Why Atheism Will Replace Religion

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Please note that for this article "Atheism" also includes agnostics, deists, pagans, wiccans... in other words non-religious.

You will notice this is a statement of fact. And to be fact it is supported by evidence (see references below). Now you can have "faith" that this is not true, but by the very definition of faith, that is just wishful thinking. Full Story
Fitz

Roseville, MI

#4160 Jan 22, 2013
Ooogah Boogah wrote:
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The Church locked up Galileo and threatened to further prosecute him for crimes of heresy if he continued teaching his Heliocentric "nonsense". This is how the Church "supported" scientific advancement.
The Galilieo affair is the most often demegouged by anti-religious bigots, and one that often reveals the profound ignorance of the dispute itself and how Galileo (a devout Catholic through-out his life and through-out the affair) could not prove the validity the reigning Copernicun theisis sceintifically..

Example of the context of the dispute.

"I say that if there were a true demonstration that the sun was in the center of the universe and the earth in the third sphere, and that the sun did not go around the earth but the earth went around the sun, then it would be necessary to use careful consideration in explaining the Scriptures that seemed contrary, and we should rather have to say that we do not understand them than to say that something is false which had been proven."1

1. Letter of Cardinal Bellarmine discussing the Galillo affair.

"There can be no doubt that Galileo's theory of the tides was based on unconscious deception; but ... there can also be little doubt that the sunspot argument was a deliberate attempt to confuse and mislead ... We have seen that scholars have always been prone to manias and obsessions, and inclined to cheat about details; but impostures like Galileo's are rare in the annals of science."2.

2-Arthur Koestler, The Sleepwalkers (New York: Macmillan, 1959), p. 47

Those who want to paint the Church as "anti-science" have little to stand on and know little of the complexity in the Galileo affair. It is also telling that it is the only example than can point to in their claim that the Church supressed science rather than the truth that the Church was a leader in the development and practice of science.

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#4161 Jan 22, 2013
albtraum wrote:
<quoted text>You are having a problem grasping the basic concepts.

A small town has been found. Yes.

Is it the 'old' Nazareth (of biblical lore)? Maybe, maybe not.

Does it prove that a man named Jesus was born there? No.

That's about all there is to it.
Nazareth was a small kind of backwards little town. Would this type of town catch much attention from historian writers? Nope. There is enough evidence for historian of today to accept the fact that Nazareth did exist at the time of Jesus.

As far as you not believing Jesus was a real person. I can't begin to list all the evidence but I doubt if I did it would make any difference. You are loaded down with all your other beliefs.

Big Bang (not Bag):)
1) when nothing exploded creating everything.
2) when a spinning (or not spinning) singularity exploded creating everything.
3) a bouncing universe

Spontaneous life
1) life coming from rain falling on rocks

Evolution
1) a speck of spontaneous life from wet rocks the ancestor of every plant and animal life that ever lived.
2) that mankind is just an animal nothing more
3) that morality only evolved in one animal ( man )
4) that because human chromosome number 2 is fused and no other member of the ape family has it proves we are apes.?????(Really?)

Since: Apr 12

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#4162 Jan 22, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
<quoted text>Another self appointed Moderator.

He is soo important!

Just ask Him :-)
Liberty is a nut job, pay him no heed.
Fitz

Roseville, MI

#4163 Jan 22, 2013
Ooogah Boogah wrote:
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Bull Crud .... Christian apologist's denial bull crap. Most recently published in Rodney Starks The Victory of Reason and debunked in
The Tragedy of Theology: How Religion Caused and Extended the Dark Ages
http://www.theobjectivestandard.com/issues/20...
REALLY!! Christians want us to forget the first thing they did out of the gate was to butcher the most prominent Librarian of the time (Hypatia of Alexandria) and burn the library.
The facts presented to you concerning religious scientific discovery and involvment in nurturing scientific thought and the scientific revolution are widley held matters of fact.

Your contention that it was Christians who burned the Library at Alexandria on the other hand is pure speculation with no supporting evidence and is not widley held or supoorted.

Please dont support your contentions by pointing to anti-religious bigotry and works considered marginal.

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#4164 Jan 22, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Evolution is a fact. I already explained this to you and already produced scientific writing that declared it a fact and scientists who agree with that, as per your request.
I see you have failed to present one single biological science paper using creationism as theory or even as hypothesis.
That is not surprising since creationism is religious belief - nonsensical, harmful religious belief in this case - and has nothing whatsoever to do with science.
Again you have demonstrated gross ignorance with respect to science in claiming that "creationism is a factual framework." To repeat: theoretical frameworks provide overarching explanations for phenomena. From them we can draw testable, disprovable hypotheses.
Creationism is utterly unable to do that. It does not provide an explanatory framework for all biological phenomena - it's totally worthless, which is why science tossed it out 160 years ago. Creationism has led to nothing but ignorance and lining the pockets of religious leaders - thanks to dupes like yourself who willfully keep yourselves ignorant.
Evolution is on fact to a certain extent..its only fact on a very small scale.
Darwin finches are a perfect example.
They may be different but they were still finches .

Many of the finches bread with eachother producing different types of finches.

Since: Apr 12

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#4165 Jan 22, 2013
Rose_NoHo wrote:
<quoted text>No, it shows that' what they believed. Doesn't mean it's true.
Nope sorry you missed out.
I have a creator I get the inalienable rights.

You don't have a creator you don't get those rights. You are just an animal the same as a rat or mouse. No rights.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. "

"endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights"
This statement in The Declaration of Independence shows that we get unalienable Rights because we have a creator. You don't get them because you have no creator.

Since: Apr 12

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#4166 Jan 22, 2013
Jumper wrote:
Well...they had a good run.But change is in the wind.
What? You broke wind?

“There is no Truth in Faith”

Since: Dec 08

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#4167 Jan 22, 2013
Fitz wrote:
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The Galilieo affair is the most often demegouged by anti-religious bigots, and one that often reveals the profound ignorance of the dispute itself and how Galileo (a devout Catholic through-out his life and through-out the affair) could not prove the validity the reigning Copernicun theisis sceintifically..
Example of the context of the dispute.
"I say that if there were a true demonstration that the sun was in the center of the universe and the earth in the third sphere, and that the sun did not go around the earth but the earth went around the sun, then it would be necessary to use careful consideration in explaining the Scriptures that seemed contrary, and we should rather have to say that we do not understand them than to say that something is false which had been proven."1
1. Letter of Cardinal Bellarmine discussing the Galillo affair.
"There can be no doubt that Galileo's theory of the tides was based on unconscious deception; but ... there can also be little doubt that the sunspot argument was a deliberate attempt to confuse and mislead ... We have seen that scholars have always been prone to manias and obsessions, and inclined to cheat about details; but impostures like Galileo's are rare in the annals of science."2.
2-Arthur Koestler, The Sleepwalkers (New York: Macmillan, 1959), p. 47
Those who want to paint the Church as "anti-science" have little to stand on and know little of the complexity in the Galileo affair. It is also telling that it is the only example than can point to in their claim that the Church supressed science rather than the truth that the Church was a leader in the development and practice of science.
Actually, you've done a good job of illustrating how these fictional scriptures were used to hinder scientific investigation. There is no complexity about it. The religiously blinded would accept "scripture" as fact and deny any scientific observation that appeared to contradict it.

“There is no Truth in Faith”

Since: Dec 08

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#4168 Jan 22, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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And there is this.
"All new atheist population around the world!
"Atheism losing adherents in terms of the global population
The 2004 to 2007 publicity campaign for atheism in the Western World was not sustainable. The level of public interest in atheism is not coming back in the West and global atheism is shrinking.
See also: Global atheism and American atheism and Atheist Population and Resources for leaving atheism and becoming a Christian
In 2012, Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary reported that globally every day there are 800 less atheists per day, 1,100 less non-religious (agnostic) people per day and 83,000 more people professing to be Christians per day.
In 2011, the American Spectator citing research published in the International Bulletin of Missionary Research reported that atheism is on the decline as a whole in terms of adherents .
The American Spectator declared:
The report estimates about 80,000 new Christians every day, 79,000 new Muslims every day, and 300 fewer atheists every day. These atheists are presumably disproportionately represented in the West, while religion is thriving in the Global South, where charismatic Christianity is exploding.
In 2009, the book A sceptics guide to atheism indicated: "A worldwide poll taken in 1991 put the global figure for atheists at just 4.4% of the population. By 2006 it was estimated that only 2% of the world population were atheists."
In 2012 an article entitled Atheism in decline by Nigel Tomes declared:
The IBMR publishes yearly figures for religions (and non religions) around the globe. Their latest numbers, hot off the press (Jan. 2012) show some interesting trends.
Atheism is in Decline
In 1970 atheists (those avowing there is no God) numbered 166 million worldwide; that was almost one-in-twenty 4.5% of the global population. By 2012 atheists number is estimated at 137 million. Thats a decline of almost 30 million. Since world population is growing, atheists share declined to less than one-in-fifty under 2% in 2012. Put differently, every 24 hours there are 800 fewer atheists in the world!
Atheism is in decline.
Agnosticism is in Decline
In 2000 agnostics (those who don't know if there is a God) numbered 666 million, 10.9% of the worlds people. By 2012 agnostic number is estimated at 661 million--a decline of 5 million. In relative terms by 2012 agnostics represent less than one tenth (9.4%) of world population. Every 24 hours there are 1,100 less agnostics in the world. Agnostics are also in decline.
Added together these two groups make up a declining share of global population. In 1970 atheists and agnostics accounted for one-in-five (19.2%) of the worlds people. Based on current trends by 2025 they will represent less than one-in-ten (9.7%). Their population share will fall by half in 50+ years."
http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism
"In 2012, Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary reported that globally every day there are 800 less atheists per day, 1,100 less non-religious (agnostic) people per day and 83,000 more people professing to be Christians per day.?

And you don't think they would have a vested interest in convincing people Atheism is shrinking regardless of the facts??

You really are pretty simple minded, aren't you?

“There is no Truth in Faith”

Since: Dec 08

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#4169 Jan 22, 2013
Yellowknightmare wrote:
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Evolution is on fact to a certain extent..its only fact on a very small scale.
Darwin finches are a perfect example.
They may be different but they were still finches .
Many of the finches bread with eachother producing different types of finches.
Tens of thousands of Christian Clergy accept Evolution as fact. You should too. But you won't, you aren't smart enough.
Fitz

Roseville, MI

#4170 Jan 22, 2013
Ooogah Boogah wrote:
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Actually, you've done a good job of illustrating how these fictional scriptures were used to hinder scientific investigation. There is no complexity about it. The religiously blinded would accept "scripture" as fact and deny any scientific observation that appeared to contradict it.
How you got that from the quotes provided is beyond me.Perhaps it is an example of how your blind anti-religious bigotry leads you to interpret thingsthat fit your prejudice dismissing complexity and sophisication. The Cardinal was refrencing how when facts derived from scientific investigation were contrary to a scriptural interpretation then there must be a problem with the interpretation.

Further more you display a pronounced ignorance of your sunject matter..Few religious believers are scriptural literalists or fundementalists or new earth creationists.

Scripture is filled with alagory, methaphore, poetry, symbolism and the like. To intepret those pasages literally would be impossible and make their intended meaning lost on the reader.

“There is no Truth in Faith”

Since: Dec 08

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#4171 Jan 22, 2013
Fitz wrote:
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How you got that from the quotes provided is beyond me.Perhaps it is an example of how your blind anti-religious bigotry leads you to interpret thingsthat fit your prejudice dismissing complexity and sophisication. The Cardinal was refrencing how when facts derived from scientific investigation were contrary to a scriptural interpretation then there must be a problem with the interpretation.
Further more you display a pronounced ignorance of your sunject matter..Few religious believers are scriptural literalists or fundementalists or new earth creationists.
Scripture is filled with alagory, methaphore, poetry, symbolism and the like. To intepret those pasages literally would be impossible and make their intended meaning lost on the reader.
You really should read your own material .....

"I say that if there were a true demonstration that the sun was in the center of the universe and the earth in the third sphere, and that the sun did not go around the earth but the earth went around the sun, then it would be necessary to use careful consideration in explaining the Scriptures that seemed contrary, and we should rather have to say that we do not understand them than to say that something is false which had been proven."1

1. Letter of Cardinal Bellarmine discussing the Galillo affair."

Just how much time and effort should a scientist spend "tip-toeing" around the "Christian scriptures" or the "Bhagavad Gita" for that matter?
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#4172 Jan 22, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
It should say in reality we trust if anything there. I use my card everywhere I almost never have any currency on me.
..
And on your card it is written "In Darwin we trust"? Or "In Jews we Trust"?

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#4173 Jan 22, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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"Atheists and other free thinkers, believe in lots of different things."
be·lieve\bə-ˈlēv\
intransitive verb
1 a : to have a firm religious faith
Yes we know.
Religion is theism. The atheist has none. If he has, he is not an atheist.

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Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#4174 Jan 22, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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And on your card it is written "In Darwin we trust"? Or "In Jews we Trust"?
Name, expiration date, and card number. What planet are you from?

Since: Apr 12

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#4175 Jan 22, 2013
Ooogah Boogah wrote:
<quoted text>Tens of thousands of Christian Clergy accept Evolution as fact. You should too. But you won't, you aren't smart enough.
A Christian has the following options:
To assume that Genesis 1-9 is allegory, myth or poetry not to be taken literally. But if so, what do we do with the rest of the Bible? Why stop there?
To hold on to both creation and evolution and try to reconcile the two. This state is unstable and readily leads to liberalism.
To ignore the Old Testament and make an existential leap to a shallow believism.
To accept that “by faith we understand that the worlds were made by the word of God”(Hebrews 11:3). Only in this, the Scriptural way, do we find release from the tensions of the conflict.
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#4176 Jan 22, 2013
Yellowknightmare wrote:
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Evolution is on fact to a certain extent..its only fact on a very small scale.
Darwin finches are a perfect example.
They may be different but they were still finches .
Many of the finches bread with eachother producing different types of finches.
You speak the truth!!

What ever evolution we see is "local adjustment" and that is what we see in different humans living on different parts of the world.

They are all humans and despite nothing being in common between them , they share in much more than they differ.

The "idea" of evolution of one specie into another was a "brain wave" of Charles Darwin....which I am sorry to say "Scientific Community" took on a Scripture!!

They went on to "prove" evolution with as little info as one dot after missing millions of dots....you can connect the dots any way you like based on the available info.

To call this TOE as scientific is therefore an insult to Science as an institution.

I can see when scientists apologizing for being duped into supporting something as false and as fantastic as this Blind Theory of Evolution.

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#4177 Jan 22, 2013
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>Religion is theism. The atheist has none. If he has, he is not an atheist.
Why that's simply not true you know?

Adam wrote:
<quoted text>Atheists and other free thinkers, believe in lots of different things. Its just that the things they believe in are based in reality and not on myths and fantasy.
G
be·lieve\bə-ˈlēv\
intransitive verb
1 a : to have a firm religious faith

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Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#4178 Jan 23, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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Why that's simply not true you know?
Adam wrote:
<quoted text>Atheists and other free thinkers, believe in lots of different things. Its just that the things they believe in are based in reality and not on myths and fantasy.
G
be·lieve\bə-ˈlēv\
intransitive verb
1 a : to have a firm religious faith
Hey, whatever you do, don't take an atheist word for who an atheist is, and don't check a dictionary either. In fact, maybe you could make up something totally off the wall and try to get us to conform to it. You already know how to do that don't you?

The "a" gives the word it's meaning, the "a" means not, but you already know that.

Since: Mar 11

Louisville, KY

#4179 Jan 23, 2013
You can't list the historical proof for Jesus because there is none. Oh and an opinion by someone is not proof that Jesus existed. The bible clearly says Nazareth had a synagogue you claim it was a little backwards town so you are saying the bible is wrong yes?

Nazareth is interestingly enough less than one mile from where Josephus was born and raised. You can stand on a hill in Nazareth and see Joppa where Josephus was born and raised. Josephus wrote extensively about his home town and surrounding area. Somehow he missed the closest neighbor town. Oh wait that's right it didn't even exist at that time let alone in the first century.

Tell us again about Mary's well retard! I want to laugh at you again! Hurry and pray to your retarded god!:))
Langoliers wrote:
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Nazareth was a small kind of backwards little town. Would this type of town catch much attention from historian writers? Nope. There is enough evidence for historian of today to accept the fact that Nazareth did exist at the time of Jesus.
As far as you not believing Jesus was a real person. I can't begin to list all the evidence.

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