Why Atheism Will Replace Religion

[RHill]

Colin The Zionist wrote:

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On what do you base any morals you have no notiong of true morals untill you base them on the Torah.

The Jews with their Torah, the Muslims with their Qu'ran, the Christians with their Bible ... three reasons Mankind will never know peace. Y'all suck.

[sickofit]

RHill wrote:

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The Jews with their Torah, the Muslims with their Qu'ran, the Christians with their Bible ... three reasons Mankind will never know peace. Y'all suck.

Oh how true that is....If all super religous people would disappear this world could live in peace..

[inv e]

Givemeliberty wrote:

My next question? You never answered any of my previous questions.
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So again where do we even get the notion of god/s?-(i got it from other people, I can't speak for the others)
Where did the idea originate?-(I don't know)
Were your magical unseeable realm anything more than fanciful speculation -(could be, as most things abstract) how did the ancient people who gave us the concept of gods discover said realm?-(if they came up with the concept of god, I wouldn't know if they also discovered/came up with the concept of the abstract, metaphysical)
Either they had observable abilities beyond ours or they made it all up. Which do you think is more likely?-(I don't know if they had super observable powers, but strictly based on my own personal experience, it's likely they could have made it up)

[RHill]

inv e wrote:

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So again where do we even get the notion of god/s?-(i got it from other people, I can't speak for the others)
Where did the idea originate?-(I don't know)
Were your magical unseeable realm anything more than fanciful speculation -(could be, as most things abstract) how did the ancient people who gave us the concept of gods discover said realm?-(if they came up with the concept of god, I wouldn't know if they also discovered/came up with the concept of the abstract, metaphysical)
Either they had observable abilities beyond ours or they made it all up. Which do you think is more likely?-(I don't know if they had super observable powers, but strictly based on my own personal experience, it's likely they could have made it up)

Nature rages in very god-like fashion and is terrifyingly real. Homo Sapiens grasps for understanding, it is one of our defining characteristics. Lacking science, gods are all we could come up with. Times have changed.

[RHill]

Hell, I'm from Texas. I've been through tornadoes, hurricanes and lightning storms that would make a believer outta anybody. Almost anybody. LOL

[Lincoln]

Khatru wrote:

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My morals are be based on the foundation of verifiable common interests, known causes and known consequences.
While yours are based on an you base your whole moral system on an unproveable supernatural being.
We've already seen how your morals mean that you approve of genocide and infanticide as well approving of the murder of homosexuals and anyone who wishes to exercise religious freedom.
Your morals also mean you approve of mutilating babies genitals and suppressing your women.
Anyway, I can't help but notice your failure to answer my question (yet again).
So let's have another go....
IF your God ordered you to kill the child next door to you, would you obey?
Note my use of the word "if" as opposed to "when". I'm not saying that your monster god will order you to do it, I'm saying "if".

"known causes and known consequences" :-)

"Law of unintended consequences" may Bite You :-)

God does no ask you to kill the Child Next Door, unless you hear voices?

are you irrational ?

[Hedonist]

inv e wrote:

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So again where do we even get the notion of god/s?-(i got it from other people, I can't speak for the others)
Where did the idea originate?-(I don't know)
Were your magical unseeable realm anything more than fanciful speculation -(could be, as most things abstract) how did the ancient people who gave us the concept of gods discover said realm?-(if they came up with the concept of god, I wouldn't know if they also discovered/came up with the concept of the abstract, metaphysical)
Either they had observable abilities beyond ours or they made it all up. Which do you think is more likely?-(I don't know if they had super observable powers, but strictly based on my own personal experience, it's likely they could have made it up)

I think ancient goat herders were trying to understand where lightning came from and Thor was their best answer at the time.(Or whatever deity they envisioned.)

I find it interesting that every deity ever invented always hates the same people it's "followers" hate, and never ever seems to disagree with the believer.

Also, have you ever noticed that the incidents of "miracles" is inversely proportional to the availability of camera phones?

[RHill]

An interesting little article that impinges on some of our topics ...

" http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm... ;

[Khatru]

Lincoln wrote:

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"known causes and known consequences" :-)
"Law of unintended consequences" may Bite You :-)
God does no ask you to kill the Child Next Door, unless you hear voices?
are you irrational ?

Rant

[Lincoln]

Khatru wrote:

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Rant

Yes You do Rand !

Are you the moderator in your mind?

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"My morals

are be based on the foundation of verifiable common interests, known causes and known consequences.
While yours are based on an you base your whole moral system on an unproveable supernatural being.
We've already seen how your morals mean that you approve of genocide and infanticide as well approving of the murder of homosexuals and anyone who wishes to exercise religious freedom.
Your morals also mean you approve of mutilating babies genitals and suppressing your women.
Anyway,

I can't help but notice

your failure to answer my question (yet again).
So let's have another go....
IF your god ordered you to kiext door to you, would you obey?
Note my use of the word "if" as opposed to "when".

I'm not saying

that your monster God will order you to do it, I'm saying "if"."

Self important in your rant?

[Rick in Kansas]

2nd KINGS 2:23-25

"And Elisha went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them. And he went from thence to mount Carmel, and from thence he returned to Samaria."

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[Jeff]

Khatru wrote:

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My morals are be based on the foundation of verifiable common interests, known causes and known consequences.
While yours are based on an you base your whole moral system on an unproveable supernatural being.
We've already seen how your morals mean that you approve of genocide and infanticide as well approving of the murder of homosexuals and anyone who wishes to exercise religious freedom.
Your morals also mean you approve of mutilating babies genitals and suppressing your women.
Anyway, I can't help but notice your failure to answer my question (yet again).
So let's have another go....
IF your god ordered you to kill the child next door to you, would you obey?
Note my use of the word "if" as opposed to "when". I'm not saying that your monster god will order you to do it, I'm saying "if".

Your morals are still based on opinion. Who cares if they "are based on the foundation of verifiable common interests, known causes and known consequences." If someone doesn't want to live on this kind of thing they are not doing anything wrong.
If God ordered someone to "kill the child next door to you" that person would first have to prove that God did indeed command this. So you have to ask how could they prove this? What would count as proof?

[Hedonist]

RHill wrote:

An interesting little article that impinges on some of our topics ...
" http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm... ;

That was a good read. So I opened up a thread for it, if anyone's interested.

" http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T... ;

[Hedonist]

Jeff wrote:

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Your morals are still based on opinion. Who cares if they "are based on the foundation of verifiable common interests, known causes and known consequences." If someone doesn't want to live on this kind of thing they are not doing anything wrong.
If God ordered someone to "kill the child next door to you" that person would first have to prove that God did indeed command this. So you have to ask how could they prove this? What would count as proof?

With religion all morality is still "opinion".

People pick and choose which parts of their religion are applicable and which parts aren't. That's the only way Christians could possible justify not killing witches, not keeping slaves, accepting that women are not subservient to men, etc.

But you're asking the right question. It's okay for people to talk to god, but if he talks back, seek help! We all know this. What more evidence do you need to see that we all really know gods don't exist?

[albtraum]

inv e wrote:

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I base my argument on the definition I find. I also find myself to have partially adopted an Immanuel Kant approach on this subject,'There can be no knowledge without sensation, but sense data cannot alone provide knowledge either.'. I don't know if I should apologise for approaching this pretty much philosophical topic in a way you call philosophising. Before we continue, let's again try agree on the definition of empiricism, is it not a doctrine? Its not simply a 'not-something' here, so we can at least probably put an argument together..

Sooo, the first thing you find is where you hang your metaphorical hat? I don't think so. I would be more inclined to believe you have an entire host of 'resources' that back up your particular opinions.

Read my post again, Don Quixote. I do not care to read or discuss your speculations. I would say I'm more of a rationalist, make of that what you will.

[Jeff]

Hedonist wrote:

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With religion all morality is still "opinion".
People pick and choose which parts of their religion are applicable and which parts aren't. That's the only way Christians could possible justify not killing witches, not keeping slaves, accepting that women are not subservient to men, etc.
But you're asking the right question. It's okay for people to talk to god, but if he talks back, seek help! We all know this. What more evidence do you need to see that we all really know gods don't exist?

Not necessarily true that with "religion all morality is still "opinion" if God has truly spoken as He has in the Bible. If God has spoken then morality is not just human opinion.
Not all things in the Bible are applicable to us today. The New Testament, which is the primary foundation for belief and practice never commands a person to kill witches, keep slaves or that women are to be subservient to men.
God may indeed speak to others but He would never command someone to murder. That would violate His commandments.
I agree gods do not exist but the true God does. If God does not exist then we live in a absurd and irrational universe.

[albtraum]

Lincoln wrote:

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May be a college near where you might take a course in World War II history.
In class, do tell them your theories ....

Why don't you google images of Hitler conferring with Priests or said Priests saluting der Fuhrer mit Seig Heil? You'll find them aplenty.

[albtraum]

sickofit wrote:

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WHAT I THOUGHT YOUR GOD WAS ALL POWERFULL AND CARED FOR HIS CHILDREN??????????
FORK YHVH!!!!!!!!!! HE IS A MADE UP BS GOD...

Lol, I think you tweaked his nose;0) Let's see how he recovers from this, he judged you pretty harshly....good work!