Why Atheism Will Replace Religion

Why Atheism Will Replace Religion

There are 14711 comments on the News24 story from Aug 27, 2012, titled Why Atheism Will Replace Religion. In it, News24 reports that:

Please note that for this article "Atheism" also includes agnostics, deists, pagans, wiccans... in other words non-religious.

You will notice this is a statement of fact. And to be fact it is supported by evidence (see references below). Now you can have "faith" that this is not true, but by the very definition of faith, that is just wishful thinking.

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“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#5707 Feb 15, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Yet muslims blow up "opposing" mosques regularly. Why?
<quoted text>
The magic word in MUQ's post is "innocent", if they were there and were blown up, they weren't innocent.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#5708 Feb 15, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
So, did Jesus really exist? With his new book, Did Jesus Exist? The Historical Argument for Jesus of Nazareth, Bart Ehrman, historian and professor of religious studies at the University of North Carolina Chapel Hill, wanted to provide solid historical evidence for the existence of Jesus."I wanted to approach this question as an historian to see whether that's right or not," Ehrman tells weekends on All Things Considered host Guy Raz.The answer is straightforward and widely accepted among scholars of all faiths, but Ehrman says there is a large contingent of people claiming that Jesus never did exist. These people are also known as mythicists."It was a surprise to me to see how influential these mythicists are," Ehrman says. "Historically, they've been significant and in the Soviet Union, in fact, the mythicist view was the dominant view, and even today, in some parts of the West – in parts of Scandinavia — it is a dominant view that Jesus never existed," he says.Mythicists' arguments are fairly plausible, Ehrman says. According to them, Jesus was never mentioned in any Roman sources and there is no archeological evidence that Jesus ever existed. Even Christian sources are problematic – the Gospels come long after Jesus' death, written by people who never saw the man."Most importantly," he explains, "these mythicists point out that there are Pagan gods who were said to die and rise again and so the idea is that Jesus was made up as a Jewish god who died and rose again."In his book, Ehrman marshals all of the evidence proving the existence of Jesus, including the writings of the apostle Paul."Paul knew Jesus' brother, James, and he knew his closest disciple, Peter, and he tells us that he did," Ehrman says. "If Jesus didn't exist, you would think his brother would know about it, so I think Paul is probably pretty good evidence that Jesus at least existed," he says.In Did Jesus Exist?, Ehrman builds a technical argument and shows that one of the reasons for knowing that Jesus existed is that if someone invented Jesus, they would not have created a messiah who was so easily overcome."The Messiah was supposed to overthrow the enemies – and so if you're going to make up a messiah, you'd make up a powerful messiah," he says. "You wouldn't make up somebody who was humiliated, tortured and the killed by the enemies."So Jesus did exist, but who was he? Ehrman says when historians focus on the life of Jesus, they discover a Jesus who is completely different from the one portrayed by popular culture or by religious texts."The mythicists have some right things to say," Ehrman says. "The Gospels do portray Jesus in ways that are non-historical."When Raz asks Ehrman about his relationship to Jesus, Ehrman says that most of it is very historical but that Jesus teaches us valuable lessons."Jesus' teachings of love, and mercy and forgiveness, I think, really should dominate our lives," he says. "On the personal level, I agree with many of the ethical teachings of Jesus and I try to model my life on them, even though I don't agree with the apocalyptic framework in which they were put."
The messiahs are designed to appeal to the lowest common denominator, and that is the uneducated who would feel no empathy for a "son of man", not unlike himself. That would not be proof of a creator god, or of his son, but rather proof of gullibility.
Jumper The Wise

Owensboro, KY

#5709 Feb 15, 2013
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>It takes a "vapid hole", to truly understand empty.
Is there a male Christain on earth, whose mind does not incessantly delve into the underwear contents of other men. Strawberry you are a closet case.
If You don't mind please...leave your comments to those who have adressed YOU.

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#5710 Feb 15, 2013
Ooogah Boogah wrote:
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"... Bart Ehrman, historian and professor of religious studies at the University of North Carolina Chapel Hill,...."
And you don't think his research would be biased in any way ... right? Dumb butt!!
Ooger Booger

Are you familiar with the man's work? Do a little web research.

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#5711 Feb 15, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Here is where a usually smart guy like Bart shoots himself in the foot.
He argues that if the other characters in the net testament are real Jesus is real! Lmfao! Seriously Bart? You can show Paul really existed? You have historical proof of James and that he was the brother of a guy you can't prove existed? Wtf?
The Jesus myth has to be true because he was tortured? Lmfao!
I see Bart never read and of that area's tragic fiction because it is dead up like Jesus.
<quoted text>
Perhaps he should replace his picture in his books with that of Tom Brady, you're not using it any more. That would show he's just as smart as you.

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#5712 Feb 15, 2013
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>The messiahs are designed to appeal to the lowest common denominator, and that is the uneducated who would feel no empathy for a "son of man", not unlike himself. That would not be proof of a creator god, or of his son, but rather proof of gullibility.
All hail the Great and All powerfull Wizard of Reason Personified....kneel all those who are not worthy to be in the precense of such a superior intellect.

In the words of James Tiberius Kirk,

"I'm laughing at your 'superior intellect' "
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#5713 Feb 15, 2013
OB wrote:
So, if the religion is "straight from God", how can it be misused by mere mortals? God didn't see the distortions coming and could do nothing to prevent it? That would mean he can't be God, right?
Ans.

And who told you anything from God cannot be misused by humans?

God did create Uranium and see how humans are misusing it for planning to destroy entire humanity?

The religion is from Guide and it is only a set of guidelines for humans to practice and be successful in this world and in the hereafter.

It is like a Doctor’s prescription, it is only effective, if it is used properly and people avoid the prohibitions that are prescribed.

If God wanted to “force” every one to become like angels, what was the need to create humans and give them choice.

It is in the hereafter that the results shall be declared, one group shall go to heavens and another to hell.

Do you know in which group you belong to? I do not know, what about you?
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#5714 Feb 15, 2013
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>Tell us about newborn and infant sinners. Tell us about the "innocents" who would thigh babies. Tell us.
Any one who is psychopath and foul mouthed and full with hate and hatred and unable to post coherently is you and not me.
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#5715 Feb 15, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Yet muslims blow up "opposing" mosques regularly. Why?
<quoted text>
I am speaking about Islamic teachings and not what Muslims are doing.

A "Muslim" is one who is following the teachings of Islam.

Not one who has name like Ahmad, Khalid, Nasir etc.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#5716 Feb 15, 2013
Jumper The Wise wrote:
<quoted text>If You don't mind please...leave your comments to those who have adressed YOU.
This is an atheist thread* in an atheist forum, you ass wipe. I would never show up in your church, and say what I think of you and your interest in other males danglies. Maybe you should take your crap, to where your kind congregate, you are doing them no favors by mouthing off here.

*for all intents and purposes consider this our(the atheist) living room and when you're pissing all over the place, it says more about who you are, than who you think we are.

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Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#5717 Feb 15, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
<quoted text>
All hail the Great and All powerfull Wizard of Reason Personified....kneel all those who are not worthy to be in the precense of such a superior intellect.
In the words of James Tiberius Kirk,
"I'm laughing at your 'superior intellect' "
And I am pitying your inferior one.

There is nothing so freeing as education, nor nothing so imprisoning as is the lack of that same education. There is reason for your shepherds calling the herd, "Sheep".

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#5718 Feb 15, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Any one who is psychopath and foul mouthed and full with hate and hatred and unable to post coherently is you and not me.
"Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text> Tell us about newborn and infant sinners. Tell us about the "innocents" who would thigh babies. Tell us. "

Show me the incoherence in that post, and then tell us about "thighing babies.

For anyone who doesn't know, please google "thighing", and know that MUQ does like most Muslims do, he sanctions these atrocities by not standing against them.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#5719 Feb 15, 2013
Hey if you got a crush on Tom Brady suggest that to him. I notice you couldn't refute what I said.

I humbly accept your surrender.
Pietro Armando wrote:
<quoted text>
Perhaps he should replace his picture in his books with that of Tom Brady, you're not using it any more. That would show he's just as smart as you.
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#5720 Feb 15, 2013
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>
"Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text> Tell us about newborn and infant sinners. Tell us about the "innocents" who would thigh babies. Tell us. "
Show me the incoherence in that post, and then tell us about "thighing babies.
For anyone who doesn't know, please google "thighing", and know that MUQ does like most Muslims do, he sanctions these atrocities by not standing against them.
I think you are of a very sick mind and sicklier thoughts.

You should see a mental doctor who might take your mind "off thighing".

You can tell to that mental doctor your problem that you only see "thigh" every where and any where.

When you are in your office and factory and bathroom, all you see is "thighs".

I am sure he would be able to find a solution and "De-thigh" your outlook.

And he would also advise you to change your Pseudo Name!!

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#5721 Feb 16, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
I think you are of a very sick mind and sicklier thoughts.
You should see a mental doctor who might take your mind "off thighing".
You can tell to that mental doctor your problem that you only see "thigh" every where and any where.
When you are in your office and factory and bathroom, all you see is "thighs".
I am sure he would be able to find a solution and "De-thigh" your outlook.
And he would also advise you to change your Pseudo Name!!
If there is even just one single child on this entire planet being touched (being thighed)by some adult male monster's penis, it is my business.

I am human, I am a mother, I am responsible for every child on earth, just like we all are meant to be. It is our most sacred duty, that of protecting the innocence and health of our little ones. How dare you stand up for that filth and then attack me for outing it?

These Muslim monsters who would rip and tear the bodies of newborn infants with their penises and you want me to accept it, to shut up and accept it? Screw you, you sick MF'er, screw you.

Why MUQ, why are babies turned into sex toys by you dirty monsters? Is it because the only thing you have any respect for is the penis and testes? None of you are men, you are less than animals

Since: Mar 11

United States

#5722 Feb 16, 2013
So all people with those names cannot be Muslims or good followers of Islam? Here's an idea Muq, maybe if the Quran didn't have so many examples of war and killing the non believer, so many Muslims wouldn't be killing themselves in it's name?

Has this ever occurred to you?

And seeing as how the Quran does have so many brutal bloody passages it makes you think, hmmm maybe this was written by an @sshole not some divine god!
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
I am speaking about Islamic teachings and not what Muslims are doing.
A "Muslim" is one who is following the teachings of Islam.
Not one who has name like Ahmad, Khalid, Nasir etc.

“Blue Collar Philosopher”

Since: Nov 08

Texas, USA

#5723 Feb 16, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
<quoted text>
Why do these fairy tales exist in the first place?
<quoted text>
Secular schools also indoctrinate.
<quoted text>
So close'em all down. It they have no virtue, are simply "con" centers of big business, no need for them to exist, now is there.
To Bind Up the Wounds: Catholic Sister Nurses in the U.S. Civil War
Sister Mary Denis Maher. To Bind Up the Wounds: Catholic Sister Nurses in the U.S. Civil War. Reprint. Baton Rouge: Louisiana State University Press, 1999.
The Civil War broke upon the American scene with a ferocity not witnessed in previous wars. The sheer number and severity of casualties overwhelmed the unprepared Union and Confederate medical services. Each side desperately sought to meet the need for hospitals, trained surgeons, medical supplies, and nurses, with varying degrees of success. Both sides employed the services of six hundred nuns from twelve different orders and twenty-one separate religious communities throughout the Union and Confederate territories. Despite a general lack of primary source material, Sister Mary Denis Maher presents compelling evidence that the Catholic nuns were the most qualified nurses available. She points out that the tasks of sisters in mid-nineteenth-century America were "teaching, caring for orphans, nursing the sick and providing spiritual assistance for the dying" (p. 2).
Historically, European orders had been involved in nursing for several hundred years. In the United States, beginning in the early 1800s, orders such as the Sisters of Charity (which provided the largest number of nursing nuns) had been founded primarily, but not solely, as nursing orders. The Sisters of Charity had had prior experience in establishing and administrating cholera hospitals in the epidemics of 1828, 1832, and 1848. They also administered the Baltimore Clinic, the forerunner of the University of Maryland Medical School and Hospital. Other orders had established hospitals (e.g., St. Vincent's Hospital in New York City, 1836).
The Catholic nuns, unlike Protestant women nurses, had already "lived in an organized and structured form of benevolent missionary association" (p. 21). They were also accustomed to a sparse lifestyle that allowed them to readily develop the flexibility to cope with the chaotic situations accompanying war. These attributes, when added to their nursing skills, made them superior. In general, Union and Confederate physicians praised them warmly and actively sought their services. Amazingly, there were instances when they had "immunity of the Cloth," able to freely cross the lines to serve the wounded.
The contributions of Catholic nuns to the nursing in the Civil War have been largely forgotten. These women set a high standard for the fledgling profession, and gained the respect of physicians and patients -- yet the knowledge of their accomplishments faded with the passing of time. The nuns were not self-seeking and generally did not record their experiences. What little primary source material there was has not, unfortunately, been preserved.
In the final analysis, the contributions of the nursing nuns, like those of "the buffalo soldiers" on the western frontier, had to await the arrival of a time in our history relatively unclouded by the prejudices of the past. This is an American story of a group of remarkable women who helped bring order to chaos, providing kindness, humanity, and nursing skills to many Union and Confederate soldiers who, without their presence, would not have survived.
Humans want answers. Fairy tales once sufficed.

In the final analysis, who gets to indoctrinate what into whom is what it's all about. Almost no one is getting indoctrinated into skeptical thinking. Imagine that.

Most Human compassion is embodied in women. Why do you think we keep them oppressed? Why, there'd be no wars at all if we left it up to the women folk!!! Can't have that.

Since: Apr 08

Nottingham, UK

#5724 Feb 16, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
I am speaking about Islamic teachings and not what Muslims are doing.
A "Muslim" is one who is following the teachings of Islam.
Not one who has name like Ahmad, Khalid, Nasir etc.
What teachings would they be and how do you know they are Islamic?

Oh wait, that's easy.

It the teachings are for men only, then they are Islamic.

“Blue Collar Philosopher”

Since: Nov 08

Texas, USA

#5725 Feb 16, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
So, did Jesus really exist? With his new book, Did Jesus Exist? The Historical Argument for Jesus of Nazareth, Bart Ehrman, historian and professor of religious studies at the University of North Carolina Chapel Hill, wanted to provide solid historical evidence for the existence of Jesus."I wanted to approach this question as an historian to see whether that's right or not," Ehrman tells weekends on All Things Considered host Guy Raz.The answer is straightforward and widely accepted among scholars of all faiths, but Ehrman says there is a large contingent of people claiming that Jesus never did exist. These people are also known as mythicists."It was a surprise to me to see how influential these mythicists are," Ehrman says. "Historically, they've been significant and in the Soviet Union, in fact, the mythicist view was the dominant view, and even today, in some parts of the West – in parts of Scandinavia — it is a dominant view that Jesus never existed," he says.Mythicists' arguments are fairly plausible, Ehrman says. According to them, Jesus was never mentioned in any Roman sources and there is no archeological evidence that Jesus ever existed. Even Christian sources are problematic – the Gospels come long after Jesus' death, written by people who never saw the man."Most importantly," he explains, "these mythicists point out that there are Pagan gods who were said to die and rise again and so the idea is that Jesus was made up as a Jewish god who died and rose again."In his book, Ehrman marshals all of the evidence proving the existence of Jesus, including the writings of the apostle Paul."Paul knew Jesus' brother, James, and he knew his closest disciple, Peter, and he tells us that he did," Ehrman says. "If Jesus didn't exist, you would think his brother would know about it, so I think Paul is probably pretty good evidence that Jesus at least existed," he says.In Did Jesus Exist?, Ehrman builds a technical argument and shows that one of the reasons for knowing that Jesus existed is that if someone invented Jesus, they would not have created a messiah who was so easily overcome."The Messiah was supposed to overthrow the enemies – and so if you're going to make up a messiah, you'd make up a powerful messiah," he says. "You wouldn't make up somebody who was humiliated, tortured and the killed by the enemies."So Jesus did exist, but who was he? Ehrman says when historians focus on the life of Jesus, they discover a Jesus who is completely different from the one portrayed by popular culture or by religious texts."The mythicists have some right things to say," Ehrman says. "The Gospels do portray Jesus in ways that are non-historical."When Raz asks Ehrman about his relationship to Jesus, Ehrman says that most of it is very historical but that Jesus teaches us valuable lessons."Jesus' teachings of love, and mercy and forgiveness, I think, really should dominate our lives," he says. "On the personal level, I agree with many of the ethical teachings of Jesus and I try to model my life on them, even though I don't agree with the apocalyptic framework in which they were put."
Did Jesus have any older brothers or sisters? LOL

“Blue Collar Philosopher”

Since: Nov 08

Texas, USA

#5726 Feb 16, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
You cannot sweep all religions and their teachings with one broom.
I can and do. Makes things a lot simpler than pointing out the numerous fallacies individually.

So ... do you practice or condone this "thighing" thing? That's pretty sick you know. I would say that Islam stands above other religions in it's need of being swept.

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