Why Atheism Will Replace Religion

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Please note that for this article "Atheism" also includes agnostics, deists, pagans, wiccans... in other words non-religious.

You will notice this is a statement of fact. And to be fact it is supported by evidence (see references below). Now you can have "faith" that this is not true, but by the very definition of faith, that is just wishful thinking. Full Story

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#3978 Jan 19, 2013
Religionthebiglie wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, he called himself a christian. Those were HIS words. Anything else is hearsay, and suspect. If you're going to use the "his actions say he wasn't", you can stop there. If all christians were judged as christian or not based on their behavior, there would be no christians.

What was his hatred of Jews based on if not christianity? Even on these threads, the xenophobia has been overwhelming. Why is it such a stretch that his religious views played a role in his actions?

And no, I'm not suggesting all christians are like Hitler, or even like some of the zealots who gravitate toward these threads. I can only hope it's it's a fringe minority.

Why all the red herrings about diet, smoking, and breathing oxygen? Surely you don't compare those to religious convictions. Are you denying that his religious convictions were tied in to his worldview?
"Hitler was a neo-pagan terrorist whose conscience was not informed by Christianity, but by pseudo-scientific racist philosophies. Hitler hated the Catholic Church, made plans to kill the Pope, authorized the murder of thousands of priests and nuns, and did everything he could to suppress the influence of the Church. In 1933, Hitler said,'It is through the peasantry that we shall really be able to destroy Christianity because there is in them a true religion rooted in nature and blood."

By your logic I can now call myself the smartest man that ever lived. And now the burden of proof is on you to disprove it.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#3979 Jan 19, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
<quoted text>
A university course dealing with World War II might cure your fantasy.
Stalin, an atheist murdered twenty million.
Bob Jones University, doesn't count. It's mission is to bring those fantasies into full bloom. Favorite fantasies of the staff are Delusion, Full Blown Delusion, Denial and Flat Out Denial. Reality and Truth, are dirty words in those hallowed halls.

Bob Jones will teach you that being a Georgian Orthodox child, will turn you into an atheist, and being an atheist will make you a Communist and a Socialist, along with being a power mad murderer, but it just don't happen often enough to set your watch by.

Any other university will teach you to trust your eyes, especially when historical document, eye witness testimony and pictorial evidence agree with what you are viewing.

"I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so" -- Adolf Hitler

http://www.nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#3980 Jan 19, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
<quoted text>
"you do want proof that evolution is not real, "
I all ready have that proof.
Thanks anyways.
No, you don't have that. You have Delusion, Full Blown Delusion, Denial and Flat Out Denial, but you have no Truth.

“saved From jesus”

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#3981 Jan 19, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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Do you believe this?
What a sucker! You would believe anything Hitler said! Yes Hitler called himself a Christian. You believe him!
Why would he lie? You need to learn what a Christian is. Hitler was no Christian.
Was Hitler a Christian?
October 30, 1999
Dear Straight Dope:
In my numerous online debates in various chatrooms, I have learned the following: many Christians seem to think that Adolf Hitler was an atheist (or at least wasn't "Christian"). Of course I and my fellow atheists know better, as Hitler mentions his devotion to Christianity numerous times in his writings. Can you clear this up for me? Was Hitler an "honest to God" Christian, or was he simply using religion as a means of control?- Carl Stieger
The short answer is a definite "maybe" or, more precisely, "probably neither." The looooong answer is somewhat more complicated.
You are right that Hitler did mention Christianity many times in his writings. He paid Christianity a lot of lip service in Mein Kampf, and he claimed to be a Christian. But Hitler's secretary, Martin Bormann, also declared that "National Socialism [Nazism] and Christianity are irreconcilable" and Hitler didn't squawk too much about it. Similarly, Hermann Rauschning, a Hitler associate, said, "One is either a Christian or a German. You can't be both." In addition, Hitler declared Nazism the state religion and the Bible was replaced by Mein Kampf in the schools.
First, let's look at what he said that seems to put him on the anti-Christian side:
According to a press release from Catholic League President, William A. Donohue (2/4/99): "Hitler was a neo-pagan terrorist whose conscience was not informed by Christianity, but by pseudo-scientific racist philosophies. Hitler hated the Catholic Church, made plans to kill the Pope, authorized the murder of thousands of priests and nuns, and did everything he could to suppress the influence of the Church. In 1933, Hitler said,'It is through the peasantry that we shall really be able to destroy Christianity because there is in them a true religion rooted in nature and blood.'"
[further down, within the text:]
“... atheists looking for a quick cheap-shot may claim Hitler was a Christian; similarly, Christians looking for a quick shot may claim he was an atheist. Know what? Hitler was a vegetarian! Oooh, those evil vegetarians! He also recommended that parents give their children milk to drink instead of beer and started the first anti-smoking campaign.(So by the "reasoning" used in these types of arguments, if you are truly anti-Hitler, you should smoke heavily and only give your baby beer!) Better watch out, though he was an oxygen-breather, too! In other words, does it really matter whether Hitler was an atheist or a Christian or whatever? Just because somebody may hold a particular worldview (along with other views) doesn't make him a spokesman for that view, or even remotely representative of others who hold that view.”"
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1699...
I'm over the Hitler debate. It's always the same with the no true Scotsman fallacy and who by definition, is a "real" christian, followed by red herrings and straw men.

I don't know what a real christian is with tens of thousands of sects of christianity and interpretations. If it's about following all of the rules set forth in the bible about judging others, following the golden, and minding your own business, then I guess I have yet to have met any christians, ever. After all, actions speak louder than words right? Are you a christian by your deeds, or is it just something you like to call yourself?

I'll assume that whatever sect you belong to has all the answers and are the real christians.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#3982 Jan 19, 2013
Religionthebiglie wrote:
<quoted text>
Speaking of brilliant minds, you were one of the ones I was thinking about when I was referring to those who have the patience to teach science to those who refuses to accept anything you present when it conflicts with the dogma. Some of us out here who appreciate knowledge have benefited from your input.
Are you that patient with your students?
Ahhhh, you are too kind :)

I have more patients with my students, actually. I never call them stupid or accuse them of being dishonest (unless they cheat or plagiarize after I have warned them)- but the people we are dealing with here are adults, not interested in learning and have no issues with being intellectually dishonest for their religious beliefs.

Students are younger, more open to new experiences and usually excited about discovering how the world works. I've had a few students tell me "wow, I just believed God did it all but this makes so much more sense." and a number of students who are like the atheists on these threads - fed up with being spoonfed creationist nonsense and dishonesty.

You know every teacher just waits for those few students who are genuinely interested in the course material. It's fun teaching evolution in America because the education system from k-12 generally leaves that out for fear of the religious. So it's usually an eye opener to most of the students. Then we get to talk about all kinds of interesting things, like how and why drugs affect us as they do, why some but not all people can detoxify alcohol, how culture + biology affect development (and, over the long term, evolution), and so on.

My dream job, really! Now I just have to finish this damn PhD...and writing the grants and paperwork...blah, blah, blah.

Thanks for asking - very kind of you!

What do you do?

“saved From jesus”

Since: Jul 11

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#3983 Jan 19, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
<quoted text>
"Hitler was a neo-pagan terrorist whose conscience was not informed by Christianity, but by pseudo-scientific racist philosophies. Hitler hated the Catholic Church, made plans to kill the Pope, authorized the murder of thousands of priests and nuns, and did everything he could to suppress the influence of the Church. In 1933, Hitler said,'It is through the peasantry that we shall really be able to destroy Christianity because there is in them a true religion rooted in nature and blood."
By your logic I can now call myself the smartest man that ever lived. And now the burden of proof is on you to disprove it.
Do you have any credible historic record of that 1933 quote? Maybe you are privy to information that I can't find, other than blogs and opinion pieces, including the one you copied.

Copy/paste doesn't make you smart, or me gullible. Playing a little pigeon chess there, bud?

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#3984 Jan 19, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
<quoted text>
A fossil can only be proof of what once lived
Perhaps to someone like you who is not educated in anatomy and taxonomy.

Just using bones, I can identify what a species ate, where it lived, how heavy, old, fast it was, how fast it developed, what parts developed first. On certain fossils, you can determine whether the species was homeothermic, whether it lived in aggregate herds, small packs or solitary.

We can further quantify the specific traits on each bone and compare them against both conspecifics and other species. We can construct cladograms and test them via parsimony to produce phylogenies.

You seriously know nothing. And you somehow think you can make authoritative statements about that which you are ignorant of.

Are such delusions of grandeur part of your religion?
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#3985 Jan 19, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
<quoted text>
A fossil can only be proof of what once lived
You are very right brother. A fossil is prove of what once lived and not a fact to prove the fiction of Evolution!!

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

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#3986 Jan 19, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
The Big Bang Theory
exists to explain our observation of the big bang. The observation of the big bang is fact. The theory attempts to explain what happened.

Everything you wrote is utter nonsense.

I bet you don't even know what the word "theory" means.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

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#3987 Jan 19, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't care why or what you do with species. I work with Kinds not species.
All rabbits are one Kind.
1. You do no work whatsoever when any kind of biological science.

2. Your categories are meaningless.

3. Your opinion on species categories is worthless and utterly ignored by science.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

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#3988 Jan 19, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
<quoted text>
"Who cares what some non-scientist religious believer says?"
Apparently you and many others on this thread do. LOL
I'm just procrastinating and, for some reason, I find it fun to tell willfully ignorant people like you what is wrong with your extremely poor, uninformed and misleading ideas.

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#3989 Jan 19, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
Ahhhh, you are too kind :)
I have more patients with my students, actually. I never call them stupid or accuse them of being dishonest (unless they cheat or plagiarize after I have warned them)- but the people we are dealing with here are adults, not interested in learning and have no issues with being intellectually dishonest for their religious beliefs.
Students are younger, more open to new experiences and usually excited about discovering how the world works. I've had a few students tell me "wow, I just believed God did it all but this makes so much more sense." and a number of students who are like the atheists on these threads - fed up with being spoonfed creationist nonsense and dishonesty.
You know every teacher just waits for those few students who are genuinely interested in the course material. It's fun teaching evolution in America because the education system from k-12 generally leaves that out for fear of the religious. So it's usually an eye opener to most of the students. Then we get to talk about all kinds of interesting things, like how and why drugs affect us as they do, why some but not all people can detoxify alcohol, how culture + biology affect development (and, over the long term, evolution), and so on.
My dream job, really! Now I just have to finish this damn PhD...and writing the grants and paperwork...blah, blah, blah.
Thanks for asking - very kind of you!
What do you do?
I'm a restaurateur, and I rule the staff with an iron fist, like HITLER.(kidding) Actually I love my staff. I finally have a competent manager, so I can actually have a night off here and there. The cliche` "good help is hard to find" is spot on.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#3990 Jan 19, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
<quoted text>
"Hitler was a neo-pagan terrorist whose conscience was not informed by Christianity, but by pseudo-scientific racist philosophies. Hitler hated the Catholic Church, made plans to kill the Pope, authorized the murder of thousands of priests and nuns, and did everything he could to suppress the influence of the Church. In 1933, Hitler said,'It is through the peasantry that we shall really be able to destroy Christianity because there is in them a true religion rooted in nature and blood."
By your logic I can now call myself the smartest man that ever lived. And now the burden of proof is on you to disprove it.
Not really, we will take your word for it, just as soon as you show us the historical documents, eye witness testimony and pictorial evidence, that backs you up. Hitler had that in spades.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

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#3991 Jan 19, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
<quoted text>
"Every fossil is a transition fossil."
While of course it is. LOL
In fact you can meet your ancestors in the petrified forest.
Statements like the above demonstrate your ignorance.

Do you know what a ring species is? Probably not, but I'll explain. It's a species that has such a large geographic range that different populations are under environmental pressures - so they have different bodies (b/c of different genetic make ups). Yes, there's gene flow. Hence, it is one species. Yet each environment actively selects for unique local genes that suit it.

So at geographic location A, the species has a certain morphology. At geographic location B, it has a different one. Between A and B there is gene flow, so there is a slow transition of local population gene pools along the continuum. However, each individual cannot see this - it's neighbors look close enough like it, mating takes place.

When you add time's arrow to any species, you get a ring species going from some point in the past to some point later in time.

Like a ring species, the gene frequencies in the gene pool change from one point to another. But each new generation does not notice the change - it happens too slowly. It's only when you take points that are divergent enough by time that you can see a change in the body morphologies.

Like the ring species being different from each other at point A and point B, fossils differ from each other - because of separation and different environmental factors. Hence, every single fossil is a transition fossil - just like every single individual in a ring species is a transition from one body form to another.

I imagine this explanation is too difficult for your religiously muddled perspective. That's ok! Other people seem to be enjoying it :)
Aliroger1

Toronto, Canada

#3992 Jan 19, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
<quoted text>
"Fact is that there is zero proof that Jesus Christ is a historical character. "
LMAO!
Nut case! LOL
"H. G. Wells, British writer, 1866-1946
When asked which person left the most permanent impression on history, he replied that judging a person’s greatness by historical standards:
“By this test, Jesus stands first.”
“I am a historian, I am not a believer, but I must confess as a historian that this penniless preacher from Nazareth is irrevocably the very center of history. Jesus Christ is easily the most dominant figure in all history.”
“Christ is the most unique person of history. No man can write a history of the human race without giving first and foremost place to the penniless teacher of Nazareth.”
Kenneth Scott Latourette, former President of American Historic Society
In A History of Christianity:
“It is evidence of His importance, of the effect that He has had upon history and presumably, of the baffling mystery of His being that no other life ever lived on this planet has evoked so huge a volume of literature among so many people and languages, and that, far from ebbing, the flood continues to mount.”
“As the centuries pass by, the evidence is accumulating that measured by its effect on history, Jesus is the most influential life ever lived on this planet. The influence appears to be mounting.”
“No other life lived on this planet has so widely and deeply affected mankind.”
George Bancroft, great American historian
“I find the name of Jesus Christ written on the top of every page of modern history.”"
http://www.why-jesus.com/history.htm
WHERE IS THE 100% PROOF THAT JESUS AND THE BIBLE ARE NOT FICTIONAL???

Fact is that there is zero proof that Jesus Christ is a historical character. There is a consensus amongst credible historians that the bible is a work of fiction and Jesus and Moses are fictional characters, along with all the other key characters in the bible.

LET US EXAMINE H.G. WELLS WHO YOU CITE AS A SUPPORTER OF YOUR EVIL BELIEFS:

"Herbert George "H. G." Wells (21 September 1866 13 August 1946)[1] was an English writer, now best known for his work in the science fiction genre. He was also a prolific writer in many other genres, including contemporary novels, history, politics and social commentary, even writing textbooks and rules for war games. Together with Jules Verne and Hugo Gernsback, Wells has been referred to as "The Father of Science Fiction".[2] His most notable science fiction works include The War of the Worlds, The Time Machine, The Invisible Man and The Island of Doctor Moreau.
Wells's earliest specialised training was in biology, and his thinking on ethical matters took place in a specifically and fundamentally Darwinian context"

YES, WELLS WAS A DARWINIAN EVOLUTIONIST!!! LOLLLLL The rest of your "evidence" is as much spin and cant and lies and deception, you Servant of Satan!!!
Aliroger1

Toronto, Canada

#3993 Jan 19, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
You were already humiliated on this. Who cares why a fiction writer said about Jesus? Who cares what anyone's opinion on Jesus is?
Show the proof for a historical Jesus not people saying he existed because they said so. Actual historic proof.
Any century now.
<quoted text>
H.G. Wells was a noted early adopter of the theory of evolution into his thought and work. If he has such credibility, it begs the question why the morons quote Well's supposed support for the fictional Jesus but they deny Well's lifetime supporter and promotion of the theory of evolution. They are clearly engaging in unethical cherry picking to distort the truth and pretend that other people support their pathological beliefs.
Aliroger1

Toronto, Canada

#3994 Jan 19, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
<quoted text>
So you completely missed all the other Historian listed? Go figure!
LOLLL

Your list did not include anyone who has published a peer-reviewed journal article on primary research in the field! List peer-reviewed credible journal articles by archaeologists and historians to support your claims. Until then, this is the fact: The Bible is a work of fiction and all the main characters are fictional literary figures, including Jesus Christ, Moses, and all the other folks. They are no more real than Disney's Mickey Mouse, Goofy, Donald Duck and Bambi and Lassie Go Home!!!

Since: Mar 11

Chicago, IL

#3995 Jan 19, 2013
You must have pulled that one right out of your @ss.
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>Data in the USA indicate quite the opposite. The higher the level of education, the more likely the individual attends church.
While liberal churches in America are losing members, nearly all conservative churches are growing and many quite rapidly.

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#3996 Jan 19, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
Statements like the above demonstrate your ignorance.
Do you know what a ring species is? Probably not, but I'll explain. It's a species that has such a large geographic range that different populations are under environmental pressures - so they have different bodies (b/c of different genetic make ups). Yes, there's gene flow. Hence, it is one species. Yet each environment actively selects for unique local genes that suit it.
So at geographic location A, the species has a certain morphology. At geographic location B, it has a different one. Between A and B there is gene flow, so there is a slow transition of local population gene pools along the continuum. However, each individual cannot see this - it's neighbors look close enough like it, mating takes place.
When you add time's arrow to any species, you get a ring species going from some point in the past to some point later in time.
Like a ring species, the gene frequencies in the gene pool change from one point to another. But each new generation does not notice the change - it happens too slowly. It's only when you take points that are divergent enough by time that you can see a change in the body morphologies.
Like the ring species being different from each other at point A and point B, fossils differ from each other - because of separation and different environmental factors. Hence, every single fossil is a transition fossil - just like every single individual in a ring species is a transition from one body form to another.
I imagine this explanation is too difficult for your religiously muddled perspective. That's ok! Other people seem to be enjoying it :)
I'll give you the predictable theist response. Missing link, missing link, missing link.
Aliroger1

Toronto, Canada

#3997 Jan 19, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
<quoted text>
Notice others listed here:
Kenneth Scott Latourette, former President of American Historic Society
...
Kenneth Scott Latourette, former President of American Historic Society
In A History of Christianity:
“It is evidence of His importance, of the effect that He has had upon history and presumably, of the baffling mystery of His being that no other life ever lived on this planet has evoked so huge a volume of literature among so many people and languages, and that, far from ebbing, the flood continues to mount.
This Latourette, how much time did he spend researching the history of the bible and in ascertaining the historicity of the bible????
Can you cite a peer-reviewed journal article by Latourette on the historicity of Jesus and the bible??

Latourette was a missionary and baptist minister and professor of theology. His area of history was the Far East--China and Japan. How much time did he spend in the Middle East doing any research? LOLLLLL I already debunked your drivel about H.G. Wells, the well-known Darwinian evolution supporter!!!

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