Why Atheism Will Replace Religion

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Please note that for this article "Atheism" also includes agnostics, deists, pagans, wiccans... in other words non-religious.

You will notice this is a statement of fact. And to be fact it is supported by evidence (see references below). Now you can have "faith" that this is not true, but by the very definition of faith, that is just wishful thinking. Full Story

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

33.00, -111.51

#967 Dec 11, 2012
Incidentally, for anyone who doubts that we are at war with Muslim terrorists, there was a Muslim terrorist attack here recently.

I was born and raised in New York, and lived there more than 50 years. I worked in the World Trade Center from time to time over the years. My brother-in-law, Dennis Scauso, FDNY, Hazat-1, I knew from the age of 10 years old to the age of 46 years old. He was killed at the World Trade Center on Septhember 11th. His human remains were never found.

Last year, I decided to move here to southern Arizona, primarily for the warm weather. I never heard of Casa Grande, AZ, nor Coolidge, AZ until moving here this past October. The last week of November I made a trip to the Social Security office in Casa Grande to correct a misspelling in their records.

About 2 days later, Abdullatif Ali Aldosary, a Muslim terrorist who is an Iraqi national here illegally, bombed the Social Security office in Casa Grande (I'm guessing it was the closest federal office he could find).

More surprising than that, was the fact that about 100 agents of the FBI, ATF, the Federal Protective Service, the Office of the Inspector General-Social Security Administration, the Coolidge Police Department, the Casa Grande Police Department, the Phoenix Police Department, and the Pinal Count Sherriff's Dept. descended on his home here in Coolidge, AZ, a couple of blocks from my house, and arrested him.

Police found a rifle, ammunition, bomb-making chemicals and documents on how to make RDX, a powerful military explosive that officials say is often used in terrorist attacks. They found documents on how to make explosives and recipes from a book on making explosive devices as well as 1000 rounds of ammunition, including 200 rounds of Russian-made ball and hollow-point ammunition.

Now, I never heard of Coolidge, AZ before moving here as it is a very small city. And so this is one of the last places one would think a terrorist is planning his evil deeds and hiding out. Yet here he was a few blocks form me. These Muslim terrorist attacks can happen ANYWHERE at ANYTIME !

We ARE in a WAR with Islamic terrorists who want to kill us ! And anyone who denies that TRUTH is either not willing to face reality, or is a fellow traveller.

Since: Mar 11

Sellersburg, IN

#968 Dec 11, 2012
You pray to Allah through his holy she camel yes scientifically proven fossil records mean nothing to you.

Why won't you talk about the holy she camel of Allah?
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
And what is reason my great guru?
Where is your "evidence" than men and ape had common ancestors?
Woody

Duncanville, TX

#969 Dec 11, 2012
Religion the root of all evil
Mona Lott

Hoboken, NJ

#970 Dec 11, 2012
Colin The Zionist wrote:
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Chemistry over millions of year is called faith.
Do some chemicals nite devolved out of wet rocks.
Where has it been observed in the lab post proof.
You claim knowledge of shy happened 500 million years ago. How did you or any oneor anything observe that.
Nope. Chemistry over millions of years is called ARITHMETIC. Radioactive elements decay at a fixed rate. That's how we determine how old something is.

You wouldn't be making your silly comments if you had paid attention in school.
Mona Lott

Hoboken, NJ

#971 Dec 11, 2012
MUQ wrote:
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And what is reason my great guru?
Where is your "evidence" than men and ape had common ancestors?
It's called a museum.

Since: Apr 08

Nottingham, UK

#972 Dec 11, 2012
Mona Lott wrote:
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Nope. Chemistry over millions of years is called ARITHMETIC. Radioactive elements decay at a fixed rate. That's how we determine how old something is.
You wouldn't be making your silly comments if you had paid attention in school.
I think it was the great Carl Sagan who said that "Chemistry is numbers"

He was right.
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#973 Dec 11, 2012
Givemeliberty wrote:
But Jephtha is a hero and saint in your religion for sacrificing his daughter. I am sure he called out to God as he killed her.
Now this person you spammed about you call a role model for atheists? You will need to show proof that atheists looked up to this guy and I have yet to see a word about him calling himself an atheist so the point is moot. As usual.
Wow you have to go back 83 years to dig up this non atheist for your off topic spam. Lmfao!
Jephtha a hero this chump from 83 years ago not looked up to nor even heard of by 99.999999% of atheists. Do show where atheists celebrate him or be factually crushed as usual. We will be waiting or shall we just go ahead and accept your defeat?
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So me going back 83 years ro make an argument is bad ,you going back three thousand years to make an argument is good. Have you been an idiot all your life ?
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#974 Dec 11, 2012
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>
Busted?
Far from it.
China was well into decline by the dates you mention. Their period of science and invention had been and gone.
After nearly 1400 years of Christianity, the civilization of Western Europe was a squalid place with constant warfare between its quarrelling kingdoms. Western Europe with all its Christians was lagging behind the civilizations of China and the Ottoman Turks. This is what 1400 years of Christianity had done for Western Europe.


Yawn
And these are only some of the the Catholics

Fallopius,Roman Catholic, for whom the Fallopian tube was named, was an eminent physiologist.

Braille, Roman Catholic, invented the Braille system for the blind.

De Chauliac, Roman Catholic, a Papal physician, was the father of modern surgery and hospitals.

Columbo, Roman Catholic, discovered the pulmonary circulation of the blood.

Eustachius, Roman Catholic, for whom the Eustachian tube was named, was one of the founders of modern anatomy.

Kircher, Roman Catholic priest, made the first definite statement of the germ theory of disease

Lancist, Roman catholic, a Papal physician, was the father of clinical medicine.

Lavoisier, Roman Catholic, is called Father of Modern Chemistry.

Muller, Roman Catholic, was the greatest biologist of the 19th century, founder of modern physiology.

Pasteur, Roman Catholic, called the "Father of Bacteriology," and inventor of bio-therapeutics, was the leading scientist of the 19th century.

Theodoric, Roman Catholic Bishop, discovered anesthesia in the 13th century.

Vesalius, Roman Catholic, was the founder of modern anatomical science.

Carrell,Roman catholic, Nobel prize winner in medicine and physiology, is renowned for his work in surgical technique.

Fabricius, Roman Catholic, discovered the valvular system of the veins.

Laennec, Roman Catholic, invented the stethoscope.

Malpighi,Roman Catholic, a Papal physician, was a botanist, and the father of comparative physiology.

Morgagni,Roman Catholic, founder of modern pathology; made important studies in aneurisms.

Gregory Mendel, Roman Catholic, was the father of genetics

Copernicus, Romsan Catholic priest, expounded the Copernican system.

Galileo,Roman Catholic, astronomer, is the father of experimental science.

Guttenberg, Roman Catholic, invented the printng press.
Enrico Fermi, Roman Catholic, pioneer in atomic physics.
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#975 Dec 11, 2012
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>
Millions, perhaps billions of years of chemical reactions leading to life is still a more likely explanation than magic.


LOl

"Some researchers have attempted to calculate the bare minimum required for a living, self-replicating cell. Eugenie Koonin and others came up with a result of 256 genes. They expressed doubt, however, as to whether such a hypothetical bug could survive, because such an organism could barely repair DNA damage and would lack the ability to digest complex compounds, and would require a comprehensive supply of organic nutrients in its environment.

Follow up research led by Hamilton Smith at the J. Craig Venter Institute in Rockville in 2006 indicates that the minimum genome consists of 387 protein-coding and 43 RNA-coding genes. Yet even this ‘simple’ organism possesses far too much information to be expected from time and chance without natural selection. Clearly natural selection cannot help, as this requires self-replicating entities -- therefore it cannot be invoked to explain their origin.

The information theorist Hubert Yockey calculated that given a pool of pure, activated biological amino acids -- and granting as much as 109 years -- a total amount of information which could be produced would only be a single small polypeptide 49 amino acid residues long. This is about 1/8 the size of a typical protein. But the hypothetical cell described above requires at least 256 proteins. Yockey’s estimate not only grants a generous 10 9 years, but also assumes that the many as yet non-surmounted chemical hurdles can be overcome.
http://www.allaboutscience.org/life-and-abiog...

Busted!
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#976 Dec 11, 2012
Typo That would be 10 to the 9th power.
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#977 Dec 11, 2012
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>
From your link...
"Assyrians continued living in their homeland throughout this dark age, until that momentous moment in human history, when the Lord Son of God gave himself for the salvation of mankind."
Hardly an impartial account, eh?
Yet despite all these Assyrian Christians there was still no scientific revolution.
Since you have no links of your own you are using mine? In that case,here are some more. for your reading pleasure.

During the so called Dark Ages universities were born, the foundation for modern science was laid. The Carolingian Renaissance was a period of advancements in literature, writing, the arts, architecture, jurisprudence, liturgical and scriptural studies which occurred in the late eighth and ninth centuries. In the Byzantine empire during this period we saw a massive outpouring of books – encyclopedias, lexicons, and anthologies.‘Notions such as:“the rise of Christianity killed off ancient science”,“the medieval Christian Church suppressed the growth of the natural sciences”,“the medieval Christians thought that the world was flat”, and “the Church prohibited autopsies and dissections during the Middle Ages”[are] examples of widely popular myths that still pass as historical truth, even though they are not supported by historical research.’

Ronald Numbers , the Hilldale and William Coleman Professor of the History of Science and Medicine at the University of Wisconsin–Madison.

The [medieval] monk was an intellectual ancestor of the scientists.”
[Lynn T. White, The Significance of Medieval Christianity, in The Validity of the Christian Tradition, Harper and Brothers, p.96]

Europe owes more to the Christian faith than most people realize. When the barbarians destroyed the Roman Empire in the West, it was the Christian church that put together a new order called Europe. The church took the lead in rule by law, the pursuit of knowledge, and the expressions of culture. The under lying concept was Christendom, which united empire and church.”
[ Bruce L. Shelly, Church History in Plain Language, 1996 (updated 2nd edition), Thomas Nelson Publisher, p. 161.]

..........
The early Benedictine and Irish Catholic monks literally saved Western Civilization. With the rule of the Barbarians in the Middle ages literacy was of little importance to these conquerors. This resulted in the scarce supply of books and few libraries that had been established up to and under the Roman and Byzantine Empires left un-preserved or destroyed. Thanks entirely to the Monastic Movement, which began to strengthen in the early middle ages, education and civilized culture were not lost. This era is characterized by the rapid growth of these monasteries which were religious communities in which men and women lived in isolation from the rest of the population. It was here that the Monks recorded, taught and preserved the Western Christian Civilization for the benefit of mankind.

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downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#978 Dec 11, 2012
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>
I think it was the great Carl Sagan who said that "Chemistry is numbers"
He was right.
I think it was the great Galileo Galilei that said,
"Mathematics is the language with which God has written the universe."

I think he was right.

"Why nature is mathematical is a mystery...The fact that there are rules at all is a kind of miracle."
Richard Feynman, Nobel Prize winner for quantum electrodynamics
The Meaning of It All: Thoughts of a Citizen-Scientist (New York: BasicBooks, 1998), 43.


"We know that nature is described by the best of all possible mathematics because God created it." -
Alexander Polyakov (Soviet mathematician)

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

33.00, -111.51

#979 Dec 11, 2012
downhill246 wrote:
<quoted text>
I think it was the great Galileo Galilei that said,
"Mathematics is the language with which God has written the universe."
I think he was right.
"Why nature is mathematical is a mystery...The fact that there are rules at all is a kind of miracle."
Richard Feynman, Nobel Prize winner for quantum electrodynamics
The Meaning of It All: Thoughts of a Citizen-Scientist (New York: BasicBooks, 1998), 43.
"We know that nature is described by the best of all possible mathematics because God created it." -
Alexander Polyakov (Soviet mathematician)
NATURE, is mathematics.

“There are other issues.”

Since: May 09

Location hidden

#980 Dec 11, 2012
Givemeliberty wrote:
<quoted text>You pray to Allah through his holy she camel yes scientifically proven fossil records mean nothing to you.

Why won't you talk about the holy she camel of Allah?
They mean nothing to your wife who is catholic. Why don't you argue with her about it? No balls!
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#981 Dec 11, 2012
Fa-Foxy wrote:
<quoted text>
NATURE, is mathematics.
Thank God.

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

33.00, -111.51

#982 Dec 11, 2012
downhill246 wrote:
<quoted text>
Thank God.
Yes. Because He wrote it.

The universe is a really big computer program.

As an example, in DNA, there are 4 bases which are: Adenine, Thymine, Cytosine and Guinine.

Because Adenine always binds with Thymine, and Cytosine always binds with Guinine, the base pairs can be labelled A-G and T-C. One can than consider A-G to be represented by a "0", and T-C to be represented by a "1". This it is a binary (digital) code just like modern computer programs. It is though, obviously far more complex. But it IS mathematics in the form of a digital computer code.

Since: Nov 12

Oakland, CA

#983 Dec 11, 2012
RHill wrote:
<quoted text>
So the right-side brain handles spiritual "reality"?? LOL. At least you recognize that all this religious stuff, rather belief or non-belief, takes place right there in the old cranium! I'm sure you can have profound religious experience without leaving the comfort of your own sofa. Our brains evolved to ensure survival of our species. Religious experience is some of the detritus from this process, as are the various other forms of insanity. We are, gratefully, learning to deal with it.
"detris", "insanity"? Because you can't get it that of course all thoughts including religious ones are processed in our brains? You know what I'm talking about? That even when you take your measuring stick to the see how far the apple fell from the tree you couldn't do it without using your brains to see and comprehend. So try another crummy putdown. That one doesn't work because it applies to everything you think too.

Since: Nov 12

Oakland, CA

#984 Dec 11, 2012
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>Wow, that was one hell of a word salad, but you really didn't manage to say anything. The "a" at the beginning of the word "atheist", is what causes the word "atheist" to mean "not a theist". The non believer doesn't believe, the atheist is without theism. You are lying about who you are, while you were atheist(without theism) when you were very young, it was before you learned to think for yourself. That is blatantly clear from your inability to even understand who it is you are trying to invalidate.
That's a good one: "You are lying about who you are" Oh really? And how did I do that? Because you want me to accept your efforts to wriggle out of my criticism? It happens that before my religious experience changed everything in my life I was just what you describe for atheist p.o.v. I didn't think about religion or God in any serious way. Spiritual consciousness was foreign to me and I was a "science explains all" type of atheist believer. That's why it was so surprising to me that I would go through a religious conversion experience but I did and like I say, once your consciousness is expanded to include the spiritual realm it can never go backwards into a lesser awareness. Going back to atheism would be like cutting out your right-brain functionality and that's not good for anyone.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#985 Dec 11, 2012
biomystic wrote:
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That's a good one: "You are lying about who you are" Oh really? And how did I do that? Because you want me to accept your efforts to wriggle out of my criticism? It happens that before my religious experience changed everything in my life I was just what you describe for atheist p.o.v. I didn't think about religion or God in any serious way. Spiritual consciousness was foreign to me and I was a "science explains all" type of atheist believer. That's why it was so surprising to me that I would go through a religious conversion experience but I did and like I say, once your consciousness is expanded to include the spiritual realm it can never go backwards into a lesser awareness. Going back to atheism would be like cutting out your right-brain functionality and that's not good for anyone.
Atheism is in no way an "ism". It is the dearth of an "ism". Just like the "a" at the beginning of the word "atheist", is what causes the word "atheist" to mean "not a theist". The non believer doesn't believe, the atheist is without theism.
Thinking

Andover, UK

#986 Dec 12, 2012
Parody site, and you fell for it.
downhill246 wrote:
<quoted text>
LOl
"Some researchers have attempted to calculate the bare minimum required for a living, self-replicating cell. Eugenie Koonin and others came up with a result of 256 genes. They expressed doubt, however, as to whether such a hypothetical bug could survive, because such an organism could barely repair DNA damage and would lack the ability to digest complex compounds, and would require a comprehensive supply of organic nutrients in its environment.
Follow up research led by Hamilton Smith at the J. Craig Venter Institute in Rockville in 2006 indicates that the minimum genome consists of 387 protein-coding and 43 RNA-coding genes. Yet even this ‘simple’ organism possesses far too much information to be expected from time and chance without natural selection. Clearly natural selection cannot help, as this requires self-replicating entities -- therefore it cannot be invoked to explain their origin.
The information theorist Hubert Yockey calculated that given a pool of pure, activated biological amino acids -- and granting as much as 109 years -- a total amount of information which could be produced would only be a single small polypeptide 49 amino acid residues long. This is about 1/8 the size of a typical protein. But the hypothetical cell described above requires at least 256 proteins. Yockey’s estimate not only grants a generous 10 9 years, but also assumes that the many as yet non-surmounted chemical hurdles can be overcome.
http://www.allaboutscience.org/life-and-abiog...
Busted!

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