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Richard Dawkins tweets on abortion: ‘any fetus is less human than an adult pig’

There are 1829 comments on the freerepublic.com story from Mar 16, 2013, titled Richard Dawkins tweets on abortion: ‘any fetus is less human than an adult pig’. In it, freerepublic.com reports that:

It would seem the pro-life movement has acquired an unlikely supporter. On Wednesday, Richard Dawkins, a vocal proponent of atheism and the author of The God Delusion, posted a provocative tweet about abortion: With respect to those meanings of "human" that are relevant to the morality of abortion, any fetus is less human than an adult pig.

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#1036 May 17, 2013
Bitner wrote:
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Sorry, but no. I am not a "pro-aborter". I am pro-choice. That means I support a woman's right to make her OWN choice regarding her uterus and pregnancy, based upon her own circumstances and moral code, regardless of the beliefs of others. They keyword there being CHOICE.
"MY OPTION"? Ridiculous. There are TWO options, and they are mine. They belong to the woman who is pregnant. It is her decision whether or not to remain pregnant, and it's not my business no matter what she decides.
What is a "pregnancy"?

I don't think I have ever seen one.

What does it look like?

I know what a woman looks like, generally, when she is pregnant, or carrying a child.

But what does a "pregnancy" itself look like?

Where could we find one?

Is a "pregnancy" an animal, vegetable, or mineral?

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#1037 May 17, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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Oh.
So the problem here is that you and Bitchner really, really, want to know whether the foramen ovale closing is an anatomical change.
But dang it! You just can't open the link!
Why are you pro-aborters such liars?
So ... you still haven't checked the link you posted. Thanks for giving us all a good laugh at your expense.

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#1038 May 17, 2013
Fatass posts a non working link. Anyone surprised?
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>You could have made that error initially from ignorance.

Now you know better.

You are a liar.

The Fetal Circulation
Peter John Murphy, MB ChB DA FRCA, Consultant in Paediatric Anaesthesia and Intensive Care

"The increase in pulmonary blood flow leads to a massive rise in pulmonary venous return to the LA. The decrease in IVC flow, described above, results in a fall in venous return to the RA. These two factors allow the pressures in the LA and RA to equalize. At this point the flap of the foramen ovale is pushed against the atrial septum and the atrial shunt is effectively closed. This initial closure of the foramen ovale occurs within minutes to hours of birth. ANATOMICAL CLOSURE OCCURS LATER via tissue proliferation."

Notice: "ANATOMICAL CLOSURE OCCURS LATER"

mcb.berkeley.edu/courses/mcb135e/fetal.html&a... ;

"Before birth the foramen ovale allows most of the oxygenated blood entering the ... and the foramen ovale is initially a functional change; later anatomic closure ..."

Notice "functional change". A functional change is a physiological change, not an anatomical change.

"Functional closure can be reversed during the immediate neonatal period; ...Anatomical fusion of the septum primum and secundum occurs by one year of age in 80% of the population."

You should have lost with dignity.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#1040 May 17, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Fatass posts a non working link. Anyone surprised?
<quoted text>
What's really funny is that he has not even checked to make sure he posted it correctly and claims the link works. lol

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

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#1041 May 17, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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What is a "pregnancy"?
I don't think I have ever seen one.
What does it look like?
I know what a woman looks like, generally, when she is pregnant, or carrying a child.
But what does a "pregnancy" itself look like?
Where could we find one?
Is a "pregnancy" an animal, vegetable, or mineral?
Well, damn, aren't you dumb for someone who claims to have taught A&P at "the university level"?

It's the condition of being pregnant. And for the pregnant woman, it's her own. As in the doctor asking her "Is this your first pregnancy?"

You're a moron.
zef

Los Angeles, CA

#1042 May 17, 2013
Morgana 9 wrote:
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If you have been looking for a hit of acid....ask Zef it probably will take mail orders.
Actually, I build passenger jets. I'm sure some of them will get you to where you want be. Although most of them are probably only good for demolishing skyscrapers.

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#1043 May 17, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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What is a "pregnancy"?
I don't think I have ever seen one.
Why are you talking?

Honestly, you big fat creationist joke you.
zef

Los Angeles, CA

#1044 May 17, 2013
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>Well that made absolutely no sense, maybe you should repeat it endlessly. Just think how many times you might be asked ....... "How long did it take until you began to understand that the candle's flame was actual fire?". LOL!
Considering it was the point you thought you could make, we will all just know it took you a great while.
I have always understood that female human fetus and female human embryo are women. With the same rights as any other woman of any other size.

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#1045 May 17, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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What's really funny is that he has not even checked to make sure he posted it correctly and claims the link works. lol
It doesn't matter if you present buck with facts like: "your link doesn't work"

The man denies facts and reality for a living.
Lincoln

United States

#1046 May 17, 2013
No candidate running for President of the United States is going to invite Richard Dawkins to a rally or ask for his support!
bohart

White Pine, TN

#1047 May 17, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
No candidate running for President of the United States is going to invite Richard Dawkins to a rally or ask for his support!
No one wants the support of the leader of a wacko 2 percent cult.

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#1048 May 17, 2013
How could you know that? Actually several Atheist leaders have been invited and held seats of honor at Obama events. David Silverman for example was at several.

It's okay we are used to your ignorance and horrible English. We just laugh at you.

See here is a link from your own right wing pundits, people you agree with.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/332416/r...
Lincoln wrote:
No candidate running for President of the United States is going to invite Richard Dawkins to a rally or ask for his support!

Morgana 9

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#1049 May 17, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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You did everything but answer the question. Congratulations.
Those "burdens" you speak of, by your principle, are a "choice".
Why should some other person be obligated financially for your personal "choice"?
The answer to your question is yeah...he pays, just as she does.

The burdens I speak of is a medical condition. The burden you speak of is "money". The woman takes on far more of the burden than the male. What a pansy ass you are.

YOUR real concern is your wallet. But carry on as though your care deeply for the unborn......and we will laugh at your feeble attempt.

Since: May 10

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#1050 May 17, 2013
Bitner wrote:
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Well, damn, aren't you dumb for someone who claims to have taught A&P at "the university level"?
It's the condition of being pregnant. And for the pregnant woman, it's her own. As in the doctor asking her "Is this your first pregnancy?"
You're a moron.
Ohhhhh,...I get it now. It is a "condition".

I see. Sorry I was so slow.

It's like a case of "mumps".

When your mumps end, it's just like ending a "pregnancy", as it just goes away. No fuss, no muss.

Tell me. Is there anything else, anything else at all, that "ends" when a "pregnancy" is ended?

Anything?

If so, why would someone insist that what is happening is simply the end of a condition, and further insist on only speaking of the event in those terms?

Before you answer, be aware I already know the answer.

Oh,...and by the way. Sometimes the doctor says "Is this your first "baby"?

Morgana 9

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#1051 May 17, 2013
Bitner wrote:
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Well, damn, aren't you dumb for someone who claims to have taught A&P at "the university level"?
Was this teaching position before, after, or during his prison term?

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#1052 May 17, 2013
zef wrote:
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I have always understood that female human fetus and female human embryo are women. With the same rights as any other woman of any other size.
What happens to the unborn human female's reproductive rights?

What the pro-aborters are telling this unique female individual is "NO. You can never have a right to choice! I can, but you can't!"

The pro-abort movement has caused more loss of reproductive rights than any pro-life organization in the world.

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#1053 May 17, 2013
Morgana 9 wrote:
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The answer to your question is yeah...he pays, just as she does.
The burdens I speak of is a medical condition. The burden you speak of is "money". The woman takes on far more of the burden than the male. What a pansy ass you are.
YOUR real concern is your wallet. But carry on as though your care deeply for the unborn......and we will laugh at your feeble attempt.
You still did not answer.

You simply made the assertion "he pays".

Your argument is further incoherent. On one hand, you claim the decision is the woman's, and she can relieve herself of such a burden, and it is her right.

On the other hand, you claim the man is obligated because she has to bear that burden.

Which is it?

Is it HER choice? Or, is she required to bear it?

No? Then why is the man?

Morgana 9

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#1054 May 17, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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You still did not answer.
You simply made the assertion "he pays".
Your argument is further incoherent. On one hand, you claim the decision is the woman's, and she can relieve herself of such a burden, and it is her right.
On the other hand, you claim the man is obligated because she has to bear that burden.
Which is it?
Is it HER choice? Or, is she required to bear it?
No? Then why is the man?
It is her choice....and he pays.

But don't worry MANY of your brothers don't pay....even when they leave a marriage and leave the kids behind. Apparently these men decide later they don't want children.

Now what?

Morgana 9

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#1055 May 17, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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What happens to the unborn human female's reproductive rights?
What the pro-aborters are telling this unique female individual is "NO. You can never have a right to choice! I can, but you can't!"
The pro-abort movement has caused more loss of reproductive rights than any pro-life organization in the world.
What do you care? Your only concern is money.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#1056 May 17, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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Ohhhhh,...I get it now. It is a "condition".
I see. Sorry I was so slow.
It's like a case of "mumps".
When your mumps end, it's just like ending a "pregnancy", as it just goes away. No fuss, no muss.
Tell me. Is there anything else, anything else at all, that "ends" when a "pregnancy" is ended?
Anything?
If so, why would someone insist that what is happening is simply the end of a condition, and further insist on only speaking of the event in those terms?
Before you answer, be aware I already know the answer.
Oh,...and by the way. Sometimes the doctor says "Is this your first "baby"?
I've never heard one say that, and I've had three pregnancies, three different OBs. I also work with OBs and midwives. Believe it or not, unless they can tell they have someone who will freak out over the proper terms, they tend to use them.

Yes, a pregnancy is a condition. Feel free to look it up in this wonderful new invention called a dictionary.

"no fuss, no muss", huh? Obviously you've never spoken to a woman who has given birth.

"Tell me. Is there anything else, anything else at all, that "ends" when a "pregnancy" is ended?"

What are you babbling about?

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