Why Atheism Will Replace Religion

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Please note that for this article "Atheism" also includes agnostics, deists, pagans, wiccans... in other words non-religious.

You will notice this is a statement of fact. And to be fact it is supported by evidence (see references below). Now you can have "faith" that this is not true, but by the very definition of faith, that is just wishful thinking. Full Story
The Worlds Biggest Lie

South Hadley, MA

#8492 Apr 9, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
:SMH:
The dangers of home schooling on display.
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Your avatar should read "givemedeath"
Much more appropriate.
Shalom
Lincoln

United States

#8493 Apr 9, 2013
Libertarians usually have a government job. :-)

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#8494 Apr 9, 2013
Your's should say world's biggest moron.
The Worlds Biggest Lie wrote:
<quoted text>Your avatar should read "givemedeath"
Much more appropriate.
Shalom
The Worlds Biggest Lie

South Hadley, MA

#8495 Apr 9, 2013
Ooogah Boogah wrote:
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Thanks for the additional verification!!
Nothing is for free my friend, nothing!

“Trolls are Clueless”

Since: Dec 07

Aptos, California

#8496 Apr 9, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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MUQ, you demonstrated 3 years ago that you didn't know the basics of science in general, much less evolution in particular.(shrug)
Nothing matters to you except Islamic apologetics. Which just so happens to be the same as fundamentalist Christian apologetics, just with Jesus at teh top instead of Mo.
Yep.
Lincoln

United States

#8497 Apr 9, 2013
A soldier returns from Iraq and places a cross on the military base at camp Pendelton to memorialize his fallen comrades.

atheist-fundamentalists sue to remove it because it is on public property.:-)

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#8498 Apr 9, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
A soldier returns from Iraq and places a cross on the military base at camp Pendelton to memorialize his fallen comrades.
atheist-fundamentalists sue to remove it because it is on public property.:-)
Have they been to Arlington?

Since: Apr 13

Bellevue, WA

#8499 Apr 9, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
A soldier returns from Iraq and places a cross on the military base at camp Pendelton to memorialize his fallen comrades.
atheist-fundamentalists sue to remove it because it is on public property.:-)
I'm an atheist.. but if they want to put a cross on a grave i'm all in support
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#8500 Apr 10, 2013
Dude wrote:
01. Not interested, I find it on a par with fundamentalist Christianity. Only difference is they think Jesus is the coolest dude in the universe instead of Mohammed. Other than the petty details it's exactly the same religion.(shrug)

2.

02. Science does not say that a God did not do it. Maybe it did. Or maybe it doesn't exist. Problem with the concept is that it's non-falsifiable. If it's not falsifiable then it's not scientific. Ergo Goddidit with magic is useless to science, period.

03. What's more, you fundies claim Goddidit with magic in a completely different way to what reality shows us even though you're unable to demonstrate your god even exists in the first place.
Ans.

01. It is your choice to believe in truth or not. Our job is to tell the truth.

Everybody can make claims, there is no restriction for that, but what you need is proofs.

Jesus never claimed that he was a Universal Messenger and that he was the Last of Prophets. Christians make claims themselves on behalf of Jesus.

02. Science is a dumb tool and it is not its job to confirm or deny the presence or absence of God.

This is an issue of Philosophy where we take stock of available info and use reason and logic to decide.

What I can say is that Scientists should not reject God, they should reject the "Models of God" that so many religions put forward.

If they use their brains and power of reasoning , all these Models of "Triune God, Racial God, Human God and God with Multiple heads and arms and shape…" all will vanish and replaced with a Unique, Powerful, Wise, Merciful and Knowledgeable Creator of this Universe…

He is The and Only God of this Universe. He is the only one which fulfills all and answers all our available info.

Most of people and scientists are confused between God and Models of God which different religions put forward.

04. Islam never says "How" God did it, it keeps clear of this controversy. It is other scriptures who put out their neck and get it chopped.
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#8501 Apr 10, 2013
Polymath wrote:
01. Yes, of course, seeing that species change over time requires a scientific theory to understand those changes. Darwin's proposal was not the first

02. Darwin had enough fossils to know that the species in the past were different than those now and that those in the more distant past were more different..

03. As for 'speaking like an astrologer', it is a foundational aspect of science that it makes predictions. Unlike astrology, those predictions are then compared to actual observations, are required to be specific, and if the observations do not correspond with the prediction, the theory needs to be modified or discarded.

04. What we have found through the last 160 years, is that the basic model of natural selection works very well for many of the evolutionary changes we actually see, both in the fossil record and in the lab. So, yes,

05. And no, TOE and atheism are NOT related directly. Many atheists are scientific in their outlook and evolution is part of science, but there are many theists that also understand evolution as a fact.

06. I disagree that line-by-line is awkward and un-natural.
Ans.

First of all I thank you for answering me in "proper format" and not that "idiotic" line by line response. You might not find it awkward, but how would you feel, if I answered you line by line?

Now coming to Theory of Evolution and how Scientific it is and what should have been the scientific approach.

Science really should be blind and dumb in certain aspects. It is a study of Natural Phenomenon and try to understand it and explain as much as it can.

It should never "predict" any thing, because this is not its field.

The data at the time of Darwin was not enough to propose such thing as revolutionary that "One Specie evolves into another" just by period of time.

It was a very non scientific method by any standard.

And the second question, is not about evolution, the real question is "why species should evolve"….and is the evolution process blind?

Our Atheists tried to answer that by proposing some thing as "natural selection"…. How does natural selection works no one knows.

The real question is that "is this entire complex operation is working without any Plan, without any Design and without any Purpose"?

These questions are as important as "how species evolve"…. But most of our scientists shrug their shoulders and say "we do not care"?

You can explain rain, by the water vapour rising from earth, getting condensed in the cool atmosphere, and making clouds, clouds driven over to distant lands by winds and causing fresh water to fall down on earth.

If you have explained each and every process of the chain, have you done your job as a scientist? Why should not your mind turn as to "How this wonderful system came into being"?

Could it happen by itself? How beautiful way to bring fresh and potable water is such a simple and perfect way to each and every human on the earth?

The same rain process which provides "ammunition to an Atheist that there is no God"…..provides proof to a believer that "This is the handiwork of Merciful, Wise and Powerful God"!!

If you see from pure Scientific angle, Believers have more sound reasoning than the Athiests,

But most of our Present day scientists would side with Athiests. It shows their non Scientific approach and that they are misusing science for their own purpose.

The real question is not Evolution, It is Why it is happening? There is nothing like Randomness and Chance happening in this Universe.

To say otherwise is to misuse Science and reason and logic.
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#8502 Apr 10, 2013
eczdit wrote:
01. The Christian religion created a mythological Jesus in the same way the atheist religion created a mythological Darwin, and for the same reasons: to create false authorities to sell their propaganda to their sheeple followers.

02. Darwin was a courageous and very humble truth seeker. He deserves a great deal of credit for his actual contributions to science.
Ans.

01. There is some truth in what you say. Atheists created a "Mythological Darwin" and attributed their own logic and theories to justify in his name.

02. How honest was Darwin really, I cannot say, if he would have limited himself to what he actually knew, he would have called honest.

But the "predictions and assumptions" what he made were really far fetched and non Scientific. As a scientist you should not "prophesize or predict" and future fossil finds would prove what you propose.

It was a non scientific approach, which Zealots from Atheists took as a War Cry and accepted as "Truth and nothing but truth"

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#8503 Apr 10, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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Ans.
01. It is your choice to believe in truth or not. Our job is to tell the truth.
Everybody can make claims, there is no restriction for that, but what you need is proofs.
Jesus never claimed that he was a Universal Messenger and that he was the Last of Prophets. Christians make claims themselves on behalf of Jesus.
02. Science is a dumb tool and it is not its job to confirm or deny the presence or absence of God.
This is an issue of Philosophy where we take stock of available info and use reason and logic to decide.
What I can say is that Scientists should not reject God, they should reject the "Models of God" that so many religions put forward.
If they use their brains and power of reasoning , all these Models of "Triune God, Racial God, Human God and God with Multiple heads and arms and shape…" all will vanish and replaced with a Unique, Powerful, Wise, Merciful and Knowledgeable Creator of this Universe…
He is The and Only God of this Universe. He is the only one which fulfills all and answers all our available info.
Most of people and scientists are confused between God and Models of God which different religions put forward.
04. Islam never says "How" God did it, it keeps clear of this controversy. It is other scriptures who put out their neck and get it chopped.
What have you to say about:-

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#8504 Apr 10, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
First of all I thank you for answering me in "proper format" and not that "idiotic" line by line response. You might not find it awkward, but how would you feel, if I answered you line by line?
Now coming to Theory of Evolution and how Scientific it is and what should have been the scientific approach.
Science really should be blind and dumb in certain aspects. It is a study of Natural Phenomenon and try to understand it and explain as much as it can.
It should never "predict" any thing, because this is not its field.
The data at the time of Darwin was not enough to propose such thing as revolutionary that "One Specie evolves into another" just by period of time.
It was a very non scientific method by any standard.
And the second question, is not about evolution, the real question is "why species should evolve"….and is the evolution process blind?
Our Atheists tried to answer that by proposing some thing as "natural selection"…. How does natural selection works no one knows.
The real question is that "is this entire complex operation is working without any Plan, without any Design and without any Purpose"?
These questions are as important as "how species evolve"…. But most of our scientists shrug their shoulders and say "we do not care"?
You can explain rain, by the water vapour rising from earth, getting condensed in the cool atmosphere, and making clouds, clouds driven over to distant lands by winds and causing fresh water to fall down on earth.
If you have explained each and every process of the chain, have you done your job as a scientist? Why should not your mind turn as to "How this wonderful system came into being"?
Could it happen by itself? How beautiful way to bring fresh and potable water is such a simple and perfect way to each and every human on the earth?
The same rain process which provides "ammunition to an Atheist that there is no God"…..provides proof to a believer that "This is the handiwork of Merciful, Wise and Powerful God"!!
If you see from pure Scientific angle, Believers have more sound reasoning than the Athiests,
But most of our Present day scientists would side with Athiests. It shows their non Scientific approach and that they are misusing science for their own purpose.
The real question is not Evolution, It is Why it is happening? There is nothing like Randomness and Chance happening in this Universe.
To say otherwise is to misuse Science and reason and logic.
What have you to say about:-

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#8505 Apr 10, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
01. There is some truth in what you say. Atheists created a "Mythological Darwin" and attributed their own logic and theories to justify in his name.
02. How honest was Darwin really, I cannot say, if he would have limited himself to what he actually knew, he would have called honest.
But the "predictions and assumptions" what he made were really far fetched and non Scientific. As a scientist you should not "prophesize or predict" and future fossil finds would prove what you propose.
It was a non scientific approach, which Zealots from Atheists took as a War Cry and accepted as "Truth and nothing but truth"
What have you to say about:-

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#8506 Apr 10, 2013
Muq is just mindlessly spamming from his scribd page. Google Muq scribd and you can see everything he spams on here.

Typical arrogant Islamic nonsense.
Richardfs wrote:
<quoted text>What have you to say about:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =2rgSH0h45EoXX

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#8507 Apr 10, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
A soldier returns from Iraq and places a cross on the military base at camp Pendelton to memorialize his fallen comrades.
atheist-fundamentalists sue to remove it because it is on public property.:-)
Hitler grows up a Catholic....

second world war
Imhotep

Stuart, FL

#8508 Apr 10, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
01. There is some truth in what you say. Atheists created a "Mythological Darwin" and attributed their own logic and theories to justify in his name.
02. How honest was Darwin really, I cannot say, if he would have limited himself to what he actually knew, he would have called honest.
But the "predictions and assumptions" what he made were really far fetched and non Scientific. As a scientist you should not "prophesize or predict" and future fossil finds would prove what you propose.
It was a non scientific approach, which Zealots from Atheists took as a War Cry and accepted as "Truth and nothing but truth"
This coming from someone who believes in talking reptiles talking livestock unicorns Angels Devils miracles and magic.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry

Sometimes willful ignorance is so obvious I feel compelled to make a comment

Promptly answer these two simple questions.

1) Provide evidence that your God is the only true God in a way that religions other than yours cannot do.

2) Provide evidence that your holy book is true in a way that religions other than yours cannot do with theirs.

I assume sufficient education and intelligence are present to accept the fact that… Neither Egyptian nor Roman history records any persons known as Moses or Jesus. These individuals exist only in holy books, which themselves are copied from previous legends and myths.

Take your time

“A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.”~Saul Bellow
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#8509 Apr 10, 2013
ezdzit wrote:
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300,000 papers, huh? So that's a rough estimate of maybe about 15,000,000+ pages? Were any of those written before it was discovered that prions reproduce and mutate WITHOUT having any DNA?
Hmmmmm.....?
That's nice bub. But since they don't prevent life from changing over time, and it does, then evolution still occurs.
ezdzit wrote:
There is no "theory of evolution", bubba. Doesn't mean that someday someone won't come up with a viable theory. It just means it has happened yet. Get it?
Yes, I get it. It HAS happened. Just like you just said above. And it works, just as already been demonstrated. Like every other fundie you ignore reality instead of dealing with it.(shrug)
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#8510 Apr 10, 2013
MUQ wrote:
It is your choice to believe in truth or not. Our job is to tell the truth.
No it isn't. Your job is to lie for Mohammed just as it's a fundie Christian's job to lie for Jesus.
MUQ wrote:
Everybody can make claims, there is no restriction for that, but what you need is proofs.
Actually what you need is facts and evidence. "Proof" is for math and alcohol.
MUQ wrote:
Jesus never claimed that he
Holeeeee crud I cannot tell you how much I don't care.
MUQ wrote:
Science is a dumb tool
Then trash your car, stop taking modern medicine, stop using your computer and go back to living in a cave foraging for your own chickens.
MUQ wrote:
and it is not its job to confirm or deny the presence or absence of God.
Science makes no theological claims. I have pointed this out already numerous times. Science doesn't say whether there is or is a God or not. Your problem is that the concept is not scientific, for the very same reason that the Cosmic Sheep from dimension Zog is not scientific. That's NOT our problem.
MUQ wrote:
This is an issue of Philosophy where we take stock of available info and use reason and logic to decide.
Your philosophy is relevant to you. That doesn't make it relevant to everybody.
MUQ wrote:
What I can say is that Scientists should not reject God
Sure they should. It's their choice. Some however don't. There are scientists who are still theists. And because many of them still accept science they would STILL say you're full of sh t.(shrug)
MUQ wrote:
they should reject the "Models of God" that so many religions put forward.
MUQ wrote:
If they use their brains and power of reasoning , all these Models of "Triune God, Racial God, Human God and God with Multiple heads and arms and shape…" all will vanish and replaced with a Unique, Powerful, Wise, Merciful and Knowledgeable Creator of this Universe…
He is The and Only God of this Universe. He is the only one which fulfills all and answers all our available info.
Except you have no scientific evidence. There may or may not be a god. But since the big fella don't put his arm down for a blood test on a regular basis there's no way to tell. In fact since he doesn't do that, it's also perfectly possible the thing is just a figment of your imagination.
MUQ wrote:
Most of people and scientists are confused between God and Models of God which different religions put forward.
Slight problem - you don't know more about God than anyone else on the entire planet does. Period. Your proposal is no more valid than the Christian ideas or the Hindu ones or whatever. And remember that as "models", none of them come close to being the same as scientific models.
MUQ wrote:
Islam never says "How" God did it, it keeps clear of this controversy. It is other scriptures who put out their neck and get it chopped.
Actually all others are just the same as yours. Since they don't say how it did it either. They just provide a WHO, not a HOW, and they do so based on zero scientific evidence. Without a "how" that we can test via scientific means, the concept remains nothing more than philosophical mastrubation.(shrug)
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#8511 Apr 10, 2013
MUQ wrote:
But the "predictions and assumptions" what he made were really far fetched and non Scientific. As a scientist you should not "prophesize or predict" and future fossil finds would prove what you propose.
Scientists should NOT make scientific predictions yet future fossil discoveries should prove your ideas? Aside from your childish previous argument from ignorance this sentence of yours alone demonstrates you don't have the slightest clue as to what you're talking about. Darwin made predictions, science validated them. That's how science works - it makes scientific predictions.

Then you whiny fundies come along that no-one takes your claims of an invisible magical Jewish wizard seriously even though (as you agreed) that makes no scientific predictions.
MUQ wrote:
It was a non scientific approach, which Zealots from Atheists took as a War Cry and accepted as "Truth and nothing but truth"
Science and atheism are separate concepts. Science does not "prove" atheism. However atheists are certainly correct when they point out that Goddidit with magic has no scientific evidence.

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