Why Atheism Will Replace Religion

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Please note that for this article "Atheism" also includes agnostics, deists, pagans, wiccans... in other words non-religious.

You will notice this is a statement of fact. And to be fact it is supported by evidence (see references below). Now you can have "faith" that this is not true, but by the very definition of faith, that is just wishful thinking. Full Story

“There is no Truth in Faith”

Since: Dec 08

nowhere near a pound of $100's

#1282 Dec 20, 2012
MUQ wrote:
About Jospehus and Adam Lanza:
Let it be on record that no one, on these Atheist dominated threads, has come forward with any serious post to answer my simple and straight questions.
There is no shortage of posts hurling insults at me and my religion and saying so many things and questioning WHY I am so much interested in Josphus and Adam Lanza.
Let me summarize salient points of their responses in this post and leave readers to make their own judgment:
A. Why I am interested in Existence of Josephus:
This question has been asked many times, that why I am interested in existence of Josephus, a name many persons would have heard for the first time in their lives.
I am interested because his name figures in proving the "historical existence" of Jesus Christ. Many Christians believe that Josephus in his book accepted the existence of Jesus Christ.
While most Atheists claim that Josephus never wrote about Jesus, the passage was a forgery which some Christian Scribe "inserted" into the book of Josephus.
A heated debate is going on since many decades about this issue and a vast amount of data is available.
It seems that for Christians to prove existence of Jesus Christ, needs the "crutches" of Josephus an obscure and not very well known Jewish Historian.
But what about Josephus himself? How do we know if he really existed at all? Is Josephus was an imaginary personality, how does in matter what he wrote or what he did not write.
That is why I am interested in Josephus and asked our readers to bring their proofs about his existence.
B. A look at the "Proofs":
When prompted repeatedly, some people came forward with their so called proofs;
1. Some one said that people honored him and even erected his statue in the city center: Is that really a proof? Who has seen this statue and is the existence of any statue a "proof" that the person really existed?
There are so many statues of fictitious persons in almost every country of the world, that does not prove that they really existed.
2. We have his books with us: Does any one has "original manuscript" of any book which Josephus wrote? Have we any "signed and stamped and certified" copy of his books?
If some one copied or translated his book into another language, do we know who did it and how authentic was his translation?
3. Then someone said that some Muslim Scholars have also quoted from Josephus so that shows that Muslims also believe in his existence.
This is the weakest arguments of all!! Why should the opinions of Muslim Scholars matter for the Christians? And no Muslim Scholar confirms if Josephus existed really or not. They used his name and quote on the basis of what is available to them.
4. Other Historians have also quoted from the books of Josephus:
This could be one of the strongest arguments, if we knew that these historians were "contemporary" of Josephus and that they were themselves "existed" really!!
What I am saying is that when the religious people use these arguments and try to prove the existence of Jesus or Moses or any past prophets…. These Atheists just laugh at these proofs and say they are not enough.
But it comes to themselves to prove Historical Existence of someone, they use the same tactics and same criterion.
Josephus existed, but he was born AFTER the supposed life of Christ. All he could have possibly recorded were the legends of the time after he learned to write, probably 50+ AD.

You've got nothing, dumb butt.

Since: Apr 11

Santa Monica, CA

#1283 Dec 20, 2012
Givemeliberty wrote:
I have asked Muq this exact question several times before and he runs like hell from it or mutters the something about it's up to Allah what happens cop out.
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Logic seems to frighten those types off.

Since: Apr 11

Santa Monica, CA

#1284 Dec 20, 2012
MUQ wrote:
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First answer my question about Adam Lanza and his 20 victims?
We will have a "complete discussion" about 9/11 plotters later on?
I never knew you people are so shallow in your reasoning.!!
OK, you're going to dodge.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#1285 Dec 20, 2012
True reason and logic will always be the enemy of superstition.
Rose_NoHo wrote:
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Logic seems to frighten those types off.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#1286 Dec 20, 2012
Educated What wrote:
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The great Personified (whatever) has spoken once again. The years of knowledge and Alzheimer's has finally caught up with you. You are the prime example of an educational, attitudinal, and social barriers. Just to help you out, there's a sale on caskets for Christmas. Get it for 1/2 off.
Really, put some effort into it. That is not insult, it is not retort, it is meaningless noise. Maybe if you had an education to accompany your Notre Dame sheepskins, you might begin to understand that.

“There are other issues.”

Since: May 09

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#1287 Dec 20, 2012
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>Really, put some effort into it. That is not insult, it is not retort, it is meaningless noise. Maybe if you had an education to accompany your Notre Dame sheepskins, you might begin to understand that.
The great Personified (whatever) has spoken once again. The years of knowledge and Alzheimer's has finally caught up with you. You are the prime example of an educational, attitudinal, and social barriers. Just to help you out, there's a sale on caskets for Christmas. Get it for 1/2 off.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#1288 Dec 20, 2012
Educated What wrote:
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The great Personified (whatever) has spoken once again. The years of knowledge and Alzheimer's has finally caught up with you. You are the prime example of an educational, attitudinal, and social barriers. Just to help you out, there's a sale on caskets for Christmas. Get it for 1/2 off.
Two Phys-Ed degrees issued decades before "no pass, no play"? Football scholarship, test answers paid for by coach?

“Exercise Your Brain”

Since: Jun 07

Planet Earth

#1289 Dec 20, 2012
Educated What wrote:
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No, Laveys satanist are considered atheists.
Seems you are painting with a broad brush again. Some are, some aren't....BTW, there are two different "Churches" now and a spinoff called erm...Luciferian....again, people disagree and go with their own version. That's nothing new.

“Exercise Your Brain”

Since: Jun 07

Planet Earth

#1290 Dec 20, 2012
MUQ wrote:
On the Issue of Adam Lanza:
Let it be on record that I asked all these Atheists to tell me if Adam Lanza and his victims met the same end.
What difference death made in their status and why more people should not follow the example of Lanza?
So far, no one has come forward of any reply on this issue either.
They have used diversionary actions to turn the debate into other directions.
Why they can't answer a simple question like this, I am unable to understand.
They should speak out what their Atheism says on such "real life situations".
They have made enough fun of religious people already, now it is their turn to get some flak!!
Asked and answered.

Lack of understanding on your part is no one's problem but your own. ;0)

“There are other issues.”

Since: May 09

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#1291 Dec 20, 2012
albtraum wrote:
<quoted text>Seems you are painting with a broad brush again. Some are, some aren't....BTW, there are two different "Churches" now and a spinoff called erm...Luciferian....again, people disagree and go with their own version. That's nothing new.
Laveys are atheist. Other types actually believe in satan.
Golem

Atlanta, GA

#1292 Dec 20, 2012
albtraum wrote:
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Seems you are painting with a broad brush again. Some are, some aren't....BTW, there are two different "Churches" now and a spinoff called erm...Luciferian....again, people disagree and go with their own version. That's nothing new.
Skunk head my friend! What up bro?

“There are other issues.”

Since: May 09

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#1293 Dec 20, 2012
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>Two Phys-Ed degrees issued decades before "no pass, no play"? Football scholarship, test answers paid for by coach?
Is this what you accomplished? So you are old! It's ok!

https://www.dignifiedcaskets.com/

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#1294 Dec 20, 2012
Educated What wrote:
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Is this what you accomplished? So you are old! It's ok!
https://www.dignifiedcaskets.com/
Have I accomplished caskets? Damn you do need education.

“There are other issues.”

Since: May 09

Location hidden

#1295 Dec 20, 2012
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>Have I accomplished caskets? Damn you do need education.
Got it! Very successful! Lol! You? Do you have one? Oops sorry about the website, that should have gone to your children.
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#1296 Dec 20, 2012
Ooogah Boogah wrote:
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Josephus existed, but he was born AFTER the supposed life of Christ. All he could have possibly recorded were the legends of the time after he learned to write, probably 50+ AD.
You've got nothing, dumb butt.
I am asking what is your Proof that He existed? You did not bring any proofs?

How can I take your words of mouth?

Is that not what you ask from religious people, to bring proofs. So first bring proofs that Josephus really existed and then we will talk about what he "wrote".

A Ghost writer can write anything!!

Since: Jun 07

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#1297 Dec 21, 2012
Educated What wrote:
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Laveys are atheist. Other types actually believe in satan.
Sh*t the f*ck up you lying sack of Creationist sh*t.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#1298 Dec 21, 2012
Perhaps you should consider answering questions every now and then. For example you have ran away with pee running down your leg when I ask you about the holy she camel of Allah.

Now she is foretold in the Quran yet you refuse to speak of her in shame.

It seems the words of the prophet shame you in this regard.
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
I am asking what is your Proof that He existed? You did not bring any proofs?
How can I take your words of mouth?
Is that not what you ask from religious people, to bring proofs. So first bring proofs that Josephus really existed and then we will talk about what he "wrote".
A Ghost writer can write anything!!

“Blue Collar Philosopher”

Since: Nov 08

Texas, USA

#1301 Dec 21, 2012
MUQ wrote:
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Ans.
01. So according to you, Atheists are "united in denial"!! What sort of "negative association" is this?
How can any society work on "Negative thoughts"? They have to have some thing "positive" to believe in? Should they not?
Forget about what Some Christians believe in or not believe in.
Let us talk about Atheists.
So what is your "belief" in what happened to Lanza and his victims after death?
Were they became equal of was their any difference in them?
And WHY more people should not follow the example of Adam Lanza?
We are all equal in death. Death is oblivion. Nothing "happens" after your brain shuts down. How could it? Why think or believe otherwise? Because it feels good? You know, it's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice. To fragile, thinking, conscious entities our allotment of "life" is too short to squander, too precious to waste. Life is "non-transferable" ... nothing you do to another can lengthen yours by one millisecond. Once this realization is made (that this is the only "life" we get), it becomes clear that there is no greater "sin", crime or offense than taking another person's life.

Does that clear it up for you Zealot? You wanna believe killing somehow glorifies your miserable existence? Keep it over there. Thank you.

“There is no Truth in Faith”

Since: Dec 08

nowhere near a pound of $100's

#1302 Dec 21, 2012
MUQ wrote:
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I am asking what is your Proof that He existed? You did not bring any proofs?
How can I take your words of mouth?
Is that not what you ask from religious people, to bring proofs. So first bring proofs that Josephus really existed and then we will talk about what he "wrote".
A Ghost writer can write anything!!
Fine!! Someone calling themselves "Josephus" wrote a lot of manuscripts in 50+ AD. That person, whoever they actually were did exist, we know this because the manuscripts exist.

There isn't nearly that amount of evidence for this Jesus fella, seems Almighty God in human form woulda known enough to write something down.

Happy now?

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#1303 Dec 21, 2012
He is just throwing a temper tantrum because we won't accept, it's the will of Allah as the answer to everything.
Ooogah Boogah wrote:
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Fine!! Someone calling themselves "Josephus" wrote a lot of manuscripts in 50+ AD. That person, whoever they actually were did exist, we know this because the manuscripts exist.
There isn't nearly that amount of evidence for this Jesus fella, seems Almighty God in human form woulda known enough to write something down.
Happy now?

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