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Richard Dawkins - God is evil, pedophilesa not so bad

There are 3147 comments on the Examiner.com story from Sep 14, 2013, titled Richard Dawkins - God is evil, pedophilesa not so bad. In it, Examiner.com reports that:

"The God of the Qur'an is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.

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#2218 Feb 6, 2014
Mahmood wrote:
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Bukhari & Muslim were 9th century scholars and they were the ones who compiled the hadiths. How of those hadiths they compiled were fabricated? No one knows for sure. Oral tradition is not history despite the fact they could contain elements of truth in them.
that is a common misunderstanding, Hadiths were known and said by people since the death of Mohammed , But Bukhari and Muslim may be the first scholars who invented what is called Al Jarh wa Al tadil and put some standards and rules to give different grades to Hadiths as we discussed before the Sahih (sound), Good (hasan) and Weak.

So hadiths were there dafinetly but with no grades.

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#2219 Feb 6, 2014
Thinking wrote:
Never heard of her. When I said 100+ years, I should have said up to 200 years and with an agreed upon birth date, not over a thousand years ago way back into made up history!
So where is your Ada Lovelace, your Jocelyn Bell, your Laura Mersini Houghton?
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our women invented the world's first academic degree-granting institution of higher education While you guys were still trying to know if women are human beings or evil spirits.

Read your history and meanwhile read about Some muslim women significant achievements
such as: Rufayda al-Aslamiyyah, Al-Shifa bint Abduallah,Nusayba bint Harith al Ansari
sutaita al mahamli, Labana of Cordoba and Zubayda bint abu ja'far al mansur.
Mahmood

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#2220 Feb 6, 2014
hazem selawi wrote:
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that is a common misunderstanding, Hadiths were known and said by people since the death of Mohammed , But Bukhari and Muslim may be the first scholars who invented what is called Al Jarh wa Al tadil and put some standards and rules to give different grades to Hadiths as we discussed before the Sahih (sound), Good (hasan) and Weak.
So hadiths were there dafinetly but with no grades.
When a lie goes unchallenged for over a millennium, it unfortunately attains the legitimacy of gospel truth. Muslims are taught that Prophet Mohammad brought the Koran as well as his sayings aka Hadiths and actions aka Sunnah. Bukahri died in 870, Muslim in 875, Abu Dawood in 888. Out of the 600,000 collected by Bukhari, he recorded only 7000 as being authentic. The hadiths were not written down during Mohammad's liftime. You have no corroborating evidence to prove it. From what I have read, there was a ban on writing hadiths by Mohammad himself and upheld for nearly a hundered years after. Bukhari relied on upon the self-invented art of "transmission" ie who the hadith is coming from. For all we know that the hadith which appears authentic to you could be hearsay.

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#2223 Feb 7, 2014
hazem selawi wrote:
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I think we should let the islamic history Answer all of your questions.
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hahaha the men don't even get to vote either, All the Arabs are living under a forced regime, we don't get to vote, In Jordan for instance King Abdullah chooses the prime minister and the prime minister in his turn chooses a bunch of retarded Ministers and then King Abdullah again has the right to whether accept those ministers or not, we only get to vote for what is called the House of Representatives as you may vote for someone you think he/she may represent you , even if those Silly representatives agreed on something and wanted to make a new Rule or something; they should gather with the members of Jordanian Senate, the number of the members of Jordanian senate are almost as half of the the members of the House of representatives,.. Lol..!!! and the members of the Jordanian Senate are also chosen by his Majesty King Abdullah, or in short words King Abduallah Rules the whole damn thing.
the situation in U.A.E is even worse, and the Regime of Saudi Arabia...!! I don't know what to say , the words cannot describe the Corrupt and Fraudulent Regime of Al -Saud.
trust me George Bush may love Islam more than any leader of any Islamic government and/or regime.
So Don't waste your time looking For Islam in nowadays false Islamic ruling.
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Islamic teachings state that Females get the half of what the male gets in specific cases and in other cases they get more, that's because females are not responsible to pay anything for the family (brothers, sisters, parents and other relatives) she can hold responsibility if she wanted to but certainly not responsible in front of Allah, and will be rewarded by Allah for every piney she spends.
there is no such a thing as Honor killings in Islam, Honor killings ..!!
Seriously ??!!
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We hardly know anything about Taliban, I don't think males in there get education either, they've been facing a war after another.
Yes, it did thanks, that’s why I use the reasoning I do and why you are either incapable of seeing the fact or deliberately ignoring the facts.

Ahh so that makes it all OK then. You don’t get a vote either and this is the regime you love…
Whatever the reason your previous statement
“So women were trying to get Rights in 1870 while Muslim women were able to vote, own a property, have the right of inheritage, get to choose their husbands and not only have the right to get education but encouraged to since the year of 610.”
Was total BS. Thank you for admitting your error.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_firs...

As to dubya who give a toss what some retarded ex cheer leader with the fetish to outdo his father thinks?

Ooops wrong thing to say, you fooking sick minded pratt, do not ever accuse me of not being fully responsible for my actions or my dues. The chances are that I am responsible for finances that could buy and sell you sorry a$$ life. This is the attitude I frigging hate about Islam and you are totally incapable of seeing the misogyny in your fooking foul mouth and ignorant mind. Here let me put it to you this way, without females you would not be here and your father would be a wanker or butt fooking goats to get his pleasure.

Yes seriously, you may deny honour killings all you want in the face of your god but they exist and are proven to exist among muslim families and tribes so you would be lying to your god

Thank you for ignoring the rest of my paragraph, but never mind. So lets forget the rather less than one percent of taliban controlled women, what about the other 44% of Islamic women who are illiterate?

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#2224 Feb 7, 2014
hazem selawi wrote:
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our women invented the world's first academic degree-granting institution of higher education While you guys were still trying to know if women are human beings or evil spirits.
Read your history and meanwhile read about Some muslim women significant achievements
such as: Rufayda al-Aslamiyyah, Al-Shifa bint Abduallah,Nusayba bint Harith al Ansari
sutaita al mahamli, Labana of Cordoba and Zubayda bint abu ja'far al mansur.
You seem to be ignoring pre Islamic history for some reason

History does not begin when your violent pervert of a prophet wrote your god book

You want to talk about women in history talk about Hortensia, Hatshepsut, Hapatia (OK they don’t all begin with the letter H), Boudica, Lucretia, Sappho, Nefertiti, Nitocris, Zenobia. All lived long before your (and other abrahamic religions) took it into there heads to subdue women

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#2225 Feb 7, 2014
Thinking wrote:
haram salami thinks islam landed a mosque on the Moon in 800s.
Of course, it is the kufar's fault islam has invented so little since...
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He thinks a lot of things, he also seem to think History started when big moh wrote a book

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#2227 Feb 7, 2014
Thinking wrote:
Ah yes... the famously illiterate book writer.
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That’s the guy, you’ve heard of him…

So the whole quran thing is… what… hearsay, over overheard snippets, make believe, mythology, old wives tails and guesswork?

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#2229 Feb 7, 2014
Thinking wrote:
Not at all. Because although mohammed couldn't write he could remember whole books.
Talking of BS, did you ever see these "ronery" claims? Doesn't look very Atheist to me...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asi...
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A new star is a dead giveaway, no atheist deserves a new star

Magicing the weather, never been seen since Noah’s time

And a true know it all, of course he must be a god to rival El

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#2230 Feb 7, 2014
Thinking wrote:
"bint" is a hilarious word, one of my wife's favourites.
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you can tell your wife that Bint in Arabic means a girl :),
it Also depends on the location of the word if we said "Mary" Bint "Thinking" it would mean Mary is the "Daughter" of thinking , but if used alone it means a girl , and the plural of bint is Banat (or girls).

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#2231 Feb 7, 2014
Mahmood wrote:
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When a lie goes unchallenged for over a millennium, it unfortunately attains the legitimacy of gospel truth. Muslims are taught that Prophet Mohammad brought the Koran as well as his sayings aka Hadiths and actions aka Sunnah. Bukahri died in 870, Muslim in 875, Abu Dawood in 888. Out of the 600,000 collected by Bukhari, he recorded only 7000 as being authentic. The hadiths were not written down during Mohammad's liftime. You have no corroborating evidence to prove it. From what I have read, there was a ban on writing hadiths by Mohammad himself and upheld for nearly a hundered years after. Bukhari relied on upon the self-invented art of "transmission" ie who the hadith is coming from. For all we know that the hadith which appears authentic to you could be hearsay.
do you actually read what I post or just give me the same answer whatever I say ??
How could Bukhari and muslim gather Hadiths with no base to start from ??

if they gathered 600,000 Hadith and only 7000 turned out to be Authentic then that proves nothing but Bukhari's accuracy and good work.
Mahmood

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#2232 Feb 7, 2014
hazem selawi wrote:
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do you actually read what I post or just give me the same answer whatever I say ??
How could Bukhari and muslim gather Hadiths with no base to start from ??
if they gathered 600,000 Hadith and only 7000 turned out to be Authentic then that proves nothing but Bukhari's accuracy and good work.
You believe Bukhari to be accurate, but that does not mean it is. The question to ask is whether the chain of transmission is accurately recorded. There are hadiths that contradict each other. Hadiths are based on hearsay evidence. There is no way to prove whether something recorded in a hadith acutally happened.

I completely understand what you have written. You can't even prove that the Koran we have today is verbatim the same Koran given to us by Mohammad. Your argument that people wrote hadiths during Mohammad's lifetime is baseless & devoid of evidence. Many hadiths are attributed to Abu Hurrayrah which by itself sounds suspecious. Hadiths surfaced more than two centuries after Mohammad's death which means that there was a long time gap between the Koran and the hadiths. This long time gap raises questions of reliability for the hadith that can never be resolved.

You need to stop fabricating in order to defend the hadiths. Even Muslim scholars point out to the fact that there were no written records of Mohammad's saying and deeds during the first century after his death, and if you think there is, then bring your evidence. Bukhari and Muslim based their hadiths on oral transmissions from generation to generation through isnads numbering 7 to even 30 in the chain.,,,,,,how can you even trust such information? It appears that storytelling was lucrative profession back during 9th century.

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#2233 Feb 7, 2014
Mahmood wrote:
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You believe Bukhari to be accurate, but that does not mean it is. The question to ask is whether the chain of transmission is accurately recorded. There are hadiths that contradict each other. Hadiths are based on hearsay evidence. There is no way to prove whether something recorded in a hadith acutally happened.
I completely understand what you have written. You can't even prove that the Koran we have today is verbatim the same Koran given to us by Mohammad. Your argument that people wrote hadiths during Mohammad's lifetime is baseless & devoid of evidence. Many hadiths are attributed to Abu Hurrayrah which by itself sounds suspecious. Hadiths surfaced more than two centuries after Mohammad's death which means that there was a long time gap between the Koran and the hadiths. This long time gap raises questions of reliability for the hadith that can never be resolved.
You need to stop fabricating in order to defend the hadiths. Even Muslim scholars point out to the fact that there were no written records of Mohammad's saying and deeds during the first century after his death, and if you think there is, then bring your evidence. Bukhari and Muslim based their hadiths on oral transmissions from generation to generation through isnads numbering 7 to even 30 in the chain.,,,,,,how can you even trust such information? It appears that storytelling was lucrative profession back during 9th century.
As I told you Mohammed (peace be upon him) didn't ban all his companions to write Hadiths, some did take the permission to write down hadiths, other hadiths were memorized by the his companions and they transferred what they memorized to others, and caliph Umar bin Abd Al aziz did gather most of the hadiths , Bukhari and Muslim among with others took care of the revision and the categorization of Hadiths.

Hadiths are still opened up for categorization,even you can become specialized in the science of Hadith and after many years of education you may be able to take up a Hadith from weak to Sahih or from Sahih to weak or whatever.

now you don't have the very minimum requirements to make a judgment about some Hadiths' accuracy, Some Muslims traveled for thousands of miles back then to make sure if someone did narrate a hadith or not.

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#2234 Feb 7, 2014
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He thinks a lot of things, he also seem to think History started when big moh wrote a book
we are discussing Islamic issues, why would I mention Arabs before Islam ..??!
besides I told you that some Arabs used to bury their baby daughters Alive for honor before Islam, and When Mohammed who you are trying to disrespect him by calling him moh gave women rights such as the right to get education, the right of inheritance , the right to own a property ...etc and that happened 1430 year ago.

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#2235 Feb 7, 2014
ChristineM wrote:
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Ahh so that makes it all OK then. You don’t get a vote either and this is the regime you love…
That is absolutely the most Regime I hate.
ChristineM wrote:
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Whatever the reason your previous statement
“So women were trying to get Rights in 1870 while Muslim women were able to vote, own a property, have the right of inheritage, get to choose their husbands and not only have the right to get education but encouraged to since the year of 610.”
Was total BS. Thank you for admitting your error.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_firs...
we are supposed to be discussing what Islam and sharia law offers not some retarded false leaders, the Islamic Ummah has declined in every aspect of life after we stopped applying Sharia Law.

ChristineM wrote:
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As to dubya who give a toss what some retarded ex cheer leader with the fetish to outdo his father thinks?
I dont get your point.
ChristineM wrote:
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you fooking sick minded pratt, do not ever accuse me of not being fully responsible for my actions or my dues. The chances are that I am responsible for finances that could buy and sell you sorry a$$ life. This is the attitude I frigging hate about Islam and you are totally incapable of seeing the misogyny in your fooking foul mouth and ignorant mind. Here let me put it to you this way, without females you would not be here and your father would be a wanker or butt fooking goats to get his pleasure.
I am not sure if you are the same person who claimed that morality is the most important thing , you insulted me, my father and apparently my mother and keep insulting my prophet and the religion of 1.6 billion people...!!!

but that's okay I know you didn't mean to, Anyways I never said that you or any female are not fully responsible for your actions and/or duties, Females and males are fully responsible of their actions in front of Allah and will be questioned equally with no doubt.

And with out a little doubt its a great thing that you are the one who takes care of your family or at least help, its actually outstanding from an Islamic point of view, and I am sure that you are doing your job perfectly, and as I told you when women choose to do that they will be rewarded for every piney they spend, but there are different cases because some men nowadays take advantage of their wives and/or daughters and force them to bring money and take it against their will, So its a must that women choose to by their free will; otherwise it will be completely prohibited for men to do so and fathers and/or husbands will be questioned by Allah for doing so, and if the female had money and chose not to spend anything on her family she has the full right to do that.
ChristineM wrote:
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Yes seriously, you may deny honour killings all you want in the face of your god but they exist and are proven to exist among muslim families and tribes so you would be lying to your god
As I told you honor killings with no doubt has nothing to do with Islam, maybe its a tribal or cultural thing which is completely prohibited in Islam and considered as a great sin.
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Thank you for ignoring the rest of my paragraph, but never mind. So lets forget the rather less than one percent of taliban controlled women, what about the other 44% of Islamic women who are illiterate?
if that percentage is accurate I can assure you that Islam is completely innocent from such behaviors and certainly doesn't accept it, forget about people behaviors and try to understand what Islam offers instead, Islam is a way and a complete system of life; if we as Arabs failed
to apply it then its our fault not Islam's, hence Islam "is a list of does and don'ts", a list of teachings and rules extracted from Quran and Sunnah.

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#2236 Feb 8, 2014
hazem selawi wrote:
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we are discussing Islamic issues, why would I mention Arabs before Islam ..??!
besides I told you that some Arabs used to bury their baby daughters Alive for honor before Islam, and When Mohammed who you are trying to disrespect him by calling him moh gave women rights such as the right to get education, the right of inheritance , the right to own a property ...etc and that happened 1430 year ago.
And the right to get a thunped in the tits for only half the fun

honey when your faith disrespects women then please be man enough to be responsible for the results of that disrespect

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#2237 Feb 9, 2014
hazem selawi wrote:
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That is absolutely the most Regime I hate.
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we are supposed to be discussing what Islam and sharia law offers not some retarded false leaders, the Islamic Ummah has declined in every aspect of life after we stopped applying Sharia Law.
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I dont get your point.
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I am not sure if you are the same person who claimed that morality is the most important thing , you insulted me, my father and apparently my mother and keep insulting my prophet and the religion of 1.6 billion people...!!!
but that's okay I know you didn't mean to, Anyways I never said that you or any female are not fully responsible for your actions and/or duties, Females and males are fully responsible of their actions in front of Allah and will be questioned equally with no doubt.
And with out a little doubt its a great thing that you are the one who takes care of your family or at least help,….
Good for you, so vote them out. Oh wait a moment, you say you can’t, after saying you can – go figure…

Nope,‘you’ are discussing Islam, other people are having what is called a discussion on a discussion thread. Do you savvy?

You said Islamic women can vote – could vote and I showed you to be wrong.

No you wouldn’t get my point., you were the one who brought Bush into the conversation and yet it seems you are clueless about him.

Oh honey, yes I do mean to insult but only after you insulted me, several times, you don’t like the results of your insults then you have the option to butt out. You will be interested to know that I usually only give once chance, with you however the discussion has been quite interesting so although I have on several occasions highlighted your insults (and you have usually ignored those points) I have given considerable leeway.

Females and males are fully responsible of their actions but females get only half the reward?

There you go again,‘at least help’, you pig ignorant moron, you really have no idea of you indoctrinated misogamy do you?

Yes, at last, thank you, funny how you usually end up agreeing with me eventually. Some men take advantage, not always Islamic men, religion generally has little to do with it however, it’s more to do with egotistical (correct spelling) mindsets. However such behaviour is excused in your god book and so they commit their mental/physical violence in gods name and are proud of it. And of course you will find that families with abusive members tend to be more religious than not, this stems from the interpretation of the way(s) Eve was made and of course blaming her as the source of evil.

Against such men their wives/daughters have no free will, this is what I have been saying all along and up to now you have always denied or excused.

As I told you honour killing does exist in Islam, it is most common among Muslims, if your faith prohibits it then WTF does it happen so often? Because some Muslims interpret the god books in the way they do, that’s why. It is not the perfect book, as you appear to think, because that’s the way you interpret it, as I have also said all along, it is open to interpretation.

The UN gives a figure of 55% literacy among Muslim women, therefore 45% are illiterate, the extra 1% accounted for your excuse of the Taliban. Whether Islam accepts the figure or not is irrelevant, the figure exists.

Wrong, Islam is not a complete system, if it were a complete system then Shiite and Sunni would not be killing each other. There would not be so much dissatisfaction among Islamic women. There would be no need for terrorism because if it were a complete system then every one would want their bit.
Mahmood

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#2238 Feb 9, 2014
hazem selawi wrote:
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As I told you Mohammed (peace be upon him) didn't ban all his companions to write Hadiths, some did take the permission to write down hadiths, other hadiths were memorized by the his companions and they transferred what they memorized to others, and caliph Umar bin Abd Al aziz did gather most of the hadiths , Bukhari and Muslim among with others took care of the revision and the categorization of Hadiths.
Hadiths are still opened up for categorization,even you can become specialized in the science of Hadith and after many years of education you may be able to take up a Hadith from weak to Sahih or from Sahih to weak or whatever.
now you don't have the very minimum requirements to make a judgment about some Hadiths' accuracy, Some Muslims traveled for thousands of miles back then to make sure if someone did narrate a hadith or not.
Your claim that Mohammad allowed some of his companions to write down hadiths is a fabrication and it examplifies dishonety. What is the source of such information? You keep referring to hadiths as a science knowing full well that it is not. To understand the background on the development of hadith literature, one must sift the history of Islam from 250 years after the lifetime of Mohammad. During the first century of Mohd's era, none of the hadiths were written down which makes matters worse. Stories circulated by word of mouth & by the time it got to the 12th individual, it was probably more than tainted.

The so called science of isnad which is the touchstone of hadiths authenticity has tremendous flaws in it. How can you give credence to something that was not written down and yet 250 years later, Bukhari supposedly managed to trace back its source by establishing all the links in a chain which cannot possibly have been reconstructed. How was Bukhari able to do this without written records bridging a gap of about eight generations or more? When I narrate an incident to someone, that person will hear it and repeat it to someone else. He probably will not ask where I got the information from. And by the time it gets to the fifth person, the incident gets adultrated.

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#2239 Feb 9, 2014
Mahmood wrote:
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Your claim that Mohammad allowed some of his companions to write down hadiths is a fabrication and it examplifies dishonety. What is the source of such information? You keep referring to hadiths as a science knowing full well that it is not. To understand the background on the development of hadith literature, one must sift the history of Islam from 250 years after the lifetime of Mohammad. During the first century of Mohd's era, none of the hadiths were written down which makes matters worse. Stories circulated by word of mouth & by the time it got to the 12th individual, it was probably more than tainted.
The so called science of isnad which is the touchstone of hadiths authenticity has tremendous flaws in it. How can you give credence to something that was not written down and yet 250 years later, Bukhari supposedly managed to trace back its source by establishing all the links in a chain which cannot possibly have been reconstructed. How was Bukhari able to do this without written records bridging a gap of about eight generations or more? When I narrate an incident to someone, that person will hear it and repeat it to someone else. He probably will not ask where I got the information from. And by the time it gets to the fifth person, the incident gets adultrated.
Sounds like the old wartime story of "send reinforcements we are going to advance" passing several messengers to become "send three and four pence we are going to a dance" by the time it got to headquarters

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#2240 Feb 9, 2014
ChristineM wrote:
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Good for you, so vote them out. Oh wait a moment, you say you can’t, after saying you can – go figure…
they used to teach us in elementary school that our country Jordan is considered to be a semi democratic country, I think the term semi-democratic means by away or another dictatorship...!!
ChristineM wrote:
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Nope,‘you’ are discussing Islam, other people are having what is called a discussion on a discussion thread. Do you savvy?
Do people still use this word "Savvy" ?
I am a savvier indeed.
ChristineM wrote:
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You said Islamic women can vote – could vote and I showed you to be wrong.
When I mentioned the right of voting I was referring to Muslim women participating in politics, and since the beginning of the message of Islam Mohammed (Peace BUH) consulted women in everything not only his wives but also other women as all the Muslims used to gather in the mosque to discuss different matters, so did his companions and all the caliphs after him, when you read Mohammed's biography or the Islamic history you'll notice that women participated not even in politics but in everything in the community.

I indeed wasn't discussing the right of voting in nowadays Islamic territories, because with no doubt Muslims are oppressed by dictators and corrupted governments, nearly all the 47 Islamic countries aren't applying sharia Law, so your comparison is invalid for bringing examples of countries which are not applying sharia Law in the first place, thus the only thing we can do is to judge Islamic teachings and sharia laws theoretically away from Muslims' actions and/or Islamic countries applying man made laws.
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No you wouldn’t get my point., you were the one who brought Bush into the conversation and yet it seems you are clueless about him.
The only thing I know about him is that he is a war criminal, and that is the only thing I need to know.

ChristineM wrote:
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you insulted me, several times, you don’t like the results o. You will be interested to know that I usually only give once chance, with you however the discussion has been quite interesting so although I have on several occasions highlighted your insults (and you have usually ignored those points) I have given considerable leeway.
Females and males are fully responsible of their actions but females get only half the reward?
There you go again,‘at least help’, you pig ignorant moron, you really have no idea of you indoctrinated misogamy do you?
If you meant "by half of the reward" the right of inheritance then I am afraid the right of inheritance should never be considered as a reward otherwise everybody would wait for a relative to die to get a reward like son would wait his father or mother to die in order to get a reward ..!!!
that would be a bit harsh and completely inconsiderate, anyways its not always the male gets as twice as the female ; there are different cases and circumstances to be taken in consideration.
if you meant by "half of the reward" from Allah for good deeds then its non sense because I remember that I told you Women would take more rewards for paying money or taking care of her family as long as she did that by her complete free will.

I don't know why you got insulted when I posted "its a great thing that you are the one who takes care of your family or at least help" , I had to add "at least help" if I only said its a great thing that you are the one who takes care of your family ; it would appear like I excluded your husband from the whole image, and if I excluded your husband it would be like I disrespected him in away or another and spoke behind his back at the same time, I think the good intention behind the word "at least help" is obvious, I apparently never intended to reduce the important role your are doing in taking care of your family.

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#2241 Feb 9, 2014
ChristineM wrote:
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Yes, at last, thank you, funny how you usually end up agreeing with me eventually. Some men take advantage, not always Islamic men, religion generally has little to do with it however, it’s more to do with egotistical (correct spelling) mindsets. However such behaviour is excused in your god book and so they commit their mental/physical violence in gods name and are proud of it. And of course you will find that families with abusive members tend to be more religious than not, this stems from the interpretation of the way(s) Eve was made and of course blaming her as the source of evil.
of course I did agree with you on that specific part, and apparently Islam does agree with you as well, there are numerous verses in Quran warns men and husbands from taking women's money if they didn't want to give any, and confirms that such an action is completely prohibited and doesn't please Allah, and may take the man who does so to the same grade of the Aggressors and Allah certainly doesn't like aggressors.

for Eve's issue, Islam places equal blame on both Adam and Eve for their mistake, Nowhere in the Quran can one find even the slightest hint that Eve tempted Adam to eat from the tree or even that she had eaten before him, Islam is actually the only religion which doesn't blame Eve.

"O Adam! Dwell with your wife in the Garden and enjoy as you wish but approach not this tree or you run into harm and transgression. Then Satan whispered to them in order to reveal to them their shame that was hidden from them and he said:'Your Lord only forbade you this tree lest you become angels or such beings as live forever."

"And he swore to them both that he was their sincere adviser. So by deceit he brought them to their fall: when they tasted the tree their shame became manifest to them and they began to sew together the leaves of the Garden over their bodies."
ChristineM wrote:
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Against such men their wives/daughters have no free will, this is what I have been saying all along and up to now you have always denied or excused.
that is absolutely grievous, and some statistics shows that every 2.5 seconds a sexual assault occurs in America, that is grievous too, and Islam has nothing to do with these two outrageous behaviors.
ChristineM wrote:
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As I told you honour killing does exist in Islam, it is most common among Muslims, if your faith prohibits it then WTF does it happen so often? Because some Muslims interpret the god books in the way they do, that’s why. It is not the perfect book, as you appear to think, because that’s the way you interpret it, as I have also said all along, it is open to interpretation.
Check my previous response.
ChristineM wrote:
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Wrong, Islam is not a complete system, if it were a complete system then Shiite and Sunni would not be killing each other. There would not be so much dissatisfaction among Islamic women. There would be no need for terrorism because if it were a complete system then every one would want their bit.
It is a complete system as sharia law offers solutions for every aspect of life including; social life, economical system, political system, educational system and a judicial system.

Under sharia law every citizen (Muslims and non Muslims) should get Food, Shelter, water and gas free of charge, and that's the way Muslims have been living under Cilapha for over a millennium, not to mention that a very big part of Europe was ruled by Muslims Like Spain , Norway and other countries, until your beloved great Britain tore down the Ottomon empire through Arabs to take our resources and ended the Islamic Cilapha, but at the end its a matter of time and the Flag of Islam will fly all over Europe ,America, the entire west and the whole world.

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