Why Atheism Will Replace Religion

[Pietro Armando]

RHill wrote:

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Well then ... we've pretty much established that the preponderance of Humanity "benefits" from the influence of one religion or another. It is from religion that we "must" derive a moral compass, else we would simply not know right from wrong. Yet, in your own words humans "kill and enslave and plan to kill and torture other humans and nations and groups which "no Animal might have ever imagined". Is it not then clear that religion (pick one) has failed us? How can you not see that the various religions, as they compete for the hearts and minds of humanity (and ultimately, world domination) as THE driving force behind virtually all Human conflict?? Is it not in this constant conflict that Mankind has squandered it's treasure, poisoned our planet, ground our people and our greatest civilizations to dust? Are we not engaged in this madness even today, at this very moment?
Religion (pick one) is the most vile, most destructive, most counter-productive construct of the Human mind ... ever. Even so, you people, you Religionists wave your holy books, feebly thump your empty chests, pat each other on the back and support each others delusions and for what? Your Heavenly reward of course. Your assurance from your religion (pick one) that you've done all the right stuff, murmured all the proper prayers, dressed right, stood right, bowed right, banged your empty little heads right and now you've earned yourself a spot in some kind of eternal Paradise. Congratulations.

Why doesn't anyone criticize religious belief using school, hospitals, adoption agencies, children's relief organizations, food banks, etc. "Those evil Christians (or Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Etc.), with all their hospitals, schools, universities, food distribution networks, clothing giveaways, charities.....always trying to subvert humanity, if only they'd just go away, mankind would be so much better off". As we all know man kind without religion would thus be able to return to the "better angels of our nature".

[RHill]

Pietro Armando wrote:

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Why doesn't anyone criticize religious belief using school, hospitals, adoption agencies, children's relief organizations, food banks, etc. "Those evil Christians (or Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Etc.), with all their hospitals, schools, universities, food distribution networks, clothing giveaways, charities.....always trying to subvert humanity, if only they'd just go away, mankind would be so much better off". As we all know man kind without religion would thus be able to return to the "better angels of our nature".

Those institutions are created to help religion implant (infiltrate?) itself within a society. They do "good", true enough, but only by virtue of the qualities of the people working within them. Humans are, by nature, compassionate and altruistic and such places would still exist without the fairy tales. Certainly schools, run by a church, are ill-disguised religious indoctrination centers. Hospitals and relief organizations use their religious affiliations to inspire confidence (read 'con' as in 'conman' if you like) and their motives may not be all that peachy. There's big bucks involved in all that stuff and you know what the good book says about the love of money. In any case, it's business, big business and no more worthy of being waved around as examples of VIRTUE than Enron or Shell Oil.

[Fitz]

NightSerf wrote:

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If atheism were a significant risk factor for suicide, I suspect that the CDC would list it as such on this page:
http://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/suicide...
or at least list religious faith as a protective factor.

The CDC not mentioning something is hardly proof of anything..

The argument is simply that it is a confirmed truth that the non-religious and atheists kill themselves at much greater percentages than believers do.

This is established fact and even a little internet research will confirm it.

You and others look defensive and immune to fact when you try and deny it..

[Fitz]

madscot wrote:

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This in not a sample of the population at large. The starting set of people met,” DSM-III-R criteria for a current major depressive episode…” Your starting group is a small sub set of very depressed people. This type of diagnosis requires human interpretation and is subject to unintentional bias. Additionally, this is not a blind study (forget double blind)– that is the people collecting the data knew which person gave which answers. Another problem is that the some of the data is self reported. People are poor at giving self reported data. I imagine this could be worse if your are very depressed. I also could not find in the study how they decided who did or did not have a “religious affiliation”. These are all huge problems for this study.
In this sub group there is a material variation in personal networks (which could affect suicide rates – again – no control is provided)“Religiously affiliated subjects reported a more family-oriented social network, reflected in more time spent with first-degree relatives.”
I loved this little gem –“Therefore, it is possible that depressed patients who stated that they were atheists or had no religion had abandoned religion as a consequence of depression or hopelessness.”
So… When you are really depressed you may claim to not care about religion – DUH! When really depressed you are likely to not care about a lot of things.
http://www.skepticmoney.com/religious-affilia...

You have sure gone through a lot of trouble to try and refute a single study. Unfortunetly for you the fact that atheists commit suicide at a greater rate than believers is established fact proven through multiple large and small scale studies.

I could list a number of these studies for you.,.. There not all availiable on the internet..

Butg the larger question seems to be ..why so defensive in the face of established facts?

You would look better to simply accept this...becuase its not like your capable of explaining away an accepted fact.

[sickofit]

As humanity learns and educates itself we put aside religion and old myths.

[Jumper The Wise]

....and we find emptiness.

[Ooogah Boogah]

Jumper The Wise wrote:

....and we find emptiness.

There's nothing wrong with "emptiness" as long as there is really nothing there. Interestingly, we have not yet found any part of space time that is truly empty.

As for "religion" ... that's for infantile minds who prefer absurdity to uncertainty.

[Pietro Armando]

Ooogah Boogah wrote:

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There's nothing wrong with "emptiness" as long as there is really nothing there. Interestingly, we have not yet found any part of space time that is truly empty.
As for "religion" ... that's for infantile minds who prefer absurdity to uncertainty.

Thank you for that wisdom.... oh Wise and Wonderful Wizard of Oogah Boogah. Thank God we infantile minds have you to guide us.

[Ooogah Boogah]

Pietro Armando wrote:

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Thank you for that wisdom.... oh Wise and Wonderful Wizard of Oogah Boogah. Thank God we infantile minds have you to guide us.

Snicker away, monkey boy!!!

General Characteristics Of Apes
Morphological characteristics

The orbits of apes’ eyes are encircled with bone.
Apes have forward-facing eyes that provide them a binocular vision, allowing them to perceive depth.
They have flattened snouts and noses. They lack whiskers.
Unlike other species of monkeys, apes do not have hairy faces.
Their ears are relatively small and hairless.
Apes have long arms, which is an adaptation for their arboreal life. They use their long arms to brachiate through trees.
Apes have five digits on all limbs.
Apes can balance themselves in bipedal pose and walk considerable distances in this manner.
Opposable thumb aids them in holding things (power gripping) and picking up small objects (precision gripping).
Apes have flattened nails that aid in fingertip protection. They have sensitive tactile pads on digits.
Dentition of apes is adapted for opportunistic, omnivorous diet.

Anatomical Characteristics

Apes have one upper and two lower bones on each limb.
They have the most mobile shoulders among all mammals and this is due to the dorsal position of scapula, the shoulder bone.
The ribs of apes are flatter front-to-back which makes their rib cages broader.
Their brain is larger than the normal body-brain ratio; this shows high level of intelligence.
Apes show progressive expansion of brain cells, especially the cerebral cortex region.
They have a less mobile spine as compared to monkeys.
Apes do not have tails; their tail vertebrae are greatly reduced.
The top of apes’ heads, cranium, are large and dome shaped.

Physiological Characteristics

Apes regulate their body temperature internally (endothermy).
The dietary habits of apes show great variation among different species. While gorillas are foliovorous (feeding of leaves), other species are primarily frugivorous (feeding on fruits), however, chimpanzees may hunt sometimes for meat. Foraging behaviors are correspondingly variable among various species.
Apes have many physiological adaptations in the gut, including anatomical specializations of stomach, caecum and colon. They are adapted to digest food high in structural carbohydrates (&#64257;ber) and can detoxify secondary compounds from plants.
Apes rely on vision rather than smell. This is because they have good vision while their olfactory senses are not as developed.
Primates have color vision.

Reproduction And Parenting

Primates exhibit sexual dimorphism i.e., phenotypically different males and females.
Males have pendulous penis and scrotal testis.
Females have two well-developed pectoral mammary glands.
Apes have a long gestation period which differs from one species to another.
Apes, like humans, have reduced litter size, usually one youngling per litter. This enables them to provide better parenting.
Apes feed their young ones with breast milk, secreted from mammary glands.
Apes show attachment parenting. The young ones remain attached to either of their parents for the first few years after birth. This helps the young ones to learn the complex structure of their society.

Social Characteristics

Primates are largely social animals with complex social structure. Social life helps them protect each other from predators and also preserves depleting food resources.
Apes form groups and these groups belong to one of the following six; single female and her offspring, monogamous family group, one-male-several-female group, group with several males and females, polyandrous family group and fission-fusion society.

[His-truth]

sickofit = "As humanity learns and educates itself we put aside religion and old myths"

always learning and never able to arrive at a knowledge of the truth .......... 2 Timothy 3:7

The fear (awesome respect) of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge; fools despise wisdom and instruction .......... Proverbs 1:7

[Ooogah Boogah]

His-truth wrote:

sickofit = "As humanity learns and educates itself we put aside religion and old myths"
always learning and never able to arrive at a knowledge of the truth .......... 2 Timothy 3:7
The fear (awesome respect) of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge; fools despise wisdom and instruction .......... Proverbs 1:7

1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.

In other words, Paul is telling believers to pay no attention to the man behind the curtains and keep believing his BS

[Jumper The Wise]

Ooogah Boogah wrote:

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There's nothing wrong with "emptiness" as long as there is really nothing there. Interestingly, we have not yet found any part of space time that is truly empty.
As for "religion" ... that's for infantile minds who prefer absurdity to uncertainty.

Check you shorts.Then we'll talk about what is truly 'empty'

[Pietro Armando]

http://m.youtube.com/index...

Ooogah Boogah wrote:

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Snicker away, monkey boy!!!

That's the best you can come up with?! Apparently your mind is also infantile.....you can do better than that.

[Pietro Armando]

Ooogah Boogah wrote:

<quoted text>
Snicker away, monkey boy!!!
General Characteristics Of Apes
Morphological characteristics
The orbits of apes’ eyes are encircled with bone.
Apes have forward-facing eyes that provide them a binocular vision, allowing them to perceive depth.
They have flattened snouts and noses. They lack whiskers.
Unlike other species of monkeys, apes do not have hairy faces.
Their ears are relatively small and hairless.
Apes have long arms, which is an adaptation for their arboreal life. They use their long arms to brachiate through trees.
Apes have five digits on all limbs.
Apes can balance themselves in bipedal pose and walk considerable distances in this manner.
Opposable thumb aids them in holding things (power gripping) and picking up small objects (precision gripping).
Apes have flattened nails that aid in fingertip protection. They have sensitive tactile pads on digits.
Dentition of apes is adapted for opportunistic, omnivorous diet.
Anatomical Characteristics
Apes have one upper and two lower bones on each limb.
They have the most mobile shoulders among all mammals and this is due to the dorsal position of scapula, the shoulder bone.
The ribs of apes are flatter front-to-back which makes their rib cages broader.
Their brain is larger than the normal body-brain ratio; this shows high level of intelligence.
Apes show progressive expansion of brain cells, especially the cerebral cortex region.
They have a less mobile spine as compared to monkeys.
Apes do not have tails; their tail vertebrae are greatly reduced.
The top of apes’ heads, cranium, are large and dome shaped.
Physiological Characteristics
Apes regulate their body temperature internally (endothermy).
The dietary habits of apes show great variation among different species. While gorillas are foliovorous (feeding of leaves), other species are primarily frugivorous (feeding on fruits), however, chimpanzees may hunt sometimes for meat. Foraging behaviors are correspondingly variable among various species.
Apes have many physiological adaptations in the gut, including anatomical specializations of stomach, caecum and colon. They are adapted to digest food high in structural carbohydrates (&#64257;ber) and can detoxify secondary compounds from plants.
Apes rely on vision rather than smell. This is because they have good vision while their olfactory senses are not as developed.
Primates have color vision.
Reproduction And Parenting
Primates exhibit sexual dimorphism i.e., phenotypically different males and females.
Males have pendulous penis and scrotal testis.
Females have two well-developed pectoral mammary glands.
Apes have a long gestation period which differs from one species to another.
Apes, like humans, have reduced litter size, usually one youngling per litter. This enables them to provide better parenting.
Apes feed their young ones with breast milk, secreted from mammary glands.
Apes show attachment parenting. The young ones remain attached to either of their parents for the first few years after birth. This helps the young ones to learn the complex structure of their society.
Social Characteristics
Primates are largely social animals with complex social structure. Social life helps them protect each other from predators and also preserves depleting food resources.
Apes form groups and these groups belong to one of the following six; single female and her offspring, monogamous family group, one-male-several-female group, group with several males and females, polyandrous family group and fission-fusion society.

http://m.youtube.com/index...

[Langoliers]

Jumper The Wise wrote:

<quoted text>Ah ha!
There in lies the point of Atheisim.

I see

[Langoliers]

madscot wrote:

<quoted text>Prove it

Unprove it.

[Langoliers]

madscot wrote:

<quoted text>Sorry, anectdotes don't prove anything.

They are Very fitting for your post that prove nothing.

[Langoliers]

Thinking wrote:

<quoted text>Bollocks.

Rather obsessed with those, must not have any of your own.

[Langoliers]

Givemeliberty wrote:

<quoted text>Darwin, evolution an atheism have nothing to do with each other.

Wow you retards really can't do any better can you?

Talking of retards read this!!!!

This guy is as dumb as they get!!!!!

"Givemeliberty wrote:

I am especially proud of my volunteer work and donations to the humanist cause. Every year I go to the Philippines and spend thousands on food,water, clothing and medicine for the needy there. After a horrific typhoon and flooding there I was there amongst others 14 hours a day handing out supplies, giving life saving injections and treatments to those who lost their home. I stood and watched as homeless children lined up easily 3 miles deep for a package of crackers sandwich fruit and bottle of water. Unwanted children who were born because the Christian ran theocracy light government makes it nearly impossible for a woman to obtain birth control. My wife is in pre-med classes and wants to practice medicine there free to help those poor children. Here in the states I collect donations for running in marathons with the money going to children's charities and cancer or HIV awareness programs.
I have seen first hand time and time again the damage and heart breaking situations brought on by theists. The same theists who come crawling to us to help fix their mess! Oh but while we are fixing it are we thanked? Nope. We barely get the figurative broom in hand and they are shrieking at us for not believing in their imaginary friend.
Honor? I guess it is a relative term. The dozen of urban low income students I assist for free with their biology and pharmaceutical homework at two different colleges locally would probably say good ole KJ is an alright dude.
Now if coming on topix and giving the theists a little taste of backbone, the theists who try to intimidate and silence non believers because they think we should all be meek and humble and tolerate their abuse and repeated logical fallacies makes me vile, Without reason, Disrespectful, In someone's opinion? So be it, hmmm I will chuckle about how vile And disrespectful I am Friday at U of L for the 6 hours I am assisting the students there as a volunteer. Or perhaps this summer as I am passing out thousands of dollars worth of free medicine and other essentials trying to save some more homeless from dying. Yes I was walking by a group of people there and they were huddled together praying loudly and crying. I looked in and a young girl was on the ground dying of dehydration. Instead of getting her water and rushing her to the hospital they stood there holding hands and praying! I grabbed my cell phone and called for an ambulance and started trying to get her to drink. Slowly she sipped the water as the praying continued. The ambulance came after almost an hour and reluctantly took her to the hospital, the paramedic said she was good as dead and best leave it in the hands of Jesus same thing the crowd thought. She died 18 hours later. They didn't even know her name and couldn't figure it out.
I guess I'll somehow deal with being called disrespectful.
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"I semi-retired except for collecting and inspecting my rental properties. I live comfortably off my stock dividends, porn sites I own, early retirement from work and rental properties here in the states and in the Philippines. "

OMG. It's getting better all the time!!!

You're retired except for Porn and your wife is still in school!

Baaaaahaaaaaahaaaaa
Please stop!!!!

Lol BAAAAAHAAAAHAAAAA !!!!

Liberty wrote:
I am a 32 year old multi-racial man with a Johnson bigger than anyone in your family"

[Langoliers]

Thinking wrote:

<quoted text>Straw man.

Woman.