Why Atheism Will Replace Religion

Why Atheism Will Replace Religion

There are 14715 comments on the News24 story from Aug 27, 2012, titled Why Atheism Will Replace Religion. In it, News24 reports that:

Please note that for this article "Atheism" also includes agnostics, deists, pagans, wiccans... in other words non-religious.

You will notice this is a statement of fact. And to be fact it is supported by evidence (see references below). Now you can have "faith" that this is not true, but by the very definition of faith, that is just wishful thinking.

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sickofit

Owatonna, MN

#2863 Jan 11, 2013
Colin The Zionist wrote:
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Sorry i don't 'kids' I have children. They would far out weigh you intellectually.
I guess you don't know many homeschooled then.
RIGHT OK...You teach your kids LIES from the buybull...So I beat them hands down...I know that most homeschooled kids end up insane nut jobs and they also most of them get sexually abused by there insane parents......My sister works for a mental health hospital and half the kids in there come from homeschooled families....

“Israel for Ever and Ever”

Since: Nov 08

Right Here with my feet up

#2864 Jan 11, 2013
sickofit wrote:
EVOLUTION IS TAUGHT AT EVERY(RECOGNIZED) COLLEGE AND SCHOOL IN THE WORLD.....THAT IS THE FACT AND TRUTH MORON.......
Teaching a myth or lie as fact does not make it fact it just makes it a well taught myth or lie.

I am still waiting for any if the 'tons and tons' of evidence you claim to have.

“Israel for Ever and Ever”

Since: Nov 08

Right Here with my feet up

#2865 Jan 11, 2013
Richardfs wrote:
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I honestly feel sorry for them. You can't even use the spell checker.
You should feel sorry for all the brainwashed children in school being taught the myth (lie) of evolution
sickofit

Owatonna, MN

#2866 Jan 11, 2013
Colin The Zionist wrote:
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Ok you have made a claim now post this 'rock solid proveable fact'
HOLY CRAP MORON....EVERY REPUTABLE COLLEGE WORLD WIDE AND EVERY HIGHSCHOOL WORLD WIDE TECAHES EVOLUTION...where have you been.........

No scientist or true educator teaches anything but evolution./////////

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#2867 Jan 11, 2013
Fitz wrote:
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Yes their are mutliple theories that try to account for the big bang, all of them strike me as scurilious and ridicoulously complex and far fetched post-hoc rationalizations.
Please be more careful about your analysis. The Big Bang theory is a description of what happened *after* the current expansion phase got started. That the universe is, in fact, expanding and that it has done so for the last 13.7 billion years is settled.

The question is all in what, if anything, happened before that. At this point, our ability to test any hypotheses is limited by our ability to make accelerators with enough energy to mimic the temperatures and densities at that time.

Nature is complex. merging quantum mechanics and general relativity won't be an easy thing. If it was, we would have already found the way to do it. But be careful about distinguishing the *assumptions* of a theory from the *conclusions* of that theory.

String theory does not *start* with the assumption that there are multiple universes. It *concludes* that from the assumptions. The assumptions boil down to saying that fundamental particles are described by equations similar to those for quantum strings. Not a completely unreasonable place to start.

General relativity does not *start* with the assumption that there was a Big Bang. it starts with some assumptions about the nature of gravity and the geometry of spacetime. It *concludes* that there was a Big Bang. merging that with known results of thermodynamics gives us the Hot Big Bang theory. The amazing thing is that these modest assumptions allow us to make detailed predictions that agree with observations. And *that* is how science works.
Fitz

Roseville, MI

#2868 Jan 11, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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The anthropic principle died long ago. And the universe is still expanding and was one in a hot, dense state that is accurately described by the Big Bang (more accurately, the LCDM) model.
And how does a deity answer any of the questions? Make a prediction, by using your hypothesis of a deity, to estimate the density fluctuations in the cosmic background radiation. You can't. The Big Bang theory can. Use your hypothesis to predict the abundances of hydrogen, helium, and lithium in the universe. You can't. But the Big Bang theory can. use your hypothesis of a creator to predict the size of the effect of Compton scattering off of electrons in the hot gases around galactic clusters. You can't. The Big Bang theory can.
In essence, the hypothesis of a deity says 'something that we don't know about did something that we can't understand and the universe popped into existence'. How is that any better than saying 'the universe popped into existence'? You propose an alternative that makes no actual predictions, explains no details, and provides no insight at all into the problems. What good is it?
I dont deny the predictive power of the big bang model for the universe creation...indeed I embrace it.

You are not arguing against final and formal causes...rather you are sticking up for the usefullness of a methodology (the scientific method)- I dont refute the usefullness of that methodology, indeed I subscribe to it.

The problem is you are stuck within that methodology for both your questions and your answer. I on the other hand have both science and metaphysical knowledge as viable.

Its simply eedifying to know that your methodology cant prove the origins of the known universe with anymore evidence than what reason suggests is the lickly cause of a inteleigiable universe...

“Israel for Ever and Ever”

Since: Nov 08

Right Here with my feet up

#2869 Jan 11, 2013
sickofit wrote:
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RIGHT OK...You teach your kids LIES from the buybull...So I beat them hands down...I know that most homeschooled kids end up insane nut jobs and they also most of them get sexually abused by there insane parents......My sister works for a mental health hospital and half the kids in there come from homeschooled families....
Each of the claims here are 100% incorrect. You should be ashamed of yourself. You are a disgusting example of a brainwashed fool.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#2870 Jan 11, 2013
Colin The Zionist wrote:
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Ok you have made a claim now post this 'rock solid proveable fact'
We've already posted a number: ERVs, fossil record, nested hierarchies for proteins, morphology, etc. Evolution (the idea that species change over time) is the only theory that explains all we see.
sickofit

Owatonna, MN

#2871 Jan 11, 2013
Colin The Zionist wrote:
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Teaching a myth or lie as fact does not make it fact it just makes it a well taught myth or lie.
I am still waiting for any if the 'tons and tons' of evidence you claim to have.
Yes your buybull religion is myth..........I WONT POST ONE BIT OF PROOF FOR EVOLUTION UNTIL YOU PROVE YOUR GOD AND BUYBULL ARE TRUE.....come on just one small tiny bit of proof>?????????anything???? ??????

“Israel for Ever and Ever”

Since: Nov 08

Right Here with my feet up

#2872 Jan 11, 2013
sickofit wrote:
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Yes your buybull religion is myth..........I WONT POST ONE BIT OF PROOF
That is because there is none to post admit it.

“There is no Truth in Faith”

Since: Dec 08

nowhere near a pound of $100's

#2873 Jan 11, 2013
Fitz wrote:
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Magic is a deceptive trick done by an entertainer to fool an audience.
The world top physisits all are in agreement that the origins of the known universe, both time & space started at a precise date in our past and are grounded not in any laws of the physical universe but in a metaphysical (beyond physics) moment of creation.
Such metaphysical phenomena are popularly known as miracles.
Deal with it.
More BullCr@p!! time and space AS WE KNOW IT started at a specific time in the past and is firmly rooted in the laws of nature. We simply don't know what the universe was like prior to that time. And AGAIN, just because we don't yet know, does not mean that "God dunnit with magic".

“There is no Truth in Faith”

Since: Dec 08

nowhere near a pound of $100's

#2874 Jan 11, 2013
Colin The Zionist wrote:
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So you don't know how do you know that it happened at all.
Because of the uniform cosmic background radiation emanating from the edges of the universe.
sickofit

Owatonna, MN

#2875 Jan 11, 2013
Colin The Zionist wrote:
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Each of the claims here are 100% incorrect. You should be ashamed of yourself. You are a disgusting example of a brainwashed fool.
EVERY POSY YOU AMDE IS 100% LIES....The buybull is lies.....PROVE IT ISNT....PLEASE TRY TO PROVE YOUR HATE FILLED CULT RELIGION OF BIGOTRY AND VIOLENCE IS RIGHT......Come on.....this should be good..
sickofit

Owatonna, MN

#2876 Jan 11, 2013
Colin The Zionist wrote:
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That is because there is none to post admit it.
YOU HAVE PROOF YOUR BUYBULL AND FLYING SPACE JEW ARE REAL??????????
Fitz

Roseville, MI

#2877 Jan 11, 2013
Ooogah Boogah wrote:
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More BullCr@p!! time and space AS WE KNOW IT started at a specific time in the past and is firmly rooted in the laws of nature. We simply don't know what the universe was like prior to that time. And AGAIN, just because we don't yet know, does not mean that "God dunnit with magic".
No kid, not "as we know it" but as it is known. Their was no "universe" before the big bang. Time & space themselves are expanding...and not into a void, but simply expanding since that moment of creation.

An intelligent creator that designed an intelliable universe is not proven by these scientific fact, its simply just the most rational explanation posited to date.

All other explanantions also fail the test of being testable or based on emprirical eviedence.

But if you prefer the theological specualtions of Steven Hawkings or Carl Segan thats your peragative.

I simply am going were the evidence leads.

Since: Dec 12

Kolomotu'a

#2878 Jan 11, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
1: Stay away from those how to debate an atheist websites that you stole your arguments from.
2: Listen to actual atheists. Don't dictate and obfuscate what you want them to be.
3: Most importantly show us why we should accept your god as anything more than your imagination.
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Lol love you too. Maybe if you're not upsetting people while arguing, it might have been a little easier for reason to follow its natural course. But I think my arguments still hold against what I think your sect in atheism is.
1: I already told you I don't know this website, style me a liar all you like
2: I listened to quite a few here actually, and they all have their own definitions of atheism.
3. I don't think I've argue for any god. You might have imagined that...lol

“There is no Truth in Faith”

Since: Dec 08

nowhere near a pound of $100's

#2879 Jan 11, 2013
Fitz wrote:
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No kid, not "as we know it" but as it is known. Their was no "universe" before the big bang. Time & space themselves are expanding...and not into a void, but simply expanding since that moment of creation.
An intelligent creator that designed an intelliable universe is not proven by these scientific fact, its simply just the most rational explanation posited to date.
All other explanantions also fail the test of being testable or based on emprirical eviedence.
But if you prefer the theological specualtions of Steven Hawkings or Carl Segan thats your peragative.
I simply am going were the evidence leads.
Then you should be able to prove there was no universe in any form prior to the big bang ..... I'll wait .....

Dumbazz!

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#2880 Jan 11, 2013
inv e wrote:
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Lol love you too. Maybe if you're not upsetting people while arguing, it might have been a little easier for reason to follow its natural course. But I think my arguments still hold against what I think your sect in atheism is.
1: I already told you I don't know this website, style me a liar all you like
2: I listened to quite a few here actually, and they all have their own definitions of atheism.
3. I don't think I've argue for any god. You might have imagined that...lol
Actually you have engaged in conversation very well and have not resorted to the usual creationism banter we see.

However, you would be a very, very tiny minority of posters in any of the Atheism Forum threads, so forgive some of us if we keep expecting you to go vertical at any moment and start ranting.

That is the common history here.

Even though I have really enjoyed typing to you, I too keep expecting the worst, and I'm sorry for that.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#2881 Jan 11, 2013
inv e wrote:
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Lol love you too.......lol
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“Israel for Ever and Ever”

Since: Nov 08

Right Here with my feet up

#2882 Jan 11, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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We've already posted a number: ERVs, fossil record, nested hierarchies for proteins, morphology, etc. Evolution (the idea that species change over time) is the only theory that explains all we see.
And none are 100% irrefutable evidence for the myth (lie) of evolution. For a point if correction, creation is the only thing that explains all we can see and all we cannot see

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