20+ Questions for Theists

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Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#148 Apr 23, 2013
Andre wrote:
<quoted text>You make the assumption that I am Arminian? Nope! Consider what the Bible tells us about sin - not one without sin (Read the Ten Commandments and you will realise this.
Take even your own "standards" of right and wrong (such as lying, it seems). Have you ever lied? If you are honest, you will agree that you have, and on more than one occasion. So you are "guilty".
What does the law of the land say? That you must receive punishment - whether it a fine or sentenced to be incarcerated. That is "fair" we all agree (apart from the chap's lawyers of course). God is fair - He will punish as well. That is fairly plain in Scripture.
Now seeing that we all sin and thus guilty, we all deserve what God has revealed - hell. And as the Bible says, we are dead in our trespasses and sins and unable to "choose" God. This is where grace comes in. Undeserving of God's mercy He sent his Son, to die for our sins so we can be freed from the law and reign of sin.
Jesus took our sins upon himself and made us free, clothed with the righteousness of Christ, and not our own merit or clever decision, purely by grace.
Now considering this, you want free will to choose against God - which you will do due to our fallen nature. As the Bible clearly states
" Rom 3:9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
Rom 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
It is a bit long- winded, but I think context is in most cases a good thing.
Wrong! Sin is self inflicted nonsense. One must first agree to be held to a set of rules that pertain to some deity, religion, or ism. And after agreeing to be bound by them, that person must break, one or more of those same rules.

There are thousands upon thousands of gods, many much older than the buybull god-myth, and many of those gods claim to have created you. By not following their rules, their followers claim that you are sinning against their gods, and some even say that you must die for those sins.

Your god's book, has some 600 comandments (not 10) that you are required to follow. By not following them you mark yourself for death, if even one of the your god's religitards choose to follow them all.

Now, imagine that you are to be punished by some several thousand gods whom you are sinning against, by not following thier commandments.

Would you follow a god's rules who would have you thrown into a volcano, or maybe the rules of one who required you to rob and rape. Could you stone someone for your god, or would you eat your children when the god told you to?

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#149 Apr 23, 2013
CunningLinguist wrote:
<quoted text>
tea?
Hmm I'm beginning to worry about you...
I THINK THAT I SHALL NEVER HEAR
A POEM AS LOVELY AS BEER
THE BREW JOE'S BAR HAS ON TAP
wWTH A GOLDEN BASE AND SNOWY CAP
THE MELLOW STUFF I DRINK ALL DAY
UNTIL MY MEMORY MELTS AWAY
POEMS ARE WRITTEN BY FOLLS I FEAR
BUT ONLY (FILL IN FAVORITE BREWSKI) CAN MAKE A BEER
“Fell in love with a beautiful blonde once. Drove me to drink. And I never had the decency to thank her.”
&#8213; W.C. Fields
“There's no such thing as a tough child - if you parboil them first for seven hours, they always come out tender.”
&#8213; W.C. Fields
<grin>

Whereas I do respect the lofty ideals of making small-brew beer?

I have little use for the horse-p*ss that is American "beer".

:)

As for me, personally? Having had more than one ancestor who fell subject to alcoholism? I have concluded it's best not to dally with it, so no longer drink. I used to have a glass now and again, but no more-- as I age, I begin to realize that the human body is truly a travesty of "design" and has poor longevity.

But I do drink a variety if teas-- I have also given up the fizzy stuff, as that carbonic acid (from the CO2) is too much these days.

I find I do not miss the High Fructose whatsit, either...

:D

I do put me a scant 1/4 teaspoon of real cane sugar in my hot teas, but I like my cold teas strictly plain.

And both my liver and my spleen have blessed me for it--not to mention my stomach.

<laughing>

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#150 Apr 23, 2013
CunningLinguist wrote:
<quoted text>
dON'T START WITH MY SORRY SPELLING... I FAT FINGER EVERYTHING THESE DAZE!:-(
Like leaving stupid caps lock on
I think Satan has possessed my keyboard - what incantation can I use?
BTW - I've already asked ZEUS
He said "Piss Off"
He apologised later, said some concubines kept him up all night and Mercury was late with the new stash.
I'd suggest an appeal to the Flying Spaghetti Monster-- in the form of some lovely pasta or other.

It may not fix your keyboarding issues, but you'll enjoy the repast, and you'll feel better too.

:D
CunningLinguist

Winter Garden, FL

#151 Apr 24, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
<grin>
Whereas I do respect the lofty ideals of making small-brew beer?
I have little use for the horse-p*ss that is American "beer".
:)
As for me, personally? Having had more than one ancestor who fell subject to alcoholism? I have concluded it's best not to dally with it, so no longer drink. I used to have a glass now and again, but no more-- as I age, I begin to realize that the human body is truly a travesty of "design" and has poor longevity.
But I do drink a variety if teas-- I have also given up the fizzy stuff, as that carbonic acid (from the CO2) is too much these days.
I find I do not miss the High Fructose whatsit, either...
:D
I do put me a scant 1/4 teaspoon of real cane sugar in my hot teas, but I like my cold teas strictly plain.
And both my liver and my spleen have blessed me for it--not to mention my stomach.
<laughing>
I prefer Heineken, but in Europe... DUVEL from Belgium 17%!
And... naturally most Germans beers are wonderful
CunningLinguist

Winter Garden, FL

#152 Apr 24, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
I'd suggest an appeal to the Flying Spaghetti Monster-- in the form of some lovely pasta or other.
It may not fix your keyboarding issues, but you'll enjoy the repast, and you'll feel better too.
:D
FSN has been hiding behind Russells Teapot lately :)
CunningLinguist

Winter Garden, FL

#153 Apr 24, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
I'd suggest an appeal to the Flying Spaghetti Monster-- in the form of some lovely pasta or other.
It may not fix your keyboarding issues, but you'll enjoy the repast, and you'll feel better too.
:D
I need a new 'victim'- to be subjected to my rapier with and sacrasm! Any suggestion on whom is a likelh candidate for me?

I did see John is still actively producing the usual spam.
Reminds of PAUL WV aka The RCC's Earthly messenger.

Allah Willing of course...:-)

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#154 Apr 24, 2013
CunningLinguist wrote:
<quoted text>
I need a new 'victim'- to be subjected to my rapier with and sacrasm! Any suggestion on whom is a likelh candidate for me?
I did see John is still actively producing the usual spam.
Reminds of PAUL WV aka The RCC's Earthly messenger.
Allah Willing of course...:-)
Paul WV posted a couple of times on one of the Atheist threads-- I saw that, came on and reminded everyone who he was. The thread has grown quiet as Paulie ran away again.

Stump-John is still robotic in his approach--near zero response to stimulus.

I'd suggest looking about the place-- there aren't that many regulars, apart from the super-busy threads, which I avoid. Too much like work, to catch up with 100's of posts each day.
CunningLinguist

Winter Garden, FL

#155 Apr 24, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Paul WV posted a couple of times on one of the Atheist threads-- I saw that, came on and reminded everyone who he was. The thread has grown quiet as Paulie ran away again.
Stump-John is still robotic in his approach--near zero response to stimulus.
I'd suggest looking about the place-- there aren't that many regulars, apart from the super-busy threads, which I avoid. Too much like work, to catch up with 100's of posts each day.
YOu know me... T thrive on those that post something I find so patently ridiulous, I find it absolute necessary to assail them with a triple threat, splattered with sarcasm and those 'dreaded' FACTS!

1. Like you I have extensive knowledge of their 'book' which few if any have not. Even their clergy have not read this book.

2. WE both know there is a wide array of 'facts' easily available on the internet. I think this will eventually destroy religion as the youth are literally obsessed with it. RePugs's thought they had the election in the bag... the youth of the country said STFU.
I loved it!

3. I pride myself in sarcasm, sadly 50% of the thesists haven't a clue! All they can mange is vulgarity

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#156 Apr 24, 2013
CunningLinguist wrote:
<quoted text>
YOu know me... T thrive on those that post something I find so patently ridiulous, I find it absolute necessary to assail them with a triple threat, splattered with sarcasm and those 'dreaded' FACTS!
1. Like you I have extensive knowledge of their 'book' which few if any have not. Even their clergy have not read this book.
2. WE both know there is a wide array of 'facts' easily available on the internet. I think this will eventually destroy religion as the youth are literally obsessed with it. RePugs's thought they had the election in the bag... the youth of the country said STFU.
I loved it!
3. I pride myself in sarcasm, sadly 50% of the thesists haven't a clue! All they can mange is vulgarity
:)

Go look at " http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T... ; then-- there's a grey-boxer idiot "barry" who thinks that the Dead Sea Scrolls "prove" the NT...!

He's a moron, by the way-- easy pickin's.

Then there's this " http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T... ;, wherein another ignorant grey-boxer KJV is desperate to prove Noah was a real 600 year old boat-builder with magical powers.... no, seriously, it's hilarious.

“In God we trust”

Since: Dec 12

Cape Town, South Africa

#157 Apr 24, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
:)
Go look at " http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T... ; then-- there's a grey-boxer idiot "barry" who thinks that the Dead Sea Scrolls "prove" the NT...!
He's a moron, by the way-- easy pickin's.
Then there's this " http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T... ;, wherein another ignorant grey-boxer KJV is desperate to prove Noah was a real 600 year old boat-builder with magical powers.... no, seriously, it's hilarious.
Like I'm suppose to believe dust created itself, that's hilarious
CunningLinguist

Winter Garden, FL

#158 Apr 24, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
:)
Go look at " http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T... ; then-- there's a grey-boxer idiot "barry" who thinks that the Dead Sea Scrolls "prove" the NT...!
He's a moron, by the way-- easy pickin's.
Then there's this " http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T... ;, wherein another ignorant grey-boxer KJV is desperate to prove Noah was a real 600 year old boat-builder with magical powers.... no, seriously, it's hilarious.
YOU DA MAN!

About those scrolls...
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/unreasonablefait...

http://www.2think.org/hii/b_t.shtml

http://abcnews.go.com/International/Story...

NOAH? Good God Agnes!

The flood year would have had to go like this:

1. sediment
2. waters recede, dinosaurs walk on sediment
3. forest grows, dies, turns to coal
4. sediment
5. water recedes, meteor strike
6. sediment
7. water recedes, plants grow, still-living rodents burrow
8. sediment
9. water recedes, rain marks ground, rain "craters" dry and harden
10. floods, shallow sea evaporates in a few days, leaving salt
11. more flood, sedimentation (without washing salt away)
12. flood recedes, mud bakes dry in sun
13. forest grows, dies, turns to coal. Maybe forest fires.
14. more sediment

All in space of a few months. If you accept a literal reading of Genesis, that is the sort of scenario you have to attempt to deal with.

Conclusion

This seems an incredibly complex way to go about ridding the world of sinners, doesn't it? Not only that, it doesn't seem to have actually worked. If God intended to re-breed the human race from the pure and virtuous Noah, why do we see so much "sin" in the world today? Surely God would have foreseen the outcome? I suppose it could be argued that the troubles in the world today are as nothing compared with that in Noah's time, but I don't think the people around Noah had problems with drugs, schoolchildren with assault rifles, and weapons of mass destruction (apart from God, of course).

If the world today is at least as bad as Noah's world, why did God bother? Maybe he cannot see the future?

This includes, of course, all those innocent babies and children who haven't had time to even start sinning yet.

God, who can create or destroy entire galaxies with no effort at all, has to get some poor slob to build an enormous ship, transport millions of animals from all over the planet to this ship, flood the entire planet, drain the water and then redistribute the animals again.

What is the point? Why not just click his fingers and cause everything to be as he wishes it to be? Why go to the trouble of causing the terrible deaths by drowning of billions of animals, birds, insects and
Drowning babies... Quite odd behaviour for an all-powerful, infinitely compassionate God, is it not?

Heck, I suppose God knew they were going to grow up into sinners and decided to get rid of them early. Of course, as they hadn't actually sinned yet, they couldn't go to Hell, so I suppose they must have gone to Heaven. But in that case, why did they deserve to have the life choked out of them by violent, muddy flood-waters? God does work in a mysterious way!(See my Flood Story for one possible scenario)

I cannot imagine how anyone could give any credibility whatsoever to the story of Noah's Ark, it really does defy belief.

But then,of course, God can do anything, we should not attempt to understand him, and what he does do, he does in ways beyond our comprehension.

~Adrian Barnett 1997,1998,1999, 2000

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#159 Apr 24, 2013
Carchar king wrote:
<quoted text>
Like I'm suppose to believe dust created itself, that's hilarious
Indeed-- that is EXACTLY what your ugly little bible claims, too!

It IS hilarious!

I am so glad you agree--- your ugly bible is just another common myth.

Good!

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#160 Apr 24, 2013
CunningLinguist wrote:
<quoted text>
YOU DA MAN!
About those scrolls...
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/unreasonablefait...
http://www.2think.org/hii/b_t.shtml
http://abcnews.go.com/International/Story...
NOAH? Good God Agnes!
The flood year would have had to go like this:
1. sediment
2. waters recede, dinosaurs walk on sediment
3. forest grows, dies, turns to coal
4. sediment
5. water recedes, meteor strike
6. sediment
7. water recedes, plants grow, still-living rodents burrow
8. sediment
9. water recedes, rain marks ground, rain "craters" dry and harden
10. floods, shallow sea evaporates in a few days, leaving salt
11. more flood, sedimentation (without washing salt away)
12. flood recedes, mud bakes dry in sun
13. forest grows, dies, turns to coal. Maybe forest fires.
14. more sediment
All in space of a few months. If you accept a literal reading of Genesis, that is the sort of scenario you have to attempt to deal with.
Conclusion
This seems an incredibly complex way to go about ridding the world of sinners, doesn't it? Not only that, it doesn't seem to have actually worked. If God intended to re-breed the human race from the pure and virtuous Noah, why do we see so much "sin" in the world today? Surely God would have foreseen the outcome? I suppose it could be argued that the troubles in the world today are as nothing compared with that in Noah's time, but I don't think the people around Noah had problems with drugs, schoolchildren with assault rifles, and weapons of mass destruction (apart from God, of course).
If the world today is at least as bad as Noah's world, why did God bother? Maybe he cannot see the future?
This includes, of course, all those innocent babies and children who haven't had time to even start sinning yet.
God, who can create or destroy entire galaxies with no effort at all, has to get some poor slob to build an enormous ship, transport millions of animals from all over the planet to this ship, flood the entire planet, drain the water and then redistribute the animals again.
What is the point? Why not just click his fingers and cause everything to be as he wishes it to be? Why go to the trouble of causing the terrible deaths by drowning of billions of animals, birds, insects and
Drowning babies... Quite odd behaviour for an all-powerful, infinitely compassionate God, is it not?
Heck, I suppose God knew they were going to grow up into sinners and decided to get rid of them early. Of course, as they hadn't actually sinned yet, they couldn't go to Hell, so I suppose they must have gone to Heaven. But in that case, why did they deserve to have the life choked out of them by violent, muddy flood-waters? God does work in a mysterious way!(See my Flood Story for one possible scenario)
I cannot imagine how anyone could give any credibility whatsoever to the story of Noah's Ark, it really does defy belief.
But then,of course, God can do anything, we should not attempt to understand him, and what he does do, he does in ways beyond our comprehension.
~Adrian Barnett 1997,1998,1999, 2000
Brilliant!

“In God we trust”

Since: Dec 12

Cape Town, South Africa

#161 Apr 24, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Indeed-- that is EXACTLY what your ugly little bible claims, too!
It IS hilarious!
I am so glad you agree--- your ugly bible is just another common myth.
Good!
And um... where is you're reason for the cause of the earth, did a explosion blow up, with non of the ingredients needed for one create the earth. And also it's good to here you blabering that I agree without no reason to say so.
Andre

Durban, South Africa

#162 Apr 24, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
<quoted text>
For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.--Matthew 10:35-36
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/
I am not quite sure what your argument is.
Can you Provide evidence that your God is the only true God in a way that religions other than yours cannot do?
Physical evidence? No. There is no physically verifiable evidence that any god exists. That is I suppose why they call it a faith.
However, the resurrection of Jesus is a supernatural event. The continued search for his remains suggest that even those claiming "myth" still accept the convincing circumstantial evidence.
Jesus is altogether different from any other “god”.
Spurgeon (a “favoutite”) says this:
“false prophets have sought to keep their disciples at a distance and to impress upon them not merely a high estimation of their importance, but also a superstitious reverence for their person. It was also so with the old Pagan priests.... They bade the worshippers fall down before them, but they never permitted them to come near to them and hold fellowship with them.
In stark contrast, Jesus was accused of mixing with sinners, prostitutes, tax collectors etc, and touch the “untouchables”- people afflicted with leprosy.
He healed the sick, gave sight to the blind. That is a God of love that has no regard for the state of man - rich or poor, healthy or sick, young or old.
Can you Provide evidence that your holy book is true in a way that religions other than yours cannot do with theirs?
Only by facts that can be verified such as history and archaeology.
This however does not prove Christianity to be true. It may be historically correct, but not be inspired.
It would however suggest at least a fair amount of honesty and not myths.
Prophecy is an important discriminating aspect, if you are willing to consider data objectively without an agenda to prove it wrong - using texts out of context or discrepancies that is “thought” to exist. You are welcome to read the history of Tyre for instance. But do not use Christian sources alone. Use any other objective, scholarly work.
Until this time, and it will be an eternity - you are only one of many religious cult members - each claiming more or less the same immortality or enlightenment as others.
If all claim the same, it is possible that one may be right. You cannot establish with certainty that all are wrong.
Speaking of Russell ;)
Bertrand Russell
"Religion prevents our children from having a rational education; religion prevents us from removing the fundamental causes of war; religion prevents us from teaching the ethic of scientific cooperation in place of the old fierce doctrines of sin and punishment. It is possible that mankind is on the threshold of a golden age; but, if so, it will be necessary first to slay the dragon that guards the door, and this dragon is religion."
I have responded to this previously, indicating that his tirade is devoid of truth which is easily demonstrated by present political upheavels, Christian scientists of considerable renown, serious decline in moral behaviour (see any forum on management practices, behaviour of school children etc) and the development of science as independent field of study in Christian West.
Next Lesson - Mithras. Oops!
1) Hundreds of years before Jesus, according to the Mithraic religion, three Wise Men of Persia came to visit the baby savior-god Mithra, bring him gifts of gold, myrrh and frankincense.
It seems you have to check your sources as Mithra was also claimed to be a “rock god” born as a full-grown man from rock. But there is of course a different version. So take your pick! So much for a lesson that has to be corrected by the "student"! Ooops!

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#163 Apr 25, 2013
Andre wrote:
<quoted text>
I am not quite sure what your argument is.
<quoted text>
Physical evidence? No. There is no physically verifiable evidence that any god exists.
This is the point where you're supposed to shut the f*ck up. But you liars with no proof of god insist in filling us in with your drivel.

Your opinion no longer matters after you've admitted you have no proof of god.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#164 Apr 25, 2013
No proof of god = you're now talking about your hallucination.
Andre

Durban, South Africa

#165 Apr 25, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
<quoted text>
2) Mithra was born on December 25 as told in the “Great Religions of the World”, page 330; “…it was the winter solstice celebrated by ancients as the birthday of Mithraism’s sun god”.
You may know that 25 December is not the date accepted by Christianity as the date of Jesus birth. His birth date is unknown. It was adopted by the Catholic Church +- 300 years after Christianity has already begun and was chosen in order to compete with the pagan winter solstice festivals.
There is in any case no historical evidence of his birth.
3) According to Mithraism, before Mithra died on a cross, he celebrated a “Last Supper with his twelve disciples, who represented the twelve signs of the zodiac.
He was no great teacher that Christianity would “import” as his claimed merit is that of a warrior, quite contrary to the Christian message. As it is merely myth, and possibly amended from time to time, it is even suggested that the present “teachings” are actually inspired by Christianity to give it some “decency”, considering his claimed life.
It is interesting that it is claimed he fought with the sun ( and that must have been something to see!) But what the heck, the little cult soon died out – so much for their “god”- and contrary to Christianity that continues despite severe opposition from time to time. Old Hitler did not do much to help, as killing of Christians in persecuting countries.
4) After the death of Mithra, his body was laid to rest in a rock tomb.
5) Mithra had a celibate priesthood.
6) Mithra ascended into heaven during the spring (Passover) equinox (the time when the sun crosses the equator making night and day of equal length).
If there are any similarities, it seems that the Christian should be accepted as truth based on the fact that the record of what has happened has been prophesied long before and no evidence exists – historical or otherwise - for the physical existence of Mithra.- contrary to the Biblical and secular historical evidence of Jesus Christ, his life and death:
There is apparently also no evidence prior to +- 200 AD that what is now accepted as Mithraism, was in fact taught. It is indeed a “mystery religion”.
This woman said unto me, Give thy son, that we may eat him to day, and we will eat my son tomorrow. So we boiled my son, and did eat him--2 Kings 6:28-29
Do you want fries with that?
Thank you for bringing this up. If you read the part, you will see that the occasion was the siege of Samaria, when there was no food at all and people apparently went to extremes to stay alive. But if you read a bit further, you will see that Elisha the prophet prophesied that the following day food will again be freely available. This happened as the next few verses explains:
2Ki 7:6 For the Lord had made the host of the Syrians to hear a noise of chariots, and a noise of horses, even the noise of a great host: and they said one to another, Lo, the king of Israel hath hired against us the kings of the Hittites, and the kings of the Egyptians, to come upon us.
2Ki 7:7 Wherefore they arose and fled in the twilight, and left their tents, and their horses, and their asses, even the camp as it was, and fled for their life.

But I am sure you would only agree to the apparent "negative" part, mentioned out of context and disregard that which is stated later.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#166 Apr 25, 2013
Andre wrote:
<quoted text>
You may know that 25 December is not the date accepted by Christianity as the date of Jesus birth. His birth date is unknown. It was adopted by the Catholic Church +- 300 years after Christianity has already begun and was chosen in order to compete with the pagan winter solstice festivals.
There is in any case no historical evidence of his birth.
<quoted text>
He was no great teacher that Christianity would “import” as his claimed merit is that of a warrior, quite contrary to the Christian message. As it is merely myth, and possibly amended from time to time, it is even suggested that the present “teachings” are actually inspired by Christianity to give it some “decency”, considering his claimed life.
It is interesting that it is claimed he fought with the sun ( and that must have been something to see!) But what the heck, the little cult soon died out – so much for their “god”- and contrary to Christianity that continues despite severe opposition from time to time. Old Hitler did not do much to help, as killing of Christians in persecuting countries.
<quoted text>If there are any similarities, it seems that the Christian should be accepted as truth based on the fact that the record of what has happened has been prophesied long before and no evidence exists – historical or otherwise - for the physical existence of Mithra.- contrary to the Biblical and secular historical evidence of Jesus Christ, his life and death:
There is apparently also no evidence prior to +- 200 AD that what is now accepted as Mithraism, was in fact taught. It is indeed a “mystery religion”.
<quoted text>Thank you for bringing this up. If you read the part, you will see that the occasion was the siege of Samaria, when there was no food at all and people apparently went to extremes to stay alive. But if you read a bit further, you will see that Elisha the prophet prophesied that the following day food will again be freely available. This happened as the next few verses explains:
2Ki 7:6 For the Lord had made the host of the Syrians to hear a noise of chariots, and a noise of horses, even the noise of a great host: and they said one to another, Lo, the king of Israel hath hired against us the kings of the Hittites, and the kings of the Egyptians, to come upon us.
2Ki 7:7 Wherefore they arose and fled in the twilight, and left their tents, and their horses, and their asses, even the camp as it was, and fled for their life.
But I am sure you would only agree to the apparent "negative" part, mentioned out of context and disregard that which is stated later.
Hitler was catholic not atheist as you try to imply.

Nice try troll.
Andre

Durban, South Africa

#167 Apr 25, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
<quoted text>
This is the point where you're supposed to shut the f*ck up. But you liars with no proof of god insist in filling us in with your drivel.
Your opinion no longer matters after you've admitted you have no proof of god.
I notice you are aware of the rather crude language you typically use.
Prove me a liar. Do you have proof God does not exist? Looking forward to a reasoned reply and not emotional rhetoric (again supporting my view of emotion rather than fact being your motivation.)

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