Why Atheism Will Replace Religion

Why Atheism Will Replace Religion

There are 14730 comments on the News24 story from Aug 27, 2012, titled Why Atheism Will Replace Religion. In it, News24 reports that:

Please note that for this article "Atheism" also includes agnostics, deists, pagans, wiccans... in other words non-religious.

You will notice this is a statement of fact. And to be fact it is supported by evidence (see references below). Now you can have "faith" that this is not true, but by the very definition of faith, that is just wishful thinking.

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“Blue Collar Philosopher”

Since: Nov 08

Texas, USA

#14493 Sep 9, 2013
LCNLin wrote:
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"We have nothing to prove." ;-)
We notice the lack of proof in the atheist religion
I have just as much "proof" as you have.

I look around and everything I see is "proof" that Big Bangs happen, stars condense, elements form, life arises, it grows belly buttons, lint accumulates ... it all follows and seems quite prosaic.

You look around, see the same stuff and figure some deity must have shat it all out. You find the miraculous in every near miss, spontaneous remission or glorious sunset, while explaining away the bad things with "his mysterious ways". Lint is created as people's souls depart and it gathers under beds and in belly buttons 'cause that's the way the good Lord intended it!

Both 'world views' are capable of delivering us to the prize ... a painless death surrounded by our loved ones. Mine promises rest, in yours you get to keep on worshiping this creature who did this to us. No, thanks! You can have it.

“Liberty & Justice For All”

Since: Aug 11

United States of America

#14494 Sep 9, 2013
RHill wrote:
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We have nothing to prove. You, on the other hand, claim something HUGE, MAGNIFICENT, OMNIPOTENT, OMNIPRESENT, OMNISCIENT, WORTHY OF WORSHIP, AWE, REVERENCE ... and you can't produce. All you got are some ancient books, anecdotes and little voices whispering in your head.
I said the omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent spirit in every particle of everything in the universe is the ONE, aka Lord of Creation, Allah, God, the Supreme Being, Brahman, the Cosmic Consciousness, the Unconditioned Element, etc, etc, etc.....humans have given God hundreds of names over the milliniums. Now quantum physics has added a new name to the list--Higgs Field--the name for that which is omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent, invisible, and “magically” gives mass, i.e. LIFE, to all elementary particles--without which absolutely nothing would exist.

The words “HUGE, MAGNIFICENT.....WORTHY OF WORSHIP, AWE, REVERENCE” are your words, your straw man, not mine.
RHill wrote:
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The "Atheist Philosophy" is proven every morning, when you wake up and the same old wicked world is still stumbling along. The only end in sight is our over-burdened world choking to death on the effluents from our 'go forth and multiply' population you godbots can't seem to control. Your god and your religion have "COLOSSAL FAIL" stamped in bright red letters on your foreheads but y'all keep scratching and biting at the very people trying to save you. Makes me sad.
I don’t wake up every morning to the world you described. That’s YOUR mental construct of YOUR own view of reality--not mine. I see the mess we humans have made of the world, and it is sad, but I also see in the ice core graphs that God has intervened to give us one last chance to “get it right” and save the planet as well as ourselves. And, I still have hope that those of us who recognize and have taken advantage of this last chance will be able to make a difference.
Brit Expat

Allègre, France

#14496 Sep 9, 2013
Well! If it does'nt very soon. The Human monkey can look forward to joining the Dinosaurs down the pan.

The dinosaurs managed to survive for 100 million years.

The human monkey? 100 thousand years? That's optimistic.

100's of religions, 1000's of sects. I detect no intelligence there.

Cyril aged 83.

“Blue Collar Philosopher”

Since: Nov 08

Texas, USA

#14497 Sep 9, 2013
ezdzit wrote:
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I said the omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent spirit in every particle of everything in the universe is the ONE, aka Lord of Creation, Allah, God, the Supreme Being, Brahman, the Cosmic Consciousness, the Unconditioned Element, etc, etc, etc.....humans have given God hundreds of names over the milliniums. Now quantum physics has added a new name to the list--Higgs Field--the name for that which is omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent, invisible, and “magically” gives mass, i.e. LIFE, to all elementary particles--without which absolutely nothing would exist.
The words “HUGE, MAGNIFICENT.....WORTHY OF WORSHIP, AWE, REVERENCE” are your words, your straw man, not mine.
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I don’t wake up every morning to the world you described. That’s YOUR mental construct of YOUR own view of reality--not mine. I see the mess we humans have made of the world, and it is sad, but I also see in the ice core graphs that God has intervened to give us one last chance to “get it right” and save the planet as well as ourselves. And, I still have hope that those of us who recognize and have taken advantage of this last chance will be able to make a difference.
So you think "the omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent spirit in every particle of everything in the universe is the ONE ...". All these particles are connected how exactly? Some kinda secret mojo too weird for us Humans to detect or understand if we did I suppose. They're all connected across the billions of light years by some 'force' not constrained by the speed of light? It's one thing to suppose some 'force' or 'field' unifying all the 'stuff' in the Universe, proposing that it's sentient (or all powerful) is going out on real fantasy limb.

BTW ... I don't 'do' strawman BS ... hell, I don't even know for sure what you're talking about.

Godbots say their god is all those things, I was trying to emphasize how 'odd' that something so SUPER DUPER can hide so well.

The whole POINT of all this is that there is a REALITY not subject to anyone's 'mental construct'. It did, it is and it will continue to exist whether there's any Humans around to mentally construct anything. Science helps us understand this reality and it's the only one that matters. It's the only one I am vaguely curious about. I totally agree that your "Cosmic Consciousness" and/or the other 9 billion names of God are 'mental constructs' and not particularly creative ones. You can call it what you want, you can try and tie it into the outer realms of particle physics ... it's your 'mental construct' and you can do with it what you will. But it has NO MEANING or quantifiable existence outside the confines of your own skull. Not different in any meaningful way from the 'mental constructs' of all your other godbot pals alive or dead. It's good that you are trying to paint the same old fence with bold new colors and the latest paint formulas, but underneath, it's the same old song and dance!!!

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#14498 Sep 9, 2013
ezdzit wrote:
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LOL You ignorant atheist bubbas are such a hoot....
Not surprising, no counter .

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#14499 Sep 9, 2013
LCNLin wrote:
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poor attempt at atheism
<laughing>
Try for a sentence, a statement or an actual thought.
LCNLin

Brooksville, FL

#14500 Sep 9, 2013
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>Try for a sentence, a statement or an actual thought.
Evangelical atheist who trolls internet sites denouncing God, Christians and religion!
Rational people understand that the claim "There are no absolutes" is a self-defeating statement.
Evangelistic atheists?
Not so much.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#14501 Sep 9, 2013
LCNLin wrote:
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Evangelical atheist who trolls internet sites denouncing God, Christians and religion!
Rational people understand that the claim "There are no absolutes" is a self-defeating statement.
Evangelistic atheists?
Not so much.
Well, that made not a whit of sense, but you almost completed one thought.
Thinking

Royston, UK

#14502 Sep 10, 2013
Lincock v1.0 just failed another Turing test.
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>Well, that made not a whit of sense, but you almost completed one thought.
Dak-Original

London, UK

#14503 Sep 10, 2013
Brit Expat wrote:
Well! If it does'nt very soon. The Human monkey can look forward to joining the Dinosaurs down the pan.
The dinosaurs managed to survive for 100 million years.
The human monkey? 100 thousand years? That's optimistic.
100's of religions, 1000's of sects. I detect no intelligence there.
Cyril aged 83.
Hey BE, your post is apt but Homo Sapiens (your "Human Monkey") has been about 200,000 at the most but most successful Humanoid (excluding long distance cousins like chimps and greater apes) species to date was Homo Erectus as Homo Erectus lasted for just over 1 million years. We, as species, may or may not have descended from that Homo Erectus. I doubt that we will match Homo Erectus in longeivity tables. Technologically, Homo Sapiens is highly succesful and it may be there there is no species in near universes which stumbled into or achieved such situation for many light years. Or else, there would be some indication via signals.
I like your posts!
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#14504 Sep 10, 2013
Brit Expat wrote:
Well! If it does'nt very soon. The Human monkey can look forward to joining the Dinosaurs down the pan.
The dinosaurs managed to survive for 100 million years.
The human monkey? 100 thousand years? That's optimistic.
100's of religions, 1000's of sects. I detect no intelligence there.
Cyril aged 83.
I think modern humans will not only outlive the dinosaurs but will develop technology to leave this planet one day. That is where our focus should be and not on some daft, religious armageddon.

Religion = superstition

“Liberty & Justice For All”

Since: Aug 11

United States of America

#14506 Sep 10, 2013
RHill wrote:
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All these particles are connected how exactly? Some kinda secret mojo too weird for us Humans to detect or understand if we did I suppose. They're all connected across the billions of light years by some 'force' not constrained by the speed of light?
The universe is a sea of energy particles which connects everything, holds the planets in their orbits, etc, etc, etc, How it does this will likely be the subject of hundreds of new theories. Exciting stuff. Stay tuned...
RHill wrote:
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It's one thing to suppose some 'force' or 'field' unifying all the 'stuff' in the Universe, proposing that it's sentient (or all powerful) is going out on real fantasy limb.


Not just “sentient” but OMNISCIENT. As in “not a single sparrow can fall to the ground” without God knowing it.
RHill wrote:
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BTW ... I don't 'do' strawman BS ... hell, I don't even know for sure what you're talking about.


LOL Yeah, you do. In fact, you “do” strawman a lot.
RHill wrote:
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Godbots say their god is all those things, I was trying to emphasize how 'odd' that something so SUPER DUPER can hide so well.


Hide? Not only Jesus, but every prophet, buddha and every holy man from every religious tradition have all taught that only the PURE in heart shall see God.
RHill wrote:
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The whole POINT of all this is that there is a REALITY not subject to anyone's 'mental construct'. It did, it is and it will continue to exist whether there's any Humans around to mentally construct anything. Science helps us understand this reality and it's the only one that matters. It's the only one I am vaguely curious about. I totally agree that your "Cosmic Consciousness" and/or the other 9 billion names of God are 'mental constructs' and not particularly creative ones. You can call it what you want, you can try and tie it into the outer realms of particle physics ... it's your 'mental construct' and you can do with it what you will. But it has NO MEANING or quantifiable existence outside the confines of your own skull. Not different in any meaningful way from the 'mental constructs' of all your other godbot pals alive or dead. It's good that you are trying to paint the same old fence with bold new colors and the latest paint formulas, but underneath, it's the same old song and dance!!!


I agree that REALITY is not subject to anyone's 'mental construct'. The Higgs Field is REALITY. It exists, it gives mass, i.e. LIFE, to elementary particles and without it, absolutely nothing would exist. Some things are true despite the fact that you can’t wrap your mind around them or incorporate them into your personal mental construct of reality....

“Blue Collar Philosopher”

Since: Nov 08

Texas, USA

#14507 Sep 10, 2013
ezdzit wrote:
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The universe is a sea of energy particles which connects everything, holds the planets in their orbits, etc, etc, etc, How it does this will likely be the subject of hundreds of new theories. Exciting stuff. Stay tuned...
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Not just “sentient” but OMNISCIENT. As in “not a single sparrow can fall to the ground” without God knowing it.
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LOL Yeah, you do. In fact, you “do” strawman a lot.
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Hide? Not only Jesus, but every prophet, buddha and every holy man from every religious tradition have all taught that only the PURE in heart shall see God.
<quoted text>
I agree that REALITY is not subject to anyone's 'mental construct'. The Higgs Field is REALITY. It exists, it gives mass, i.e. LIFE, to elementary particles and without it, absolutely nothing would exist. Some things are true despite the fact that you can’t wrap your mind around them or incorporate them into your personal mental construct of reality....
Yeah ... it's called gravity and it's everywhere but not very omniscient.

He's not 'hiding' but you gotta have a "pure" heart. Hmmmmm. Don't seem to mind me using his Higg's Field or gravitons or any of what you say are his constituent bits.

I'm not trained, versed or particularly interested in the Art of Deception ... er, Argument. Like you, I just call 'em like I see 'em. Your Sky Daddy would seem the ultimate Strawman.

I believe in physics ... it's the "not just “sentient” but OMNISCIENT" attributes your personal 'mental construct' assigns these inanimate objects where we part company.
LCNLin

Brooksville, FL

#14508 Sep 10, 2013
RHill wrote:
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Yeah ... it's called gravity and it's everywhere but not very omniscient.
He's not 'hiding' but you gotta have a "pure" heart. Hmmmmm. Don't seem to mind me using his Higg's Field or gravitons or any of what you say are his constituent bits.
I'm not trained, versed or particularly interested in the Art of Deception ... er, Argument. Like you, I just call 'em like I see 'em. Your Sky Daddy would seem the ultimate Strawman.
I believe in physics ... it's the "not just “sentient” but OMNISCIENT" attributes your personal 'mental construct' assigns these inanimate objects where we part company.
amusing unsupported generalizations ;-)

“Blue Collar Philosopher”

Since: Nov 08

Texas, USA

#14509 Sep 10, 2013
LCNLin wrote:
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amusing unsupported generalizations ;-)
I see no need to support with Academic precision, links or references that information which is readily available and verifiable via Internet tools only a few 'clicks' away from any of us. What we have here is an opportunity to offer "generalizations" seasoned with our unique perspectives and experience. Personal 'thoughts' that would have otherwise been lost can now be injected into a collective 'mind' that has never existed before. I swear I've heard echoes from things we discuss on Topix repeated from the mouths of news analysts and politicians. I believe they 'mine' sites like this for insights they are quite incapable of forming the old fashion way ... like thinking!

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#14510 Sep 10, 2013
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Hide? Not only Jesus, but every prophet, buddha and every holy man from every religious tradition have all taught that only the PURE in heart shall see God.
<quoted text>

No one is PURE in heart.

“Blue Collar Philosopher”

Since: Nov 08

Texas, USA

#14511 Sep 10, 2013
I_see_you wrote:
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Hide? Not only Jesus, but every prophet, buddha and every holy man from every religious tradition have all taught that only the PURE in heart shall see God.
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No one is PURE in heart.
I BEG YOUR PARDON!!! The 'enlightened' are or else they couldn't have gone and got themselves all enlightened up!'Course, an ego the size of the Virgo Super-cluster don't hurt!

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#14512 Sep 10, 2013
RHill wrote:
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I BEG YOUR PARDON!!! The 'enlightened' are or else they couldn't have gone and got themselves all enlightened up!'Course, an ego the size of the Virgo Super-cluster don't hurt!
lol... not even the enlightened... ;) Good way of phrasing that "enlightened up" hehehe

“Liberty & Justice For All”

Since: Aug 11

United States of America

#14514 Sep 10, 2013
RHill wrote:
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Yeah ... it's called gravity and it's everywhere but not very omniscient.
He's not 'hiding' but you gotta have a "pure" heart. Hmmmmm. Don't seem to mind me using his Higg's Field or gravitons or any of what you say are his constituent bits.
I'm not trained, versed or particularly interested in the Art of Deception ... er, Argument. Like you, I just call 'em like I see 'em. Your Sky Daddy would seem the ultimate Strawman.
I believe in physics ... it's the "not just “sentient” but OMNISCIENT" attributes your personal 'mental construct' assigns these inanimate objects where we part company.
LOL Snarky. Missed your nap?

Wrong. Gravity doesn't give mass to elementary particles and it certainly doesn’t exist everywhere in the universe.

Right. God is “not hiding but you gotta have a pure heart”.

Wrong. You don’t use the Higgs Field or gravitons or any “constituent bits”, bubba.

Wrong. Sentient entities do not evolve from non-sentient entities, therefore there are no non-sentient entities. Whitehead’s theory of consciousness, i.e. everything in the universe is sentient, is consistent with quantum physics theories. Didn’t you atheists get the memo?

“Blue Collar Philosopher”

Since: Nov 08

Texas, USA

#14515 Sep 10, 2013
ezdzit wrote:
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LOL Snarky. Missed your nap?
Wrong. Gravity doesn't give mass to elementary particles and it certainly doesn’t exist everywhere in the universe.
Right. God is “not hiding but you gotta have a pure heart”.
Wrong. You don’t use the Higgs Field or gravitons or any “constituent bits”, bubba.
Wrong. Sentient entities do not evolve from non-sentient entities, therefore there are no non-sentient entities. Whitehead’s theory of consciousness, i.e. everything in the universe is sentient, is consistent with quantum physics theories. Didn’t you atheists get the memo?
As a matter of fact, I did.

If it's matter or a component of matter it has mass and is therefore influenced by gravity. Inverse squares can become very small ... but they remain non-zero. There are no gravity-free zones in our Universe. I think you need to review some of your basics 'fore you start using the hard stuff.

The last Human with a 'pure' heart was Joan d'Arc or maybe Sister Mary Elephant. "
"

Uh, I did a little checking ... turns out I do use 'em ... all the time.

Look ... the Whitehead stuff ... somebody's pulling your leg. It's bogus. We're all living proof that sentience can 'evolve' or derive from non-living matter. It happened at least once and given the abundance of energy, time and the necessary chemicals, it's probably happened billions of times. Quantum Physics has nothing to do with it. QM was introduced to act as the "... baffle 'em with BS" part of that old saying. You're just soaking it up like a sponge. Poor devil. Hey! I got some 'beach front' property in Florida if you're interested!

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