Why Atheism Will Replace Religion

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Please note that for this article "Atheism" also includes agnostics, deists, pagans, wiccans... in other words non-religious.

You will notice this is a statement of fact. And to be fact it is supported by evidence (see references below). Now you can have "faith" that this is not true, but by the very definition of faith, that is just wishful thinking. Full Story

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#102 Nov 30, 2012
downhill246 wrote:
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Could be.
"DNA molecules are informational molecules encoding the genetic instructions used in the development and functioning of all known living organisms."
"Information and intelligence are fundamental to the existence of the universe and life and, far from being the end products of an unguided natural process starting with energy and matter, they are involved from the very beginning”
John Carson Lennox ,Professor of Mathematics] at the University of Oxford, Fellow in Mathematics, Philosophy of Science
Have you seen the code? Do you know how it works? It's messy, full of disorganization written atop disorganization. It looks exactly as if evolution produced it and nothing like it was designed.

Lennox is merely re-presenting the argument from the design inference. He's looking at the results of unguided processes and concluding they were guided. His approach necessitates not understanding how matter organizes. Natural selection is apparent design, not design.

He is certainly welcome to make that inference of course. He's incapable of producing a model that explains the design inference, though, which is is why it will only ever be an inference. To turn the design inference into science, you'd have to frame it through a theoretical model that is both predictive and explanatory.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#103 Nov 30, 2012
downhill246 wrote:
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In his book,, Opiate of the Morally Corrupt, chapter 23, Dinesh D'Souza observes, based on numerous quotes from atheists themselves, that a deep prevailing motive of many following the atheistic worldview is the simple desire to escape divine judgment. Just saying.
hahaha!

That's great. You'll pardon me if I don't believe an apologist's account of atheists.

You've got a bunch of atheists here - why don't you just ask us?

Let me put it a different way. Harris came up with this, btw.

Imagine that the Muslims are correct. Then you and all the atheists are going to a hell of terrible tortures. Imagine that the (Chinese) Buddhists are correct - oh, hell again. Or the Norse. Then we both get to be servants forever. Or the Yanomami - if we're buried in the ground after death, we'll wander the earth forever without family, lonely.

Not a single one of those examples scares you. You aren't shaking, you're not worried. You won't lose any sleep over them.

You know why? Because you can immediately point out the logical flaws of any religion but your own.

Well, sorry sir, your myths don't frighten me anymore than any other religion's myths.

“My hand is over my crotch.”

Since: Jan 10

It's time to put it to use

#104 Nov 30, 2012
Colin The Zionist wrote:
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Leprechauns were not the point you said that it is illogical to believe in something that cannot be proved to exist. I am saying it is illogical to dismiss something you cannot disprove, and call it illogical. Logic does not work that way
It is pretty reasonable to believe that something does not exist due to the lack of evidence of it's existence. For example, I do not believe in leprechauns because there is no proof they did existed. If you show proof that they have existed, then I will be willing to change my mind. It is the same thing with god. You must show the proof that he existed, not the other way around.

“Israel for Ever and Ever”

Since: Nov 08

Right Here with my feet up

#105 Nov 30, 2012
emperorjohn wrote:
<quoted text> It is pretty reasonable to believe that something does not exist due to the lack of evidence of it's existence. For example, I do not believe in leprechauns because there is no proof they did existed. If you show proof that they have existed, then I will be willing to change my mind. It is the same thing with god. You must show the proof that he existed, not the other way around.
Reasonable yes Logical no. Proof = DNA
Jumper

Owensboro, KY

#106 Nov 30, 2012
What a party life is.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

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#107 Nov 30, 2012
Colin The Zionist wrote:
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Reasonable yes Logical no. Proof = DNA
Baby, DNA is proof that DNA exists. It's also really good evidence that natural forces produced life in the absence of design.

“Israel for Ever and Ever”

Since: Nov 08

Right Here with my feet up

#108 Nov 30, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Baby, DNA is proof that DNA exists. It's also really good evidence that natural forces produced life in the absence of design.
You obviously know nothing of DNA and mico biology.

“My hand is over my crotch.”

Since: Jan 10

It's time to put it to use

#109 Nov 30, 2012
Colin The Zionist wrote:
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Reasonable yes Logical no. Proof = DNA
Explain to us how DNA proves the existence of a magical sky daddy? What, did God leave a trace of his super divine sperm.

“Israel for Ever and Ever”

Since: Nov 08

Right Here with my feet up

#110 Dec 1, 2012
emperorjohn wrote:
<quoted text> Explain to us how DNA proves the existence of a magical sky daddy? What, did God leave a trace of his super divine sperm.
DNA does not prove the existence of a magical sky daddy. Get real.

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#111 Dec 1, 2012
Colin The Zionist wrote:
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You obviously know nothing of DNA and mico biology.
Boy are you going to be in for a surprise.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#112 Dec 1, 2012
Colin The Zionist wrote:
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You obviously know nothing of DNA and mico biology.
Yeah. I'm a professional in the field of evolution. I have forgotten quite a bit more than you've read in news pieces.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

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#113 Dec 1, 2012
Colin The Zionist wrote:
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DNA does not prove the existence of a magical sky daddy. Get real.
Now you are finally getting it.

Just spend the next 4 years getting a degree in microbiology and you'll understand a lot more about life.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

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#114 Dec 1, 2012
It looks like the theists have reached the end of their argument. They've recycled the argument from design, the watchmaker, the first cause and...uh...that's about it. Over and over.

Why don't they have better arguments? Why can't they do more with their belief system?

Why isn't there a "Christian biology" or a "Muslim geography"?

Religion has no meaningful, useful answers. At its very best, it's a path to spiritual enlightenment. At worst, it's used to harm the majority of people through subjugation and the creation if social hierarchies and structural violence.

And you know what? The people here defending religion are not the people benefiting from it - these are the ones on the bottom of the hierarchy, the lapdogs, screaming their allegiance.

It's a troubling sight, a man so happy about his servitude he needs to share. An ugly sight.
Thinking

North Tawton, UK

#115 Dec 1, 2012
Bacteria with more DNA than us... does not indicate great design.
Colin The Zionist wrote:
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DNA does not prove the existence of a magical sky daddy. Get real.

Since: Jun 07

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#116 Dec 1, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
It looks like the theists have reached the end of their argument. They've recycled the argument from design, the watchmaker, the first cause and...uh...that's about it. Over and over.
Why don't they have better arguments? Why can't they do more with their belief system?
Why isn't there a "Christian biology" or a "Muslim geography"?
Religion has no meaningful, useful answers. At its very best, it's a path to spiritual enlightenment. At worst, it's used to harm the majority of people through subjugation and the creation if social hierarchies and structural violence.
And you know what? The people here defending religion are not the people benefiting from it - these are the ones on the bottom of the hierarchy, the lapdogs, screaming their allegiance.
It's a troubling sight, a man so happy about his servitude he needs to share. An ugly sight.
I tell you. most people that come here are paid creationist or similar crazy shills.

There are simply no valid arguments for the existence of god, so they fall into the batsh*t insane category or the willful immoral lying tw*t category.

Since: Jun 07

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#117 Dec 1, 2012
Most of these shills try to engage in fake conversation so that they can drop in their religious talking points (ie lies).

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

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#118 Dec 1, 2012
-Skeptic- wrote:
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I tell you. most people that come here are paid creationist or similar crazy shills.
There are simply no valid arguments for the existence of god, so they fall into the batsh*t insane category or the willful immoral lying tw*t category.
You really think they're paid???
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#119 Dec 1, 2012
Very Cynical Person wrote:
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Heck, if the history of militant christians is an example of what a belief in God does to people, go with the atheist choice.
Naw, militant atheism holds the record for being Murder Incorporated on steroids. In the 20th century alone governments that promoted state atheism killed more people than Christianity did in 2000 years.
Max

Montréal, Canada

#120 Dec 1, 2012
downhill246 wrote:
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Naw, militant atheism holds the record for being Murder Incorporated on steroids. In the 20th century alone governments that promoted state atheism killed more people than Christianity did in 2000 years.
Not only do I highly doubt that, but I'm 100% that they didn't kill more than Islam did.
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#121 Dec 1, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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hahaha!
That's great. You'll pardon me if I don't believe an apologist's account of atheists.
You've got a bunch of atheists here - why don't you just ask us?
Let me put it a different way. Harris came up with this, btw.
Imagine that the Muslims are correct. Then you and all the atheists are going to a hell of terrible tortures. Imagine that the (Chinese) Buddhists are correct - oh, hell again. Or the Norse. Then we both get to be servants forever. Or the Yanomami - if we're buried in the ground after death, we'll wander the earth forever without family, lonely.
Not a single one of those examples scares you. You aren't shaking, you're not worried. You won't lose any sleep over them.
You know why? Because you can immediately point out the logical flaws of any religion but your own.
Well, sorry sir, your myths don't frighten me anymore than any other religion's myths.
Sounds like you want to play a game of Russian Roulette believing you don't have a care in the world because the old guy that loads the gun can't remember if he put a bullet in the chamber.
But for argument's sake, imagine if the atheists is correct. We would all have tombstones that say "All Dressed up and Nowhere to Go" and Rev R. Dawkins would preside over the eulogy at the First Church of the Six foot Hole in The Ground with assorted non religious icons like shovels and a photo of Madelyn Murray O'Hair on the altar.

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