Could Religious belief be considered ...

Could Religious belief be considered to be a Mental Disorder?

There are 173 comments on the News24 story from May 9, 2013, titled Could Religious belief be considered to be a Mental Disorder?. In it, News24 reports that:

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EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#63 May 15, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
I am impressed that you were even able to translate his non English gibberish.
Naturally he has no evidence to refute you or even back up his poorly worded claims.
<quoted text>
I try not to be distracted from the substance of someone's post either by their quality of expression or the heat with which they express it. I always welcome challenges to any of my beliefs, as I think do you, yours. Lincoln says he's not religious but feels compelled to try and defend it. That's his problem.
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#64 May 15, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
You're stealing the works of others again without posting the link and giving credit to the original author.
That criticism had been made clear to him and acknowledged by him too :-)
Givemeliberty wrote:
Peace :)
<quoted text>
Peace is in the mind, not found on Topix :-)
Lincoln

United States

#65 May 15, 2013
The delusion of being "the atheist moderator" is revealing.

atheist denial of history is amusing.

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#66 May 15, 2013
Which is why he needs to start citing his sources that he uses with proper links.

I notice his lack of English comprehension missed the part where it says religion continued on throughout the so called atheist Soviet Union and members being able to worship in their homes and churches.

The Orthodox Church flourished quite well during the soviet years even having their churches renovated and new churches built free of charge.

I have several russian friends here and they having actually lived during the soviet times have a much different take on the events. But hey, why listen to people who actually lived during it right? What could they contribute to the subject?

Lol :))
EdSed wrote:
<quoted text>That criticism had been made clear to him and acknowledged by him too :-)
Givemeliberty wrote, "
Peace :)
<quoted text>
"

Peace is in the mind, not found on Topix :-)
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#67 May 15, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
The delusion of being "the atheist moderator" is revealing.
atheist denial of history is amusing.
Says a believer in god(s) and who favors "Judeo-Christian culture", but each reader will decide for ourselves who is deluded and in denial.

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#68 May 15, 2013
He makes the occasional denial of his faith, yet his actions and tone of his posts clearly point to a devout believer and intolerance of non believers.

Much more likely he doesn't want to defend his faith while taking shots at those he is intolerant of.

IANS has a great quote about stealth theists in that regard.
EdSed wrote:
<quoted text>I try not to be distracted from the substance of someone's post either by their quality of expression or the heat with which they express it. I always welcome challenges to any of my beliefs, as I think do you, yours. Lincoln says he's not religious but feels compelled to try and defend it. That's his problem.
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#69 May 15, 2013
spudgun wrote:
<quoted text>
+1 good point
Thanks. Lincoln doesn't even take the point aobut links - which he has acknowledged. He's got nought.

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#70 May 15, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Science has long since proven Quantum Mechanics actually represents our Universe.
In fact, there is more evidence supporting QM than about any other science on the planet--especially recently.
One of the more interesting aspects, though?
Is that QM proves-- beyond a shadow of a doubt-- that an Omniscient being is impossible in our current Universe.
Because of the so-called observer effect: an Omniscient being would collapse the Universe, just by existing.
The Universe has NOT collapsed, therefore? There are NO OMNISCIENT BEINGS IN IT. Or "outside" of it too-- same effect applies.
So?
That proves beyond a shadow of a doubt-- your god cannot exist.
And therefore? Does not exist.
Bye. Don't let the screen door smack your sorry azz as you leave...
Well butthole Bob.
AKA ‘the closer’,
Aka ‘the court jester’

Well I don’t have time to answer all of your gibberish, but let’s get this one point settled.

QM says nothing about god, not a hypothetical god, not an imagined god, not a real god, not a Hebrew god, not an Islamic god, not a Deist god.

You tell us that “One of the more interesting aspects, though?
Is that QM proves-- beyond a shadow of a doubt-- that an Omniscient being is impossible in our current Universe.”

So, why is it that I have not seen your book on this, or a cover story in a journal?

Do you actually expect us to believe this is true, but, the scientific community is keeping it a secret?

Here is what I know.
Science can prove nothing – at least that is what conventional wisdom is in the scientific community.

Do you disagre, do I need to teach you?
Science can say ‘Well, if this is true, and this is true, then this will be proven. Problem is, they don’t know if any of the assumptions are true.
They cannot even agree on what ‘our current universe’ means.
Is string theory valid? Maybe yes, maybe no.
Are multi-universes valid? Maybe yes, maybe no.

What they do not know, far exceeds what they do know.
You spew bilge water and tell us to drink the kool-aide.

QM make no pronouncements about god.
In your ignorance, you do not know this, and even claim the opposite.

~~~
So I'm busy the next few days, will return as time permits.

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#71 May 15, 2013
The basic argument is, "The Soviets who wanted to eliminate religion committed crimes against humanity, therefore religions are based on reality." When stated so baldly, the fallacy (non sequitur) is so obvious that even those who are pushing it should be able to recognize its weakness. The other implicit non sequitur is, "Russian communists were evil, therefore all atheists are evil." But then, the object may be less to prove a point than to carry out an ongoing ad hominem, even if the correlation implied is obviously false.

At any rate, I tend to discount uncredited copy/paste posts (i.e. plagiarism) from "contributors" who cannot write coherent posts on their own.
CunningLinguist

Winter Garden, FL

#72 May 15, 2013
NightSerf wrote:
The basic argument is, "The Soviets who wanted to eliminate religion committed crimes against humanity, therefore religions are based on reality." When stated so baldly, the fallacy (non sequitur) is so obvious that even those who are pushing it should be able to recognize its weakness. The other implicit non sequitur is, "Russian communists were evil, therefore all atheists are evil." But then, the object may be less to prove a point than to carry out an ongoing ad hominem, even if the correlation implied is obviously false.
At any rate, I tend to discount uncredited copy/paste posts (i.e. plagiarism) from "contributors" who cannot write coherent posts on their own.
Two little boys in first grade were chosen to be the leads in their
first school play. It was to be a Shakespearean play.

The first little boy was to say, "My fair maiden....I have come to
snatch a kiss and fill your soul with hope."

The second little boy was to reply by saying, "Hark!, a pistol shot."

Well, on opening night in the school auditorium, the two little boys were a bit nervous, knowing that all the seats were going to be filled with grown-ups. The teacher told them to take their places on the stage and to remember to speak very loud as soon as the curtain goes up. The curtain rose and looking out upon the audience the two boys were terrified. They stood there frozen. So the teacher whispered for them to begin.

The first boy yelled out these unforgettable words....."My fair
maiden....I have come to kiss your snatch! And fill your hole with soap."

The second boy screams out....."Hark! a shistol pot, a postle shiss, a pot of shit... I never wanted to be in this lousy play anyway.

The audience left howling.
Our audience often leaves me howling!
Cujo

Regina, Canada

#73 May 15, 2013
Generally, I don't think it's a mental disorder. I think most religious people, have never questioned their faith, just as they are told not to. They don't use reason, logic and crytical thinking, when they do question their beliefs. They often ask the wrong people (ministers, priests) the tough questions, rather than researching themselves, and accept what ever answer they are told.

Gullible? Yes. Mental disorder, mostly no.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#74 May 15, 2013
Cujo wrote:
Generally, I don't think it's a mental disorder. I think most religious people, have never questioned their faith, just as they are told not to. They don't use reason, logic and crytical thinking, when they do question their beliefs. They often ask the wrong people (ministers, priests) the tough questions, rather than researching themselves, and accept what ever answer they are told.
Gullible? Yes. Mental disorder, mostly no.
"We're never gonna survive unless we get a little crazy". Seal. Belief in something that is not tangible and we cannot prove is insanity. The Messiah himself is mentally ill. Psalm 38:7 "For my loins are filled with a loathsome disease, and there is no soundness in my flesh". The Messiah has witnessed supernatural events, he'll have visions and dreams and hear a voice.

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#75 May 15, 2013
CunningLinguist wrote:
<quoted text>
Two little boys in first grade were chosen to be the leads in their
first school play. It was to be a Shakespearean play.
The first little boy was to say, "My fair maiden....I have come to
snatch a kiss and fill your soul with hope."
The second little boy was to reply by saying, "Hark!, a pistol shot."
Well, on opening night in the school auditorium, the two little boys were a bit nervous, knowing that all the seats were going to be filled with grown-ups. The teacher told them to take their places on the stage and to remember to speak very loud as soon as the curtain goes up. The curtain rose and looking out upon the audience the two boys were terrified. They stood there frozen. So the teacher whispered for them to begin.
The first boy yelled out these unforgettable words....."My fair
maiden....I have come to kiss your snatch! And fill your hole with soap."
The second boy screams out....."Hark! a shistol pot, a postle shiss, a pot of shit... I never wanted to be in this lousy play anyway.
The audience left howling.
Our audience often leaves me howling!
I suspect Shakespeare himself would have ben rolling in the aisle.

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#76 May 15, 2013
Hang out with some Russians sometime and ask their opinion on Stalin and Lenin.

Lenin was actually an advocate for peace gaining power by propaganda fliers and rallies for the down trodden. Before the revolution there was no hope for anyone except the ultra wealthy. Lenin and Stalin arranged for every child to have a free education, free medical care, everyone had a job, there was no homeless people. For anything negative they did they also enriched the lives of hundreds of millions through the years.

Before the revolution sad to say few children even attended school and even fewer could read and write properly. Slavery was allowed under the label of life long servants.

Many died during the revolution because the wealthy paid the poor to fight for them or even sadder used the bible to push them into fighting with little to no weapons.

Interestingly enough guess what the big spark to the revolution was? The death of a peaceful protesting Priest and his church members by imperial forces.
NightSerf wrote:
The basic argument is, "The Soviets who wanted to eliminate religion committed crimes against humanity, therefore religions are based on reality." When stated so baldly, the fallacy (non sequitur) is so obvious that even those who are pushing it should be able to recognize its weakness. The other implicit non sequitur is, "Russian communists were evil, therefore all atheists are evil." But then, the object may be less to prove a point than to carry out an ongoing ad hominem, even if the correlation implied is obviously false.

At any rate, I tend to discount uncredited copy/paste posts (i.e. plagiarism) from "contributors" who cannot write coherent posts on their own.
Lincoln

United States

#77 May 15, 2013
EdSed wrote:
<quoted text>Thanks. Lincoln doesn't even take the point aobut links - which he has acknowledged. He's got nought.
aobut links
Lincoln

United States

#78 May 15, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Hang out with some Russians sometime and ask their opinion on Stalin and Lenin.
Lenin was actually an advocate for peace gaining power by propaganda fliers and rallies for the down trodden. Before the revolution there was no hope for anyone except the ultra wealthy. Lenin and Stalin arranged for every child to have a free education, free medical care, everyone had a job, there was no homeless people. For anything negative they did they also enriched the lives of hundreds of millions through the years.
Before the revolution sad to say few children even attended school and even fewer could read and write properly. Slavery was allowed under the label of life long servants.
Many died during the revolution because the wealthy paid the poor to fight for them or even sadder used the bible to push them into fighting with little to no weapons.
Interestingly enough guess what the big spark to the revolution was? The death of a peaceful protesting Priest and his church members by imperial forces.
<quoted text>
Hang out with some Russians ...who survived the purges.
Your post indicates you are a believer in Lenin and Stalin
LOL
LOL

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#79 May 15, 2013
Why not, but only if one believes that one can murder innocent people because his or her religion allows for this sort of behavior. We should have no patience for this, since it has no place
in society. Those who suffer from mental ills of this kind should be put out of their misery asap.
downhill246

West Palm Beach, FL

#80 May 15, 2013
What strikes me as a bit weird is the 2008 Pew Forum Survey that says 21% of those people that claim to be atheists and 55% of those that claim to be agnostics believe in a Higher power. In addition 66% of the secular unaffiliated and 94% of the religious unaffiliated also believe in a Higher power.

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/06/23/new-pew...

"The Pew researchers also stated that of the 7% of Americans who were raised unaffiliated, only half remained unaffiliated as adults. "Only Jehovah's Witness has a lower retention rate," says Pew analyst Gregory Smith. Unlike the disillusioned Catholics and Protestants who fled organized religion, these new adherents tend to see the positive aspects of being affiliated with a religious institution. When asked for the main reason they joined their current religion, 33% of the formerly unaffiliated cited the benefits of being spiritually and socially connected to a community, and 20% said it was a choice driven by personal spirituality and a sense that something was missing from their life."
downhill246

Pompano Beach, FL

#81 May 15, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Which is why he needs to start citing his sources that he uses with proper links.
I notice his lack of English comprehension missed the part where it says religion continued on throughout the so called atheist Soviet Union and members being able to worship in their homes and churches.
The Orthodox Church flourished quite well during the soviet years even having their churches renovated and new churches built free of charge.
I have several russian friends here and they having actually lived during the soviet times have a much different take on the events. But hey, why listen to people who actually lived during it right? What could they contribute to the subject?
Lol :))
<quoted text>
The Soviet Union had a long history of state atheism,[10] in which social success largely required individuals to profess atheism, stay away from churches and even vandalize them; this attitude was especially militant during the middle Stalinist era from 1929-1939. The Russian Orthodox Church, which had 54,000 parishes before World War I, was reduced to 500 by 1940.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_atheism
downhill246

Pompano Beach, FL

#82 May 15, 2013
bobob wrote:
Why not, but only if one believes that one can murder innocent people because his or her religion allows for this sort of behavior. We should have no patience for this, since it has no place
in society. Those who suffer from mental ills of this kind should be put out of their misery asap.
"Just who has imposed on the suffering human race poison gas, barbed wire, high explosives ,experiments in eugenics, the formula for Zyklon B, heavy artillery, pseudo -scientific justification for mass murder, cluster bombs, attack submarines, napalm, intercontinental ballistic missiles, military space platforms, and nuclear weapons?
If memory serves, it was not the Vatican."

David Berlinski, PH.D from Princeton

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