Why Atheism Will Replace Religion

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Please note that for this article "Atheism" also includes agnostics, deists, pagans, wiccans... in other words non-religious.

You will notice this is a statement of fact. And to be fact it is supported by evidence (see references below). Now you can have "faith" that this is not true, but by the very definition of faith, that is just wishful thinking. Full Story

“Trolls are Clueless”

Since: Dec 07

Aptos, California

#9506 Apr 19, 2013
Educated What wrote:
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Please enlighten me.
Natural selection in the plant world for one. Genetic studies are another example and readily verifiable.

“Trolls are Clueless”

Since: Dec 07

Aptos, California

#9507 Apr 19, 2013
Educated What wrote:
<quoted text>
Please enlighten me.
People have been getting bigger and taller.

The Mexican race of people evolved from a mix of European Caucasians and Native American indigenous people.
Thinking

Ashford, UK

#9508 Apr 19, 2013
We used to have hedgehog flavour crisps (chips) over here...
Lacez wrote:
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I rather enjoyed the cheeseburger flavoured Doritos.

Since: May 11

UK

#9509 Apr 19, 2013
Thinking wrote:
We used to have hedgehog flavour crisps (chips) over here...
<quoted text>
Tudor Crisps I believe?

Waye aye man, for choodah ahl climb a mountain(best geordie vernacular).

“Liberty & Justice For All”

Since: Aug 11

United States of America

#9510 Apr 19, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Very correct. As our knowledge improves, some "models" of God might fade away, but the concept shall never go, because it is "built-into" our sub conscience.
Well said, MUQ

“There is no Truth in Faith”

Since: Dec 08

nowhere near a pound of $100's

#9511 Apr 19, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
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Your book is myth
There is zero evidence you should know this
Like those of the Jewish writer Josephus, the works of the ancient historians Pliny, Suetonius and Tacitus do not provide proof that Jesus Christ ever existed as a "historical" character.
Pliny the Younger, Roman Official and Historian (62-113 CE)
Tacitus, Roman Politician and Historian,(c. 56-120 CE)
Suetonius, Roman Historian (c. 69-c. 122 CE)
When addressing the mythical nature of Jesus Christ, one issue repeatedly raised is the purported "evidence" of his existence to be found in the writings of Flavius Josephus, the famed Jewish general and historian who lived from about 37 to 100 CE.
In Josephus's Antiquities of the Jews appears the notorious passage regarding Christ called the "Testimonium Flavianum" ("TF"):
"Now, there was about this time, Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works,--a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure.
He drew over to him both many of the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ; and when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day."
The are: No sculptures, no drawings, no markings in stone, nothing written in his own hand; and no letters, no commentaries, indeed no authentic documents written by his Jewish and Gentile contemporaries, Justice of Tiberius, Philo, Josephus, Seneca, Petronius Arbiter, Pliny the Elder, et al., to lend credence to his historicity."
In the final analysis there is no evidence that the biblical character called "Jesus Christ" ever existed.
All of these historians were born well after the alleged events.
'Hearsay' is not 'evidence' for a reason!
Caesar by comparison is easily verified.
ďA great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.Ē~Saul Bellow
Also, Josephus wrote a lot more about Hercules (clearly not forged) than about Jesus (probably forged), what does that say?

“Liberty & Justice For All”

Since: Aug 11

United States of America

#9512 Apr 19, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
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I did not suggest the book was not useful for historical study
However considering the authors and the knowledge available to mankind at the time we can now see that this is largely fantasy
We have discovered no evidence you know this
For example long long long before your fantasy there was this... no need to go much further don't you think?
"This is the sum of duty. Do not unto others that which would cause you pain if done to you." -- Mahabharata 5:1517, from the Vedic tradition of India, circa 3000 BCE
"What is hateful to you, do not to our fellow man. That is entire Law, all the rest is commentary." -- Talmud, Shabbat 31a, from the Judaic tradition, circa 1300 BCE
"That nature alone is good which refrains from doing unto another whatsoever is not good for itself." -- Avesta, Dadistan-i-dinik 94:5, from the Zoroastrian tradition, circa 600 BCE
"Hurt not others in ways that you find hurtful." -- Tripitaka, Udanga-varga 5,18 , from the Buddhist tradition, circa 525 BCE
"Surely it is the maxim of loving kindness, do not unto others that which you would not have done unto you." -- Analects, Lun-yu XV,23, from the Confucian tradition, circa 500 BCE
"One should treat all beings as he himself would be treated." -- Agamas, Sutrakrtanga 1.10, 1-3, from the Jain tradition, circa 500 BCE
"Regard your neighbor's gain as your gain and your neighbor's loss as your loss." -- Tai-shang Kang-ying P'ien, from the Taoist tradition, circa 500 BCE
"Do not do to others that which would anger you if others did it to you." -- Socrates (the Greek philosopher), circa 470-399 BCE
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Backpeddling AND equivocating?

You have absolutely no clue what knowledge was available to humans in ancient times. Sumeria's Epic of Gilgamesh tells fanciful tales of genetically engineered humans which is dismissed as "myths" yet the double helix shape associated with the god Enki who was believed to have created humans first appears on Sumerian temples circa 2600 BC, nearly 5,000 years before Crick and Watson discovered DNA's double helix shape. Genesis 1 says God created humans in the 6th day/age and Genesis 2 says God genetically engineered a new human male--Adamic man--AFTER the creations of the older human population.

If our dating methods are correct, humans have been around give or take a million years, yet there is no archaeological evidence that early human brains were capable of anything like complex thought processing until after the Younger Dryas circa 16,000 BC, humans suddenly started demonstrating that ability, moved out of the caves and began inventing all kinds of tools and technologies. Science calls this the Neolithic age--religion calls this the Adamic age.

Google anthropology's diffusion theory. Everything has a source. Following the anthropology trail to the source from which ALL human religious/philosophical ideas diffused to every part of the globe will lead you back to the Levant circa 8000 BC.

“Liberty & Justice For All”

Since: Aug 11

United States of America

#9513 Apr 19, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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They couldn't. Which is why they got it wrong.(shrug)
Not according to Robert Jastrow, astronomer, physicist. cosmologist, Nobel Laureate.

"Now we see how the astronomical evidence supports the biblical view of the origin of the world. The details differ, but the essential elements in the astronomical and biblical accounts of Genesis are the same: the chain of events leading to man commenced suddenly and sharply at a definite moment in time, in a flash of light and energy."
Imhotep

United States

#9514 Apr 19, 2013
ezdzit wrote:
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Backpeddling AND equivocating?
You have absolutely no clue what knowledge was available to humans in ancient times. Sumeria's Epic of Gilgamesh tells fanciful tales of genetically engineered humans which is dismissed as "myths" yet the double helix shape associated with the god Enki who was believed to have created humans first appears on Sumerian temples circa 2600 BC, nearly 5,000 years before Crick and Watson discovered DNA's double helix shape. Genesis 1 says God created humans in the 6th day/age and Genesis 2 says God genetically engineered a new human male--Adamic man--AFTER the creations of the older human population.
If our dating methods are correct, humans have been around give or take a million years, yet there is no archaeological evidence that early human brains were capable of anything like complex thought processing until after the Younger Dryas circa 16,000 BC, humans suddenly started demonstrating that ability, moved out of the caves and began inventing all kinds of tools and technologies. Science calls this the Neolithic age--religion calls this the Adamic age.
Google anthropology's diffusion theory. Everything has a source. Following the anthropology trail to the source from which ALL human religious/philosophical ideas diffused to every part of the globe will lead you back to the Levant circa 8000 BC.
Yes that's certainly is an admirable Steaming pile of nonsense you shoveled up

However use of the Bible as proof is... well, ludicrous

I know it's hard but do try to stay on topic

You claim there's a God I say there is zero evidence that supports this thought

I shall be fair with you

Two simple questions

Can you Provide evidence that your God is the only true God in a way that religions other than yours cannot do?

Can you Provide evidence that your holy book is true in a way that religions other than yours cannot do with theirs?

Take your time
consult your clergy
they claim to know the unknowable

This ought to be a proverbial piece of cake

I'll wait. ;)

“Liberty & Justice For All”

Since: Aug 11

United States of America

#9515 Apr 19, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes that's certainly is an admirable Steaming pile of nonsense you shoveled up
However use of the Bible as proof is... well, ludicrous
I know it's hard but do try to stay on topic
You claim there's a God I say there is zero evidence that supports this thought
I shall be fair with you
Two simple questions
Can you Provide evidence that your God is the only true God in a way that religions other than yours cannot do?
Can you Provide evidence that your holy book is true in a way that religions other than yours cannot do with theirs?
Take your time
consult your clergy
they claim to know the unknowable
This ought to be a proverbial piece of cake
I'll wait. ;)
More strawmen laced with red herrings and garnished with trite ad hominems is all ya got?

Bwaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahah aha.....
Thinking

Ashford, UK

#9516 Apr 19, 2013
I really don't know... I just found this though:

http://www.doyouremember.co.uk/assets/raw-132...
MisterCharrington wrote:
<quoted text>
Tudor Crisps I believe?
Waye aye man, for choodah ahl climb a mountain(best geordie vernacular).

“Blue Collar Philosopher”

Since: Nov 08

Texas, USA

#9517 Apr 19, 2013
Educated What wrote:
<quoted text>
Have you witnessed evolution?
I have! I have!!

When:

1971

Where:

Petri Dish, High School Biology

What: Induced (evolved) antibiotic resistance in cultured Escherichia Coli bacteria.

How: Exposed cultured E.Coli to Penicillin. Made fresh cultures of survivors. Repeat.

Results: After a number of iterations you end up with a Petri dish full of a new strain of E. Coli. The instructions for the proteins / processes that offer antibiotic resistance are written into the animal's genome. The 'new' strain possesses a trait that did not exist before the experiment. It has evolved.

In fact, the process is going on all around us, all the time and will eventually render our antibiotics ineffective. You godbots best step out of the way and let the egg-heads figure out what we are going to do about it. I don't think praying is going to help.
Imhotep

United States

#9518 Apr 19, 2013
Ooogah Boogah wrote:
<quoted text>
Also, Josephus wrote a lot more about Hercules (clearly not forged) than about Jesus (probably forged), what does that say?
We give them facts

Facts seem to annoy Christians quite a bit

They Dilly Dally around them looking for any excuse to prop up their faith.

I find this delusional since this information can be found in the library it's not like this information is secret and only the government knows about it

And what does this say - it speaks volumes!

Since: May 11

UK

#9519 Apr 19, 2013

Since: May 11

UK

#9520 Apr 19, 2013
Thinking wrote:
I really don't know... I just found this though:
http://www.doyouremember.co.uk/assets/raw-132...
<quoted text>
I can`t say I ever tried the hedgehog flavour but I did quite like the mild curry...can`t believe I ate curry crisps....the things you eat during school lunchtimes.
Imhotep

United States

#9521 Apr 19, 2013
ezdzit wrote:
<quoted text>
More strawmen laced with red herrings and garnished with trite ad hominems is all ya got?
Bwaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahah aha.....
Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.

Science is inquiry. Religion is presupposition.

Reasoning people do not accept religious dogma without evidence. We may never know all the answers, but science has solved a great deal of the most important questions.

Religion has an answer for everything, but solutions to nothing.

Don't get me wrong. Iím not saying religion doesnít have its uses. Personally I turn to it whenever I want my intelligence insulted. And the holy scriptures come in very handy when I need to justify behaviour Iím ashamed of.

I don't argue with idiots, they lower me to their level then beat me with experience.

Further replies will be ignored - you have served your purpose - thank you

“Blue Collar Philosopher”

Since: Nov 08

Texas, USA

#9522 Apr 19, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Very correct. As our knowledge improves, some "models" of God might fade away, but the concept shall never go, because it is "built-into" our sub conscience.
Ah, so ... it's not really 'free will' then, more like sweaty palms or 'goosebumps', we just can't help ourselves. Interesting. That supports the observation that electrical (or electromagnetic) stimulation of certain regions of the brain can induce religious or mystical 'feelings'. All of this suggests a perfectly prosaic explanation for this 'God' nonsense ... it's all in our heads!! I prefer to think that we can control our 'built-in' impulses and the ability to do so marks a person's level of sophistication. In any case, I think you've made important progress here MUQ ... well done!
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#9523 Apr 19, 2013
ezdzit wrote:
<quoted text>
Not according to Robert Jastrow, astronomer, physicist. cosmologist, Nobel Laureate.
"Now we see how the astronomical evidence supports the biblical view of the origin of the world. The details differ, but the essential elements in the astronomical and biblical accounts of Genesis are the same: the chain of events leading to man commenced suddenly and sharply at a definite moment in time, in a flash of light and energy."
Sure, in a rather vague, poetic and allegorical sense, I agree. However note that he did NOT support your claim about animals. Because it was wrong. Plants too, since the sun did NOT appear AFTER plants.

It's okay though, we're quite used to fundies being disingenuous.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#9524 Apr 19, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
Can you Provide evidence that your God is the only true God in a way that religions other than yours cannot do?
Can you Provide evidence that your holy book is true in a way that religions other than yours cannot do with theirs?
If he could he certainly wouldn't be referencing every religion on the planet and claiming it as "evidence" of God. The other alternative is that he's a fundamentalist deist (weird I know) whereby ANY mention of any God counts. But at best all he can do is point out that lots of ancient peoples all over the world came up with the idea of supernatural beings which were somehow responsible for the universe.

“Blue Collar Philosopher”

Since: Nov 08

Texas, USA

#9525 Apr 19, 2013
ezdzit wrote:
<quoted text>
Backpeddling AND equivocating?
You have absolutely no clue what knowledge was available to humans in ancient times. Sumeria's Epic of Gilgamesh tells fanciful tales of genetically engineered humans which is dismissed as "myths" yet the double helix shape associated with the god Enki who was believed to have created humans first appears on Sumerian temples circa 2600 BC, nearly 5,000 years before Crick and Watson discovered DNA's double helix shape. Genesis 1 says God created humans in the 6th day/age and Genesis 2 says God genetically engineered a new human male--Adamic man--AFTER the creations of the older human population.
If our dating methods are correct, humans have been around give or take a million years, yet there is no archaeological evidence that early human brains were capable of anything like complex thought processing until after the Younger Dryas circa 16,000 BC, humans suddenly started demonstrating that ability, moved out of the caves and began inventing all kinds of tools and technologies. Science calls this the Neolithic age--religion calls this the Adamic age.
Google anthropology's diffusion theory. Everything has a source. Following the anthropology trail to the source from which ALL human religious/philosophical ideas diffused to every part of the globe will lead you back to the Levant circa 8000 BC.
So ... you're saying God was kind of like ... a scientist? Mucking about with genetics and trying this or that formula to see how we would all turn out? Cool. Maybe 'God' represents an ancient alien race, zipping around, seeding planets, tweeking this or that gene to create what? A race of worshipers? I doubt it. Such creatures would value intelligence, appreciate the rarity, perhaps, of life and be trying to preserve it. Their ultimate goal would be to find or create someone to talk to as equals. Would they want us to waste our resources on churches? Or sitting, laying, kneeling, head-bang'n muttering prayers to 'em? I think not. We best throw in behind the Astronautical Engineers, Space Scientists and other visionary's trying to get us off-planet, otherwise we may call down the Wrath of Khan ... er, God!

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