Why Atheism Will Replace Religion

Aug 27, 2012 Full story: News24 14,477

Please note that for this article "Atheism" also includes agnostics, deists, pagans, wiccans... in other words non-religious.

You will notice this is a statement of fact. And to be fact it is supported by evidence (see references below). Now you can have "faith" that this is not true, but by the very definition of faith, that is just wishful thinking. Full Story

“Liberty & Justice For All”

Since: Aug 11

United States of America

#14178 Aug 19, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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Actually, all the ones I gave *were* involved in the quantum revolution and *are* founders of QM. In particular, Dirac gave the equation that merges special relativity and quantum mechanics and predicted the existence of anti-matter. Feynman was instrumental in the development of quantum electrodynamics. Szliard was the one who convinced Einstein to write the letter concerning the atomic bomb and was deeply involved in the theoretical aspects of fission and fusion. Von Neuman gave much of the mathematical foundation for quantum mechanics and was the person who thought up the stored program computer.

So you were simply wrong when you said that *all* of the main founders of the quantum revolution were believers in God. Many were, but many were not. And none were of a fundamentalist persuasion.
Max Plank published Planck's constant in 1899 and Planck's postulate in 1900. His work on black body radiation completely changed the paradigm and this event is regarded as the birth of quantum physics and the launch of the 20th century scientific revolution. All the scientists you cited were either still in diapers or hadn't even been born yet. I'm not saying they didn't make valuable contributions later; I'm just saying they made their contributions AFTER the the revelution was well underway/

I totally agree that none of the "godbot" founders of quantum physics were of the fundamentalist persuasion.

“Liberty & Justice For All”

Since: Aug 11

United States of America

#14179 Aug 19, 2013
RHill wrote:
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Okay, that's all well and good. I should point out that rising CO2 levels DECREASE the amount of Infra-red (heat) energy re-radiated back into space, thus INCREASING surface temperatures. It acts as a "green house" gas, trapping heat that would have otherwise been lost, ergo "Global Warming" .. temperatures rising. This is the second time you have seemed to be expecting a new Ice Age because of rising CO2 levels. This reflects a fundamental lack of understanding the concepts involved which, I am sorry to say, can logically be extended to other, far more complex concepts in which you apparently place a great deal of faith.
Please don't take this the wrong way ... but ... I think you would do well to review a few things. In any case, it's been interesting and informative and I will have to go over some of this Vedic stuff in relation to 20th Century scientific thought. Ultimately, whether it was humans back then, or humans in more recent times that made these concepts real doesn't matter. At least you are not claiming some kind of divine intervention. It's Humans all the way Bubba and that's what matters.
LOL

Better clean your glasses and take another look, a real good look, at current CO2 levels on the ice core graph. See the blue lines on the graph? Those blue lines chart the rise and fall of the Earth’s temperatures over the last 400,000 years. The highest blue line peaks chart the Earth’s highest temperatures and when the blue lines go down and keep going down that’s where temperatures are dropping and keep dropping until a glaciation event occurs. Glaciation events are a completely natural, normal part of the Earth’s cycle. The fact that the earth is still warming and not cooling right now is completely abnornal.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#14180 Aug 19, 2013
ezdzit wrote:
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Max Plank published Planck's constant in 1899 and Planck's postulate in 1900. His work on black body radiation completely changed the paradigm and this event is regarded as the birth of quantum physics and the launch of the 20th century scientific revolution. All the scientists you cited were either still in diapers or hadn't even been born yet. I'm not saying they didn't make valuable contributions later; I'm just saying they made their contributions AFTER the the revelution was well underway/
I totally agree that none of the "godbot" founders of quantum physics were of the fundamentalist persuasion.
I see. So you are limiting yourself to the 'early' quantum theory that was later replaced because it was a mishmash of classical mechanics and a bit of quantum reasoning. While Planck, Bohr, and Einstein definitely deserved credit as leading the revolution, they certainly did not complete it in any sense. At best, they got it off the ground, acting more like a transitional government than real revolutionaries. The real depths of the 20th century revolution were done by the next generation who were in diapers in 1900. Both Planck and Einstein, in fact, fought against the newer versions of quantum theory, continuing to think in primarily classical terms. Einstein went to his grave denying the insights of quantum mechanics.

Since: Mar 11

Louisville, KY

#14181 Aug 19, 2013
Stop killing children for Allah and people will warm up to Muslims. Deal?
MUQ wrote:
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Ans.
You do not know how many people are being oppressed in India every day.
Do you know that most part of Kashmir is under curfew for more than ten days?
You in world media do not give a damn about what a country does to its Muslim population.
India has many good qualities, but the media is in control of a few, who try to create bad blood between its people.\

“Liberty & Justice For All”

Since: Aug 11

United States of America

#14182 Aug 19, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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I see. So you are limiting yourself to the 'early' quantum theory that was later replaced because it was a mishmash of classical mechanics and a bit of quantum reasoning. While Planck, Bohr, and Einstein definitely deserved credit as leading the revolution, they certainly did not complete it in any sense. At best, they got it off the ground, acting more like a transitional government than real revolutionaries. The real depths of the 20th century revolution were done by the next generation who were in diapers in 1900. Both Planck and Einstein, in fact, fought against the newer versions of quantum theory, continuing to think in primarily classical terms. Einstein went to his grave denying the insights of quantum mechanics.
The issue is your accusation in this post:
polymath257 wrote:
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So you were simply wrong when you said that *all* of the main founders of the quantum revolution were believers in God. Many were, but many were not. And none were of a fundamentalist persuasion.
I was not wrong. All of the founders of quantum physics and the new 20th century scientific revolution were in fact believers in God.

“Blue Collar Philosopher”

Since: Nov 08

Texas, USA

#14183 Aug 19, 2013
ezdzit wrote:
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LOL
Better clean your glasses and take another look, a real good look, at current CO2 levels on the ice core graph. See the blue lines on the graph? Those blue lines chart the rise and fall of the Earth’s temperatures over the last 400,000 years. The highest blue line peaks chart the Earth’s highest temperatures and when the blue lines go down and keep going down that’s where temperatures are dropping and keep dropping until a glaciation event occurs. Glaciation events are a completely natural, normal part of the Earth’s cycle. The fact that the earth is still warming and not cooling right now is completely abnornal.
I didn't even notice the big CO2 spike at the end (most recent) part of the graph. 10000 years per division isn't 'high res' enough to get too carried away. The CO2/Temperature correlation apparently is not perfectly synchronized. In fact, that graph is ambiguous enough that at some points, the temp LEADS the CO2. Wouldn't THAT be a hoot!! Maybe global temperatures rise (for reasons unknown), methane hydrates sublimate causing a run-a-way greenhouse effect and (somewhat later) desiccated forests catch fire, dumping their carbon load. Maybe we're looking at two 'effects' rather than a Cause and Effect. Who knows? The Global Alarmists? I don't think so.
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#14184 Aug 19, 2013
RHill wrote:
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I didn't even notice the big CO2 spike at the end (most recent) part of the graph. 10000 years per division isn't 'high res' enough to get too carried away. The CO2/Temperature correlation apparently is not perfectly synchronized. In fact, that graph is ambiguous enough that at some points, the temp LEADS the CO2. Wouldn't THAT be a hoot!! Maybe global temperatures rise (for reasons unknown), methane hydrates sublimate causing a run-a-way greenhouse effect and (somewhat later) desiccated forests catch fire, dumping their carbon load. Maybe we're looking at two 'effects' rather than a Cause and Effect. Who knows? The Global Alarmists? I don't think so.
In all these arguments and counter arguments, many people "forget" that there is also a Creator of this earth, who has final say in these matters.

We have seen "experts" arguing and counter arguing till the cows come home, not even knowing that universe is working not on their whims and fancies, but some one who Created it.

And that is why we see EVERY Prediction of these scientists regarding earth and its future has gone wrong!!

They are talking about matters about which they have no knowledge!!
Rogue Element

Central Point, OR

#14185 Aug 19, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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In all these arguments and counter arguments, many people "forget" that there is also a Creator of this earth, who has final say in these matters.
Who says so--you and your book of lies?
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>We have seen "experts" arguing and counter arguing till the cows come home, not even knowing that universe is working not on their whims and fancies, but some one who Created it.
Prove your creator.
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>And that is why we see EVERY Prediction of these scientists regarding earth and its future has gone wrong!!
Don't be silly.
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>They are talking about matters about which they have no knowledge!!
Actually, you've just described yourself.
Thinking

UK

#14186 Aug 20, 2013
Blasphemer!

;)
Dak-Original wrote:
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Actually, Coca Cola has changed the taste many a times in gradual manner. It was only when they did it significantly in one go that outcry for the original taste emerged.
Thinking

UK

#14187 Aug 20, 2013
Sources, blubber.
ezdzit wrote:
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The issue is your accusation in this post:
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I was not wrong. All of the founders of quantum physics and the new 20th century scientific revolution were in fact believers in God.
Thinking

UK

#14188 Aug 20, 2013
There was that time when Bono forgot his hat but it doesn't count because it got flown down to him in business class. Catastrophe averted.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/791...
RHill wrote:
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A flavor tsunami of unprecedented proportions. Millions (maybe billions) switched to Pepsi.
Okay ... Noah's flood and New Coke. Need 3 more.
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#14189 Aug 20, 2013
Rogue Element wrote:
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Who says so--you and your book of lies?
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Prove your creator.
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Don't be silly.
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Actually, you've just described yourself.
Have you "created" anything really?

Do you know what is a Creation?

I know I have to deal with a bunch of idiots whose brain is replaced with water when they come to post on these threads.

We have to teach them a,b,c of everything.

Since: Mar 11

Louisville, KY

#14190 Aug 20, 2013
Like when I had to explain to you what a miracle is?
MUQ wrote:
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Have you "created" anything really?
Do you know what is a Creation?
I know I have to deal with a bunch of idiots whose brain is replaced with water when they come to post on these threads.
We have to teach them a,b,c of everything.
Dak-Original

Belfast, UK

#14191 Aug 20, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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Have you "created" anything really?
Do you know what is a Creation?
I know I have to deal with a bunch of idiots whose brain is replaced with water when they come to post on these threads.
We have to teach them a,b,c of everything.
He may have created few things and we do not know if he is creative. However, you depend on belief records and unprovable claims when you ascribe to Creation a la Adam n Eve! Our body and brain are 70% water but likes of you have stunted brain full of "ether". I believe the real GOD will not be pleased with those who cause mayhem with their lies. Do you support Boko Haram in Nigeria? You are already a self proclaimed specialist on the jihadist matters. OH !MUQ!

“Blue Collar Philosopher”

Since: Nov 08

Texas, USA

#14192 Aug 20, 2013
Thinking wrote:
There was that time when Bono forgot his hat but it doesn't count because it got flown down to him in business class. Catastrophe averted.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/791...
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THAT ... was a close call. Not sure how it missed the Evening News here in Donutdunk, Texas.

“Blue Collar Philosopher”

Since: Nov 08

Texas, USA

#14193 Aug 20, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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In all these arguments and counter arguments, many people "forget" that there is also a Creator of this earth, who has final say in these matters.
We have seen "experts" arguing and counter arguing till the cows come home, not even knowing that universe is working not on their whims and fancies, but some one who Created it.
And that is why we see EVERY Prediction of these scientists regarding earth and its future has gone wrong!!
They are talking about matters about which they have no knowledge!!
Well ... we got a pretty good record of past cycles (see your buddy Zit's chart) and can tell this one's a bit whacked. Probably from Third Worlder's burning tires in their brick ovens, but ... let's not go there. One thing's for sure, the Earth has about the same amount of carbon in her now as she did when she was born. Where that carbon is 'tied up' clearly varies in a cyclic pattern that probably extends back to when plants completed their colonization of the land hundreds of millions of years ago. It's only the very latest cycle that could possibly have been influenced by Humans. Who, I am sure, the Earth sees as a temporary annoyance. Your Creator fellow is not without a sense of humor. All Hail his Mighty Name!
Rogue Element

Central Point, OR

#14194 Aug 20, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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Have you "created" anything really?
Do you mean as a physical object or an abstract? No, and yes. But what's that got to do with anything anyway?
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>Do you know what is a Creation?
Yes; the result of an *intentional* act.
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>I know I have to deal with a bunch of idiots whose brain is replaced with water when they come to post on these threads.
So, rather than answering their questions, you just hurl insults. I understand. Religionists do that. A lot. I guess they figure it beats the hell out of thinking.
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>We have to teach them a,b,c of everything.
You are in no position to teach anyone anything, except not to be a religionist.
Rogue Element

Central Point, OR

#14195 Aug 20, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text> ....Do you know what is a Creation?...
To expand on this, a creation--as the result of an intentional act--requires a creator.

Prove your creator.

“Liberty & Justice For All”

Since: Aug 11

United States of America

#14196 Aug 20, 2013
RHill wrote:
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I didn't even notice the big CO2 spike at the end (most recent) part of the graph. 10000 years per division isn't 'high res' enough to get too carried away. The CO2/Temperature correlation apparently is not perfectly synchronized. In fact, that graph is ambiguous enough that at some points, the temp LEADS the CO2. Wouldn't THAT be a hoot!! Maybe global temperatures rise (for reasons unknown), methane hydrates sublimate causing a run-a-way greenhouse effect and (somewhat later) desiccated forests catch fire, dumping their carbon load. Maybe we're looking at two 'effects' rather than a Cause and Effect. Who knows? The Global Alarmists? I don't think so.
Yeah, I missed it the first time I looked at the graph too. I think I said something like “Holy shit!!!” when I finally saw the red CO2 spike going straight up above the blue temperature line at the far end of the graph.

Other ice core graphs from other locations (GISP, etc.), show the same information--that the Earth’s CO2 levels have never “led” rises in the Earth’s temperature before, nor have they ever been as high as they are now. Our scientific models would have predicted a new glaciation event beginning at least 100 years ago. That obviously isn’t happening. Instead, the Earth’s “thermostat” appears to be stuck and ice fields continue to melt instead of freeze. When and how it gets “unstuck” or what happens afterwards is anybody's guess but 6 billion flash frozen homosapiens is definitely one possible scenario.

“Liberty & Justice For All”

Since: Aug 11

United States of America

#14197 Aug 20, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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.....I know I have to deal with a bunch of idiots whose brain is replaced with water when they come to post on these threads.

We have to teach them a,b,c of everything.
I agree. Just plain water or sewer water, MUQ?

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