Why Atheism Will Replace Religion

Why Atheism Will Replace Religion

There are 14735 comments on the News24 story from Aug 27, 2012, titled Why Atheism Will Replace Religion. In it, News24 reports that:

Please note that for this article "Atheism" also includes agnostics, deists, pagans, wiccans... in other words non-religious.

You will notice this is a statement of fact. And to be fact it is supported by evidence (see references below). Now you can have "faith" that this is not true, but by the very definition of faith, that is just wishful thinking.

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Dak-Original

London, UK

#14317 Aug 29, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
01. I am happy to say that you say there is NO PROOF regarding origin of humans. The TOS zealots would be fuming at your "stupid attitude"!!
02. The beginning and end of humans shall be in the same way! They appeared 'all of a sudden" and they shall be gone 'All of a sudden"…. And gathered to give "accounts of their lives" to their Creator.
03. Yes humans and life on this earth shall not survive for ever….their end is coming soon, may be "sooner" than any scientist can "predict"
04. Scientists can gather whatever data they can get…. But they should not be in "Predicting business".
Not after so many "Howlers" they have made in pass.
In 1800 s they "predicted" that Britain has coal only for a few decades!!
In 1980 s they "predicted" that Saudi Arabia has oil only for 25-30 years!!
Almost every "prediction": of these scientists has been proven wrong.
And why should they only predict "negative" things, why not any thing positive?
Stupid post which commends another for posting "humans appeared all of a sudden on the earth as per "truth" in a book written a millenia ago! OH! MUQ!

NB: Even the scientists do not take any estimates of other sceintists as seriously as this MUQ!
Thinking

Bridgetown, Barbados

#14318 Aug 29, 2013
You might reside in some "f**k me, mohammed, it's too bloody hot again" shitpit but I do not.

I quite like my weather predicted by scientists with more qualifications and less beards.
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
01. I am happy to say that you say there is NO PROOF regarding origin of humans. The TOS zealots would be fuming at your "stupid attitude"!!
02. The beginning and end of humans shall be in the same way! They appeared 'all of a sudden" and they shall be gone 'All of a sudden"…. And gathered to give "accounts of their lives" to their Creator.
03. Yes humans and life on this earth shall not survive for ever….their end is coming soon, may be "sooner" than any scientist can "predict"
04. Scientists can gather whatever data they can get…. But they should not be in "Predicting business".
Not after so many "Howlers" they have made in pass.
In 1800 s they "predicted" that Britain has coal only for a few decades!!
In 1980 s they "predicted" that Saudi Arabia has oil only for 25-30 years!!
Almost every "prediction": of these scientists has been proven wrong.
And why should they only predict "negative" things, why not any thing positive?

“Liberty & Justice For All”

Since: Aug 11

United States of America

#14319 Aug 29, 2013
RHill wrote:
<quoted text>
I've never even heard of any kind of mystery surrounding what you have turned into your very own '$64000 dollar question'. It's not even a valid question.
LOL Google “Stone Age to the Space Age” and you’ll get over two million links on the subject. Guess the scientists looking for an answer to this question didn’t get your memo advising them “It's not even a valid question”.
RHill wrote:
<quoted text>
The first tool use dates back 2.5 million years. You should be asking 'how did we progress from crude stone tools to the Space Age in 2.5 million years'. Still a remarkable achievement and one that is very well documented.
Specifically, the first tool use among alleged PROTO humans dates back to around 2.5 million years. Making and using tools, or toys, is not unique to humans. Lots of other animals made and used tools and toys long before Stone Age humans made and used them, and some of those tools indicate other animals had more evolved brains than humans right up until the clock struck 12,000 BP.....
RHill wrote:
<quoted text>
12000 years ago, Humans were still involved in migrating around the globe.
Not according to the Human Genome Project....
RHill wrote:
<quoted text>
Why don't you get us all off the edge of our seats and lay out what you think you got? It's pretty clear that you godbots have to have had something 'special' happen '300 generations' ago to fit in with your mythology. So come on ... spit it out. What are ya? Chicken!?!
Sorry, no spoilers.....

“Blue Collar Philosopher”

Since: Nov 08

Texas, USA

#14320 Aug 29, 2013
ezdzit wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL Google “Stone Age to the Space Age” and you’ll get over two million links on the subject. Guess the scientists looking for an answer to this question didn’t get your memo advising them “It's not even a valid question”.
<quoted text>
Specifically, the first tool use among alleged PROTO humans dates back to around 2.5 million years. Making and using tools, or toys, is not unique to humans. Lots of other animals made and used tools and toys long before Stone Age humans made and used them, and some of those tools indicate other animals had more evolved brains than humans right up until the clock struck 12,000 BP.....
<quoted text>
Not according to the Human Genome Project....
<quoted text>
Sorry, no spoilers.....
My Google search only turned up 56,800,000. Go figure. For curiosities sake I Googled "Spam" which reported 518,000,000 hits. It's easy to tell where people's priorities lay. I only scanned the first 4 or 5 pages of returns on the original query ... I'm afraid none seemed to point to some miraculous intervention by way of explanation for our 'rapid' development. I'm afraid you will have to direct me to some relevant site. Waiting ...

“Blue Collar Philosopher”

Since: Nov 08

Texas, USA

#14321 Aug 29, 2013
ezdzit wrote:
<quoted text>Not according to the Human Genome Project....
According to this:

" http://www.scribd.com/fullscreen/76809352... ;

Human migration to North and South America occurred 10000-25000 years ago, a period that encapsulates and includes 12000 years ago. The graphic is based upon mtDNA studies.

I await your apology.

“Blue Collar Philosopher”

Since: Nov 08

Texas, USA

#14322 Aug 29, 2013
ezdzit wrote:
<quoted text>Specifically, the first tool use among alleged PROTO humans dates back to around 2.5 million years. Making and using tools, or toys, is not unique to humans. Lots of other animals made and used tools and toys long before Stone Age humans made and used them, and some of those tools indicate other animals had more evolved brains than humans right up until the clock struck 12,000 BP.....
Using a piece of straw to collect ants or a stone to crack a shell is not the same as fashioning a cutting or scraping implement from flint. It is considerably more advanced to make purpose-built tools than simply using something that happens to be laying around. There is no way to say some animal "had more evolved brains" based on fossils. You might get an estimate based upon the ratio of brain mass to spinal mass, but no other animal competes with Hominids in that regards. Show me a tool using or making marine mammal before you even bring it up. There is some relationship between intelligence and the complexity of folding in the cerebral cortex but those details are not preserved in fossils. So don't even go there.

“Blue Collar Philosopher”

Since: Nov 08

Texas, USA

#14323 Aug 29, 2013
ezdzit wrote:
<quoted text>Sorry, no spoilers.....
Cuz you got nothing to spoil. I've already mentioned a possible impact event around 12000 years ago that may well have wiped out an entire population (the Clovis people) and had catastrophic effects on many other indigenous life forms. Wouldn't be surprised if the entire globe didn't have a 'nuclear winter' for months after the impact. Maybe surviving such a calamity put 'The Fear of God' in people ... something we are still trying expunge from our collective memory. If only Carl Sagan had been alive back then to explain ...

“Blue Collar Philosopher”

Since: Nov 08

Texas, USA

#14324 Aug 29, 2013
RHill wrote:
<quoted text>
Using a piece of straw to collect ants ...
Oops. I meant 'termites' of course ... every body knows that.

“Liberty & Justice For All”

Since: Aug 11

United States of America

#14325 Aug 29, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
01. I am happy to say that you say there is NO PROOF regarding origin of humans. The TOS zealots would be fuming at your "stupid attitude"!!
And, lo and behold, these ignorant atheist zealots are indeed once again fuming at my “stupid attitude”!

You’re a prophet, MUQ!
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
02. The beginning and end of humans shall be in the same way! They appeared 'all of a sudden" and they shall be gone 'All of a sudden"…. And gathered to give "accounts of their lives" to their Creator.
An “all of a sudden” human extinction would be so much more preferable to a long painful human extinction through drought, famine, disease, war, and the inevitable genocides for remaining food and water supplies....
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
03. Yes humans and life on this earth shall not survive for ever….their end is coming soon, may be "sooner" than any scientist can "predict"
Scientists can’t make any predictions about what’s going to happen because there is absolutely no precedent for the escalating amounts of CO2 in the Earth’s atmosphere. According to ice core graphs of past climate cycles. the Earth should have started turning into a giant snowball about 150 years ago. Why that hasn’t happened yet really is a big mystery.
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
04. Scientists can gather whatever data they can get…. But they should not be in "Predicting business".
Not after so many "Howlers" they have made in pass.
In 1800 s they "predicted" that Britain has coal only for a few decades!!
In 1980 s they "predicted" that Saudi Arabia has oil only for 25-30 years!!
Almost every "prediction": of these scientists has been proven wrong.
And why should they only predict "negative" things, why not any thing positive?
It’s a good thing to have a skeptical attitude and consider the source regarding any kind of predictions and to bear in mind that sometimes there’s a huge gap between what news reporters write and the findings scientists have actually reported. Scientists gather evidence, study it and make predictions i.e.“best guesses”. Those”best guesses” are what science is about and no predictions, especially about weather, are ever carved in stone.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#14326 Aug 29, 2013
ezdzit wrote:
<quoted text>
And, lo and behold, these ignorant atheist zealots are indeed once again fuming at my “stupid attitude”!
You’re a prophet, MUQ!
<quoted text>
An “all of a sudden” human extinction would be so much more preferable to a long painful human extinction through drought, famine, disease, war, and the inevitable genocides for remaining food and water supplies....
<quoted text>
Scientists can’t make any predictions about what’s going to happen because there is absolutely no precedent for the escalating amounts of CO2 in the Earth’s atmosphere. According to ice core graphs of past climate cycles. the Earth should have started turning into a giant snowball about 150 years ago. Why that hasn’t happened yet really is a big mystery.
<quoted text>
It’s a good thing to have a skeptical attitude and consider the source regarding any kind of predictions and to bear in mind that sometimes there’s a huge gap between what news reporters write and the findings scientists have actually reported. Scientists gather evidence, study it and make predictions i.e.“best guesses”. Those”best guesses” are what science is about and no predictions, especially about weather, are ever carved in stone.
Just prove your god and stop making a scene. You creationists are pitiful

“Liberty & Justice For All”

Since: Aug 11

United States of America

#14327 Aug 29, 2013
RHill wrote:
<quoted text>
Using a piece of straw to collect ants or a stone to crack a shell is not the same as fashioning a cutting or scraping implement from flint. It is considerably more advanced to make purpose-built tools than simply using something that happens to be laying around. There is no way to say some animal "had more evolved brains" based on fossils. You might get an estimate based upon the ratio of brain mass to spinal mass, but no other animal competes with Hominids in that regards. Show me a tool using or making marine mammal before you even bring it up. There is some relationship between intelligence and the complexity of folding in the cerebral cortex but those details are not preserved in fossils. So don't even go there.
LOL

Hate to burst your bubble...(hehehehehehehe....)

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2002/05/...

“Blue Collar Philosopher”

Since: Nov 08

Texas, USA

#14328 Aug 29, 2013
ezdzit wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL
Hate to burst your bubble...(hehehehehehehe....)
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2002/05/...
The article alludes that progress from 'stone tools' to 'flaked stone tools' itself took 2.5 million years. Our more direct ancestors went into the "Space Age" in the same interval. Fits rather well with what I was trying to say. My bubble remains intact.

“Blue Collar Philosopher”

Since: Nov 08

Texas, USA

#14329 Aug 29, 2013
ezdzit wrote:
<quoted text>
And, lo and behold, these ignorant atheist zealots are indeed once again fuming at my “stupid attitude”!
You’re a prophet, MUQ!
<quoted text>
An “all of a sudden” human extinction would be so much more preferable to a long painful human extinction through drought, famine, disease, war, and the inevitable genocides for remaining food and water supplies....
<quoted text>
Scientists can’t make any predictions about what’s going to happen because there is absolutely no precedent for the escalating amounts of CO2 in the Earth’s atmosphere. According to ice core graphs of past climate cycles. the Earth should have started turning into a giant snowball about 150 years ago. Why that hasn’t happened yet really is a big mystery.
<quoted text>
It’s a good thing to have a skeptical attitude and consider the source regarding any kind of predictions and to bear in mind that sometimes there’s a huge gap between what news reporters write and the findings scientists have actually reported. Scientists gather evidence, study it and make predictions i.e.“best guesses”. Those”best guesses” are what science is about and no predictions, especially about weather, are ever carved in stone.
You keep saying 'giant snowball about 150 years ago'... that's absurd. The resolution of your 'ice core CO2 graphs' is way too low to even BEGIN to draw a conclusion like that. That's not even a 'tick' on the planet's ecological clock. You're thinking is much too narrow.

“Blue Collar Philosopher”

Since: Nov 08

Texas, USA

#14330 Aug 29, 2013
"Assuming that ice growth mainly responds to insolation and CO2 forcing, this analogy suggests that the end of the current interglacial would occur within the next 1500 years, if atmospheric CO2 concentrations did not exceed 240±5&#8201;ppmv."

from this:

" http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/vaop/ncurr... ;

Of course, CO2 at 240 ppmv ain't gonna happen unless everybody suddenly stops eating cabbage.

If you are REALLY interested in Global Warming and it's relationship to CO2 concentration see the article ...

"Human Flatulence: The REAL Culprit" in the April issue of Scientific American.

<Just kidding ... made that last bit up>

“Liberty & Justice For All”

Since: Aug 11

United States of America

#14331 Aug 29, 2013
RHill wrote:
<quoted text>
The article alludes that progress from 'stone tools' to 'flaked stone tools' itself took 2.5 million years. Our more direct ancestors went into the "Space Age" in the same interval. Fits rather well with what I was trying to say. My bubble remains intact.
The article contradicts ALL of your assertions about tool use among chimpanzees:

"A paper published in the May 24 issue of the journal Science documents the first archaeological examination of a non-human primate workplace and establishes new links between the use of tools by chimpanzees and similar developments among human ancestors (hominids). The research was supported in part by the National Science Foundation (NSF). The research site is in the Tai Forest, about 375 miles west of the capital of the Ivory Coast, Abidjan.

A team from George Washington University (GWU) and the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology of Leipzig, Germany (which provided the primary funding for the work) studied a site where chimpanzees had carried in stone hammers from nearby areas to open nuts on tree roots, which they used as anvils. The researchers last fall, recovered 479 stone pieces, chips of granite, laterite, feldspar and quartz broken from the hammers...."

Blow some more bubbles....

“Liberty & Justice For All”

Since: Aug 11

United States of America

#14332 Aug 29, 2013
RHill wrote:
<quoted text>
You keep saying 'giant snowball about 150 years ago'... that's absurd. The resolution of your 'ice core CO2 graphs' is way too low to even BEGIN to draw a conclusion like that. That's not even a 'tick' on the planet's ecological clock. You're thinking is much too narrow.
The Little Ice Age ended around 1850.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age

The climate cycles shown on the ice core graphs going back 400,000 years indicate temperatures should have continued to drop not rise.

“Liberty & Justice For All”

Since: Aug 11

United States of America

#14333 Aug 29, 2013
RHill wrote:
"Human Flatulence: The REAL Culprit" in the April issue of Scientific American.
<Just kidding ... made that last bit up>
It's actually a credible theory. At last count, over a hundred million Americans are now morbidly obese and making daily contributions to atmospheric greenhouse gases,,,,

But yeah, fossil fuels and cows are still at the top of the list of culprits.

“Blue Collar Philosopher”

Since: Nov 08

Texas, USA

#14334 Aug 29, 2013
ezdzit wrote:
<quoted text>
The article contradicts ALL of your assertions about tool use among chimpanzees:
"A paper published in the May 24 issue of the journal Science documents the first archaeological examination of a non-human primate workplace and establishes new links between the use of tools by chimpanzees and similar developments among human ancestors (hominids). The research was supported in part by the National Science Foundation (NSF). The research site is in the Tai Forest, about 375 miles west of the capital of the Ivory Coast, Abidjan.
A team from George Washington University (GWU) and the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology of Leipzig, Germany (which provided the primary funding for the work) studied a site where chimpanzees had carried in stone hammers from nearby areas to open nuts on tree roots, which they used as anvils. The researchers last fall, recovered 479 stone pieces, chips of granite, laterite, feldspar and quartz broken from the hammers...."
Blow some more bubbles....
What?!?!

You said "...and some of those tools indicate other animals had more evolved brains than humans right up until the clock struck 12,000 BP".

Those other tools are what? Rocks. Incidental pieces broke off. Wow.

Those other animals are who? Chimps. Not Hominids. Not ancestral. Not "more evolved brains". Maybe more closely related to godbots. Yeah, I can buy that.

“Blue Collar Philosopher”

Since: Nov 08

Texas, USA

#14335 Aug 29, 2013
ezdzit wrote:
<quoted text>
The Little Ice Age ended around 1850.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age
The climate cycles shown on the ice core graphs going back 400,000 years indicate temperatures should have continued to drop not rise.
Okay. I'm glad they put "it was not a true ice age" close to the top.

I would pay particular attention to the "Volcanic Activity" section.

We are, after all, talking about a 'chaotic system' on a planet literally chock full of butterflies. You got to take it all with a grain of salt.

“Liberty & Justice For All”

Since: Aug 11

United States of America

#14336 Aug 29, 2013
RHill wrote:
<quoted text>
What?!?!
You said "...and some of those tools indicate other animals had more evolved brains than humans right up until the clock struck 12,000 BP".
Those other tools are what? Rocks. Incidental pieces broke off. Wow.
Those other animals are who? Chimps. Not Hominids. Not ancestral. Not "more evolved brains". Maybe more closely related to godbots. Yeah, I can buy that.
Chimps are classified as hominids.

Hominid - the group consisting of all modern and extinct Great Apes (that is, modern humans, chimpanzees, gorillas and orang-utans plus all their immediate ancestors).

Hominin - the group consisting of modern humans, extinct human species and all our immediate ancestors (including members of the genera Homo, Australopithecus, Paranthropus and Ardipithecus).

Chimps are estimated to be about 4 to 8 million years old, The first modern humans are estimated to date back to 200,000 BP via those controversial computer models developed at UC Berkeley for tracking mtDNA ancestry.

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