Why Atheism Will Replace Religion

Aug 27, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: News24

Please note that for this article "Atheism" also includes agnostics, deists, pagans, wiccans... in other words non-religious.

You will notice this is a statement of fact. And to be fact it is supported by evidence (see references below). Now you can have "faith" that this is not true, but by the very definition of faith, that is just wishful thinking.
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Yeah, I missed it the first time I looked at the graph too. I think I said something like “Holy shit!!!” when I finally saw the red CO2 spike going straight up above the blue temperature line at the far end of the graph.
Other ice core graphs from other locations (GISP, etc.), show the same information--that the Earth’s CO2 levels have never “led” rises in the Earth’s temperature before, nor have they ever been as high as they are now. Our scientific models would have predicted a new glaciation event beginning at least 100 years ago. That obviously isn’t happening. Instead, the Earth’s “thermostat” appears to be stuck and ice fields continue to melt instead of freeze. When and how it gets “unstuck” or what happens afterwards is anybody's guess but 6 billion flash frozen homosapiens is definitely one possible scenario.
Well ... we got to play out the warming before anybody has to worry about getting flash frozen ... something that could well take hundreds, if not thousands, of years. The seeming disparity between CO2 levels and temperature may indicate that there are other factors involved in the historic cycles that has not had a chance to come into play in this time of 'artificial' CO2 increases.
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Well ... we got a pretty good record of past cycles (see your buddy Zit's chart) and can tell this one's a bit whacked. Probably from Third Worlder's burning tires in their brick ovens, but ... let's not go there. One thing's for sure, the Earth has about the same amount of carbon in her now as she did when she was born. Where that carbon is 'tied up' clearly varies in a cyclic pattern that probably extends back to when plants completed their colonization of the land hundreds of millions of years ago. It's only the very latest cycle that could possibly have been influenced by Humans. Who, I am sure, the Earth sees as a temporary annoyance. Your Creator fellow is not without a sense of humor. All Hail his Mighty Name!
Our Creator guy has sense of humor as well sense of justice, equity and truth and many other traits in exact proportions as befitting to His majesty.

What we see on earth is a very minute display of His endless knowledge , wisdom, mercy and power.

Humans have really not created any thing, they just used the material already created and reshaped it to get some gadgets that are useful in their material life.

But creating a thing, they are still billions of light years away from it.

And yet many of these boast as if they have conquered the wisdom and power and knowledge of Sole Creator of this Universe.

The laugh is on humans and not on Creator,

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Our Creator guy has sense of humor as well sense of justice, equity and truth and many other traits in exact proportions as befitting to His majesty.
What we see on earth is a very minute display of His endless knowledge , wisdom, mercy and power.
Humans have really not created any thing, they just used the material already created and reshaped it to get some gadgets that are useful in their material life.
But creating a thing, they are still billions of light years away from it.
And yet many of these boast as if they have conquered the wisdom and power and knowledge of Sole Creator of this Universe.
The laugh is on humans and not on Creator,
Sounds like a great guy! Exactly the kind of Creator I would imagine if I were in the business of imagining creators.
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Did you hear the one about the brutal islamic female child circumcision?

Two suicide bombers go into a mosque.
Boom! Boom!

Two burka slags swapping photographs of their dead child suicide bombers. "Kids these days. They blow up so fast."
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Our Creator guy has sense of humor...
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Did you hear the one about the brutal islamic female child circumcision?
Two suicide bombers go into a mosque.
Boom! Boom!
Two burka slags swapping photographs of their dead child suicide bombers. "Kids these days. They blow up so fast."
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What THAT has to do with the topic we are discussing

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Your god's supposed sense of humour is what you were talking about.
Thinking's post fit the topic quite well.
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I agree. Just plain water or sewer water, MUQ?
ezdit summed himself up by agreeing with the jihadist MUQ!

NB: MUQ will not like your comments on validity of a Hindu diety inspiring Ramanjun! LOL!
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MUQ wrote:
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Our Creator guy has sense of humor as well sense of justice, equity and truth and many other traits in exact proportions as befitting to His majesty.
What we see on earth is a very minute display of His endless knowledge , wisdom, mercy and power.
Humans have really not created any thing, they just used the material already created and reshaped it to get some gadgets that are useful in their material life.
But creating a thing, they are still billions of light years away from it.
And yet many of these boast as if they have conquered the wisdom and power and knowledge of Sole Creator of this Universe.
The laugh is on humans and not on Creator,
MUQ's "creator" is like a human king and a vain individual! GOD cannot be anything we moratals can ever imagine. All religions are inventions of human minds. OH! MUQ!
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What THAT has to do with the topic we are discussing
Everything if you re-read your own post! Innocent lot do not invite dastardly acts perpetrated on them. Think!? No you will not since your mind is sold to a dogma! OH! MUQ!

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MUQ's "creator" is like a human king and a vain individual! GOD cannot be anything we moratals can ever imagine. All religions are inventions of human minds. OH! MUQ!
Why would you say that? Does Human imagination seem stunted or limited? A Universe creating, omnipotent, omniscient, loving, jealous, vengeful super-being isn't enough? Your god, MUQ's god, Zit's god ... all products of our imagination. People fall down in worship, blow themselves up, murder innocent people, build magnificent edifices, devote their entire lives to these 'mental constructs'. I agree with you on the 'religion' aspect, I cannot understand why you can not extend your disdain to the 'god' aspect as well. You disparage Humanity. There are no limits to our imagine as this vast array of 'gods' illustrates. The problem is that it is imagine misdirected into counter-productive beliefs and endeavor. Science has stimulated our imaginations and will, if allowed, continue to do so until all our gods seem petty and insignificant in comparison. Hell ... it's already done so! It's not a lack of imagination but, rather ... too many people are still asleep!!

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Your god's supposed sense of humour is what you were talking about.
Thinking's post fit the topic quite well.
He has the 'sense of humor' of a spoiled child, torturing animals and pulling the wings off flies.

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Well ... we got to play out the warming before anybody has to worry about getting flash frozen ... something that could well take hundreds, if not thousands, of years.
We’ve already played out our natural resources to “play out the warming”.

Peak oil:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peak_oil

Peak water:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peak_water

Peak soil:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sustainable_agri...

Peak fish:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fishing_down_the...
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The seeming disparity between CO2 levels and temperature may indicate that there are other factors involved in the historic cycles that has not had a chance to come into play in this time of 'artificial' CO2 increases.
What other factors? The ice core graphs show amazingly predictable cycles of warming and cooling that extend backwards for 800,000 years.

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RHill wrote:
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Why would you say that? Does Human imagination seem stunted or limited? A Universe creating, omnipotent, omniscient, loving, jealous, vengeful super-being isn't enough? Your god, MUQ's god, Zit's god ... all products of our imagination. People fall down in worship, blow themselves up, murder innocent people, build magnificent edifices, devote their entire lives to these 'mental constructs'. I agree with you on the 'religion' aspect, I cannot understand why you can not extend your disdain to the 'god' aspect as well. You disparage Humanity. There are no limits to our imagine as this vast array of 'gods' illustrates. The problem is that it is imagine misdirected into counter-productive beliefs and endeavor. Science has stimulated our imaginations and will, if allowed, continue to do so until all our gods seem petty and insignificant in comparison. Hell ... it's already done so! It's not a lack of imagination but, rather ... too many people are still asleep!!
Good post. Very interesting points.
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<quoted text> It's not a lack of imagination but, rather ... too many people are still asleep!!
I totally agree with that statement!

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We’ve already played out our natural resources to “play out the warming”.
Peak oil:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peak_oil
Peak water:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peak_water
Peak soil:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sustainable_agri...
Peak fish:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fishing_down_the...
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What other factors? The ice core graphs show amazingly predictable cycles of warming and cooling that extend backwards for 800,000 years.
Methane is a far more 'efficient' greenhouse gas and it's levels have been increasing far more dramatically than CO2. Billions of tons of the gas are 'locked up' as methane hydrates in the oceans and permafrost. All I'm saying is that the relatively minor average temperature increases due to CO2 could 'trigger' the release of huge amounts of methane that would take global temperatures way off the scale on your graph. Methane breaks down fairly quickly in the atmosphere and the entire episode might only last a short time (in geologic terms) and not even show up recognizably in ice core studies. It would be a great potential 'extinction event' as you seem to be so anxious for. It would be death by 'heat stroke' instead of freezing, but as long as it wipes us out, who cares right?

" http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives... ;

This guy (above link) doesn't see any 'disaster movie' episodes coming but ... who knows? There's always hope. Don't buy any beach front property!!

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Good post. Very interesting points.
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I totally agree with that statement!
Hey thanks! I wish I were a better proof-reader. There's two 'imagines' that should have been 'imaginations' but I hope the point remains.

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Hey thanks! I wish I were a better proof-reader. There's two 'imagines' that should have been 'imaginations' but I hope the point remains.
Your point was clearly stated and wasn't compromised. It remains.
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I see "MUQ" still hasn't proven his creator.
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RHill wrote:
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Why would you say that? Does Human imagination seem stunted or limited? A Universe creating, omnipotent, omniscient, loving, jealous, vengeful super-being isn't enough? Your god, MUQ's god, Zit's god ... all products of our imagination. People fall down in worship, blow themselves up, murder innocent people, build magnificent edifices, devote their entire lives to these 'mental constructs'. I agree with you on the 'religion' aspect, I cannot understand why you can not extend your disdain to the 'god' aspect as well. You disparage Humanity. There are no limits to our imagine as this vast array of 'gods' illustrates. The problem is that it is imagine misdirected into counter-productive beliefs and endeavor. Science has stimulated our imaginations and will, if allowed, continue to do so until all our gods seem petty and insignificant in comparison. Hell ... it's already done so! It's not a lack of imagination but, rather ... too many people are still asleep!!
Most of humanity are the prisoners of their culture and birth. Humans are prisoners of the thinking brain development during evolution. Nothing to do with potential of human imagination or human endeavour to seek facts.
Not everyhting humans do or feel is logical and resonable. However, malfactors in human religions which affect all should be pointed out so that these are removed or ignored by followers of a particular faith.

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Most of humanity are the prisoners of their culture and birth. Humans are prisoners of the thinking brain development during evolution. Nothing to do with potential of human imagination or human endeavour to seek facts.
Not everyhting humans do or feel is logical and resonable. However, malfactors in human religions which affect all should be pointed out so that these are removed or ignored by followers of a particular faith.
It just rankles me when someone says something is 'more than we can imagine'. There are certainly things that exist outside our sphere of knowledge and we have a very effective mechanism in place to fix that. Our imagination's seem boundless. That doesn't mean everything we can imagine necessarily exists or that some kind of 'proof' is available for things that can be imagined but not held manifest.

Religions are real enough, of course, as are their demonstrably negative influence on Humanity, although some imagine them beneficial. LOL. The gods they serve exist solely within the imagination of their (religions) participants. The malfactors are those who get caught up and carried away. Anyway ... lack of imagination definitely AIN'T one of our problems.

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We’ve already played out our natural resources to “play out the warming”.
Peak oil:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peak_oil
Peak water:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peak_water
Peak soil:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sustainable_agri...
Peak fish:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fishing_down_the...
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What other factors? The ice core graphs show amazingly predictable cycles of warming and cooling that extend backwards for 800,000 years.
I certainly agree that we are on an unsustainable growth curve. A crash of 'disaster movie' proportions seems inevitable. It probably won't be a nice, clean 'wham, bam, thank you ma'am' kind of disaster, like the Black Death, where the survivors find themselves enjoying a suddenly depopulated but largely intact infrastructure. Nope. It's gonna be a slow, suffocating ugly kind of thing and all the absolute worst aspects of Humanity are going to strut their stuff. Including, I'm afraid, a resurgence of religion and superstition, which seems to ride on the back of misery like ticks on a dog. Unlike friendly plagues ... there won't be much left for the survivors, our resources having been spent in centuries of pointless conflict and uncontrolled growth.

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