Why Atheism Will Replace Religion

Aug 27, 2012 Full story: News24 14,498

Please note that for this article "Atheism" also includes agnostics, deists, pagans, wiccans... in other words non-religious.

You will notice this is a statement of fact. And to be fact it is supported by evidence (see references below). Now you can have "faith" that this is not true, but by the very definition of faith, that is just wishful thinking. Read more

Since: May 11

UK

#9202 Apr 16, 2013
Educated What wrote:
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The complete discovery of a creature, cavemen, etc... Macroevolution I don't believe has been observed and can't really be used in the fossil record.
why anyone is even answering you is a mystery also...

“There are other issues.”

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Location hidden

#9204 Apr 16, 2013
MisterCharrington wrote:
<quoted text>why anyone is even answering you is a mystery also...
Why?

Since: May 11

UK

#9205 Apr 16, 2013
I`m not sure I should answer posts where I don`t witness them being typed...there is no first hand evidence for them being valid.

How can I even believe there is a person typing them?

A reality which exists independently of the subjective one in my own head frightens me...

Mummy...

“Blue Collar Philosopher”

Since: Nov 08

Texas, USA

#9206 Apr 16, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
He's more into diet bikes actually. I asked him if he wanted a Wii-U and he said to just get parts for his dirt bike lol!
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I'd call that a worthy obsession. Lot more 'real' than video games, especially in the 'ouch' factor.

“Blue Collar Philosopher”

Since: Nov 08

Texas, USA

#9207 Apr 16, 2013
Educated What wrote:
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The complete discovery of a creature, cavemen, etc... Macroevolution I don't believe has been observed and can't really be used in the fossil record.
You know the 'squishy bits' don't fossilize well. I suppose a complete set of fossilized bones ain't good enough. To expect a complete skeleton to lie in-state for millions of years is asking quite a lot. That's why you got to extrapolate and do comparative anatomy ... the results are no less valid. Of course, when they are bullets being fired at your dogma, nothing will ever do.

“Liberty & Justice For All”

Since: Aug 11

United States of America

#9208 Apr 16, 2013
RHill wrote:
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Whoop-dee-doo!!! Another anecdote about a hallucination someone had while enjoying the relaxing 'near-death' region of mental acuity. I guess we haven't heard any more out of him since his 'all-the-way-death' experience. That sector's always quiet as a graveyard.
Someone? Ya mean like a "Joe the Plumber" kind of someone? Ayer is considered the second most influential philosopher of the 20th century, bubba. LOL

Ayer's "hallucination" turns out to have been more like a shakubuku thing, i.e.“a swift spiritual kick to the head that alters your reality forever.”

More:

"Freddie was discharged from hospital on July 3, 1988. He died a year later, having remarried Dee Wells (who had been his second wife and then became his fourth). Despite declaring himself a “born-again atheist,” his friends and family noticed that Freddie — like the 63 patients interviewed for last week’s report — certainly seemed to change.

“Freddie (Ayer) became so much nicer after he died,” said Dee.“He was not nearly so boastful. He took an interest in other people.” Ayer also told the writer Edward St. Aubyn in France that he had had “a kind of resurrection” and for the first time in his life, he had begun to notice scenery. In France, on a mountain near his villa, he said,“I suddenly stopped and looked out at the sea and thought, my God, how beautiful this is … for 26 years I had never really looked at it before.”

What is also undeniably true — and has never been reported on — is that at the end of his life, Freddie spent more and more time with his former BBC debating opponent, the Jesuit priest and philosopher Frederick Copleston, who was at Freddie’s funeral at Golders Green crematorium.

“They got closer and closer and, in the end, he was Freddie’s closest friend,” said Dee.“It was quite extraordinary. As he got older, Freddie realized more and more that philosophy was just chasing its own tail.”

http://variousenthusiasms.wordpress.com/2009/...

What's amusing to me is that three of the most prominent and outspoken leaders of the atheist movement have experienced these sudden spiritual transformations--epiphanies--a nd all of them have been members of the Oxford brain trust. Coincidence? Or maybe some kind of spiritual hit list? I wonder if Oxford's newest celebrity atheist's name is on that list? Richard Dawkins having an epiphany would be a real hoot.....

Since: May 11

UK

#9209 Apr 16, 2013
ezdzit wrote:
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Someone? Ya mean like a "Joe the Plumber" kind of someone? Ayer is considered the second most influential philosopher of the 20th century, bubba. LOL
Ayer's "hallucination" turns out to have been more like a shakubuku thing, i.e.“a swift spiritual kick to the head that alters your reality forever.”
More:
"Freddie was discharged from hospital on July 3, 1988. He died a year later, having remarried Dee Wells (who had been his second wife and then became his fourth). Despite declaring himself a “born-again atheist,” his friends and family noticed that Freddie — like the 63 patients interviewed for last week’s report — certainly seemed to change.
“Freddie (Ayer) became so much nicer after he died,” said Dee.“He was not nearly so boastful. He took an interest in other people.” Ayer also told the writer Edward St. Aubyn in France that he had had “a kind of resurrection” and for the first time in his life, he had begun to notice scenery. In France, on a mountain near his villa, he said,“I suddenly stopped and looked out at the sea and thought, my God, how beautiful this is … for 26 years I had never really looked at it before.”
What is also undeniably true — and has never been reported on — is that at the end of his life, Freddie spent more and more time with his former BBC debating opponent, the Jesuit priest and philosopher Frederick Copleston, who was at Freddie’s funeral at Golders Green crematorium.
“They got closer and closer and, in the end, he was Freddie’s closest friend,” said Dee.“It was quite extraordinary. As he got older, Freddie realized more and more that philosophy was just chasing its own tail.”
http://variousenthusiasms.wordpress.com/2009/...
What's amusing to me is that three of the most prominent and outspoken leaders of the atheist movement have experienced these sudden spiritual transformations--epiphanies--a nd all of them have been members of the Oxford brain trust. Coincidence? Or maybe some kind of spiritual hit list? I wonder if Oxford's newest celebrity atheist's name is on that list? Richard Dawkins having an epiphany would be a real hoot.....
"what I should have said is that my experiences have weakened, not my belief that there is no life after death, but my inflexible attitude towards that belief" ~ A.J.Ayer.

...and Darwin recanted the origin of Species on his deathbed and Antony Flew was of completely sound mind...

Since: Apr 08

Nottingham, UK

#9210 Apr 16, 2013
Lacez wrote:
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That was a pretty interesting article!
Thanks :)
You're welcome!

Since: Apr 08

Nottingham, UK

#9211 Apr 16, 2013
ezdzit wrote:
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LOL
Jung credits his friend Albert Einstein as the inspiration for Synchronicity and his assistance in developing scientifically testable hypothesis for various phenomena. So, I guess what you're implying in the above remark is that .....you're no Einstein?
You say that as if it's something to be ashamed of.

I very much doubt that many people can lay credit to being on a par with Einstein.

Certainly not me and certainly not you.

“Liberty & Justice For All”

Since: Aug 11

United States of America

#9212 Apr 16, 2013
Khatru wrote:
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You say that as if it's something to be ashamed of.
I very much doubt that many people can lay credit to being on a par with Einstein.
Certainly not me and certainly not you.
Definitely not you, bubba

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#9213 Apr 16, 2013
The Soviet Union was the first state to have, as an ideological objective, the elimination of religion and its replacement with universal atheism. The communist regime confiscated religious property, ridiculed religion, harassed believers, and propagated atheism in schools. The confiscation of religious assets was often based on accusations of illegal accumulation of wealth.

The vast majority of people in the Russian empire were, at the time of the revolution, religious believers, whereas the communists aimed to break the power of all religious institutions and eventually replace religious belief with atheism.

“Liberty & Justice For All”

Since: Aug 11

United States of America

#9214 Apr 16, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
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alas in arguments you want to take a fundamentalist view of the English translation of the Bible? odd and amusing
Very odd and amusing indeed.

Fundamentalists have built a mental construct of a god they can love and atheists have built a mental construct of a god they can hate.

Neither group has a clue they are just different sides of the same coin....

Since: Apr 08

Nottingham, UK

#9215 Apr 16, 2013
ezdzit wrote:
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Definitely not you, bubba
ROFLMAO!!

Going by the judging icons it looks like you're ploughing a very lonely furrow indeed.

“Liberty & Justice For All”

Since: Aug 11

United States of America

#9216 Apr 16, 2013
MisterCharrington wrote:
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"what I should have said is that my experiences have weakened, not my belief that there is no life after death, but my inflexible attitude towards that belief" ~ A.J.Ayer.
...and Darwin recanted the origin of Species on his deathbed and Antony Flew was of completely sound mind...
Don't worry. I could be wrong, but I really doubt your name is on that spiritual hit list, bubba.

3 down, 1 to go for 4 out of 4......

“Liberty & Justice For All”

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United States of America

#9217 Apr 16, 2013
Khatru wrote:
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ROFLMAO!!
Going by the judging icons it looks like you're ploughing a very lonely furrow indeed.
Wow! Going by the "judging icons", it appears you have created at least 13 sock puppets, bubba. You're so transparent.....and pathetic.

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#9218 Apr 16, 2013
ezdzit wrote:
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Wow! Going by the "judging icons", it appears you have created at least 13 sock puppets, bubba. You're so transparent.....and pathetic.
You sound desperate now, wetpants.

Carry on....
Imhotep

United States

#9219 Apr 16, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
The Soviet Union was the first state to have, as an ideological objective, the elimination of religion and its replacement with universal atheism. The communist regime confiscated religious property, ridiculed religion, harassed believers, and propagated atheism in schools. The confiscation of religious assets was often based on accusations of illegal accumulation of wealth.
The vast majority of people in the Russian empire were, at the time of the revolution, religious believers, whereas the communists aimed to break the power of all religious institutions and eventually replace religious belief with atheism.
Reality time part two

Atheism embodies no particular ideology, world view or dogma and cannot be justified as any significant factor in the activities of Stalin.

The lack of belief in a supernatural overlord leaves one to respect the importance of all of mankind peacefully coexisting, because unlike in religious doctrine, the penalties one may face for immoral acts are often levied in the material world, during the life of the perpetrator.

Indeed to the founder of communist doctrines, Karl Marx, atheism, was just a stage on the path to communism, and it was ultimately "unreal" and "no longer needed" by socialism and communism.

This is what Karl Marx himself said about atheism:

"Atheism as a denial of this unreality; has no longer any meaning, for atheism is a denial of God and tries to assert through this negation the existence of man; but socialism as such no longer needs this mediation."

Consider this statement carefully!

NO STOP STOP - It is impossible for you to grasp reality leave now save yourself further embarrassment

If Karl Marx, the intellectual founder of Marxism and communism, repudiated atheism as meaningless and no longer needed, how then could atheism be considered the cause of the atrocities committed under communism?

Don't Busta Brain cell Sparky
Thinking

Ashford, UK

#9220 Apr 16, 2013
Maybe you're self harming in that way too.
ezdzit wrote:
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Wow! Going by the "judging icons", it appears you have created at least 13 sock puppets, bubba. You're so transparent.....and pathetic.

“Blue Collar Philosopher”

Since: Nov 08

Texas, USA

#9221 Apr 16, 2013
ezdzit wrote:
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Someone? Ya mean like a "Joe the Plumber" kind of someone? Ayer is considered the second most influential philosopher of the 20th century, bubba. LOL
Ayer's "hallucination" turns out to have been more like a shakubuku thing, i.e.“a swift spiritual kick to the head that alters your reality forever.”
More:
"Freddie was discharged from hospital on July 3, 1988. He died a year later, having remarried Dee Wells (who had been his second wife and then became his fourth). Despite declaring himself a “born-again atheist,” his friends and family noticed that Freddie — like the 63 patients interviewed for last week’s report — certainly seemed to change.
“Freddie (Ayer) became so much nicer after he died,” said Dee.“He was not nearly so boastful. He took an interest in other people.” Ayer also told the writer Edward St. Aubyn in France that he had had “a kind of resurrection” and for the first time in his life, he had begun to notice scenery. In France, on a mountain near his villa, he said,“I suddenly stopped and looked out at the sea and thought, my God, how beautiful this is … for 26 years I had never really looked at it before.”
What is also undeniably true — and has never been reported on — is that at the end of his life, Freddie spent more and more time with his former BBC debating opponent, the Jesuit priest and philosopher Frederick Copleston, who was at Freddie’s funeral at Golders Green crematorium.
“They got closer and closer and, in the end, he was Freddie’s closest friend,” said Dee.“It was quite extraordinary. As he got older, Freddie realized more and more that philosophy was just chasing its own tail.”
http://variousenthusiasms.wordpress.com/2009/...
What's amusing to me is that three of the most prominent and outspoken leaders of the atheist movement have experienced these sudden spiritual transformations--epiphanies--a nd all of them have been members of the Oxford brain trust. Coincidence? Or maybe some kind of spiritual hit list? I wonder if Oxford's newest celebrity atheist's name is on that list? Richard Dawkins having an epiphany would be a real hoot.....
Near-death epiphanies, preacher-dunked-my-head-in-som e-water epiphanies ... people get tired, people flip 'sides' all the time, Cletus. Even the "second most influential philosopher of the 20th century" came to realize "that philosophy was just chasing its own tail". I've gazed upon many a misty mountain and star studded sky in awe ... made me want to read geology and astronomy books. Is there a fancy name for that kind of moment, Cletus? So you think God is up there, referring to his personal copy of "The Oxford Brain Trust" and zapping little epiphanies down on influential atheists? You got you one vivid imagination yourself there Cletus! LOL
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#9222 Apr 16, 2013
The serpent was right wrote:
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My original question to you was : "Do you believe that there is a possibility that pink, fluffy, flying unicorns exist?"
Your answer was "There is zero evidence"
That does NOT answer the question. I asked if YOU BELIEVE, not if there was evidence. Your answer can be either "yes" or "No". That answer might be accompanied by an expalanation, but the answer must be a yes or no, as it is concerned with your belief.
Then: No. I do not believe because there is currently zero evidence.

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