Richard Dawkins tweets on abortion: ‘any fetus is less human than an adult pig’

Mar 16, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: freerepublic.com

It would seem the pro-life movement has acquired an unlikely supporter. On Wednesday, Richard Dawkins, a vocal proponent of atheism and the author of The God Delusion, posted a provocative tweet about abortion: With respect to those meanings of "human" that are relevant to the morality of abortion, any fetus is less human than an adult pig.

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Bitner wrote:
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And yet NOWHERE does this say, no matter how you twist it, that a female fetus is a woman.
You are wrong, Whacko.
Only human female fetus are women.
A woman is a female human, as is a human female fetus a female human. Therefore a human female fetus must be a woman.
And yet NOWHERE does this say, no matter how you twist it, that you have the right to kill a female fetus(woman) with an abortion.

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Only human female fetus are women.
A woman is a female human, as is a human female fetus a female human. Therefore a human female fetus must be a woman.
And yet NOWHERE does this say, no matter how you twist it, that you have the right to kill a female fetus(woman) with an abortion.
A woman is a mature female.
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A woman is a mature female.
Just because your cow can give you milk does not mean its a woman.
A woman is a female human of any age.

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zef wrote:
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Only human female fetus are women.
A woman is a female human, as is a human female fetus a female human. Therefore a human female fetus must be a woman.
And yet NOWHERE does this say, no matter how you twist it, that you have the right to kill a female fetus(woman) with an abortion.
No fetus is a woman, not even a female one. Only an adult human female is a woman. And yes, I DO have the right to have an abortion. You are wrong. And insane.
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No fetus is a woman, not even a female one. Only an adult human female is a woman. And yes, I DO have the right to have an abortion. You are wrong. And insane.
You are a hatemongering ageist bigot. You don't have the right to kill anyone with anything, abortion or otherwise. A woman is a female human of any age.

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May 27, 2013
 
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It isn't possible for a woman to be pregnant with a woman. That would kill her (although, I'm beginning to suspect you would enjoy that).
Billions of women have given birth to daughters without being killed(although, I'm beginning to suspect you are an idiot).
People can't control what they enjoy, so how does it matter to you what they might enjoy?

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May 27, 2013
 
This had nothing whatsoever to do with your statement of you can use the word woman however you want.

You are really bad at this. I accept your surrender.
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May 27, 2013
 
The problem is you do not understand the words you are using. Perhaps take an ESL class?
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<quoted text>Billions of women have given birth to daughters without being killed(although, I'm beginning to suspect you are an idiot).
People can't control what they enjoy, so how does it matter to you what they might enjoy?
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May 27, 2013
 
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you can use the word woman however you want.
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Which doesn't mean I have to use words however you want. We do have the right to freedom of speech.

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They gave birth to full-grown daughters? I'd like to see that.
I never said anything about giving birth to adults. Which is impossible.

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No fetus is a woman, not even a female one. Only an adult human female is a woman. And yes, I DO have the right to have an abortion. You are wrong. And insane.
But you said you do not defend that right.

You just defended it again.

Why are pro-aborts such liars?

(It's a rhetorical question, so don't look even dumber by trying to answer it.)

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A woman is a mature female.
That excludes you.

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Bitner wrote:
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You left off "as distinguished from man" which is defined at an adult male.
Sure, you can lie all you like, but we don't have to debate as though your lies are true, and will continue to correct them every time you post them.
Just be glad nobody asked you if the difference was anatomical or physiological.

You get very confused on that.

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Point to one scientific paper that does this.
Darwinism:
Nature: 376 hits Science: 44 hits
PubMed: 193 hits

Neo-Darwinism:
Nature: 64 hits Science: 5 hits
PubMed: 22 hits

“I’m a Darwinist because I believe the only alternatives are Lamarckism or God neither of which does the job as an
explanatory principle.”(Richard Dawkins, in The Third Culture, J. Brockman, Ed., Simon and Schuster, 1995, pp. 75–
95.)
“A common argument used by anti-Darwinists involves the difficulty of explaining the origin of complex structures
by such a process.”(Richard H. Thornhill and David W. Ussery,“A Classification of Possible Routes of Darwinian
Evolution,” Journal of Theoretical Biology, 203:111-116, 2000.)
"The cultural polarization of America has been aggravated by attacks on religion from the 'new atheists,' writers
such as Richard Dawkins and Daniel Dennett, who are die-hard Darwinists." (Jerry Coyne,“Seeing and Believing,”
The New Republic, February 4, 2009.)
“When biologists talk of the ‘evolution wars’, they usually mean the ongoing battle for supremacy in American
schoolrooms between Darwinists and their creationist opponents.”(Trisha Gura,“Bones, molecules. or Both?,”
Nature, 406:230-233, July 20, 2000.)
“In his book The Language of God (Free Press, 2006), Collins discusses the ideas of Theodosius Dobzhansky, a
darwinist and the main architect of the modern synthetic theory of biological evolution.”(U. Kutschera, "Dogma,
not faith, is the barrier to scientific enquiry," Nature, 443:26, Sept. 7, 2006.)
“*T+he debate about evolution continues to assume the quality of an abstract and philosophical ‘dialogue of the
deaf’ between Creationists and Darwinists.”(James Shapiro,“A Third Way,” Boston Review, 1997.)
“In the ongoing controversy between Darwinists and Creationists, Darwinians usually maintain that their theory
obeys the following principle…”(Elliott Sober,“Why Methodological Naturalism?,” 2009.)
“The origin of complex biological systems is a classical topic in evolutionary biology and, probably, the principal
object of attacks of anti-darwinists of all ilk...”(Yuri I Wolf and Eugene V Koonin,“On the origin of the translation
system and the genetic code in the RNA world by means of natural selection, exaptation, and
subfunctionalization,” Biology Direct, Vol. 2:14, 2007.)
“I am afraid that, if our goal as evolutionary biologists is to avoid providing any grist for the ID mill, we should
simply claim that Darwin,‘in principle’, solved all the problems of the origin of biological complexity in his eye
story, and only minor details remain to be filled in. Actually, I think the position of some ultra-darwinists is pretty
close to that.”(Eugene V Koonin,“The Biological Big Bang model for the major transitions in evolution,” Biology
Direct, Vol. 2:21, 2007.)
“Comparative illustrations of vertebrate embryos by the leading nineteenth-century Darwinist Ernst Haeckel have
been both highly contested and canonical.... Haeckel, seeking to make comparative embryology central to a
Darwinist worldview..." (Nick Hopwood,“Pictures of Evolution and Charges of Fraud,” Isis, 97:260–301, 2006.)
“[E]ven his Darwinist comrade-in-arms, Carl Gegenbaur, began asserting the rights of comparative anatomy.”
(Nick Hopwood,“A history of normal plates, tables and stages in vertebrate embryology,” International Journal of
Developmental Biology, 51(1): 1–26, 2007.)
“The Italian anthropologist, psychologist and evolutionist Giuseppe Sergi (1841-1936) may be regarded in some
respects today as an ‘atypical’ Darwinist, but, almost paradoxically, he was considered a ‘champion’ of Darwinism
by colleagues and commentators of his own time.”(Volpone A.,“Giuseppe Sergi,‘champion’ of Darwinism?,”
Journal of Anthropological Sciences, 89:59-69, October 2010.)

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KittenKoder wrote:
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Point to one scientific paper that does this.
Will you never learn?

Darwinism:
Nature: 376 hits Science: 44 hits
PubMed: 193 hits

Neo-Darwinism:
Nature: 64 hits Science: 5 hits
PubMed: 22 hits

“I’m a Darwinist because I believe the only alternatives are Lamarckism or God neither of which does the job as an
explanatory principle.”(Richard Dawkins, in The Third Culture, J. Brockman, Ed., Simon and Schuster, 1995, pp. 75–
95.)
“A common argument used by anti-Darwinists involves the difficulty of explaining the origin of complex structures
by such a process.”(Richard H. Thornhill and David W. Ussery,“A Classification of Possible Routes of Darwinian
Evolution,” Journal of Theoretical Biology, 203:111-116, 2000.)
"The cultural polarization of America has been aggravated by attacks on religion from the 'new atheists,' writers
such as Richard Dawkins and Daniel Dennett, who are die-hard Darwinists." (Jerry Coyne,“Seeing and Believing,”
The New Republic, February 4, 2009.)
“When biologists talk of the ‘evolution wars’, they usually mean the ongoing battle for supremacy in American
schoolrooms between Darwinists and their creationist opponents.”(Trisha Gura,“Bones, molecules. or Both?,”
Nature, 406:230-233, July 20, 2000.)
“In his book The Language of God (Free Press, 2006), Collins discusses the ideas of Theodosius Dobzhansky, a
darwinist and the main architect of the modern synthetic theory of biological evolution.”(U. Kutschera, "Dogma,
not faith, is the barrier to scientific enquiry," Nature, 443:26, Sept. 7, 2006.)
“*T+he debate about evolution continues to assume the quality of an abstract and philosophical ‘dialogue of the
deaf’ between Creationists and Darwinists.”(James Shapiro,“A Third Way,” Boston Review, 1997.)
“In the ongoing controversy between Darwinists and Creationists, Darwinians usually maintain that their theory
obeys the following principle…”(Elliott Sober,“Why Methodological Naturalism?,” 2009.)
“The origin of complex biological systems is a classical topic in evolutionary biology and, probably, the principal
object of attacks of anti-darwinists of all ilk...”(Yuri I Wolf and Eugene V Koonin,“On the origin of the translation
system and the genetic code in the RNA world by means of natural selection, exaptation, and
subfunctionalization,” Biology Direct, Vol. 2:14, 2007.)
“I am afraid that, if our goal as evolutionary biologists is to avoid providing any grist for the ID mill, we should
simply claim that Darwin,‘in principle’, solved all the problems of the origin of biological complexity in his eye
story, and only minor details remain to be filled in. Actually, I think the position of some ultra-darwinists is pretty
close to that.”(Eugene V Koonin,“The Biological Big Bang model for the major transitions in evolution,” Biology
Direct, Vol. 2:21, 2007.)
“Comparative illustrations of vertebrate embryos by the leading nineteenth-century Darwinist Ernst Haeckel have
been both highly contested and canonical.... Haeckel, seeking to make comparative embryology central to a
Darwinist worldview..." (Nick Hopwood,“Pictures of Evolution and Charges of Fraud,” Isis, 97:260–301, 2006.)
“[E]ven his Darwinist comrade-in-arms, Carl Gegenbaur, began asserting the rights of comparative anatomy.”
(Nick Hopwood,“A history of normal plates, tables and stages in vertebrate embryology,” International Journal of
Developmental Biology, 51(1): 1–26, 2007.)
“The Italian anthropologist, psychologist and evolutionist Giuseppe Sergi (1841-1936) may be regarded in some
respects today as an ‘atypical’ Darwinist, but, almost paradoxically, he was considered a ‘champion’ of Darwinism
by colleagues and commentators of his own time.”(Volpone A.,“Giuseppe Sergi,‘champion’ of Darwinism?,”
Journal of Anthropological Sciences, 89:59-69, October 2010.)
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Then why do you keep referring to fetuses as women? Is English your second language, or are you just being obtuse?
I don't. And I didn't.
Only fetus that are human and female are women. All other fetus are not women, and I never said they were.

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You are a hatemongering ageist bigot. You don't have the right to kill anyone with anything, abortion or otherwise. A woman is a female human of any age.
woman
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Definition: female human
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Sorry, but the thesaurus doesn't prove me wrong. A woman IS a female human, and ADULT female human. Period.

And yes, I most certainly DO have the right to have an abortion.

You're insane. Get help soon.

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I don't. And I didn't.
Only fetus that are human and female are women. All other fetus are not women, and I never said they were.
No fetus is a woman, not even if it's human and female. A woman must also be an adult. Sorry, Whacko, but you're wrong.

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You do not get to make up your own half witted definitions for words. A woman is an adult female human.
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<quoted text>Which doesn't mean I have to use words however you want. We do have the right to freedom of speech
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May 28, 2013
 
I notice you left out number 2.

Damn you suck at this.
zef wrote:
<quoted text>Which doesn't mean I have to use words however you want. We do have the right to freedom of speech.

woman
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Definition: female human
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