Richard Dawkins tweets on abortion: ‘any fetus is less human than an adult pig’

Mar 16, 2013 Full story: freerepublic.com 1,829

It would seem the pro-life movement has acquired an unlikely supporter. On Wednesday, Richard Dawkins, a vocal proponent of atheism and the author of The God Delusion, posted a provocative tweet about abortion: With respect to those meanings of "human" that are relevant to the morality of abortion, any fetus is less human than an adult pig.

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#1466 May 28, 2013
Bitner wrote:
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And yes, I most certainly DO have the right to have an abortion.
You defended it again.

You deny doing that.

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#1467 May 28, 2013
zef wrote:
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I never said anything about giving birth to adults. Which is impossible.
I like your looks.

Do you like big, raw-boned southern boys?

“Blessed Be”

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#1468 May 28, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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You defended it again.
You deny doing that.
Nonsense, Moron. I stated a fact, correcting the idiot who is claiming abortion is illegal here because the Nazis made it so for Aryan women in Germany last century. Do try to keep up.

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#1469 May 28, 2013
Bitner wrote:
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Nonsense, Moron. I stated a fact, correcting the idiot who is claiming abortion is illegal here because the Nazis made it so for Aryan women in Germany last century. Do try to keep up.
Use of "facts" does not in any way diminish the fact that you were defending the right to abortion.

One can defend with facts.

Facts are actually the best defense.

You should learn to use them truthfully, as when you defend the right to abortion, not when you claim you are not defending it, when you actually are.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

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#1470 May 28, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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Use of "facts" does not in any way diminish the fact that you were defending the right to abortion.
One can defend with facts.
Facts are actually the best defense.
You should learn to use them truthfully, as when you defend the right to abortion, not when you claim you are not defending it, when you actually are.
But I wasn't defending anything. I was correcting the idiot's post. There is a difference that you are apparently not bright enough to see. Or, simply not honest enough to acknowledge in your desperation.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#1471 May 28, 2013
You mean big fatasses like you right?
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>I like your looks.

Do you like big, raw-boned southern boys?

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#1472 May 28, 2013
zef wrote:
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You are a hatemongering ageist bigot. You don't have the right to kill anyone with anything, abortion or otherwise. A woman is a female human of any age.
woman
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: female human
http://thesaurus.com/browse/woman
So let me get this straight, here you are opposing science and the strict intellectual understanding of how things work, yet ... you wish to employ such in your own argument without regard to the social use of a word. Socially, a woman is only an adult female, to a cow an adult female cow would be a woman, but to a cow an adult female human would just be a female human. Since language is arbitrary you have to employ only what the general social use is otherwise you destroy the purpose of language, how many people do you know call a little girl a woman, aside from pedophiles?

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#1473 May 28, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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You defended it again.
You deny doing that.
So you are of the mind that defending one thing inherently denies the other. That means you are also admitting that women should have no choices in life, that men should be making them all for them. You are a chauvinist.
zef

Los Angeles, CA

#1474 May 28, 2013
Bitner wrote:
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Sorry, but the thesaurus doesn't prove me wrong. A woman IS a female human, and ADULT female human. Period.
And yes, I most certainly DO have the right to have an abortion.
You're insane. Get help soon.
If what you say were true, than a young woman would be a young adult. But a young woman is not a young adult. A young woman is an adolescent. And an adolescent is no more an adult than a fetus is an adult. A woman is a female human, period. Making up your own definitions to suit your nihilistic hatemongering agenda is truly sick.

woman
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: female human
http://thesaurus.com/browse/woman
zef

Los Angeles, CA

#1475 May 28, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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So let me get this straight, here you are opposing science and the strict intellectual understanding of how things work, yet ... you wish to employ such in your own argument without regard to the social use of a word. Socially, a woman is only an adult female, to a cow an adult female cow would be a woman, but to a cow an adult female human would just be a female human. Since language is arbitrary you have to employ only what the general social use is otherwise you destroy the purpose of language, how many people do you know call a little girl a woman, aside from pedophiles?
Pedophiles don't call a little girl a woman. Pedophiles like having sex with little girls, not just any woman, so they prefer calling young women little girls. People that only like chocolate ice cream do not say they like any ice cream, they say they like chocolate ice cream.
To a cow an adult female cow would be a woman? OMG
zef

Los Angeles, CA

#1476 May 28, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
You do not get to make up your own half witted definitions for words. A woman is an adult female human.
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You do not get to make up your own half witted definitions for words.

woman
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: female human
http://thesaurus.com/browse/woman

Since: Mar 11

United States

#1477 May 28, 2013
http://m.dictionary.com/definition/woman/...

And adult female person... From your own link.
zef wrote:
<quoted text>If what you say were true, than a young woman would be a young adult. But a young woman is not a young adult. A young woman is an adolescent. And an adolescent is no more an adult than a fetus is an adult. A woman is a female human, period. Making up your own definitions to suit your nihilistic hatemongering agenda is truly sick.

woman
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: female human
http://thesaurus.com/browse/woman

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#1478 May 28, 2013
zef wrote:
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Pedophiles don't call a little girl a woman. Pedophiles like having sex with little girls, not just any woman, so they prefer calling young women little girls. People that only like chocolate ice cream do not say they like any ice cream, they say they like chocolate ice cream.
To a cow an adult female cow would be a woman? OMG
You really are an idiot.
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#1479 May 28, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
You do not get to make up your own half witted definitions for words. A woman is an adult female human.
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that comment was to someone else, but I want to explore this further with you. What is needed is an agreement on what a person is; and an adult woman is a person, and a corporation is not a person. The Supreme Court has been dominated by pro-business and anti-women men for far too long. But I would not trust American public opinion on the nature of a Constitutional Amendment to correct matters, either. People are too easily swayed by emotion, and not reason.

Animals, children, unborn children, and corporations can all be given some degree of rights - though it would be difficult to spell out the types in a Constitutional Amendment - and I would like to see redwoods and rainforests have rights too (they deserve them as much as corporations do).

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#1480 May 28, 2013
We do not make up our own random definitions for words and expect to be taken seriously.

Do you think abortion should be outlawed?
havent forgotten wrote:
<quoted text>that comment was to someone else, but I want to explore this further with you. What is needed is an agreement on what a person is; and an adult woman is a person, and a corporation is not a person. The Supreme Court has been dominated by pro-business and anti-women men for far too long. But I would not trust American public opinion on the nature of a Constitutional Amendment to correct matters, either. People are too easily swayed by emotion, and not reason.

Animals, children, unborn children, and corporations can all be given some degree of rights - though it would be difficult to spell out the types in a Constitutional Amendment - and I would like to see redwoods and rainforests have rights too (they deserve them as much as corporations do).
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#1481 May 28, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
We do not make up our own random definitions for words and expect to be taken seriously.
Do you think abortion should be outlawed?
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I think that sexual intercourse between a man and a woman without use of a condom and birth control by the woman should be called rape, a minor form of it, on the part of the man.
It is time that neither the woman nor the potential human being, the unborn, be the one penalized for some selfish guy. I think men like that belong in county jails, to quote from the King and I.

The world is overpopulated. I would be delighted to see all the men in the military who committed rape sent out to replace drones to attack the worst of the terrorists. Get rid of them that way instead of having the cost of putting them in a jail or the danger of releasing them into society where they will assault other women.

This is a very strong feminist view and an anti-abortion view!

I do not think abortion should be outlawed. It should be safe, legal and rare.

Any woman, or gay person or other minority who does not have equal rights, should stay out of the military, until it is safe to be there, and until there are full equal rights in this country to make it worth fighting for. The idea that we are fighting for the rights of women in the Middle East is silly - when in some cases women had more rights under the dictators we opposed than they do now - and when the US military is nearly as dangerous for women as some nations are.

Abortion as a means of birth control is a form of bad behavior, in my view. No sensible woman should have intercourse with a man unless he uses a condom and she uses birth control too in case the condom fails. I have very radical feminist views on sex, and a lot of it comes from my reading of psychology including Wilhelm Reich, Alexander Lowen, Abraham Maslow, and Alan Watts. People should not use other people. People should value (most) other people. I think that includes a strong impulse to value life of animals and the unborn who could become children, as well as trees and rainforests, as I said above.

The lives I do not value are the killers of innocent life. I have sense enough to face reality, but when it comes to stating a moral code, I do not think one has to start by being so realistic that one gives in to how immoral most people really are.

I am an agnostic atheist and do not believe in an afterlife. I also do not really believe in free will, so I think evil people should be restrained from doing evil, but I do not think they chose to be evil or deserve to be punished in any horrible way, including torture or small jail cells. I am moderate in my actions, but I am way to an extreme in my analysis. I think this world is very very badly made, and could not be made by any good Being. I think human beings are not very great stuff, and a good dog is a better thing, and would gladly kill a hunter trying to kill a deer or a person trying to injure a dog - if I could get by with it. An unborn child starts with conception, and is not a part of the woman. I believe in a woman's right to an abortion, for the practical reason that there is not effective birth control used by so many people, and the other practical reason that if abortions are illegal, women will have dangerous illegal abortions anyway.

It is no accident that so many irresponsible persons are strongly pro-abortion rights, and I am not friendly toward them. I also despise the pro-life fanatics who are anti-sex, anti-women, anti-every other life form, do not give a damn about a baby or child once it is born (opposing food stamps, health care for women, good and equal education, etc), and are for every evil war a Republican gets us into. And who are hunters, and who are crying because the jury did not give a death sentence to Jodi Arias, because they are bloodthirsty salacious voyeurs.
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#1482 May 28, 2013
wow - need to add I am also very opposed to sexual assaults on animals, children, and men. and very opposed to the Catholic Church as an institution that protected pedophiles.

Since my background is both in politics (where I believe in very moderate and sensible and effective tactics) and philosophy (especially ethics, and where I am not afraid of extremes) and enough history and political theory and social sciences to mostly disapprove of mankind, as well as the very basics of nature (carnivores, suffering and death, etc), there is a big gap between what I think and what I think can be done or even advocated seriously.
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#1483 May 28, 2013
Bitner wrote:
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Sorry, but the thesaurus doesn't prove me wrong. A woman IS a female human, and ADULT female human. Period.
And yes, I most certainly DO have the right to have an abortion.
You're insane. Get help soon.
that was not to me. I do believe that women have the right to have abortions, but I do not approve of abortion as a means of birth control if people are careless. That means I disapprove of the individual who is careless, but it does not mean I think the woman should be penalized with all these state laws which are being passed to try to effectively take away abortion rights.

I do not think a fetus is a part of a woman's body, however. I think that potential human life begins at conception or soon after, and that safe and effective birth control is something everyone should advocate and promote. Abstention is safest and most effective. Condoms are useful if used properly and also protect against sTD's in most cases, I think. A woman should insist that a man use condoms if the woman does not want to get pregnant or does not trust him completely, and she would be wise to use birth control of her own as well, if she knows she would prefer abortion if she does get pregnant.
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#1484 May 28, 2013
AS a practical matter, even the morning after pill is better - even for young girls if they are not in danger from its side effects - is better than a later abortion or a live birth if the girl is too young. I would rather make the judgment that the life of the woman is more important than the life of an unborn child, rather than pretend that the unborn child is a nothing of value until it is born, or until the third trimester.

I do not think that folks who say that there is no pain for the unborn during an abortion are playing fair, when that is what they want to think so as not to feel guilty. That sort of attitude is a way of making excuses, by dehumanizing, mistreatment of other life forms, and was even asserted regarding newborns, in some cases.
zef

Los Angeles, CA

#1485 May 28, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
http://m.dictionary.com/definition/woman/...
And adult female person... From your own link.
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Just because vanilla is ice cream does not exclude chocolate from being ice cream.

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