Why Atheism Will Replace Religion

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Please note that for this article "Atheism" also includes agnostics, deists, pagans, wiccans... in other words non-religious.

You will notice this is a statement of fact. And to be fact it is supported by evidence (see references below). Now you can have "faith" that this is not true, but by the very definition of faith, that is just wishful thinking. Full Story

“Israel for Ever and Ever”

Since: Nov 08

Right Here with my feet up

#479 Dec 5, 2012
NightSerf wrote:
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That's why religion probably won't replace religion in the foreseeable future.


I fully agree the religions of Atheism, Darwinism, Evolutionism, Wiccans in other words the pagan religions will never replace traditions religions, Keep an eye out for the muslims, all is not as it seems.
Thinking

UK

#480 Dec 5, 2012
Try that again in English.
Colin The Zionist wrote:
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Just the type of response I would expect, ill-informed, un-informative, negative, just plain stupid.
You cant even count the score on such a simple tag team match says a lot for your lack of abilities.

“Israel for Ever and Ever”

Since: Nov 08

Right Here with my feet up

#481 Dec 5, 2012
Thinking wrote:
Try that again in English.
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That proves it 100%(unlike the un-proven theory of evolution) you simply cannot read, now that I know that for sure things are far more obvious.

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#482 Dec 5, 2012
NightSerf wrote:
So here's a radical idea: let's discuss the original topic of this tread. We often move on to other lines of though after the original one has been exhausted, but I don't think that's true in this case.
Many topics whose descriptions begin with the word "Why" either present or look for explanations for phenomena that haven't been demonstrated--call it the fallacy of the leading question, if you will. So the first question to examine is whether atheism will replace religion at all.
I don't think that it will within my lifetime. Perhaps it won't happen at all. The pattern over the course of what little recorded history I've been able to absorb is that, while the nature and intensity of societal religion varies wildly over time, societies tend to share common religious beliefs. Modern times are different in that unprecedented rates of immigration have created societies comprised of multiple religious subpopulations, but the world's societies are still overwhelmingly religious except where multigenerational oppression has driven religion far underground.
Some believe that increased levels of education will erode religion down to nothingness, but recent statistics are showing that as college educations become more commonplace, the degreed populations become less agnostic/atheistic. I think this may be because the nature of college studies are changing along with that trend, with more focus on the acquisition of technical skills and knowledge and less on such elements of a classical education. We are beginning to see this at the high school levels now as reading standards are focusing on technical nonfiction at the expense of more traditional literature.
Contrary to what might be intuitive for some, I think that shift in focus lessens the degree of introspection that brings about shifts in outlooks and beliefs, and could actually leave the kind of societal intellectual vacuum that engenders a resurgence of religion rather than a continuation of its erosion. Only an educational philosophy that encourages fearless introspection with an emphasis on skeptical logical analysis would continue that trend in the college educated subpopulation. Continued shift in focus to technical expertise erodes that aspect of advanced education.
I used to be endlessly amused by President Eisenhower's shock when he was informed that full one half of the U.S. population was of below average education. Now I feel obligated to point out that the statistic will remain true even if more than 50% of the population attains higher education and that that 50% will remain tenaciously religious for a very long time.
That's why religion probably won't replace religion in the foreseeable future.
Oops... why atheism won't replace religion...(bad fingers, bad!)

“Israel for Ever and Ever”

Since: Nov 08

Right Here with my feet up

#483 Dec 5, 2012
NightSerf wrote:
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Oops... why atheism won't replace religion...(bad fingers, bad!)
Yea, I understand.

I am only wondering where all the critical comments are now that you made a typo.

“There are other issues.”

Since: May 09

Location hidden

#484 Dec 5, 2012
Thinking wrote:
<quoted text>Your two replies to my one post is a sure sign you're a dumbfuck.
Educational Barrier.

“Israel for Ever and Ever”

Since: Nov 08

Right Here with my feet up

#485 Dec 5, 2012
Educated What wrote:
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Educational Barrier.
"Thinking" has a rather large educational barrier, he just admitted to not being able to read English.
Jumper

Owensboro, KY

#486 Dec 5, 2012
'Oh when I found them together,I taught them the cold hard facts of life'

“Exercise Your Brain”

Since: Jun 07

Planet Earth

#487 Dec 5, 2012
Thinking wrote:
Sources?
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Ummm...source for what? If you are speaking of my post, there is no source, just my personal observation of Colin's behavior.

A source for his personality and traits would probably fall in the Class B Personality Disorders:
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/personality-...

If you mean sources which were the reason for my expressed opinion you could check post #402 and post #479.....and pretty much everything in between.

“Exercise Your Brain”

Since: Jun 07

Planet Earth

#488 Dec 5, 2012
Colin The Zionist wrote:
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Funny I can scientifically demonstrate gravity, I can reproduce its effects, I can redo all the test, on a continual basis and get consistent results. The same can be said for light, its properties and causes.
If you want to call this a theory, scientific or not, then you have a problem with the use of English. Now here is a interesting hypothesis, evolutionary scientific thought up the term scientific theory (as a theory that can or cannot be proven) so the theory of evolution fits into the box of science. In fact the unproven evolution theory is faith.
If the best you can do in science is a unproven theory then I really feel sorry for the evolution tag team both here are worldwide, no wonder the world of science is in such a mess.
Here's some help for your fractured English especially in scientific matters:

"A HYPOTHESIS attempts to answer questions by putting forth a plausible explanation that has yet to be rigorously tested. A THEORY, on the other hand, has already undergone extensive testing by various scientists and is generally accepted as being an accurate explanation of an observation. This doesn’t mean the theory is correct; only that current testing has not yet been able to disprove it, and the evidence as it is understood, appears to support it.

A theory will often start out as a hypothesis -- an educated guess to explain observable phenomenon."

Try not to muck up the meaning.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#489 Dec 5, 2012
Colin The Zionist wrote:
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I can scientifically prove both (water and sunshine) can you do the same for the theory of evolution. If you can I would be more than happy to read it and possibly recant
It has been done to death for you, and you are as invested in not seeing truth as Muq is in knowing his prophet was doing good by screwing a little child.

Your god could slap you up side the head and tell you, and you wouldn't believe it, because you don't believe in your god any more than we do.

“Exercise Your Brain”

Since: Jun 07

Planet Earth

#490 Dec 5, 2012
NightSerf wrote:
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Oops... why atheism won't replace religion...(bad fingers, bad!)
I agree in a large part, but then atheists are usually the more educated portion of the population. Can you explain this disparity in a little more detail for me please?

Are you talking about college degrees on a more 'vocational' curriculum? More 'how to' manuals and less focus on critical thinking skill, perhaps.

Also, what about the field of Psychiatry....working with personality disorders on both the medical and therapeautic levels. Let's face it some people crave the crutch of religion.

I don't think mankind will ever abandon religion completely, the human condition is what it is....in all it's beautiful variaty.

I personally, would like to see the stigma removed from atheism and to see religion safely in the minority at the very least. We have enough problems with fundamentalists trying to control legislation, education and society's notions of morality.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#491 Dec 5, 2012
Colin The Zionist wrote:
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An atheist hold onto a glimmer of faith that there is no god, mainly because he/she does not want to be responsible for his/her own actions. As for the abookist we discussed he was trying to disprove the existence of all books just the one he did not hold dear.
Sorry you lost me there what is a Ju-Ju man perhaps some evolutionist god, not too sure on that one.
The "A" means without, minus, having none. It does not mean, does not believe in whatever is following the "A"!
The atheist is not trying to prove there are no theist,
Now I realize that to you, your Ju-Ju man's (priest, witch doctor, etc.)(completely unfounded)beliefs on who I am are more valid than my beliefs on who I am, but this is the way it is ... the atheist is not theist. Nothing more!

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#492 Dec 6, 2012
Colin The Zionist wrote:
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If you studied it for decades I really feel sorry for you, you must have been taught so many lies. And yes by now I can understand why you have a fear of theology.
AH yes here comes the put downs and attempts to belittle me, why am I not surprised a classic move, but one deemed to fail.
Studying does not mean being taught, any more than being without theism, means being a non-believer.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#493 Dec 6, 2012
Colin The Zionist wrote:
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What you getting tired again what a pity, yes drug resistance is the natural design feature all organisms have to adapt the their surroundings. Personally I don't need repeated flu jabs because I was not stupid enough to let them start poisoning me the first time, funny how your drug resistant bugs don't seem to be able to harm me a created being. Perhaps it is an evolution thing.
Adaptation is change. Change over long periods of time is evolution.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#494 Dec 6, 2012
Colin The Zionist wrote:
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What you mean Edgar Allan Poe, No I don't really go for Poe I am more a Shakespeare or Dickens man.
Most def, a poe.
Thinking

UK

#495 Dec 6, 2012
You're desperate.
Colin The Zionist wrote:
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That proves it 100%(unlike the un-proven theory of evolution) you simply cannot read, now that I know that for sure things are far more obvious.
Thinking

UK

#496 Dec 6, 2012
Where?
Colin The Zionist wrote:
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"Thinking" has a rather large educational barrier, he just admitted to not being able to read English.
Thinking

UK

#497 Dec 6, 2012
Colon writes a lot, but his broken English is not improving much.
albtraum wrote:
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Ummm...source for what? If you are speaking of my post, there is no source, just my personal observation of Colin's behavior.
A source for his personality and traits would probably fall in the Class B Personality Disorders:
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/personality-...
If you mean sources which were the reason for my expressed opinion you could check post #402 and post #479.....and pretty much everything in between.

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#498 Dec 6, 2012
albtraum wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree in a large part, but then atheists are usually the more educated portion of the population. Can you explain this disparity in a little more detail for me please?
Are you talking about college degrees on a more 'vocational' curriculum? More 'how to' manuals and less focus on critical thinking skill, perhaps.
Also, what about the field of Psychiatry....working with personality disorders on both the medical and therapeautic levels. Let's face it some people crave the crutch of religion.
I don't think mankind will ever abandon religion completely, the human condition is what it is....in all it's beautiful variaty.
I personally, would like to see the stigma removed from atheism and to see religion safely in the minority at the very least. We have enough problems with fundamentalists trying to control legislation, education and society's notions of morality.
The number of colleges and universities has grown enormously over the last 50 years. When there were fewer colleges, the competition for placement was more intense. Some were accepted on the basis of family connections, money, and influence, but the bulk of admissions were based on SAT scores and academic accomplishment. College graduates were the intellectual cream of the crop.

All that has changed. Now colleges compete for students at least as much as students compete to get in, and there are paths into college even for mediocre students with below average test scores and less demanding programs for them to choose from. Each class still contains truly advanced thinkers--that hasn't changed. But they are more than balanced by graduates with less aptitude who have not been subjected to the rigors of the more traditional--or more innovative--college programs. Thus we have college graduates whose grasp of such essentials as logic, statistics, literature, philosophy and culture are barely above that of the better high school graduates.

In addition, there is a cadre of students who enter college programs only as a means to the end of becoming effective culture warriors, and there are colleges and universities designed with them in mind. Bob Jones University and Liberty University are probably the best known, but there is a host of small colleges and "universities" that are unaccredited and pander to the religious right.

Statistics from both the Pew Forum and ARIS indicate that the incidence of secularism among the well-educated is waning. At the same time, secularism itself is on the rise and the well-educated account for much of that change. This is possible only because the degreed population is growing as a percentage of the general population.

"Between 15% and 19% of members of all educational groups say they are unaffiliated with any particular religion. But among the most well-educated groups, the unaffiliated tend to be more secular than among the less well-educated. For example, among those with less than a high school degree, more than half of the unaffiliated (9% of all those with this level of education) are in the religious unaffiliated,” category, while a much smaller number (2% of those with this level of education) describe themselves as either atheist or agnostic. By contrast, among those with a post-graduate education, less than one-sixth of the unaffiliated population (3% of all those with this level of education) are “religious unaffiliated,” while many more describe themselves as either atheist or agnostic (8%)." - Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life / U.S. Religious Landscape Survey

In a nutshell, the well-educated are not as well educated as they used to be.

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