Why Atheism Will Replace Religion

Aug 27, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: News24

Please note that for this article "Atheism" also includes agnostics, deists, pagans, wiccans... in other words non-religious.

You will notice this is a statement of fact. And to be fact it is supported by evidence (see references below). Now you can have "faith" that this is not true, but by the very definition of faith, that is just wishful thinking.

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It's just as likely as any god. Maybe leprechauns and dachshunds only fairly recently thought mankind was ready to know of them?
See that is why we do not give credence to baseless claims that have not one shred of observable proof backing them up.
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You really do need to slow down and actually grasp what i'm trying to put forward.

I agree with you, a magical leprechaun / dachshund hybrid floating around in the sky is as likely as any God.

I was stating that my agnosticism stems from the fact that I can't prove a magical flying leprechaun, God, or athiesm either way. And I never will be able to.

I don't know why you're setting yourself against me in debate when I hold religious beliefs that are very similar to yours... I just happen not to care so much about mine.

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Givemeliberty wrote:
Are you really humiliating yourself with the tired old atheism is a religion ploy?
I mean seriously? That tired old creationist argument?
Oh and the term NB atheism hits to conservapedia..... Need I say more?
An agnostic is one who says they don't know if a god exists, not which particular faith is correct.
You really need to take some time and come to an understanding of terms because as with the terms atheist and agnostic you clearly do not comprehend what they mean.
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Conservapedia? I have no idea what that is. I'm an incredibly left-wing socialist, if you are talking about 'conservative' in the traditional sense of the word.

NB is a latin term meaning Nota Bene. Meaning "Take note" or "note well". It's a way of highlighting a point.

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Like I said before, slow down and stop trying to be so aggressive, it only shows you to be a lout.

Athiesm - the theory or belief that God does not exist

Agnosticism - a religious orientation of doubt; a denial of ultimate knowledge of the existence of God. Where one is open to the idea that there may or may not be a God, but is unwilling to commit to any religious belief.

Honestly just because i'm not dead-set in my view point doesn't mean you have the right to bully me into thinking my opinion is somehow worth less than yours.

Just because you portray yourself as a devout athiest does not mean you are right and I am wrong, none of us truly know who is wrong or right here, that is why it is called a FAITH.

Atheism is arguably a religion in itself because it is a firm belief that there is nothing afterwards.

Seriously, could you be any more patronising?

I'm actually on YOUR side in this argument in terms of which team I bat for, however you are nothing but spiteful and rude.

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That tired old creationist argument?
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CREATIONIST?

Seriously have you taken a blow to the head recently?

I've posted on multiple occasions I AM AGNOSTIC.

I believe in Darwin's theory of evolution, considering the OVERWHELMING AMOUNT OF EVIDENCE IN FAVOUR OF IT.

Are you deliberately trying to be irritating?

Because from what you've posted it appars that you're just playing antagonist for the sake of it.

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Aquinas' Five Proofs for the existence of God, of course. Post a rebuttal for the first one or any of the other four. The choice is yours.....
Argument from Motion ... if everything must be put in motion by something else, what put the "first motion" into motion??-- Refuted!!

Argument from Efficient Causes ... if everything must have a cause, what caused God??-- Refuted!!

Argument from Possibility and Necessity (Reductio argument)... If God has always existed, then what God is made of also has always existed. If that something is 'pure energy' as some maintain, then energy has never been created nor destroyed, it only changes form. Also energy makes up everything else in the universe ... that is everything is made of 'pure energy'... therefore no creator is required.--- Refuted!!

Argument from Gradation of Being ...'... there must also be something which is to all beings the cause of their being ...." Again, what caused God?--- Refuted!!!

Argument from Design ... "...some intelligent being exists by whom all natural things are directed to their end..." What designed God??... also, just because a pattern is 'perceived', it does not mean it truly exists. Sometimes you will see a bunny or a dragon in a cloud formation. That does not mean there is actually a bunny or a dragon there, your mind simply perceives that pattern. This is the same thing with "ID", just because you believe you see a pattern of design, that does not mean it exists.--- Refuted!!!

Is that all you got dummy?

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I have been asking them for this evidence since the beginning and it has never been forth coming. Several posters who claim PhD status have come and gone and many more have simply chosen to ignore it. Oh well so be it.
Atheists NEVER post any evidence supporting their theology of evolution....because not one scientist has ever published a peer reviewed stand alone theory for them to copy & paste. And all these posers who can barely spell claiming to have PhD status? Horse feathers....or is it dinosaur feathers these days?

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Argument from Motion ... if everything must be put in motion by something else, what put the "first motion" into motion??-- Refuted!!
Argument from Efficient Causes ... if everything must have a cause, what caused God??-- Refuted!!
Argument from Possibility and Necessity (Reductio argument)... If God has always existed, then what God is made of also has always existed. If that something is 'pure energy' as some maintain, then energy has never been created nor destroyed, it only changes form. Also energy makes up everything else in the universe ... that is everything is made of 'pure energy'... therefore no creator is required.--- Refuted!!
Argument from Gradation of Being ...'... there must also be something which is to all beings the cause of their being ...." Again, what caused God?--- Refuted!!!
Argument from Design ... "...some intelligent being exists by whom all natural things are directed to their end..." What designed God??... also, just because a pattern is 'perceived', it does not mean it truly exists. Sometimes you will see a bunny or a dragon in a cloud formation. That does not mean there is actually a bunny or a dragon there, your mind simply perceives that pattern. This is the same thing with "ID", just because you believe you see a pattern of design, that does not mean it exists.--- Refuted!!!
Is that all you got dummy?
Wow! You're just a regular legend in your own messy little limited mind, aren't ya, bubba?

And I was so looking forward to Pope Ooogah Boogah replacing Pope Dawkins. Oh, well......
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CREATIONIST?
Seriously have you taken a blow to the head recently?
I've posted on multiple occasions I AM AGNOSTIC.
I believe in Darwin's theory of evolution, considering the OVERWHELMING AMOUNT OF EVIDENCE IN FAVOUR OF IT.
Are you deliberately trying to be irritating?
Because from what you've posted it appars that you're just playing antagonist for the sake of it.
I am very glad you have posted the following line "I believe in Darwin's theory of evolution", at least you are honest in that you "believe in" the myth of evolution. One issue I have is where is the evidence you mention, no one seems to have it, perhaps it has been lost or misplaced, perhaps it does not actually exist and your "I believe in" statement is closer to the truth.

As an agnostic does your inquiry include the possibility that there is a god or that GOD and the BIBLE are actually correct?
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I might have desended from an ape,and you might have desended from an ape,but I dare you to say our great and generous leader 'He who's name we shall not speak' is desended from an ape!

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Wow! You're just a regular legend in your own messy little limited mind, aren't ya, bubba?
And I was so looking forward to Pope Ooogah Boogah replacing Pope Dawkins. Oh, well......
THAT's what you have for a counter argument?? Really?? Do you have enough sense to at least be embarrassed?? Bet not!!!

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Not really, atheism is about the easiest thing ever in my life. Lol!

You sure do fail a lot yes?
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<quoted text>Your source says: 4. A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion.

Atheism fits the description of a religion according to your source too.

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And now Pascal's wager?

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<quoted text>Hiya,

I suppose you coud argue it that way.

To me, agnosticism is purely a state of 'not knowing' what there is out there. While I accept the fact that there may or may not be a God, or an afterlife, i'm unable to commit to either idea because I don't have enough evidence to point me either way.

Personally, I think a majority of people who identify as athiests are actually agnostic, because athiesm in itself is a very devout belief that there is nothing afterwards, and I think everyone, no matter how firm they are in their beliefs, always have a nagging feeling at the back of their head; "what if i'm wrong?"

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But why would you even bother with showing one isn't there?

Perhaps if at the start of this you hadn't been so gung ho about screaming idiot at me for my factually correct statement and had slowed down.... Again this whole debate was your doing, Pascal's wager and conservapedia terms aren't the strongest points for you to employ though I must say.
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You really do need to slow down and actually grasp what i'm trying to put forward.

I agree with you, a magical leprechaun / dachshund hybrid floating around in the sky is as likely as any God.

I was stating that my agnosticism stems from the fact that I can't prove a magical flying leprechaun, God, or athiesm either way. And I never will be able to.

I don't know why you're setting yourself against me in debate when I hold religious beliefs that are very similar to yours... I just happen not to care so much about mine.

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Devout atheist? When you get mad do you always slip up using Kurt Cameron/ Ray Comfort talking points or are we just lucky?

As for the rest of your creationist site collection of arguments may I say... Yawn... Been soundly refuted hundreds of times before.

Perhaps Ray Comfort has some other good talking points for you?
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<quoted text>Conservapedia? I have no idea what that is. I'm an incredibly left-wing socialist, if you are talking about 'conservative' in the traditional sense of the word.

NB is a latin term meaning Nota Bene. Meaning "Take note" or "note well". It's a way of highlighting a point.

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Like I said before, slow down and stop trying to be so aggressive, it only shows you to be a lout.

Athiesm - the theory or belief that God does not exist

Agnosticism - a religious orientation of doubt; a denial of ultimate knowledge of the existence of God. Where one is open to the idea that there may or may not be a God, but is unwilling to commit to any religious belief.

Honestly just because i'm not dead-set in my view point doesn't mean you have the right to bully me into thinking my opinion is somehow worth less than yours.

Just because you portray yourself as a devout athiest does not mean you are right and I am wrong, none of us truly know who is wrong or right here, that is why it is called a FAITH.

Atheism is arguably a religion in itself because it is a firm belief that there is nothing afterwards.

Seriously, could you be any more patronising?

I'm actually on YOUR side in this argument in terms of which team I bat for, however you are nothing but spiteful and rude.

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Atheists NEVER post any evidence supporting their theology of evolution....because not one scientist has ever published a peer reviewed stand alone theory for them to copy & paste. And all these posers who can barely spell claiming to have PhD status? Horse feathers....or is it dinosaur feathers these days?
If you want proof, why don't you go take a f--king biology class? go ask a biologist. Why are you here asking atheists about evolution? You do know that they are mutually exclusive, don't you?

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Hiya,
I suppose you coud argue it that way.
To me, agnosticism is purely a state of 'not knowing' what there is out there. While I accept the fact that there may or may not be a God, or an afterlife, i'm unable to commit to either idea because I don't have enough evidence to point me either way.
Personally, I think a majority of people who identify as athiests are actually agnostic, because athiesm in itself is a very devout belief that there is nothing afterwards, and I think everyone, no matter how firm they are in their beliefs, always have a nagging feeling at the back of their head; "what if i'm wrong?"
Well ... what if you are wrong about the leprechaun with the dachshund stuck in his nose?

Also, what you have wrong is that atheism or your professed agnosticism is not about "BELIEF" at all. It is about the evidence, it is ALL about the evidence. For everything else in this universe, it is foolish to believe something is so without supporting evidence.

For hundreds of years mankind assumed (believed) heavier object fell faster than light objects until Newton proved otherwise with the evidence provided in the cannon ball experiments. Do you see how foolish that was?

So now we have evidence to support the notion of a gravitational constant, no belief is required.

Since there is no evidence to support the existence of any deity, why believe in one ... to do so would be as foolish as believing heavy objects fall faster than lighter ones.

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Athiesm - the theory or belief that God does not exist
Sorry no. It's merely a lack of belief in a god. Nothing more, nothing less. Just because atheists don't believe in a god has no bearing on whether one exists or not.
Kesla15 wrote:
Agnosticism - a religious orientation of doubt; a denial of ultimate knowledge of the existence of God.
Exactly, lack of knowledge. That's why one can be an agnostic atheist or an agnostic theist. Can you see why it's important to distinguish between the two?
Kesla15 wrote:
Just because you portray yourself as a devout athiest does not mean you are right and I am wrong, none of us truly know who is wrong or right here, that is why it is called a FAITH.
Why do you think that taking anything on faith is a reasonable thing to do? The only good reason to believe something is if it is backed up with evidence. The complete opposite of faith.
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Atheism is arguably a religion in itself because it is a firm belief that there is nothing afterwards.
Really? What tenets do atheists follow? What atheists doctrine is written down anywhere? What established rules do atheists follow? If atheism is a religion, why aren't atheist foundations tax exempt?

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Ooogah Boogah wrote:
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Well ... what if you are wrong about the leprechaun with the dachshund stuck in his nose?
Also, what you have wrong is that atheism or your professed agnosticism is not about "BELIEF" at all. It is about the evidence, it is ALL about the evidence. For everything else in this universe, it is foolish to believe something is so without supporting evidence.
For hundreds of years mankind assumed (believed) heavier object fell faster than light objects until Newton proved otherwise with the evidence provided in the cannon ball experiments. Do you see how foolish that was?
So now we have evidence to support the notion of a gravitational constant, no belief is required.
Since there is no evidence to support the existence of any deity, why believe in one ... to do so would be as foolish as believing heavy objects fall faster than lighter ones.
Ooop!! My bad!! Galileo did that experiment to prove heavy and light objects fall at the same rate. Newton did something similar to determine escape velocity, but that is an entirely different objective.
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If you want proof, why don't you go take a f--king biology class? go ask a biologist. Why are you here asking atheists about evolution? You do know that they are mutually exclusive, don't you?
So you are admitting that you either don't know any or that you don't have any. Typical.

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madscot wrote:
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If you want proof, why don't you go take a f--king biology class? go ask a biologist. Why are you here asking atheists about evolution? You do know that they are mutually exclusive, don't you?
If you had actually been following this thread you would know that I didn't ask anyone, atheist or otherwise, for proof of evolution. I never ask atheists about evolution.....ever. Period.

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<quoted text>Sorry no. It's merely a lack of belief in a god. Nothing more, nothing less. Just because atheists don't believe in a god has no bearing on whether one exists or not.

Kesla15 wrote, "Agnosticism - a religious orientation of doubt; a denial of ultimate knowledge of the existence of God."

Exactly, lack of knowledge. That's why one can be an agnostic atheist or an agnostic theist. Can you see why it's important to distinguish between the two?

Kesla15 wrote, "Just because you portray yourself as a devout athiest does not mean you are right and I am wrong, none of us truly know who is wrong or right here, that is why it is called a FAITH."

Why do you think that taking anything on faith is a reasonable thing to do? The only good reason to believe something is if it is backed up with evidence. The complete opposite of faith.

Kesla15 wrote, "Atheism is arguably a religion in itself because it is a firm belief that there is nothing afterwards."

Really? What tenets do atheists follow? What atheists doctrine is written down anywhere? What established rules do atheists follow? If atheism is a religion, why aren't atheist foundations tax exempt?

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