Why Atheism Will Replace Religion

Aug 27, 2012 Full story: News24 14,385

Please note that for this article "Atheism" also includes agnostics, deists, pagans, wiccans... in other words non-religious.

You will notice this is a statement of fact. And to be fact it is supported by evidence (see references below). Now you can have "faith" that this is not true, but by the very definition of faith, that is just wishful thinking. Full Story
Thinking

Andover, UK

#987 Dec 12, 2012
Galileo had to say a lot of things to stop the church from killing him.
downhill246 wrote:
<quoted text>
I think it was the great Galileo Galilei that said,
"Mathematics is the language with which God has written the universe."
I think he was right.
"Why nature is mathematical is a mystery...The fact that there are rules at all is a kind of miracle."
Richard Feynman, Nobel Prize winner for quantum electrodynamics
The Meaning of It All: Thoughts of a Citizen-Scientist (New York: BasicBooks, 1998), 43.
"We know that nature is described by the best of all possible mathematics because God created it." -
Alexander Polyakov (Soviet mathematician)

“Jeezuz in the Potty”

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#989 Dec 12, 2012
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
So you go to a museum and "compare" your features against an ape?
And then you come back fully "convinced" and start shouting "Humans and Apes descended from the same ancestor"
How scientific and reasonable!!
Odd this.

You belong to a cult that will shoot a 14 year old child for speaking her mind, then attempt to advise us on evolutionary science.

Christopher Hitchens wrote "Religion poisons everything". He was right.

“Jeezuz in the Potty”

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#990 Dec 12, 2012
downhill246 wrote:
<quoted text>
Yawn
And these are only some of the the Catholics
Fallopius,Roman Catholic, for whom the Fallopian tube was named, was an eminent physiologist.
Braille, Roman Catholic, invented the Braille system for the blind.
De Chauliac, Roman Catholic, a Papal physician, was the father of modern surgery and hospitals.
Columbo, Roman Catholic, discovered the pulmonary circulation of the blood.
Eustachius, Roman Catholic, for whom the Eustachian tube was named, was one of the founders of modern anatomy.
Kircher, Roman Catholic priest, made the first definite statement of the germ theory of disease
Lancist, Roman catholic, a Papal physician, was the father of clinical medicine.
Lavoisier, Roman Catholic, is called Father of Modern Chemistry.
Muller, Roman Catholic, was the greatest biologist of the 19th century, founder of modern physiology.
Pasteur, Roman Catholic, called the "Father of Bacteriology," and inventor of bio-therapeutics, was the leading scientist of the 19th century.
Theodoric, Roman Catholic Bishop, discovered anesthesia in the 13th century.
Vesalius, Roman Catholic, was the founder of modern anatomical science.
Carrell,Roman catholic, Nobel prize winner in medicine and physiology, is renowned for his work in surgical technique.
Fabricius, Roman Catholic, discovered the valvular system of the veins.
Laennec, Roman Catholic, invented the stethoscope.
Malpighi,Roman Catholic, a Papal physician, was a botanist, and the father of comparative physiology.
Morgagni,Roman Catholic, founder of modern pathology; made important studies in aneurisms.
Gregory Mendel, Roman Catholic, was the father of genetics
Copernicus, Romsan Catholic priest, expounded the Copernican system.
Galileo,Roman Catholic, astronomer, is the father of experimental science.
Guttenberg, Roman Catholic, invented the printng press.
Enrico Fermi, Roman Catholic, pioneer in atomic physics.
Anything more recent? Back in those days, even Enrico Fermi's time most people were religious....or at least said they were.

You cannot sustain science with religious swill. The consciousness of a rational human cannot believe in the flood, virgin birth, resurrection and god, then do real science.

How can anyone regard a cult, like the RCC, who systematically allowed the rape and abuse of children, any authority on anything, let alone scientific scientific knowledge.
Thinking

Andover, UK

#991 Dec 12, 2012
How many new cases of islamic Female Genital Mutilation were there today in Saudi? And how many back home in the subcontinent?
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
So you go to a museum and "compare" your features against an ape?
And then you come back fully "convinced" and start shouting "Humans and Apes descended from the same ancestor"
How scientific and reasonable!!

Since: Mar 11

United States

#992 Dec 12, 2012
83 years and MAIN POINT you will need to show all these atheists who look up to the guy as a hero. Hurry up now half wit.
downhill246 wrote:
<quoted text>
So me going back 83 years ro make an argument is bad ,you going back three thousand years to make an argument is good. Have you been an idiot all your life ?

Since: Mar 11

United States

#993 Dec 12, 2012
Exactly! I almost bust a gut laughing when Christholes use Galileo of all people for talking points!
Thinking wrote:
Galileo had to say a lot of things to stop the church from killing him.
<quoted text>

Since: Mar 11

United States

#994 Dec 12, 2012
Yet you believe in Allah's holy she camel?

Lmfao!
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
So you go to a museum and "compare" your features against an ape?
And then you come back fully "convinced" and start shouting "Humans and Apes descended from the same ancestor"
How scientific and reasonable!!

Since: Apr 08

Nottingham, UK

#995 Dec 12, 2012
downhill246 wrote:
<quoted text>
Yawn
And these are only some of the the Catholics
Fallopius,Roman Catholic, for whom the Fallopian tube was named, was an eminent physiologist.
Braille, Roman Catholic, invented the Braille system for the blind.
De Chauliac, Roman Catholic, a Papal physician, was the father of modern surgery and hospitals.
Columbo, Roman Catholic, discovered the pulmonary circulation of the blood.
Eustachius, Roman Catholic, for whom the Eustachian tube was named, was one of the founders of modern anatomy.
Kircher, Roman Catholic priest, made the first definite statement of the germ theory of disease
Lancist, Roman catholic, a Papal physician, was the father of clinical medicine.
Lavoisier, Roman Catholic, is called Father of Modern Chemistry.
Muller, Roman Catholic, was the greatest biologist of the 19th century, founder of modern physiology.
Pasteur, Roman Catholic, called the "Father of Bacteriology," and inventor of bio-therapeutics, was the leading scientist of the 19th century.
Theodoric, Roman Catholic Bishop, discovered anesthesia in the 13th century.
Vesalius, Roman Catholic, was the founder of modern anatomical science.
Carrell,Roman catholic, Nobel prize winner in medicine and physiology, is renowned for his work in surgical technique.
Fabricius, Roman Catholic, discovered the valvular system of the veins.
Laennec, Roman Catholic, invented the stethoscope.
Malpighi,Roman Catholic, a Papal physician, was a botanist, and the father of comparative physiology.
Morgagni,Roman Catholic, founder of modern pathology; made important studies in aneurisms.
Gregory Mendel, Roman Catholic, was the father of genetics
Copernicus, Romsan Catholic priest, expounded the Copernican system.
Galileo,Roman Catholic, astronomer, is the father of experimental science.
Guttenberg, Roman Catholic, invented the printng press.
Enrico Fermi, Roman Catholic, pioneer in atomic physics.
Strange that you include Johannes Gutenberg in your list - I've just mentioned him in another post:

Notwithstanding the Chinese, who had them centuries before Europe; prior to the printing press, the RCC had a monopoly on the production of documents and books. They also had the authority and influence to ensure that any documents it deemed to be heretical could be seized and destroyed as well as having the authors tortured and killed.

Thankfully and despite the best efforts of the RCC to prevent it, printing presses took book copying out of the hands of the church. This led to more and more secular publications which would shake the foundations of centuries of Christian thought.

Christian thought like:

"Empty your minds of secular knowledge."
-John Chrysostom, Holy Hierarch of Constantinople (347-407)-

Scripture gives no false information. & "Since God has spoken to us it is no longer necessary for us to think."
St Augustine of Hippo,(354-430)-

"Unbaptised babies go straight to Hell and suffer there for all eternity." & "All sexual desire is sinful in itself and is justified only for the sake of children." & "Ignorance is the mother of piety"
-Pope Gregory I,(590-604)-

The RCC has always claimed to be the source of truth. This, of course, makes it difficult to admit that they're ever wrong. That in itself discourages questioning/scepticism that arises from the use of reason and logic. It's little wonder that it took over a thousand years for science to truly develop under Christianity.

As we came out of the Middle Ages, enlightened people began to realise that RCC viewpoints rules were increasingly remote from the modern world. Christianity was all about unswerving obedience.
Disobedience carried heavy punishments, including torture, death and excommunication, which Catholics are taught will endanger their immortal souls.

Whatever way you look at it, centuries of Christianity stunted the use of logic and reason and with it the growth of learning and knowledge.

Since: Nov 12

El Cerrito, CA

#996 Dec 12, 2012
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>Atheism is in no way an "ism". It is the dearth of an "ism". Just like the "a" at the beginning of the word "atheist", is what causes the word "atheist" to mean "not a theist". The non believer doesn't believe, the atheist is without theism.
It is still a belief system, and a very illogical one at that because to hold the atheist belief system one has to ignore 40,000+ years of intense human interest and activity centered around spiritual perceived events and forces. No scientist in their right mind would ignore the huge weight of this evidence of Something more than physical forces operating on the human mind. And now brain science has found our human brains are actually hardwired to have religious experiences, and as a former atheist who underwent such experience I know that all atheists are just talking utter blather about reality that they only partially perceive and think, that they aren't blind because atheism is actually an ego trip ideology held by people like you who will probably never look at any evidence that overturns your ego platform based on battling fundamentalist Christianity as the easy target it is and therefore "safe" for psuedo-rationalism, i.e., atheism.

Only agnosticism is a valid philosophical stance that follows the Scientific Method. Atheism has already made up its mind by ignoring any evidence to the contrary of the ideology. Which makes atheism exactly like any other fundamentalist belief system.
Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#998 Dec 12, 2012
biomystic wrote:
<quoted text>
Only agnosticism is a valid philosophical stance that follows the Scientific Method.
You can be both an Agnostic and An Atheist. Atheist because you dont believe in gods, and Agnostic because the claim for the existence of a an entity outside of nature is unprovable.

Since: Apr 08

Nottingham, UK

#999 Dec 12, 2012
downhill246 wrote:
<quoted text>
Since you have no links of your own you are using mine? In that case,here are some more. for your reading pleasure.
Just pointing out your general failure to use impartial sources, that's all.

While your quotes may address the slow and creeping progress made by science during nearly 1500 years of Christianity; they do little to account for the huge explosion in science beginning with the enlightenment and continuing into this day and age.

In other words, the weaker Christianity is, the greater science and reason are.

“There are other issues.”

Since: May 09

Location hidden

#1000 Dec 12, 2012
biomystic wrote:
<quoted text>It is still a belief system, and a very illogical one at that because to hold the atheist belief system one has to ignore 40,000+ years of intense human interest and activity centered around spiritual perceived events and forces. No scientist in their right mind would ignore the huge weight of this evidence of Something more than physical forces operating on the human mind. And now brain science has found our human brains are actually hardwired to have religious experiences, and as a former atheist who underwent such experience I know that all atheists are just talking utter blather about reality that they only partially perceive and think, that they aren't blind because atheism is actually an ego trip ideology held by people like you who will probably never look at any evidence that overturns your ego platform based on battling fundamentalist Christianity as the easy target it is and therefore "safe" for psuedo-rationalism, i.e., atheism.

Only agnosticism is a valid philosophical stance that follows the Scientific Method. Atheism has already made up its mind by ignoring any evidence to the contrary of the ideology. Which makes atheism exactly like any other fundamentalist belief system.
Very strong argument here!

Since: Apr 08

Nottingham, UK

#1001 Dec 12, 2012
downhill246 wrote:
I think it was the great Galileo Galilei that said,
"Mathematics is the language with which God has written the universe."
I think he was right.
Galileo was under threat of torture and death.

Do you also think Galileo was right when he published the findings of his observations?

Your church didn't.

I guess you disassociate yourself from those foolish people, eh?

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#1002 Dec 12, 2012
biomystic wrote:
<quoted text>
It is still a belief system, and a very illogical one at that because to hold the atheist belief system one has to ignore 40,000+ years of intense human interest and activity centered around spiritual perceived events and forces. No scientist in their right mind would ignore the huge weight of this evidence of Something more than physical forces operating on the human mind. And now brain science has found our human brains are actually hardwired to have religious experiences, and as a former atheist who underwent such experience I know that all atheists are just talking utter blather about reality that they only partially perceive and think, that they aren't blind because atheism is actually an ego trip ideology held by people like you who will probably never look at any evidence that overturns your ego platform based on battling fundamentalist Christianity as the easy target it is and therefore "safe" for psuedo-rationalism, i.e., atheism.
Only agnosticism is a valid philosophical stance that follows the Scientific Method. Atheism has already made up its mind by ignoring any evidence to the contrary of the ideology. Which makes atheism exactly like any other fundamentalist belief system.
When you misrepresent atheism with such an absurd straw man caricature of what atheism really is, your whole rant becomes just so much spam.

The ease at which you lie makes me think you are actually just another Christian bearing false witness about yourself.

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#1003 Dec 12, 2012
Thinking wrote:
Galileo had to say a lot of things to stop the church from killing him.
<quoted text>
So did Giordano Bruno, and the Roman Catholic Church murdered him anyway.

“Blue Collar Philosopher”

Since: Nov 08

Texas, USA

#1004 Dec 12, 2012
biomystic wrote:
<quoted text>
"detris", "insanity"? Because you can't get it that of course all thoughts including religious ones are processed in our brains? You know what I'm talking about? That even when you take your measuring stick to the see how far the apple fell from the tree you couldn't do it without using your brains to see and comprehend. So try another crummy putdown. That one doesn't work because it applies to everything you think too.
Religious experience exists solely in our brains. Physical reality doesn't care whether we exist or not. Of course, our brains / sensory apparatus try to interpret physical reality ... often poorly. That's why we invented "Science" to eliminate the ambiguity. It's not a "crummy putdown" ... it's just the way it is.

“Blue Collar Philosopher”

Since: Nov 08

Texas, USA

#1005 Dec 12, 2012
biomystic wrote:
<quoted text>
It is still a belief system, and a very illogical one at that because to hold the atheist belief system one has to ignore 40,000+ years of intense human interest and activity centered around spiritual perceived events and forces. No scientist in their right mind would ignore the huge weight of this evidence of Something more than physical forces operating on the human mind. And now brain science has found our human brains are actually hardwired to have religious experiences, and as a former atheist who underwent such experience I know that all atheists are just talking utter blather about reality that they only partially perceive and think, that they aren't blind because atheism is actually an ego trip ideology held by people like you who will probably never look at any evidence that overturns your ego platform based on battling fundamentalist Christianity as the easy target it is and therefore "safe" for psuedo-rationalism, i.e., atheism.
Only agnosticism is a valid philosophical stance that follows the Scientific Method. Atheism has already made up its mind by ignoring any evidence to the contrary of the ideology. Which makes atheism exactly like any other fundamentalist belief system.
I'm sorry, but 40000+ years of interest nor 8 billion people's opinions does not constitute one iota of evidence for a spiritual reality. The instruments and methodology of science has revealed reality from the components of sub-atomic particles to the vast expanse of the Universe, revealed by such endeavors as the Hubble Ultra-deep Field imagery. There's no signs of "spirits" (of any description) anywhere in this data. Anything OUTSIDE of this data set is conjecture and has little more than entertainment value, until and unless it can or has made it through the extremely fine sieve scientific scrutiny.
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#1006 Dec 12, 2012
Thinking wrote:
Galileo had to say a lot of things to stop the church from killing him.
<quoted text>

Antoine Lavoisier ,Father of modern Chemistry, wasn't as lucky when the atheists and secularists sent him to the guillotine during the French Revolution.
Thinking

Andover, UK

#1007 Dec 12, 2012
You should know that paying your taxes was not popular in the late 1700s.
downhill246 wrote:
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Antoine Lavoisier ,Father of modern Chemistry, wasn't as lucky when the atheists and secularists sent him to the guillotine during the French Revolution.
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#1008 Dec 12, 2012
RHill wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm sorry, but 40000+ years of interest nor 8 billion people's opinions does not constitute one iota of evidence for a spiritual reality. The instruments and methodology of science has revealed reality from the components of sub-atomic particles to the vast expanse of the Universe, revealed by such endeavors as the Hubble Ultra-deep Field imagery. There's no signs of "spirits" (of any description) anywhere in this data. Anything OUTSIDE of this data set is conjecture and has little more than entertainment value, until and unless it can or has made it through the extremely fine sieve scientific scrutiny.
What were you expecting, high definition photos of God sitting on his throne?

"By its own definition, science is incapable of examining or testing for the existence of things that have no physical effects, because its methods rely on the observation of physical effects. Science concerns itself with what can be measured and seen through normal human observation, often with the help of instruments. If supernatural phenomena or beings were to exist, scientific methods would not detect them consistently. So the lack of scientific evidence does not matter."

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