Why Atheism Will Replace Religion

Aug 27, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: News24

Please note that for this article "Atheism" also includes agnostics, deists, pagans, wiccans... in other words non-religious.

You will notice this is a statement of fact. And to be fact it is supported by evidence (see references below). Now you can have "faith" that this is not true, but by the very definition of faith, that is just wishful thinking.

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Islam does not teach that you blow your children to kill innocent men, women and children.
Those doing it, might be psychopath, but they are not following teachings of Islam.
How killing innocent people be an honor in Islam? It is regarded as One of Biggest of the Big sins.
May be you got your wires cross wired (as you do most often)
You don't have any morals - you're not able to tell the truth that god isn't real. What serious conversation can you hope to have here?

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<quoted text>Do you not understand appeal to authority logical fallacy? Are you seriously this stupid?

Surely you idiots can do better!
Funny, your wife is a theist and you are calling her stupid.

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Funny, your wife is a theist and you are calling her stupid.
Wife insults is all you've got. It's not like you're going to magic proof of god out of a hat suddenly are you?

Most people f*ck off after losing an argument, but you are content to bask in the resulting shame and embarrassment of making an asshat of yourself.

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01. You are right, animals kill for food and survival. But humans are not animals, they do not kill other humans for "food or survival".
They kill and enslave and plan to kill and torture other humans and nations and groups which "no Animal might have ever imagined".
For animals there is no question of morality because they kill to survive.
It is humans who have the question of morality to answer for their actions.
Religions impact on society is never immoral or violent or divisive….however there have been many people who "use the name of religion" to further their own desires and their vanities.
No religion is to be blamed for these acts.
02. You are right, atheist are "free thinkers" and any thing "free" swings from one extreme to another extreme.
So we find Atheists of one age or one nation having views which are totally opposite to the views of atheists of another nation.
Since they lack any other source of information, other than their own minds, so they keep on making "experiments"
And that has landed us on the "necessity" to treat Sodomites and Lesbians like "equals" to propagate nudity, free sex and use of gambling, alcohol and narcotics.
Atheists would turn this world into a "free" world no doubt and that might be early end to human civilization.
03. You are free to make your view about religion. My job is to present the truth as best as I can and leave the rest to our Creator.
Well then ... we've pretty much established that the preponderance of Humanity "benefits" from the influence of one religion or another. It is from religion that we "must" derive a moral compass, else we would simply not know right from wrong. Yet, in your own words humans "kill and enslave and plan to kill and torture other humans and nations and groups which "no Animal might have ever imagined". Is it not then clear that religion (pick one) has failed us? How can you not see that the various religions, as they compete for the hearts and minds of humanity (and ultimately, world domination) as THE driving force behind virtually all Human conflict?? Is it not in this constant conflict that Mankind has squandered it's treasure, poisoned our planet, ground our people and our greatest civilizations to dust? Are we not engaged in this madness even today, at this very moment?

Religion (pick one) is the most vile, most destructive, most counter-productive construct of the Human mind ... ever. Even so, you people, you Religionists wave your holy books, feebly thump your empty chests, pat each other on the back and support each others delusions and for what? Your Heavenly reward of course. Your assurance from your religion (pick one) that you've done all the right stuff, murmured all the proper prayers, dressed right, stood right, bowed right, banged your empty little heads right and now you've earned yourself a spot in some kind of eternal Paradise. Congratulations.

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Why are we psychopath?
We deliver the message of truth to people and are ready to answer their doubts and questions.
But if they continue to reject the truth, who is to blame?
If they choose to fall from a high cliff, why the creator of cliff is Psychopath? No one forced them to fall from that cliff.
They chose to fall from the cliff and they should face the consequences.
What type of reverse logic is yours?
Do you mean to say that we should say "come, come, take a good view from this cliff, fall if you want, nothing will happen to you?
How illogical and psychopath YOU people sound!!
You are insane. But ... do not despair! You are far from alone.

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<quoted text>Wife insults is all you've got. It's not like you're going to magic proof of god out of a hat suddenly are you?

Most people f*ck off after losing an argument, but you are content to bask in the resulting shame and embarrassment of making an asshat of yourself.
Losing an argument by your terms doesn't mean I did. First of all what argument did I bring to this forum?
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..Do you mean to say that we should say "come, come, take a good view from this cliff, fall if you want, nothing will happen to you?
How illogical and psychopath YOU people sound!!
The problem I have is that I was brought up a Christian. They teach a whole different bunch of stuff.

According to them anyone not believing in Jesus as saviour will go straight to hell. Except if you have no heard the gospel in which case you may be judged differently based on ignorance.

Now hell fire is not some symoblic teaching. It is literal fire and perpetual agony. The Bible teaches that God is a devouring fire and those damned sould will be standing in torturing fire. The fire will completely engulf them top, bottom, left, right.

I shall not try to reconcile this with a loving God for you, I'll let you figure that out ;)

Now I rejected this belief system as insane. But you come along and tell me, "you got it all wrong. You have to believe in Muhammed instead, ignore the stuff about him being married to a 6 year old. And if you believe in his teaching, then you will go to heaven and avoid hellfire."

So who am I to believe? Both sound pretty far fetched imho. Wouldnt it make more sense that we just believe whatever our upbringing tells us. Even if this is silly mtyhs, and some teaching which seems like a psychopathic god and not a loving one. Kids just accept whatever religion is taught them, as they are unable to filter out what is believable and what is not. They just accept any ol nonsense they are taught to believe.

Thought a longer post for a change would explain this better.
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typo - damned > souls < will be standing in torturing fire.

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Well then ... we've pretty much established that the preponderance of Humanity "benefits" from the influence of one religion or another. It is from religion that we "must" derive a moral compass, else we would simply not know right from wrong. Yet, in your own words humans "kill and enslave and plan to kill and torture other humans and nations and groups which "no Animal might have ever imagined". Is it not then clear that religion (pick one) has failed us? How can you not see that the various religions, as they compete for the hearts and minds of humanity (and ultimately, world domination) as THE driving force behind virtually all Human conflict?? Is it not in this constant conflict that Mankind has squandered it's treasure, poisoned our planet, ground our people and our greatest civilizations to dust? Are we not engaged in this madness even today, at this very moment?
Religion (pick one) is the most vile, most destructive, most counter-productive construct of the Human mind ... ever. Even so, you people, you Religionists wave your holy books, feebly thump your empty chests, pat each other on the back and support each others delusions and for what? Your Heavenly reward of course. Your assurance from your religion (pick one) that you've done all the right stuff, murmured all the proper prayers, dressed right, stood right, bowed right, banged your empty little heads right and now you've earned yourself a spot in some kind of eternal Paradise. Congratulations.
Why doesn't anyone criticize religious belief using school, hospitals, adoption agencies, children's relief organizations, food banks, etc. "Those evil Christians (or Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Etc.), with all their hospitals, schools, universities, food distribution networks, clothing giveaways, charities.....always trying to subvert humanity, if only they'd just go away, mankind would be so much better off". As we all know man kind without religion would thus be able to return to the "better angels of our nature".

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Why doesn't anyone criticize religious belief using school, hospitals, adoption agencies, children's relief organizations, food banks, etc. "Those evil Christians (or Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Etc.), with all their hospitals, schools, universities, food distribution networks, clothing giveaways, charities.....always trying to subvert humanity, if only they'd just go away, mankind would be so much better off". As we all know man kind without religion would thus be able to return to the "better angels of our nature".
Those institutions are created to help religion implant (infiltrate?) itself within a society. They do "good", true enough, but only by virtue of the qualities of the people working within them. Humans are, by nature, compassionate and altruistic and such places would still exist without the fairy tales. Certainly schools, run by a church, are ill-disguised religious indoctrination centers. Hospitals and relief organizations use their religious affiliations to inspire confidence (read 'con' as in 'conman' if you like) and their motives may not be all that peachy. There's big bucks involved in all that stuff and you know what the good book says about the love of money. In any case, it's business, big business and no more worthy of being waved around as examples of VIRTUE than Enron or Shell Oil.
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If atheism were a significant risk factor for suicide, I suspect that the CDC would list it as such on this page:
http://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/suicide...
or at least list religious faith as a protective factor.
The CDC not mentioning something is hardly proof of anything..

The argument is simply that it is a confirmed truth that the non-religious and atheists kill themselves at much greater percentages than believers do.

This is established fact and even a little internet research will confirm it.

You and others look defensive and immune to fact when you try and deny it..
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This in not a sample of the population at large. The starting set of people met,” DSM-III-R criteria for a current major depressive episode…” Your starting group is a small sub set of very depressed people. This type of diagnosis requires human interpretation and is subject to unintentional bias. Additionally, this is not a blind study (forget double blind)– that is the people collecting the data knew which person gave which answers. Another problem is that the some of the data is self reported. People are poor at giving self reported data. I imagine this could be worse if your are very depressed. I also could not find in the study how they decided who did or did not have a “religious affiliation”. These are all huge problems for this study.
In this sub group there is a material variation in personal networks (which could affect suicide rates – again – no control is provided)“Religiously affiliated subjects reported a more family-oriented social network, reflected in more time spent with first-degree relatives.”
I loved this little gem –“Therefore, it is possible that depressed patients who stated that they were atheists or had no religion had abandoned religion as a consequence of depression or hopelessness.”
So… When you are really depressed you may claim to not care about religion – DUH! When really depressed you are likely to not care about a lot of things.
http://www.skepticmoney.com/religious-affilia...
You have sure gone through a lot of trouble to try and refute a single study. Unfortunetly for you the fact that atheists commit suicide at a greater rate than believers is established fact proven through multiple large and small scale studies.

I could list a number of these studies for you.,.. There not all availiable on the internet..

Butg the larger question seems to be ..why so defensive in the face of established facts?

You would look better to simply accept this...becuase its not like your capable of explaining away an accepted fact.
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As humanity learns and educates itself we put aside religion and old myths.
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....and we find emptiness.

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....and we find emptiness.
There's nothing wrong with "emptiness" as long as there is really nothing there. Interestingly, we have not yet found any part of space time that is truly empty.

As for "religion" ... that's for infantile minds who prefer absurdity to uncertainty.

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There's nothing wrong with "emptiness" as long as there is really nothing there. Interestingly, we have not yet found any part of space time that is truly empty.
As for "religion" ... that's for infantile minds who prefer absurdity to uncertainty.
Thank you for that wisdom.... oh Wise and Wonderful Wizard of Oogah Boogah. Thank God we infantile minds have you to guide us.

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Thank you for that wisdom.... oh Wise and Wonderful Wizard of Oogah Boogah. Thank God we infantile minds have you to guide us.
Snicker away, monkey boy!!!

General Characteristics Of Apes
Morphological characteristics

The orbits of apes’ eyes are encircled with bone.
Apes have forward-facing eyes that provide them a binocular vision, allowing them to perceive depth.
They have flattened snouts and noses. They lack whiskers.
Unlike other species of monkeys, apes do not have hairy faces.
Their ears are relatively small and hairless.
Apes have long arms, which is an adaptation for their arboreal life. They use their long arms to brachiate through trees.
Apes have five digits on all limbs.
Apes can balance themselves in bipedal pose and walk considerable distances in this manner.
Opposable thumb aids them in holding things (power gripping) and picking up small objects (precision gripping).
Apes have flattened nails that aid in fingertip protection. They have sensitive tactile pads on digits.
Dentition of apes is adapted for opportunistic, omnivorous diet.

Anatomical Characteristics

Apes have one upper and two lower bones on each limb.
They have the most mobile shoulders among all mammals and this is due to the dorsal position of scapula, the shoulder bone.
The ribs of apes are flatter front-to-back which makes their rib cages broader.
Their brain is larger than the normal body-brain ratio; this shows high level of intelligence.
Apes show progressive expansion of brain cells, especially the cerebral cortex region.
They have a less mobile spine as compared to monkeys.
Apes do not have tails; their tail vertebrae are greatly reduced.
The top of apes’ heads, cranium, are large and dome shaped.

Physiological Characteristics

Apes regulate their body temperature internally (endothermy).
The dietary habits of apes show great variation among different species. While gorillas are foliovorous (feeding of leaves), other species are primarily frugivorous (feeding on fruits), however, chimpanzees may hunt sometimes for meat. Foraging behaviors are correspondingly variable among various species.
Apes have many physiological adaptations in the gut, including anatomical specializations of stomach, caecum and colon. They are adapted to digest food high in structural carbohydrates (&#64257;ber) and can detoxify secondary compounds from plants.
Apes rely on vision rather than smell. This is because they have good vision while their olfactory senses are not as developed.
Primates have color vision.

Reproduction And Parenting

Primates exhibit sexual dimorphism i.e., phenotypically different males and females.
Males have pendulous penis and scrotal testis.
Females have two well-developed pectoral mammary glands.
Apes have a long gestation period which differs from one species to another.
Apes, like humans, have reduced litter size, usually one youngling per litter. This enables them to provide better parenting.
Apes feed their young ones with breast milk, secreted from mammary glands.
Apes show attachment parenting. The young ones remain attached to either of their parents for the first few years after birth. This helps the young ones to learn the complex structure of their society.

Social Characteristics

Primates are largely social animals with complex social structure. Social life helps them protect each other from predators and also preserves depleting food resources.
Apes form groups and these groups belong to one of the following six; single female and her offspring, monogamous family group, one-male-several-female group, group with several males and females, polyandrous family group and fission-fusion society.

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sickofit = "As humanity learns and educates itself we put aside religion and old myths"

always learning and never able to arrive at a knowledge of the truth .......... 2 Timothy 3:7

The fear (awesome respect) of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge; fools despise wisdom and instruction .......... Proverbs 1:7

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sickofit = "As humanity learns and educates itself we put aside religion and old myths"
always learning and never able to arrive at a knowledge of the truth .......... 2 Timothy 3:7
The fear (awesome respect) of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge; fools despise wisdom and instruction .......... Proverbs 1:7
1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.

In other words, Paul is telling believers to pay no attention to the man behind the curtains and keep believing his BS
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There's nothing wrong with "emptiness" as long as there is really nothing there. Interestingly, we have not yet found any part of space time that is truly empty.
As for "religion" ... that's for infantile minds who prefer absurdity to uncertainty.
Check you shorts.Then we'll talk about what is truly 'empty'

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