Why Atheism Will Replace Religion

Aug 27, 2012 Full story: News24 14,477

Please note that for this article "Atheism" also includes agnostics, deists, pagans, wiccans... in other words non-religious.

You will notice this is a statement of fact. And to be fact it is supported by evidence (see references below). Now you can have "faith" that this is not true, but by the very definition of faith, that is just wishful thinking. Full Story

“Blue Collar Philosopher”

Since: Nov 08

Texas, USA

#14696 Sep 19, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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I think we have said enough about each other.
This is the "most civil way" of abusing each other and say what we can say, while still using "parliamentary language".
Let us move on, should we not?
Calling someone a "fool" for using a Dictionary? "Cherry picking" Dictionary entries? LOL. You and your buddy Zit have serious issues.

“Liberty & Justice For All”

Since: Aug 11

United States of America

#14697 Sep 19, 2013
RHill wrote:
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Not sure the point. Dredging up grist for your hate mills? There seems to be an industry built around it.
The point is your absurd denial that atheism had anything to do with the Marxist-Leninist communist revolutions which murdered over 80 million people in Russia and between 180 and 240 million people world wide.

The point is your absurd denial that Russian Jewish atheists executed the Czar, his wife & children, millions of Russian Christians and Muslims, and millions of Ukranian Christians--even when it is Jewish historians who verify these facts.

The point is whenever you are confronted with facts and your false allegations are proven wrong you retreat from reality to your little fantasy world of subjective mental constructs.

It's clear you're only interested in grist for your own " I-theist " hate mill against Christians and Muslims.....

“Liberty & Justice For All”

Since: Aug 11

United States of America

#14698 Sep 19, 2013
RHill wrote:
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Okay. How about this:
"The main religions of pre-revolutionary Russia persisted throughout the entire Soviet period, but they were only tolerated within certain limits. Generally, this meant that believers were free to worship in private and in their respective religious buildings (churches, mosques, etc.), but public displays of religion outside of such designated areas were prohibited."
<from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_... ;
Sorry, but that doesn't sound that monstrous to me. Fact remains that Atheism is NOT A DEFINING CHARACTERISTIC OF BEING COMMUNIST.
This is from YOUR link:

"The Soviet Union was the first state to have, as an ideological objective, the elimination of religion and its replacement with universal atheism. The communist regime confiscated religious property, ridiculed religion, harassed believers, and propagated atheism in schools. The confiscation of religious assets was often based on accusations of illegal accumulation of wealth.

The vast majority of people in the Russian empire were, at the time of the revolution, religious believers, whereas the communists aimed to break the power of all religious institutions and eventually replace religious belief with atheism. "Science" was counterposed to "religious superstition" in the media and in academic writing. The main religions of pre-revolutionary Russia persisted throughout the entire Soviet period, but they were only tolerated within certain limits. Generally, this meant that believers were free to worship in private and in their respective religious buildings (churches, mosques, etc.), but public displays of religion outside of such designated areas were prohibited. In addition, religious institutions were not allowed to express their views in any type of mass media, and many religious buildings were demolished or used for other purposes.

State atheism in the Soviet Union was known as gosateizm, and was based on the ideology of Marxism–Leninism. As the founder of the Soviet state, V. I. Lenin, put it:

"Religion is the opium of the people: this saying of Marx is the cornerstone of the entire ideology of Marxism about religion. All modern religions and churches, all and of every kind of religious organizations are always considered by Marxism as the organs of bourgeois reaction, used for the protection of the exploitation and the stupefaction of the working class."

Marxist–Leninist atheism has consistently advocated the control, suppression, and elimination of religion. Within about a year of the revolution, the state expropriated all church property, including the churches themselves, and in the period from 1922 to 1926, 28 Russian Orthodox bishops and more than 1,200 priests were killed. Many more were persecuted."

Ya must have missed that part, huh?

“Blue Collar Philosopher”

Since: Nov 08

Texas, USA

#14699 Sep 19, 2013
ezdzit wrote:
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The point is your absurd denial that atheism had anything to do with the Marxist-Leninist communist revolutions which murdered over 80 million people in Russia and between 180 and 240 million people world wide.
The point is your absurd denial that Russian Jewish atheists executed the Czar, his wife & children, millions of Russian Christians and Muslims, and millions of Ukranian Christians--even when it is Jewish historians who verify these facts.
The point is whenever you are confronted with facts and your false allegations are proven wrong you retreat from reality to your little fantasy world of subjective mental constructs.
It's clear you're only interested in grist for your own " I-theist " hate mill against Christians and Muslims.....
Everyone knows the commies 'were atheist' I'm merely trying demonstrate that it was/is not a defining characteristic.

I have never heard "Russian Jewish Atheist" used as descriptive of a portion of the Russian population or active in their Revolution. I thought the Czar's executioners were Bolsheviks, which this link, " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolshevik" ; does not identify them as "Russian Jewish Atheists" either. I have good reason to suspect "Russian Jewish Atheist" is your own, personal, little hate sandwich.

I am Human, after all. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

“Blue Collar Philosopher”

Since: Nov 08

Texas, USA

#14700 Sep 19, 2013
ezdzit wrote:
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This is from YOUR link:
"The Soviet Union was the first state to have, as an ideological objective, the elimination of religion and its replacement with universal atheism. The communist regime confiscated religious property, ridiculed religion, harassed believers, and propagated atheism in schools. The confiscation of religious assets was often based on accusations of illegal accumulation of wealth.
The vast majority of people in the Russian empire were, at the time of the revolution, religious believers, whereas the communists aimed to break the power of all religious institutions and eventually replace religious belief with atheism. "Science" was counterposed to "religious superstition" in the media and in academic writing. The main religions of pre-revolutionary Russia persisted throughout the entire Soviet period, but they were only tolerated within certain limits. Generally, this meant that believers were free to worship in private and in their respective religious buildings (churches, mosques, etc.), but public displays of religion outside of such designated areas were prohibited. In addition, religious institutions were not allowed to express their views in any type of mass media, and many religious buildings were demolished or used for other purposes.
State atheism in the Soviet Union was known as gosateizm, and was based on the ideology of Marxism–Leninism. As the founder of the Soviet state, V. I. Lenin, put it:
"Religion is the opium of the people: this saying of Marx is the cornerstone of the entire ideology of Marxism about religion. All modern religions and churches, all and of every kind of religious organizations are always considered by Marxism as the organs of bourgeois reaction, used for the protection of the exploitation and the stupefaction of the working class."
Marxist–Leninist atheism has consistently advocated the control, suppression, and elimination of religion. Within about a year of the revolution, the state expropriated all church property, including the churches themselves, and in the period from 1922 to 1926, 28 Russian Orthodox bishops and more than 1,200 priests were killed. Many more were persecuted."
Ya must have missed that part, huh?
YOU are seriously a POT calling a KETTLE black. LOL. The same article goes on to talk about: the Russian Orthodox Church, the Georgian Orthodox Church, the Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church, the Armenian Apostolic Church, the Roman Catholic Church, the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church, Protestants, other Christian groups and Islam and their density and distribution throughout the Soviet Union. Did you, uh, miss that part? Sounds like the Russkies had a little Religion Infestation of their own but actually grew the gonads to do something about it.

“Liberty & Justice For All”

Since: Aug 11

United States of America

#14701 Sep 19, 2013
RHill wrote:
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Everyone knows the commies 'were atheist' I'm merely trying demonstrate that it was/is not a defining characteristic.
I have never heard "Russian Jewish Atheist" used as descriptive of a portion of the Russian population or active in their Revolution. I thought the Czar's executioners were Bolsheviks, which this link, " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolshevik" ; does not identify them as "Russian Jewish Atheists" either. I have good reason to suspect "Russian Jewish Atheist" is your own, personal, little hate sandwich.
I am Human, after all. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
Not just atheism but militant atheism was THE defining characteristic of all communist revolutions of the 20th century.

Never heard of a Russian Jewish atheist? I've already posted the wikipedia link stating that half the population of Israel self-identifiies as Jewish atheist--several times. Here it is again, bubba:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_atheism

"Why so many Jews are atheists?"

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-380...

List of well known Jewish atheists including the founder of the Zionist movement to steal Palestine from the native Palestinians:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Jewish_...

In 1920, Winston Churchill's famous article on the Russian Jewish atheists involved in the Bolshevik revolution was published in the Sunday Herald:

".....There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism and in the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution by these international and for the most part atheistical Jews. It is certainly a very great one; it probably outweighs all others. With the notable exception of Lenin, the majority of the leading figures are Jews. Moreover, the principal inspiration and driving power comes from the Jewish leaders. Thus Tchitcherin, a pure Russian, is eclipsed by his nominal subordinate Litvinoff, and the influence of Russians like Bukharin or Lunacharski cannot be compared with the power of Trotsky, or of Zinovieff, the Dictator of the Red Citadel (Petrograd), or of Krassin or Radek – all Jews. In the Soviet institutions the predominance of Jews is even more astonishing. And the prominent, if not indeed the principal, part in the system of terrorism applied by the Extraordinary Commissions for Combating Counter-Revolution has been taken by Jews, and in some notable cases by Jewesses. The same evil prominence was obtained by Jews in the brief period of terror during which Bela Kun ruled in Hungary. The same phenomenon has been presented in Germany (especially in Bavaria), so far as this madness has been allowed to prey upon the temporary prostration of the German people. Although in all these countries there are many non-Jews every whit as bad as the worst of the Jewish revolutionaries, the part played by the latter in proportion to their numbers in the population is astonishing...."

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Zionism_versus_...

“Liberty & Justice For All”

Since: Aug 11

United States of America

#14702 Sep 19, 2013
RHill wrote:
<quoted text>..... Sounds like the Russkies had a little Religion Infestation of their own but actually grew the gonads to do something about it.
It's interesting that you admire the courage of the Russian atheists who murdered tens of hundreds of UNARMED Christian priests in cold blood.

And then you wonder why people don't trust atheists....?

“Blue Collar Philosopher”

Since: Nov 08

Texas, USA

#14703 Sep 19, 2013
ezdzit wrote:
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Not just atheism but militant atheism was THE defining characteristic of all communist revolutions of the 20th century.
Never heard of a Russian Jewish atheist? I've already posted the wikipedia link stating that half the population of Israel self-identifiies as Jewish atheist--several times. Here it is again, bubba:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_atheism
"Why so many Jews are atheists?"
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-380...
List of well known Jewish atheists including the founder of the Zionist movement to steal Palestine from the native Palestinians:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Jewish_...
In 1920, Winston Churchill's famous article on the Russian Jewish atheists involved in the Bolshevik revolution was published in the Sunday Herald:
".....There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism and in the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution by these international and for the most part atheistical Jews. It is certainly a very great one; it probably outweighs all others. With the notable exception of Lenin, the majority of the leading figures are Jews. Moreover, the principal inspiration and driving power comes from the Jewish leaders. Thus Tchitcherin, a pure Russian, is eclipsed by his nominal subordinate Litvinoff, and the influence of Russians like Bukharin or Lunacharski cannot be compared with the power of Trotsky, or of Zinovieff, the Dictator of the Red Citadel (Petrograd), or of Krassin or Radek – all Jews. In the Soviet institutions the predominance of Jews is even more astonishing. And the prominent, if not indeed the principal, part in the system of terrorism applied by the Extraordinary Commissions for Combating Counter-Revolution has been taken by Jews, and in some notable cases by Jewesses. The same evil prominence was obtained by Jews in the brief period of terror during which Bela Kun ruled in Hungary. The same phenomenon has been presented in Germany (especially in Bavaria), so far as this madness has been allowed to prey upon the temporary prostration of the German people. Although in all these countries there are many non-Jews every whit as bad as the worst of the Jewish revolutionaries, the part played by the latter in proportion to their numbers in the population is astonishing...."
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Zionism_versus_...
One reason there are so many Jewish Atheists might be because they are not stupid. The more Atheists the better, I say!

Okay. I'm really getting bored with the Zionist Russian Jewish Bolshevik Satanist Atheist stuff. I got it. You don't like a lot of people. Enough already.

“Blue Collar Philosopher”

Since: Nov 08

Texas, USA

#14704 Sep 19, 2013
ezdzit wrote:
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It's interesting that you admire the courage of the Russian atheists who murdered tens of hundreds of UNARMED Christian priests in cold blood.
And then you wonder why people don't trust atheists....?
I was talking about their exerting 'control' over religion via limiting the numbers of churches, public displays of religion, etc. I abhor violence and bloodshed. But, take it any way you wish .. das macht mir nichts aus!
Thinking

UK

#14705 Sep 20, 2013
Still a brilliant film though. My wife watches it every Christmas.
RHill wrote:
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That sux. I really liked the part where Alex Guinness gave The Girl that ukelele thing.
Thinking

UK

#14706 Sep 20, 2013
I couldn't give a sh!t about your jewish hang ups, blubber.
Dr Zhivago's a great film, whatever your background.
If only you could rise above your prejudice!
ezdzit wrote:
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No comment on the Israeli Jew who wrote the Ynet article on Stalin's lying, thierving, murdering
Jews?
You ignorant atheist bubbas are such a hoot......

“Blue Collar Philosopher”

Since: Nov 08

Texas, USA

#14708 Sep 20, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Still a brilliant film though. My wife watches it every Christmas.
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I sort of 'grew up' with that movie. My older brother certainly loved it. He had the soundtrack album and played it all the time. It is and will remain one of the greatest films of all time.
Thinking

UK

#14709 Sep 20, 2013
Ramen to that!
RHill wrote:
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I sort of 'grew up' with that movie. My older brother certainly loved it. He had the soundtrack album and played it all the time. It is and will remain one of the greatest films of all time.

“Liberty & Justice For All”

Since: Aug 11

United States of America

#14710 Sep 20, 2013
RHill wrote:
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One reason there are so many Jewish Atheists might be because they are not stupid. The more Atheists the better, I say!
Okay. I'm really getting bored with the Zionist Russian Jewish Bolshevik Satanist Atheist stuff. I got it. You don't like a lot of people. Enough already.
LOL Never claimed Jewish atheists were stupid. Your words, your straw man--not mine.

On the contrary, it took smarts for a bunch of lying, thieving, murdering Jewish atheists to design and implement a successful propaganda campaign that conned hundreds of millions of ignorant people into believing the lie that Jewish atheists are "God's chosen people" and they have a "God given right" to murder and rob Palestinians. It took smarts for the Russian Jewish mafia to set up a successful global sales/distribution network for child porn, snuff films, prostitution, illegal drugs, money laundering, contract killings, body parts, etc. And, to set up a sovereign country like Israel to protect themselves from arrest, extradition, and prosecution for their crimes....that's really took smarts, bubba.

LOL Is "bored" bubba-speak for you can't handle the fact that ALL of your false claims about atheism's "minor role" in the 20th century's communist revolutions have been proved wrong? Be sure to let us know when you finally get "bored" with making up false claims to bash Muslims and Christians.....



“Blue Collar Philosopher”

Since: Nov 08

Texas, USA

#14711 Sep 20, 2013
ezdzit wrote:
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LOL Never claimed Jewish atheists were stupid. Your words, your straw man--not mine.
On the contrary, it took smarts for a bunch of lying, thieving, murdering Jewish atheists to design and implement a successful propaganda campaign that conned hundreds of millions of ignorant people into believing the lie that Jewish atheists are "God's chosen people" and they have a "God given right" to murder and rob Palestinians. It took smarts for the Russian Jewish mafia to set up a successful global sales/distribution network for child porn, snuff films, prostitution, illegal drugs, money laundering, contract killings, body parts, etc. And, to set up a sovereign country like Israel to protect themselves from arrest, extradition, and prosecution for their crimes....that's really took smarts, bubba.
LOL Is "bored" bubba-speak for you can't handle the fact that ALL of your false claims about atheism's "minor role" in the 20th century's communist revolutions have been proved wrong? Be sure to let us know when you finally get "bored" with making up false claims to bash Muslims and Christians.....
I give up. I'll start bashing Jews, Muslims and Christians. You win.
Calypso17

Hempstead, NY

#14712 Sep 20, 2013
ezdzit wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL Never claimed Jewish atheists were stupid. Your words, your straw man--not mine.
On the contrary, it took smarts for a bunch of lying, thieving, murdering Jewish atheists to design and implement a successful propaganda campaign that conned hundreds of millions of ignorant people into believing the lie that Jewish atheists are "God's chosen people" and they have a "God given right" to murder and rob Palestinians. It took smarts for the Russian Jewish mafia to set up a successful global sales/distribution network for child porn, snuff films, prostitution, illegal drugs, money laundering, contract killings, body parts, etc. And, to set up a sovereign country like Israel to protect themselves from arrest, extradition, and prosecution for their crimes....that's really took smarts, bubba.
LOL Is "bored" bubba-speak for you can't handle the fact that ALL of your false claims about atheism's "minor role" in the 20th century's communist revolutions have been proved wrong? Be sure to let us know when you finally get "bored" with making up false claims to bash Muslims and Christians.....
You are a religious, bigoted, hater who spews unsubstantiated propaganda. You live in a mythological fantasy world that justifies intolerance and slaughter; and you are the "religious one" in the debate?
Thinking

UK

#14713 Sep 20, 2013
Your prejudice has scarred you.

NELI, blubber.
ezdzit wrote:
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LOL Never claimed Jewish atheists were stupid. Your words, your straw man--not mine.
On the contrary, it took smarts for a bunch of lying, thieving, murdering Jewish atheists to design and implement a successful propaganda campaign that conned hundreds of millions of ignorant people into believing the lie that Jewish atheists are "God's chosen people" and they have a "God given right" to murder and rob Palestinians. It took smarts for the Russian Jewish mafia to set up a successful global sales/distribution network for child porn, snuff films, prostitution, illegal drugs, money laundering, contract killings, body parts, etc. And, to set up a sovereign country like Israel to protect themselves from arrest, extradition, and prosecution for their crimes....that's really took smarts, bubba.
LOL Is "bored" bubba-speak for you can't handle the fact that ALL of your false claims about atheism's "minor role" in the 20th century's communist revolutions have been proved wrong? Be sure to let us know when you finally get "bored" with making up false claims to bash Muslims and Christians.....

“Liberty & Justice For All”

Since: Aug 11

United States of America

#14714 Sep 20, 2013
Israel’s Hasbara Handbook instructs its “internet soldiers” on attacking the messenger and avoiding the message at all costs ‘in ways that engage the emotions, and downplay rationality, in an attempt to promote’ their cause.

In a section entitled ‘Name Calling,’ Israel's Jewish Agency writes,‘Creating negative connotations by name calling is done to try and get the audience to reject a person or idea on the basis of negative associations, without allowing a real examination of that person or idea."

Israel’s “internet soldiers” like “Thinking” and "Calypso 17" have been trained to personally attack, stalk, and harass anyone personally that does not agree with Israel’s propagada in general or its anti-Muslim campaign.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php...

“Blue Collar Philosopher”

Since: Nov 08

Texas, USA

#14715 Sep 20, 2013
ezdzit wrote:
Israel’s Hasbara Handbook instructs its “internet soldiers” on attacking the messenger and avoiding the message at all costs ‘in ways that engage the emotions, and downplay rationality, in an attempt to promote’ their cause.
In a section entitled ‘Name Calling,’ Israel's Jewish Agency writes,‘Creating negative connotations by name calling is done to try and get the audience to reject a person or idea on the basis of negative associations, without allowing a real examination of that person or idea."
Israel’s “internet soldiers” like “Thinking” and "Calypso 17" have been trained to personally attack, stalk, and harass anyone personally that does not agree with Israel’s propagada in general or its anti-Muslim campaign.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php...
Okay. So Israel's fearsome Hasbara Internet Warriors need special lessons on "Name Calling"? This is the same Internet I get right? The one chock full 'o Islamic Jihadists beheading their bound prisoners before cheering crowd videos? Nobody needs to mount an "anti-Muslim campaign" Blubber. You are Blubber right? Friends call ya 'Zit'? The same guy that vomited out this hate filled rant ...

"On the contrary, it took smarts for a bunch of lying, thieving, murdering Jewish atheists to design and implement a successful propaganda campaign that conned hundreds of millions of ignorant people into believing the lie that Jewish atheists are "God's chosen people" and they have a "God given right" to murder and rob Palestinians. It took smarts for the Russian Jewish mafia to set up a successful global sales/distribution network for child porn, snuff films, prostitution, illegal drugs, money laundering, contract killings, body parts, etc. And, to set up a sovereign country like Israel to protect themselves from arrest, extradition, and prosecution for their crimes....that's really took smarts, bubba."

What are you anyway Blubber? With your "Liberty and Justice for All", your Red, White & Blue and your "United States of America" location? Were you educated in this country? I don't think you are being completely honest with us. Some kind of Indian/Muslim Agent Provocateur? Who wrote your Handbook?
RIP

Scotts Valley, CA

#14716 Sep 20, 2013
How come idiots always have to say the truth hurts?

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