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From this blog: " http://www.patheos.com/blogs/secularoutpost/2... ;

1 The question “Why is there something rather than nothing” presupposes “nothing” as being the normal state of affairs. Why believe that? Why can’t we flip the question on its head? In other words, why can’t it be the case that the normal state of affairs is for things to actually exist and nothingness itself would be weird?(HT: Thy Kingdom Come (Undone))

2 Given that the universe has a finite age, why did the universe begin with time rather than in time?

3 Why is so much of our universe intelligible without any appeal to supernatural agency? Why does the history of science contains numerous examples of naturalistic explanations replacing supernatural ones and no examples of supernatural explanations replacing naturalistic ones?

4 Why is the physical universe so unimaginably large?

5 If you believe that visual beauty is evidence of God, why isn’t the universe saturated with auditory, tactile, or other non-visual types of sensory beauty?

6 If you believe the universe is fine-tuned for intelligent life, why isn’t our universe teeming with life, including life much more impressive than human life?

7 Why would God use biological evolution as a method for creation? Do you have any answer that is independent of the scientific evidence for evolution?

8 Why would God desire to create embodied moral agents, as opposed to unembodied minds (such as souls, spirits, or ghosts)? Why is the human mind dependent on the physical brain?

9 Did Australopithecus have a soul? What about homo habilis? Homo erectus? Neanderthals? Why or why not?(HT: Keith Parsons)

10 How do souls interact with physical matter? Do you have any answer that is not tantamount to “I don’t know?”(HT: Keith Parsons)

11 If you believe humans have free will, why would humans have free will if God exists? Why are we able to exercise free will in some situations but not others?

12 Why are pain and pleasure so connected to the biological goals of survival and reproduction, but morally random? Is there some greater good that logically requires (or logically requires risking) that suffering be used to motivate animals to pursue the biological goal of self-preservation? Does some moral end make it desierable for suffering to continue even when it serves no biological purpose? For example, why do sentient beings, including animals which are not moral agents, experience pain or pleasure that we do not know to be biologically useful?

13 Why do only a fraction of living things, including the majority of sentient beings, thrive? In other words, why do very few living things have an adequate supply of food and water, are able to reproduce, avoid predators, and remain healthy? Why would God create a world in which all sentient beings savagely compete with one another for survival? Why do an even smaller fraction of organisms thrive for most of their lives? Why do almost no organisms thrive for all of their lives?

14 Why is there social evil, i.e., instances of pain or suffering that results from the game-theoretic interactions of many individuals?

15 Why does God allow horrific suffering (and relatively little glorious pleasure)?

16 Why does horrific suffering often destroy a person, at least psychologically, and prevent them from growing morally, spiritually, and intellectually?

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17 Why is there nonculpable (reasonable) nonbelief in God? Why are there former believers, i.e., people who, from the perspective of theism, were on the right path when they lost belief? Why are there so many people who gave their lives to God only to discover there is no God? Why are there lifelong seekers? Why are there converts to nontheistic religions and especially nonresistant believers who arrive as a result of honest inquiry at nontheistic experiences and beliefs? Why are there isolated nontheists, i.e., people who have never so much as had the idea of God?

18 Why do some believers feel there is evidence for God’s existence on which they may rely, but in which God is not felt as directly present to her experience, and may indeed feel absent?
Why are there such striking geographic differences in the incidence of theistic belief? Why does
theistic belief vary dramatically with cultural and national boundaries? For example, why does a population of millions of non-theists persist in Thailand but not in Saudi Arabia? And why has the global incidence of theistic belief varied dramatically over time, i.e., during the existence of the human species?

19 Why do only some people have religious experiences? In particular, why is it that most of the people who do have religious experiences almost always have a prior belief in God or extensive exposure to a theistic religion?
For those people who do have religious experiences, why do they pursue a variety of radically different religious paths, none of which bears abundantly more moral fruit than all of the others?

20 Why do so many people report not experiencing God’s comforting presence in the face of tragedies?
Why does the the relatively new discipline of cognitive science of religion support the claim that we have a Hyperactive Agency Detection Device (HADD), which causes human beings to naturally form beliefs about invisible agents? Considering HADD’s poor track record of producing true beliefs about invisible agents in general, why should we trust it when it produces a belief about one invisible agent, the God of theism?

21 Why does God allow such confusion or disagreement among people, including theists, about what is morally good or bad and morally right or wrong?
Why should we believe that, of the innumerable deities worshipped by human beings over the ages, yours is the one that really exists? Why believe in Yahweh rather than Zeus, Odin, Marduk, Ishtar, Osiris, Quetzalcoatl, Madame Pele, Ahura-Mazda, etc., etc., etc.?(HT: Keith Parsons)
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Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
From this blog: " http://www.patheos.com/blogs/secularoutpost/2... ;
1 The question “Why is there something rather than nothing” presupposes “nothing” as being the normal state of affairs. Why believe that? Why can’t we flip the question on its head? In other words, why can’t it be the case that the normal state of affairs is for things to actually exist and nothingness itself would be weird?(HT: Thy Kingdom Come (Undone))
Depends what you mean by 'nothing'.
Try the Kabbalah and its sephira of Ain, Ain Soph and Ain Soph Aur, these could be described as states of negative existence. The archetypes would come through these but the concepts of which would be beyond comprehension of the human mind.
Why flip the question on its head? You still have to deal with how things came into existence and come up with the answer of infinite regression.
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2 Given that the universe has a finite age, why did the universe begin with time rather than in time?
The issue of physical time is a concern for humans only and it is measured symbolically, before us the issue of time as we see or percieve it was of no concern.
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3 Why is so much of our universe intelligible without any appeal to supernatural agency? Why does the history of science contains numerous examples of naturalistic explanations replacing supernatural ones and no examples of supernatural explanations replacing naturalistic ones?
The supernatural is natural, just because there is no overall concensus in explaining it doesnt make it something else or 'super'.
There is the natural and the un-natural.
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4 Why is the physical universe so unimaginably large?
I am a believer in Jehovah - Praise be upon him and his name, but I am also a Panentheist. A pantheist believes that God is in everything whereas a Panentheist believes that everything is within God.
God is infinite as so is the universe, the universe cannot be physically measured and you can throw in the possibility of multiverses as well.
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5 If you believe that visual beauty is evidence of God, why isn’t the universe saturated with auditory, tactile, or other non-visual types of sensory beauty?
For whose benefit? Ours?
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6 If you believe the universe is fine-tuned for intelligent life, why isn’t our universe teeming with life, including life much more impressive than human life?
There could be other forms of life, its that we cannot percieve them.
The Kabbalah mentions 7 earths, 6 of which have life. They may be in multiverses or may all be in the same physical (to us) place as our earth. They may exist at different rates of vibration which cannot be percieved by us and may not interact with the rates of vibration in the physical realm.
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7 Why would God use biological evolution as a method for creation? Do you have any answer that is independent of the scientific evidence for evolution?
That is reproduction not creation, we cannot create ourselves.
Also what do you classify as biological evolution?
Race mixing? Selective breeding?
If the number of chromosones doesnt change then it is not evolution.
Evolution is a theory, it has no proof and has not been observed.
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8 Why would God desire to create embodied moral agents, as opposed to unembodied minds (such as souls, spirits, or ghosts)?
The unembodied minds you mentioned cannot dictate morality without Divine permission as there is an order of things. At best they can only convey a message but cannot provide a physical presence as an example to others.
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Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
Why is the human mind dependent on the physical brain?
This cannot be verified either way, people who have been through Near Death Experiences have told of remembering encounters in the 'spiritual' realm in which they had no input from their physical senses or any concept of time. These people were either clinically or legally dead at the time.
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9 Did Australopithecus have a soul? What about homo habilis? Homo erectus? Neanderthals? Why or why not?(HT: Keith Parsons)
Unless you have ever been one then you cannot answer that question,
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10 How do souls interact with physical matter? Do you have any answer that is not tantamount to “I don’t know?”(HT: Keith Parsons)
They wouldnt, different rates of vibration would prevent this and souls arent physical.
But you can observe souls reacting with souls in the physical realm by things such as instant attraction or instant dislike with no physical explanation to outside observers.
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Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
From this blog: " http://www.patheos.com/blogs/secularoutpost/2... ;
1 The question “Why is there something rather than nothing” presupposes “nothing” as being the normal state of affairs. Why believe that? Why can’t we flip the question on its head? In other words, why can’t it be the case that the normal state of affairs is for things to actually exist and nothingness itself would be weird?(HT: Thy Kingdom Come (Undone))
2 Given that the universe has a finite age, why did the universe begin with time rather than in time?
3 Why is so much of our universe intelligible without any appeal to supernatural agency? Why does the history of science contains numerous examples of naturalistic explanations replacing supernatural ones and no examples of supernatural explanations replacing naturalistic ones?
4 Why is the physical universe so unimaginably large?
5 If you believe that visual beauty is evidence of God, why isn’t the universe saturated with auditory, tactile, or other non-visual types of sensory beauty?
6 If you believe the universe is fine-tuned for intelligent life, why isn’t our universe teeming with life, including life much more impressive than human life?
7 Why would God use biological evolution as a method for creation? Do you have any answer that is independent of the scientific evidence for evolution?
8 Why would God desire to create embodied moral agents, as opposed to unembodied minds (such as souls, spirits, or ghosts)? Why is the human mind dependent on the physical brain?
9 Did Australopithecus have a soul? What about homo habilis? Homo erectus? Neanderthals? Why or why not?(HT: Keith Parsons)
10 How do souls interact with physical matter? Do you have any answer that is not tantamount to “I don’t know?”(HT: Keith Parsons)
11 If you believe humans have free will, why would humans have free will if God exists? Why are we able to exercise free will in some situations but not others?
12 Why are pain and pleasure so connected to the biological goals of survival and reproduction, but morally random? Is there some greater good that logically requires (or logically requires risking) that suffering be used to motivate animals to pursue the biological goal of self-preservation? Does some moral end make it desierable for suffering to continue even when it serves no biological purpose? For example, why do sentient beings, including animals which are not moral agents, experience pain or pleasure that we do not know to be biologically useful?
13 Why do only a fraction of living things, including the majority of sentient beings, thrive? In other words, why do very few living things have an adequate supply of food and water, are able to reproduce, avoid predators, and remain healthy? Why would God create a world in which all sentient beings savagely compete with one another for survival? Why do an even smaller fraction of organisms thrive for most of their lives? Why do almost no organisms thrive for all of their lives?
14 Why is there social evil, i.e., instances of pain or suffering that results from the game-theoretic interactions of many individuals?
15 Why does God allow horrific suffering (and relatively little glorious pleasure)?
16 Why does horrific suffering often destroy a person, at least psychologically, and prevent them from growing morally, spiritually, and intellectually?
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You forgot the most crucial question.

If you believe in an almighty,alpowerful perfect god....why would a god like that make humans?What could humans possibly contribute to a god like that?
Humans would be far less to god then single-celled organisms compaired to humans....would you want a personal relationship with a single-celled organism?Would a single-celled organism be able to have a persona relationship with humans?So what is the purpose of human creation by god?

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You forgot the most crucial question.
If you believe in an almighty,alpowerful perfect god....why would a god like that make humans?What could humans possibly contribute to a god like that?
Humans would be far less to god then single-celled organisms compaired to humans....would you want a personal relationship with a single-celled organism?Would a single-celled organism be able to have a persona relationship with humans?So what is the purpose of human creation by god?
Siro is a brain-dead troll. Pay it no heed--not worth the trouble.
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11 If you believe humans have free will, why would humans have free will if God exists? Why are we able to exercise free will in some situations but not others?
You have autonomy or free choice, you may choose a particular option from those that arrive from your current circumstance. In doing so you may be choosing to alter your current circumstance or seek to retain it. It could be said that you have free will in choosing an available option at the time but in doing so you might be colliding with someone elses choice of option.
Its a case of 6 degrees of separation, if you truly had free will then you would override everyone elses options whether that be justified or not.
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12 Why are pain and pleasure so connected to the biological goals of survival and reproduction, but morally random? Is there some greater good that logically requires (or logically requires risking) that suffering be used to motivate animals to pursue the biological goal of self-preservation? Does some moral end make it desierable for suffering to continue even when it serves no biological purpose? For example, why do sentient beings, including animals which are not moral agents, experience pain or pleasure that we do not know to be biologically useful?
It is to do with order and interaction, it is also to do with physical survival. If you felt no pain you could be infected with a disease which you would unknowingly pass to others or you could have a rusty nail in your back and contract septicemia which would cut your life short.
Pleasure and pain will affect how you judge physical actions, referring to free will you might decide it would be good to jump off a cliff but you know it would either kill or mangle you. You still have the option of doing so but when considering the effects of taking that option you would probably dismiss that option.
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13 Why do only a fraction of living things, including the majority of sentient beings, thrive? In other words, why do very few living things have an adequate supply of food and water, are able to reproduce, avoid predators, and remain healthy? Why would God create a world in which all sentient beings savagely compete with one another for survival? Why do an even smaller fraction of organisms thrive for most of their lives? Why do almost no organisms thrive for all of their lives?
It retains order, it gives those creatures a sense of purpose and encourages them to think and push themselves beyond the accepted abilities of their physical being.
If every creature had everything they wanted or needed then there would be no motivation to actually live, they could sleep all day if they wanted.
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14 Why is there social evil, i.e., instances of pain or suffering that results from the game-theoretic interactions of many individuals?
That is man made, if people choose bad options unopposed and act on them and everyone else says nothing then whose fault is that?
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15 Why does God allow horrific suffering (and relatively little glorious pleasure)?
God does permit the secondary causes to act, if you want to whinge about starvation in other countries while eating a steak while watching the news and yet choose to do nothing about it personally and expect others to fix it because you whinge about it, then by your choice of doing nothing to stop that particular case of starvation you at least by default have become one of the secondary causes.
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16 Why does horrific suffering often destroy a person, at least psychologically, and prevent them from growing morally, spiritually, and intellectually?
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Does it?
I thought the loss of hope would be more devastating.
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17 Why is there nonculpable (reasonable) nonbelief in God? Why are there former believers, i.e., people who, from the perspective of theism, were on the right path when they lost belief? Why are there so many people who gave their lives to God only to discover there is no God? Why are there lifelong seekers? Why are there converts to nontheistic religions and especially nonresistant believers who arrive as a result of honest inquiry at nontheistic experiences and beliefs? Why are there isolated nontheists, i.e., people who have never so much as had the idea of God?
It depends on what they expected from believing in God, if they expected a life long gravy train without any effort then maybe their gravy train dream was derailed by their laziness or sense of 'entitlement'. If you want something you should work at getting it regardless if you think you are going to get it from God.
God is not your sugar daddy.
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18 Why do some believers feel there is evidence for God’s existence on which they may rely, but in which God is not felt as directly present to her experience, and may indeed feel absent?
Cause and effect, you do not have to be physically seen by those affected by a chain reaction you have caused.
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Why are there such striking geographic differences in the incidence of theistic belief? Why does theistic belief vary dramatically with cultural and national boundaries? For example, why does a population of millions of non-theists persist in Thailand but not in Saudi Arabia? And why has the global incidence of theistic belief varied dramatically over time, i.e., during the existence of the human species?
Race and blood ties, combine this with cultural and national boundaries.
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19 Why do only some people have religious experiences? In particular, why is it that most of the people who do have religious experiences almost always have a prior belief in God or extensive exposure to a theistic religion?
For those people who do have religious experiences, why do they pursue a variety of radically different religious paths, none of which bears abundantly more moral fruit than all of the others?
A buddhist may meditate and describe it as a religious experience, someone may take LSD and describe it as a religious experience because they have experienced a higher power.
Doubtful that either may change their moral values but might apply them differently according to circumstance.
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20 Why do so many people report not experiencing God’s comforting presence in the face of tragedies?
What did they expect? A hug and a hanky?
Comfort is knowing that you will pull through a situation OK because there is someone to back you up and look over you rather than someone holding your hand and crying with you.
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You forgot the most crucial question.
If you believe in an almighty,alpowerful perfect god....why would a god like that make humans?What could humans possibly contribute to a god like that?
Humans would be far less to god then single-celled organisms compaired to humans....would you want a personal relationship with a single-celled organism?Would a single-celled organism be able to have a persona relationship with humans?So what is the purpose of human creation by god?
Did you ever have an ant farm or pet spiders or pet mice?
Although you would say they all acted as one you would sometimes find one or two that were truly unique.
And you did in time come to have a personal understanding with them. Sometimes pets can make you laugh or angry and make you feel love.
Yes we are like pets in a pet shop but we all want to be picked up and taken home and that inspires us to excel ourselves to please God with our uniqueness which in turn just might give God a surprise that he never expected and would love to experience.

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See?

Siro proves his utter lack of brain-power with every post.

It becomes unquestionable.

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You forgot the most crucial question.
If you believe in an almighty,alpowerful perfect god....why would a god like that make humans?What could humans possibly contribute to a god like that?
Humans would be far less to god then single-celled organisms compaired to humans....would you want a personal relationship with a single-celled organism?Would a single-celled organism be able to have a persona relationship with humans?So what is the purpose of human creation by god?
Good point.

I was copying the 20 questions from another blog-- none of the questions are mine.

I thought them interesting, is all.
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See?
Siro proves his utter lack of brain-power with every post.
It becomes unquestionable.
And yet you cannot raise issue with any of the answers I have given so far.
You actually dont contribute anything of value or even interest do you bob?
Why dont you just pack up and leave?
Everyone sees you for what you are.....
.....Just another marxist spammer....

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And yet you cannot raise issue with any of the answers I have given so far.
You actually dont contribute anything of value or even interest do you bob?
Why dont you just pack up and leave?
Everyone sees you for what you are.....
.....Just another marxist spammer....
No proof of god, desperate frustrated theist.
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No proof of god, desperate frustrated theist.
I see that bob the commie has sent you the loyal acolyte and stooge to put another pointless post.
Putting you and bob together is the same as multiplying zeros and expecting a positive result......It is utterly pointless and a waste of time as seen by your post.
Do you actually care to rebuke any of the answers Ive given or hasnt bob given you permission yet?

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Siro still says NOTHING worthy of comment.

Sad.
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Siro still says NOTHING worthy of comment.
Sad.
And you still cant argue against anything ive posted. You just repeat yourself like a meal of bad turkey.
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I see that bob the commie has sent you the loyal acolyte and stooge to put another pointless post.
Putting you and bob together is the same as multiplying zeros and expecting a positive result......It is utterly pointless and a waste of time as seen by your post.
Do you actually care to rebuke any of the answers Ive given or hasnt bob given you permission yet?
Nope, that's not proof of god either. Your cult fails you, not atheists.

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Putting you and bob together is the same as multiplying zeros and expecting a positive result......It is utterly pointless and a waste of time as seen by your post.
If it's so pointless, why are you replying in the dimwitted hope that you can create more ignorant cult believers here?

Speaking of zero, its exactly how much proof of god the sum total of all your believers that ever walked the planet, have ever presented to sane people since the beginning of time itself.

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If it's so pointless, why are you replying in the dimwitted hope that you can create more ignorant cult believers here?
Speaking of zero, its exactly how much proof of god the sum total of all your believers that ever walked the planet, have ever presented to sane people since the beginning of time itself.
Siro is just a troll. He truly is unworthy of so much of a period at the end of a sentence.

In fact? I've gone too far in even mentioning him in passing, to another free thinker.

:)

For to a troll? Any attention, no matter how slight--or even at one remove-- is food.
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Siro is just a troll. He truly is unworthy of so much of a period at the end of a sentence.
In fact? I've gone too far in even mentioning him in passing, to another free thinker.
:)
For to a troll? Any attention, no matter how slight--or even at one remove-- is food.
Sir Robert I know you're enthused posting to these mental midhets but this Australian baboon belongs back in the pouch somewhere out the outback!

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