote:
<quoted text> My knowledge of science may be rudimentary, but always thought that in order to evolve into another species, one would have to go through a series of adaptations along the way, hence the process of evolution.
there is a big difference between Adaptation and Darwinian evolution, Darwin's theory suggests that dinus could evolve into birds and apes into humans.

you are saying that your knowledge of science may be rudimentary, so you don't have any other choice but to have faith in what others have told you ....!!!

my friend you have faith in Darwinian evolution, so you are not in a position to attack religions, if you know what I mean ...!!!
Thinking

Banbury, UK

#2606 Mar 12, 2014
But why did mohammed f**k a little girl? And should those that follow mohammed be trusted near children?
hazem selawi wrote:
<quoted text>
we discussed those verses for a very long time, but you chose to interpret the Quran the way you like it.
for the million time considering your very light knowledge in Quran, you are not in a position to say Quran contradicts.
Thinking

Banbury, UK

#2607 Mar 12, 2014
So Hinduism is perfect.
hazem selawi wrote:
<quoted text>
there is a big difference between Adaptation and Darwinian evolution, Darwin's theory suggests that dinus could evolve into birds and apes into humans.
you are saying that your knowledge of science may be rudimentary, so you don't have any other choice but to have faith in what others have told you ....!!!
my friend you have faith in Darwinian evolution, so you are not in a position to attack religions, if you know what I mean ...!!!

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#2608 Mar 12, 2014
emperorjohn wrote:
<quoted text>
You see, I should have paid more attention in my science classes. They love to think that they can make us look stupid by asking that question(why don't we see the process of evolution going on today) I used to ask the same question back when I was a godbot and didn't read even the most basic of info on evolution.
Now reading your posts and the posts of others here, I can learn new things while laughing at the ridiculous responses of our creationist friends.
Thank you, much appreciated.

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#2609 Mar 12, 2014
Thinking wrote:
I've had a lot of fun times in Blackpool. But for some it is an acquired taste. I remember being called a poof for asking for rice with a 4am curry near the North Pier. We settled on half chips half rice.
<quoted text>
It is an acquired taste for sure. I live about 30 minutes away and have been only a handful of times in my life. But curry near north pier does not bare thinking about

Curry and chips is a distinctly northern dining experience. Close to the office there are 5 or 6 cafes/vans that cater for the workers. They all serve curry (usually chicken), most serve chilli but only one serves rice (to special order).

The chip shops here have the choice of conventional gravy or curry sauce (usually with currents in it) which to me has nothing that can even relate it to curry. The only difference I see between the gravy and the curry is that one is brown (sometimes with the odd bit of onion floating in it as well as the lumps of thick skin off the top) and the other is yellow (sometimes with the odd bit of current floating in it as well as the thick skin off the top)

My sons latest fad is chip shop fish, chips and mushy peas with curry sauce on top – He’s 7 and his taste buds have yet to develop but I sometimes despair, he made me buy a packet of bisto chip shop curry sauce a few weeks ago and he has been known to have it poured over poached egg.

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#2610 Mar 12, 2014
hazem selawi wrote:
<quoted text>
there is a big difference between Adaptation and Darwinian evolution, Darwin's theory suggests that dinus could evolve into birds and apes into humans.
you are saying that your knowledge of science may be rudimentary, so you don't have any other choice but to have faith in what others have told you ....!!!
my friend you have faith in Darwinian evolution, so you are not in a position to attack religions, if you know what I mean ...!!!
No there isn’t, there is no difference, it’s the same thing. And why do you keep specifying Darwinian evolution? It was a sound basis to start over 150 years ago but things have progressed in that 150 years in just the same way as things have progressed since your god book was written.

And yes there is evidence that some dinosaurs have evolved into birds and yes there is evidence that humans have evolved from an ape like creature. Honey even you favourite author has made this claim
Thinking

Banbury, UK

#2611 Mar 12, 2014
It's difficult to get gravy down here. When I was a student, I was with a girl from Ashton-upon-Mersey and the gravy was good(!). However the curry sauce is currant free.

I think the dodgiest thing I ate aged seven would be salt and vinegar crisps in a Marmite sandwich. WTFuck.
ChristineM wrote:
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It is an acquired taste for sure. I live about 30 minutes away and have been only a handful of times in my life. But curry near north pier does not bare thinking about
Curry and chips is a distinctly northern dining experience. Close to the office there are 5 or 6 cafes/vans that cater for the workers. They all serve curry (usually chicken), most serve chilli but only one serves rice (to special order).
The chip shops here have the choice of conventional gravy or curry sauce (usually with currents in it) which to me has nothing that can even relate it to curry. The only difference I see between the gravy and the curry is that one is brown (sometimes with the odd bit of onion floating in it as well as the lumps of thick skin off the top) and the other is yellow (sometimes with the odd bit of current floating in it as well as the thick skin off the top)
My sons latest fad is chip shop fish, chips and mushy peas with curry sauce on top – He’s 7 and his taste buds have yet to develop but I sometimes despair, he made me buy a packet of bisto chip shop curry sauce a few weeks ago and he has been known to have it poured over poached egg.

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