Why Atheism Will Replace Religion

Why Atheism Will Replace Religion

There are 14656 comments on the News24 story from Aug 27, 2012, titled Why Atheism Will Replace Religion. In it, News24 reports that:

Please note that for this article "Atheism" also includes agnostics, deists, pagans, wiccans... in other words non-religious.

You will notice this is a statement of fact. And to be fact it is supported by evidence (see references below). Now you can have "faith" that this is not true, but by the very definition of faith, that is just wishful thinking.

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“Educating the uneducated”

Since: Aug 12

Montreal

#5687 Feb 15, 2013
socci wrote:
<quoted text>Jesus? He's no myth rather recorded historic fact. Get over it. Your caveman? Not so much.
Please, give us a link to a credible source that proves Jesus existed.

Your second claim is even more far-fetched for there is tons of proof for the existence of the homo erectus and so on. It is not a belief, it is history, based on facts.

If you can't back yourself up when asked for sources, you obviously have no fact behind your claims. So be careful as to what your response is.

(Though I bet you'll just invalidate yourself like everyone else.)

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#5688 Feb 15, 2013
So, did Jesus really exist? With his new book, Did Jesus Exist? The Historical Argument for Jesus of Nazareth, Bart Ehrman, historian and professor of religious studies at the University of North Carolina Chapel Hill, wanted to provide solid historical evidence for the existence of Jesus."I wanted to approach this question as an historian to see whether that's right or not," Ehrman tells weekends on All Things Considered host Guy Raz.The answer is straightforward and widely accepted among scholars of all faiths, but Ehrman says there is a large contingent of people claiming that Jesus never did exist. These people are also known as mythicists."It was a surprise to me to see how influential these mythicists are," Ehrman says. "Historically, they've been significant and in the Soviet Union, in fact, the mythicist view was the dominant view, and even today, in some parts of the West – in parts of Scandinavia — it is a dominant view that Jesus never existed," he says.Mythicists' arguments are fairly plausible, Ehrman says. According to them, Jesus was never mentioned in any Roman sources and there is no archeological evidence that Jesus ever existed. Even Christian sources are problematic – the Gospels come long after Jesus' death, written by people who never saw the man."Most importantly," he explains, "these mythicists point out that there are Pagan gods who were said to die and rise again and so the idea is that Jesus was made up as a Jewish god who died and rose again."In his book, Ehrman marshals all of the evidence proving the existence of Jesus, including the writings of the apostle Paul."Paul knew Jesus' brother, James, and he knew his closest disciple, Peter, and he tells us that he did," Ehrman says. "If Jesus didn't exist, you would think his brother would know about it, so I think Paul is probably pretty good evidence that Jesus at least existed," he says.In Did Jesus Exist?, Ehrman builds a technical argument and shows that one of the reasons for knowing that Jesus existed is that if someone invented Jesus, they would not have created a messiah who was so easily overcome."The Messiah was supposed to overthrow the enemies – and so if you're going to make up a messiah, you'd make up a powerful messiah," he says. "You wouldn't make up somebody who was humiliated, tortured and the killed by the enemies."So Jesus did exist, but who was he? Ehrman says when historians focus on the life of Jesus, they discover a Jesus who is completely different from the one portrayed by popular culture or by religious texts."The mythicists have some right things to say," Ehrman says. "The Gospels do portray Jesus in ways that are non-historical."When Raz asks Ehrman about his relationship to Jesus, Ehrman says that most of it is very historical but that Jesus teaches us valuable lessons."Jesus' teachings of love, and mercy and forgiveness, I think, really should dominate our lives," he says. "On the personal level, I agree with many of the ethical teachings of Jesus and I try to model my life on them, even though I don't agree with the apocalyptic framework in which they were put."
Henry

Bad Langensalza, Germany

#5689 Feb 15, 2013
Lacez wrote:
<quoted text>
If one doesn't believe in a magical fairy in the sky named god, then one doesn't believe in it's children named angels.
Ergo one does not believe in satan since according to your fairy tales, he is a fallen angel.
Therefore satanism has nothing to do with atheism.
You religious nuts have nothing better to do than to deny reality and fact.
No satan of course no god!
Henry

Bad Langensalza, Germany

#5690 Feb 15, 2013
BBSting wrote:
<quoted text>
That's because the nuclear age is the result of godless thinking.
Nuclear age is a result of human science. It has not the daintest to do with "godless"!
Henry

Bad Langensalza, Germany

#5691 Feb 15, 2013
BBSting wrote:
<quoted text>
That's because the nuclear age is the result of godless thinking.
The nuclear age has not the slightest to do with religious phantasm. Nuclear age is a child of science!
Henry

Bad Langensalza, Germany

#5692 Feb 15, 2013
socci wrote:
<quoted text>
Jesus? He's no myth rather recorded historic fact. Get over it. Your caveman? Not so much.
Jesus? Oh he is dead for 2000 years or so!
Henry

Bad Langensalza, Germany

#5693 Feb 15, 2013
BBSting wrote:
<quoted text>
That's because the nuclear age is the result of godless thinking.
No, the nuclear age is the result of science! This has of course nothing to do with religious garbage!
Henry

Bad Langensalza, Germany

#5694 Feb 15, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
<quoted text>
Why doesn't anyone criticize religious belief using school, hospitals, adoption agencies, children's relief organizations, food banks, etc. "Those evil Christians (or Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Etc.), with all their hospitals, schools, universities, food distribution networks, clothing giveaways, charities.....always trying to subvert humanity, if only they'd just go away, mankind would be so much better off". As we all know man kind without religion would thus be able to return to the "better angels of our nature".
I am sorry, in the nuclear age,it is very uncertain for humanity to survive!
Thinking

Yeovil, UK

#5695 Feb 15, 2013
The Sun is nuclear powered. Merkel wants to replace it with a much dimmer sun and make the existing sun illegal.
Henry wrote:
<quoted text>I am sorry, in the nuclear age,it is very uncertain for humanity to survive!

“There is no Truth in Faith”

Since: Dec 08

nowhere near a pound of $100's

#5696 Feb 15, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
So, did Jesus really exist? With his new book, Did Jesus Exist? The Historical Argument for Jesus of Nazareth, Bart Ehrman, historian and professor of religious studies at the University of North Carolina Chapel Hill, wanted to provide solid historical evidence for the existence of Jesus."I wanted to approach this question as an historian to see whether that's right or not," Ehrman tells weekends on All Things Considered host Guy Raz.The answer is straightforward and widely accepted among scholars of all faiths, but Ehrman says there is a large contingent of people claiming that Jesus never did exist. These people are also known as mythicists."It was a surprise to me to see how influential these mythicists are," Ehrman says. "Historically, they've been significant and in the Soviet Union, in fact, the mythicist view was the dominant view, and even today, in some parts of the West – in parts of Scandinavia — it is a dominant view that Jesus never existed," he says.Mythicists' arguments are fairly plausible, Ehrman says. According to them, Jesus was never mentioned in any Roman sources and there is no archeological evidence that Jesus ever existed. Even Christian sources are problematic – the Gospels come long after Jesus' death, written by people who never saw the man."Most importantly," he explains, "these mythicists point out that there are Pagan gods who were said to die and rise again and so the idea is that Jesus was made up as a Jewish god who died and rose again."In his book, Ehrman marshals all of the evidence proving the existence of Jesus, including the writings of the apostle Paul."Paul knew Jesus' brother, James, and he knew his closest disciple, Peter, and he tells us that he did," Ehrman says. "If Jesus didn't exist, you would think his brother would know about it, so I think Paul is probably pretty good evidence that Jesus at least existed," he says.In Did Jesus Exist?, Ehrman builds a technical argument and shows that one of the reasons for knowing that Jesus existed is that if someone invented Jesus, they would not have created a messiah who was so easily overcome."The Messiah was supposed to overthrow the enemies – and so if you're going to make up a messiah, you'd make up a powerful messiah," he says. "You wouldn't make up somebody who was humiliated, tortured and the killed by the enemies."So Jesus did exist, but who was he? Ehrman says when historians focus on the life of Jesus, they discover a Jesus who is completely different from the one portrayed by popular culture or by religious texts."The mythicists have some right things to say," Ehrman says. "The Gospels do portray Jesus in ways that are non-historical."When Raz asks Ehrman about his relationship to Jesus, Ehrman says that most of it is very historical but that Jesus teaches us valuable lessons."Jesus' teachings of love, and mercy and forgiveness, I think, really should dominate our lives," he says. "On the personal level, I agree with many of the ethical teachings of Jesus and I try to model my life on them, even though I don't agree with the apocalyptic framework in which they were put."
"... Bart Ehrman, historian and professor of religious studies at the University of North Carolina Chapel Hill,...."

And you don't think his research would be biased in any way ... right? Dumb butt!!

Since: Mar 11

United States

#5697 Feb 15, 2013
But your religion also teaches infidels are not innocent and deserving of death. And you know it.
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
My religion tells me that it is one of the Biggest of the Big sins to kill any innocent man, women or child. Period!
Now you should ask the other side and demand proofs. Not from me. I can give references from Quran and sayings of prophet about what I mentioned as Islamic position.
Why you ask my opinion about some one who does a Sin?

Since: Mar 11

United States

#5698 Feb 15, 2013
Bart claims to be an agnostic now yet often reverts to his old Fundie ways.
Ooogah Boogah wrote:
<quoted text>
"... Bart Ehrman, historian and professor of religious studies at the University of North Carolina Chapel Hill,...."
And you don't think his research would be biased in any way ... right? Dumb butt!!

Since: Apr 11

Santa Monica, CA

#5699 Feb 15, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
So, did Jesus really exist? With his new book, Did Jesus Exist? The Historical Argument for Jesus of Nazareth,
Nazareth didn't exist when Jesus was supposed to have lived.
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/nazareth.htm...
Pietro Armando wrote:
Bart Ehrman, historian and professor of religious studies at the University of North Carolina Chapel Hill, wanted to provide solid historical evidence for the existence of Jesus."I wanted to approach this question as an historian to see whether that's right or not," Ehrman tells weekends on All Things Considered host Guy Raz.The answer is straightforward and widely accepted among scholars of all faiths, but Ehrman says there is a large contingent of people claiming that Jesus never did exist. These people are also known as mythicists."It was a surprise to me to see how influential these mythicists are," Ehrman says. "Historically, they've been significant and in the Soviet Union, in fact, the mythicist view was the dominant view, and even today, in some parts of the West – in parts of Scandinavia — it is a dominant view that Jesus never existed," he says.Mythicists' arguments are fairly plausible, Ehrman says. According to them, Jesus was never mentioned in any Roman sources and there is no archeological evidence that Jesus ever existed. Even Christian sources are problematic – the Gospels come long after Jesus' death, written by people who never saw the man."Most importantly," he explains, "these mythicists point out that there are Pagan gods who were said to die and rise again and so the idea is that Jesus was made up as a Jewish god who died and rose again."In his book, Ehrman marshals all of the evidence proving the existence of Jesus, including the writings of the apostle Paul."Paul knew Jesus' brother, James, and he knew his closest disciple, Peter, and he tells us that he did," Ehrman says. "If Jesus didn't exist, you would think his brother would know about it, so I think Paul is probably pretty good evidence that Jesus at least existed," he says.In Did Jesus Exist?, Ehrman builds a technical argument and shows that one of the reasons for knowing that Jesus existed is that if someone invented Jesus, they would not have created a messiah who was so easily overcome."The Messiah was supposed to overthrow the enemies – and so if you're going to make up a messiah, you'd make up a powerful messiah," he says. "You wouldn't make up somebody who was humiliated, tortured and the killed by the enemies."So Jesus did exist, but who was he? Ehrman says when historians focus on the life of Jesus, they discover a Jesus who is completely different from the one portrayed by popular culture or by religious texts."The mythicists have some right things to say," Ehrman says. "The Gospels do portray Jesus in ways that are non-historical."When Raz asks Ehrman about his relationship to Jesus, Ehrman says that most of it is very historical but that Jesus teaches us valuable lessons."Jesus' teachings of love, and mercy and forgiveness, I think, really should dominate our lives," he says. "On the personal level, I agree with many of the ethical teachings of Jesus and I try to model my life on them, even though I don't agree with the apocalyptic framework in which they were put."
I think there was an actual "Jesus", but he wasn't like the character in the gospels. He has the same relationship to the Jesus of the buy-bull that St. Nikolaus has to Santa.

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#5700 Feb 15, 2013
Lacez wrote:
<quoted text>The fact that you're reading what I write is evidence that I exist.

Otherwise you're just talking to yourself and you're just crazier than originally thought.
Nope, no evidence. The server will crash and you will be gone.

Since: Mar 11

United States

#5701 Feb 15, 2013
Here is where a usually smart guy like Bart shoots himself in the foot.

He argues that if the other characters in the net testament are real Jesus is real! Lmfao! Seriously Bart? You can show Paul really existed? You have historical proof of James and that he was the brother of a guy you can't prove existed? Wtf?

The Jesus myth has to be true because he was tortured? Lmfao!

I see Bart never read and of that area's tragic fiction because it is dead up like Jesus.
Pietro Armando wrote:
So, did Jesus really exist? "If Jesus didn't exist, you would think his brother would know about it, so I think Paul is probably pretty good evidence that Jesus at least existed," he says.You wouldn't make up somebody who was humiliated, tortured and the killed by the enemies. Ehrman says. "The Gospels do portray Jesus in ways that are non-historical."

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#5702 Feb 15, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Why are we psychopath?
We deliver the message of truth to people and are ready to answer their doubts and questions.
But if they continue to reject the truth, who is to blame?
If they choose to fall from a high cliff, why the creator of cliff is Psychopath? No one forced them to fall from that cliff.
They chose to fall from the cliff and they should face the consequences.
What type of reverse logic is yours?
Do you mean to say that we should say "come, come, take a good view from this cliff, fall if you want, nothing will happen to you?
How illogical and psychopath YOU people sound!!
There is no cliff and you are a psychopath.

Tell me how often do newborn infants die after being "thighed"? I repeat, you are a psychopath.

You don't have to indulge in a despicable practice, but when you knowingly stand praising the system that allows, sanctions or even tolerates it, you are insane. You lack empathy for mankind, thereby making you a psychopath.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#5703 Feb 15, 2013
Fitz wrote:
<quoted text>
The CDC not mentioning something is hardly proof of anything..
The argument is simply that it is a confirmed truth that the non-religious and atheists kill themselves at much greater percentages than believers do.
This is established fact and even a little internet research will confirm it.
You and others look defensive and immune to fact when you try and deny it..
A little Internet research will confirm that Jesus Christ is female and or gay, it will also disclose that the bible describes Jesus breasts as it would that of a woman's breast. Now also a little Internet research will disclose that Martians rather than humans created man's gods, and that suicide is mostly likely committed by the extremely religious fundamentals, like Pentecostal. A little Internet research will net you any chosen outcome that you like.

Pick your conclusion, and the net will prove it for you

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#5704 Feb 15, 2013
His-truth wrote:
sickofit = "As humanity learns and educates itself we put aside religion and old myths"
always learning and never able to arrive at a knowledge of the truth .......... 2 Timothy 3:7
The fear (awesome respect) of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge; fools despise wisdom and instruction .......... Proverbs 1:7
You had better respect him, or he will make you eat your children.

Leviticus 26:29

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#5705 Feb 15, 2013
Jumper The Wise wrote:
<quoted text>Check you shorts.Then we'll talk about what is truly 'empty'
It takes a "vapid hole", to truly understand empty.

Is there a male Christain on earth, whose mind does not incessantly delve into the underwear contents of other men. Strawberry you are a closet case.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#5706 Feb 15, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
My religion tells me that it is one of the Biggest of the Big sins to kill any innocent man, women or child. Period!
Now you should ask the other side and demand proofs. Not from me. I can give references from Quran and sayings of prophet about what I mentioned as Islamic position.
Why you ask my opinion about some one who does a Sin?
Tell us about newborn and infant sinners. Tell us about the "innocents" who would thigh babies. Tell us.

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